Mini 1374 - Steam Library Madness Mafia - NOT RESPONDING

[Phillammon]

Would you kindly avoid voting me altogether unless there are enough pseudovotes saying they want a lynch to actually lynch me? If I get voted but not lynched, bad things happen.

With that miniclaim aside, VOTE: ChaosOmega because I'm Chaotic Neutral, and thus do what I want.

See what I did there?

[Phillammon]

Yah. In relation to that, I'd like to ask that anyone wanting to vote me just says "PVote: Phillammon" or something like that. I'll happily keep track of them and post them when VCs go up, if we like. If PVotes hit lynch levels, I'm absolutely happy to have the full complement of real votes put on.

Anyway, Hi!

[Phillammon]

Notes:
- so Phil is bioshock I guess.

No I'm not, I just figured that I might as well take advantage in it *if* bioshock is in this game.

[Phillammon]

I'm going to do a little looking around, but having looked at timeater's wiki page, I'm suspicious of the borderline ad hominem going on.

I said borderline, before he calls me out on it. For reference, I'm 16 too, and younger than him, so I'm moderately insulted to on that count.

[Phillammon]

*too. Darnit.

[Phillammon]

지금은 포스트 한계가 있습니다. 아마도.

죄송합니다.

[Phillammon]

농담인지는 모르겠지만. 그 위험을 감수하지 않을.

[Phillammon]

모르겠어요. 난 위험 않을거야.

나는 오해했을 수 있습니다.

[Phillammon]

나는 안전 할 지금 게시를 중지 할. 나는 모드를 점검 할 필요가 있습니다.

[Phillammon]

후자.

문장 하나에 단어 순서가 잘못된 것입니다.

[Phillammon]

또한 개 수면 없습니다.

카니 예, 지금은 떨어져 그 투표를.

[Phillammon]

i donot believe that you have a pr where you have to speak in korean. sorry bud. also i forgot about your request 2 not get voted but it seems a little l8 for that.

내 게시물을 읽을 수 있습니다.

본인은 제한이있는 경우 확실하지 않은,하지만 난 그게 안전 놀고있는거야.

내 요청에 대한로서 최선을 나는 영구적으로 미움으로 설명 할 수있다.

[Phillammon]

Confirmed with the moderator, turns out I had indeed misinterpreted it. Let's all stop now.

I'll do a full intended post translation later, when I have more town. For now, I'm sort of permanently hated. It is recommended against voting for me so that I don't... well, die. My apologies for everything.

[Phillammon]

VOTE: phil

I apologize for what follows, as it must appear like an omgus. However, from my point of view, voting for me directly after I explained my problem is a scumtell. Hence, VOTE: KCDA

As for "about what", I'm not explaining, because that actually would be grounds for a modkill.

PEdit: Okay. The miller claim. I think I have an inkling of what is going on with it, and some possible explanations, hence, I'm happy to accept it for now.

[Phillammon]

Kanye: PVote me or don't vote me at all, but DON'T FREAKING UNVOTE. That would make things even worse later. I'll explain at a later date.

For now, I still reckon that monkey is town purely on instinct at this point. Also because Timeater's explanation of what is scum and what isn't handily includes the example scum fakeclaim as a definite scum role. As for towny but non-steam games, give the following a thought (although I'm struggling to come up with a flavour explanation for this particular one): Minecraft. Mojang and Valve are on friendly terms- in fact, both have outright advertised each others' games. There was briefly discussion of minecraft coming to steam, and based on some more recent tweets from Notch, there may be further discussion of it going on behind the scenes. As such, I'd say that Minecraft, as an example alone, would be aligned with steam, even if it weren't a steam game itself.

ChaosOmega and Timeater are horrible, and I like Timeater less at the moment just because he's being vocal as well as... well, the best description I could give is tunnel-visioned, to be honest. It's not what I mean, but it's as close as I can get.

PEdit: No post restriction. That's been clarified now. As for the permanently hated bit, please avoid repeatedly voting me. Or, say, even listen to my first post of the entire game...

[Phillammon]

Alright then. I have hit points. They are not called that, but I don't want to give away my game yet. They go down when I am voted for. I am so far down 3, two from you and one from KCAD. If these hit 0, I die.

Now stop voting for me, and use FOS or PVotes, please.

[Phillammon]

@Phillamon: What part of hating on you takes away your points, voting you or attacking you in general? And when you thought you had a post restriction, were you given it at the beginning of the game? If not, how did you get it?

Hated townie is a role that means you get lynched more easily. It's similar to what I have. Voting me reduces points, so I'm sort of modified hated in that aspect of my role.

I didn't have a PR at the start of the game, but if I explain any more, I would be subject to a modkill. So I'm not going to.

[Phillammon]

I didn't have a PR at the start of the game, but if I explain any more, I would be subject to a modkill. So I'm not going to.

Okay, apparently I wouldn't be subject to a modkill. There was a conversation I was having about my hit points aspect in which a [Dead giveaway to my game] mode was mentioned. I reckoned that I could still have stayed alive with this mode on, so my response to this was challenge accepted. The moderator's response to this was to send me a message in korean that paraphrased meant my hitpoints have been greatly reduced and all of my future posts had to be in korean. True to form, I have only been able to communicate in korean from that point onwards with him, but the translation of posts would have apparently been more accurate as PMs. My hitpoints were apparently not reduced greatly from what I can tell, but I only found that out *AFTER* I'd confirmed that there was no new post restriction.

[Phillammon]

I'm starting to think those attacking people for having strange roles are more suspicious.

Agreed. WRM taught me that one.

[Phillammon]

town steam games = relatively new good games

scum steam games = old pieces of shit like Kings of the Beach, Dwarfs, Lemmings!

Just something to point out: When you say that Dwarfs is an obvious scum role, you're aware that that was given as a fakeclaim in the example and is thus... well, townie?

As for Kings of the Beach and Lemmings, they are both not on steam at all, so you can't pull it that direction either.

Let's ignore flavour for now and actually work on scumhunting. I believe that monkeyman is town, so I'm going to continue hunting. Simple as that.

[Phillammon]

Robo is right, he isn't raging at all. His posts are bad, but not ragy nor scummy.

To me, they look scummy, but I can't place why, so I'm not gonna complain.

[Phillammon]

I was actually thinking, from the flavour that's been written alone, we have no guarantee that non-steam games are the enemy, or that steam games themselves are safe. I'm willing to bet that there's at least one version of lemmings somewhere on steam, and moreover I'm willing to bet that scum trying for an easy lynch would tout timeater's point 3 as loudly as possible.

Not unrelated, I think I've worked out what I didn't like about timeater's point 3.

[Phillammon]

I note that all of timeater's parting scumreads are as close to OMGUS as makes no odds.

In other wrods, what ThAd said.

[Phillammon]

I would be willing to lynch timeater's slot or ChaosOmegas at this point. I believe that would be L-1, so correct me if I'm wrong, but if so, it's claim time, CO.

[Phillammon]

So you're accusing Katsuki of lying as town.

I'm going to stick with Katsuki, and go for a Katsuki lynch if he's lying, because he deserves it.

I'm still open to lynching Chaos or Timeater though.

I was basically going to say everything monkey says here.

So QFT, I guess.

[Phillammon]

I would like to extend my intent to vote to cover Robocopter as well, and for the record, I don't believe kat. In fact, I reckon that a kat lynch may well be favourable. A one for one trade is good going, if kat's telling the truth, and if kat's lying, we hit scum.

[Phillammon]

Intent to hammer soon.

[Phillammon]

Allow me. VOTE: ChaosOmega

Rot in the firey pits of Origin from whence you came, scumbag.

[Phillammon]

Nobody cast a vote until I have tomorrow and I can prove myself to be non-scum. That is all.

[Phillammon]

yah, you are.tim was obv as fuck congrats on ur townslot

I take it all back. Lynching kanye at this point would be very informative indeed.

[Phillammon]

yah, you are.tim was obv as fuck congrats on ur townslot

I take it all back. Lynching kanye at this point would be very informative indeed.

what would you expect lynching me to tell you?

One, whether katsu is lying, Two, whether tim is your buddy, or you're just a VI. I guess the two are related.

Reaction fishing with what? My claim?

[Phillammon]

1)kats already admitted to lying. 2) u think i would buddy a scumbuddy that blatantly ? get real kid.

reaction fishing from chaos

1) My apologies, I missed that.
2) To be honest, yes, yes I did, given that what's happened here appears to be 2 groups forming up around the whole timeater issue, and being in either group could equally be thought of as buddying.

No, I wasn't reaction fishing, I thought I was hammering. And I'm yet to see anything that really makes me think that would have been the wrong course of action yet. The portal reference I'll admit that I only noticed after the hammer, but I'm not convinced that it would be here for my own reasons.

[Phillammon]

so you honestly believed he was hammered?

Yes, yes I did.

Why is everyone ignoring Tim, I agree with everything he says

I mean, it's possible because we're League of Legends(lyncher) and Monkey is Dota 2(lynchee) but srs guys. Srs. Wtf.

...

Either you're bluffing, in which case please stop, or I want answers from both of you immediately. Please elaborate on which, and CLEARLY.I haven't been able to pay as much attention as I would like lately.


PEdit: THAT ONLY RAISES FURTHER QUESTIONS!

[Phillammon]

Because there is no reason that Monkey has provided that they should be aligned with the town. It's like someone saying "I'm Darth Maul, so I appear aligned with the Dark Side, but I'm actually part of the Good Side."

...

What question are you answering?

[Phillammon]

Nobody cast a vote until I have tomorrow and I can prove myself to be non-scum. That is all.

PRetty sure you knew he wasnt really hammered bro. so why are you lying about it now?

...what?

Even were I lying, this would not be a quote that has any relation whatsoever to my hammer...

[Phillammon]

Nobody cast a vote until I have tomorrow and I can prove myself to be non-scum. That is all.

PRetty sure you knew he wasnt really hammered bro. so why are you lying about it now?

...what?

Even were I lying, this would not be a quote that has any relation whatsoever to my hammer...

why would you be wary of more votes if you had already placed the hammer ?

No, that's not what I was saying. What I was saying there is related to another part of my role, and means exactly what I said. Tomorrow (As in, Day 2), do not place any votes until I have placed a vote. At that point, I can make it blindingly obvious that I have a town role.

[Phillammon]

It was just a guess, but if anything is gonna be the enemy of steam, it's gonna be one of xbox live, origin, or the playstation network, or something similar to that. I'm going to quickly go and check to see how valve feels about good old games, to see how I feel about monkey's newest piece of claimage.

[Phillammon]

Flavour clearly doesn't fucking matter because if Monkey is telling the truth then Non-Steam Games are aligned with Steam Games for no fucking reason.

I no longer have any flavour-related qualms about lynching monkey.

Kings of the beach is not on Good Old Games, which sorta invalidates that claim.

[Phillammon]

No, it's fine. Day 1 was just being run on Valve time.

I no longer have any flavour-related qualms about lynching monkey.

Kings of the beach is not on Good Old Games, which sorta invalidates that claim.

It doesn't invalidate that claim. It could just be a good game that is old and not on an arbitrary website. But regardless, you don't have any flavor-related qualms about lynching MonkeyMan576. Do you have any qualms at all about it? Also, can you link me to a completed game where you were scum?

I do indeed have some non-flavour qualms about lynching Monkey.

As for completed scum games, I keep my wiki page as up to date as possible, any specific kind of scum game you want?

[Phillammon]

VOTE: KCDA

[Phillammon]

UNVOTE: KCDA

Thank you very much for remembering not to vote. I can now prove that my role is town, because I am a doublevoter now. This should be sufficient of itself, but I'm happy to do a full claim now if necessary.

[Phillammon]

And that's the other thing. Dropping votes on me randomly now is even worse than it was yesterday. Thanks for reminding me.

Now try reading what I actually said.

PEdit: Please, do explain how it's possible to balance a scum doublevoter.

[Phillammon]

Because I was trying to get my bearings again, and because I'm not entirely convinced that CO and MM being town are mutually exclusive situations, but since this is going nowhere fast:
VOTE: Monkey
VOTE: Monkey

[Phillammon]

He didn't 2x vote on anyone.

the ninja says otherwise. Good man for voting scum.

Beg pardon?

[Phillammon]

Oh joy. Welp, looks like you guys voted ahead of me without me noticing.

I did ask...

[Phillammon]

Oh joy. Welp, looks like you guys voted ahead of me without me noticing.

I did ask...

As I appear to need to spell it out:

I get two votes if I'm first to vote in a day. That is my condition.

I asked for you guys to wait. I was ignored.

[Phillammon]

VOTE: Cooldog

[Phillammon]

UNVOTE: Cooldog

Right, let's see if I missed anything *this* time around...

[Phillammon]

Not an improvement on the slot as a whole, and I'm still inclined to believe it's a scumslot.

[Phillammon]

I'm going to express an intent to hammer here, but I won't drop it if there's more discussion. This is a "things are stagnating and I can end the day if need be" thing.

[Phillammon]

Look at the votecount carefully.

[Phillammon]

Hammer dropping in 1 hour unless there are further claims and/or objections.

[Phillammon]

Fair enough. VOTE: Shamrock (JUST THE ONE VOTE)

If you'd be so kind?

[Phillammon]

Wait we just hammered someone right when TA was starting to question me? This town fucking deserves to lose.

1st, no, read properly. Second, care to explain the latter part of your comment?

[Phillammon]

I have made my arguments against your slot already. Even if you haven't made things much worse, you certainly haven't improved my stance on it.

[Phillammon]

20 and 164 are major ones off hand, especially given the intense tunneling on no less than two people for claiming important role features early on, followed directly by Molla's imediate terrible posting, leading off with "I'm town" and soon and so forth. The fact that the slot was replaced out of twice while under heavy fire from the "pro-monkey" side of the game doesn't help in the slightest, and, to be honest, the personal attacks being used by timeater are AtE in reverse, almost.

Happy?

[Phillammon]

For reference, today I do not have a doublevote. I'm also going to need to check things out, but I'm being yelled at in multiple games for lack of activity, so I'm probably going to put this on the back burner.

[Phillammon]

I'm happy to start, given about two thirds of my role is already out there, if no-one else wants to start.

[Phillammon]

Okay then.

I am Crysis, Jack of all trades.

Each night, I may select one of three abilities.
Improved Armour: Take less damage from being voted during the day
Improved Speed: Conditional Doublevote
Cloak: Conditional Commute

Popcorn to Cooldog.

[Phillammon]

Name, Hindu? And flavour justification?

[Phillammon]

I'm probably not going to have much useful to say until the popcorn is done, so prod-dodging.

[Phillammon]

PV: Are you by any chance X-Shot?

[Phillammon]

I have been continuing discussing. Also, I think you need to recount.

[Phillammon]

Similarly. I think I know which 3 players I think are scum, and I'm going to assume that there are 3 scum until further notice.

[Phillammon]

Oh, okay. VOTE: Cooldog if I'm not already.

[Phillammon]

UNVOTE:

Sorry nuts forgot.

[Phillammon]

Forgot that this is LyLo, so voting impulsively is a BAD idea

More usefully, My thoughts on the scumteam are as follows:
Katsuki, Cooldog, [Peregrine or Konowa]

[Phillammon]

@Phil-can you elaborate on your abilities? you can use one at a time, but may use them more than once? How do you "reduce damage" from a vote? What conditions are the conditionals?

I can indeed use the more than once, but not on successive nights. Reduced damage from votes has already been explained, and elaborating any further would be an excellent way to lose the game outright. The conditions are already known for the doublevote (first vote of the day), and there is no way I'm revealing what the condition for my commute is.

[Phillammon]

This is not related to a night ability, and it is VERY relevant. I have an amount of armour, and every time I get voted, I take damage to that armour (less damage per vote if I have armour boost on). If my armour hits 0, I die, and hence it would be game over. Related, we need to lynch scum IMMEDIATELY now that I've said that, because if scum get their act together they can force a death on me, and that will continue to be the case for the rest of the game unless a kill is avoided.

Congrats on that, but now we need to work fast. VOTE: Cooldog

[Phillammon]

Well played scum. ESPECIALLY Thad.

[Phillammon]

True. Still, LyLo is a performance for one...

[Phillammon]

I have to admit, timeater really wrecked my perception of this game due to the rift between players. Cooldog's obviously fabricated fakeclaim didn't help.

So it annoys me that it wasn't fake.

[Phillammon]

I'll admit that that was the highlight of this game for me. Even though it did nearly cause the mass replacement request of a vast majority of the game.

Also, Kanye, if Timeater were genuinely obvtown and not repeatedly attacking townies, then I probably wouldn't have voted for him. His playstyle was but one facet.

[Phillammon]

My apologies, cooldog. I think I need to tweak my scumdar, in response to recent games.

Or possibly just take the reverse of whatever it says, which looks to be accurate...

[Phillammon]

While I'm here, may as well do a shameless plug for Buckshot Mafia. It involves shotguns! Come get you a slot!

On a more on-topic note, great game, great modding. I apologize wholeheartedly for the issue with realistic mode, google translate was not my best friend for the joke message...