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In post 30, shos wrote:Got something against jews?!?! *is one*
lol this game is going to be hilarious I hope - that CAH thingie is SO morally wrong.
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In post 49, BloodCovenent wrote:Roleclaim:Hated townie.
-I require one less vote to be lynched.
Just a warning. Discuss.
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Claiming hated townie right off the bat seems odd. I thought it was just a joke at first or reaction fishing but Blood is sticking to his claim. I don't think scum would do this right off the bat knowing that such a move would attract a lot of attention. Unfortunately there's no way to know for sure beyond testing it, which unless Blood does something truly scummy I don't think is a good idea.
DaJudge doing a fake daykill on the claimed Hated Townie is also very weird. Very opportunistic reaction fishing, considering he's already claimed to of found scum in Klazam which reads to me more like OMGUS against Klazam's vote rather than actual confidence in his read.-
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In post 116, adorkable wrote:
what about eating the noose today and saving us a lot of trouble
How about you answer a question when it's directed at you instead of being dodgy.
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judge wrote:
HOS: smashbard
He is now my No.2 suspect. just because of this post Also I'll do a full on case of Klazam later.
You know what I do with hands of suspicion? I wipe my ass with them. Vote for me if you think I’m scum.
Klazam is town. So I’ll just let you know right off the bat any “case” you have will be instantly disregarded by me.
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okay first off, I bet you can't even give three examples of a hydra that does this with any regularity, so you're talking out of your ass.
Well I have one example, you. That’s all I care about.
Second of all, I've posted twice so that arrogant spammy playstyle you're talking about? Yeah, that's not us being a hydra, that's just Pie.
Sorry, you don’t get a free pass from me to blame any antitown behavior you exhibit on different heads. The adorkable player slot has posted a lot, I don’ give a fuck if you personally have only posted twice. You don’t make it clear who is posting when, so go cry me a river if you don’t want to be painted antitown because of the actions of your other heads.
Third off, I can understand why you might "dislike" the playstyle but the way you word this comes across as incredibly disingenuous and scummy. You don't even want a lynch on us because you think we're scummy, you want a lynch on us because you have a playstyle beef with one head of the hydra.
Uhm…yeah. I ‘ve said as much. My vote on you is not because you are scummy. Nor do I think you’re scum. But you’re an antitown distraction, and your player slot as a whole has openly admitted to spamming, so you’re essentially doing zero for the town at this point but being a distraction.
As the more... reasonable (sorry babe) head of the hydra, I feel the need to clarify further the whole "stop getting on BC's case" thing. Think about it -- BC claimed something that means he has to die before LYLO. Regardless of whether or not him claiming was a pro-town or anti-town move (yeah, it was kinda anti-town but meh), this is not something scum would do. Scum wants to stay alive -- they would not in a million years claim something that means they HAVE to die. That makes no fucking sense and anyone still thinking he's scum is a fucking idiot. Offense intended.
Hey look we agree!
btw shos you can suck it regarding us posting which head is which with every post, I think that should be fairly obvious even if we don't say anything. I write in paragraphs and know how to use a shift key, for one thing. Aaaaaaand care to explain why you're getting on our case about being a hydra and not GARRRARARRAR or whatever the name is? They haven't even revealed who their heads are. Double standard much? Sounds to me like you're just trying to poison the well because we're on to your scummy ass.
Well I’m telling you right now it’s NOT obvious. This is the kind of hydra arrogance I’m talking about. You don’t feel the need to be helpful to town and reveal who is speaking when because you feel it’s “obvious” and anyone who can’t tell the difference is just “not good enough” to understand your almighty hydra meta.
which is a good reason why shos is scum because he keeps pushing the issue and has a thing for flip-flopping in his posts about BC's alignment. And no, I'm not quoting examples because I'm assuming everyone who signed up for this game learned at least a modicum of reading comprehension in grade school. I hope.
Let’s all clap for the totally unhelpful hydra! Yaaay!
molmond wrote:It's my opinion that we should wait to see if we have a vig before lynching BC, I don't see why shos thinks it would be a good idea to do this today.
Other than that adorkable does seem to make a lot of sense, though I find the way they post can be annoying. Right now I have a town read on adorkable, and I think it's likely that BC is scum for the reasons adorkable brought out..
Shos really isn't looking too good right now though. I'm thinking he might be scum. He went on way too long about BC not claiming his card, which isn't important, and seems to be OMGUSing anyone who puts suspicion on him.
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VOTE: shos
@shos: what makes you think xis is scum?
What….adorkable just went on a huge rant about how there is no way in hell that BC can possibly scum never ever…and here you are saying you think BC could be scum for adorkables stated reasons???
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For all you guys ragging on shos about reading comprehension, this is just straight up not paying attention.-
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In post 222, inte wrote:the game has 12 players
your neighborhood has 4
that is 1/3 of the players in the game
its quite plausible that half your neighborhood is scum
:'(...I have been thinking, and I know this is just wifomy baseless thinking, but I was thinking at first that maybe there could of been one of us who was a secret traitor role, you know one of those kinds of roles that only becomes mafia after certain conditions are met...
Does anybody know if this is a bastard game? Because I originally thought there was 16 players, but now that I know there's only 12, and there's a 4 person neighborhood, what if all 4 of us are just secret mafia without a kill, just to fuck with everyone?
You probably don't want to answer that, it serves no purpose other than to distract the game to wifom about the purpose of the neighborhood. I'm gonna do a reread just to get a better idea as to whos action I think are scummy or not so far.-
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GARAR Post #238 is where he guessed the neighborhood. I guess you'll have to explain to me how this is bad for town that I admitted it. Unless some of you guys were lucky enough to be Neighbors WITH additional power roles, because I know I wasn't given one.
I've already stated that I'm willing to take a NK bullet to distract from the mafia wanting to take a chance and risk killing someone else who isn't a confirmed town. So I don't see how it's pro-town for any of my neighbors to want to stay hidden at this point. We've almost got the Mafia on lock because
1) They have to make a tough choice now. Leave a bunch of confirmed townies alive and risk getting outed due to process of elimination the later the game goes on.
or 2) Kill us off one by one, leaving possibly more powerful town roles alive to out them in the night through investigations, protections and any number of other things the Mafia is forced to ignore as they deal with the Neighborhood.
Being outed Day 1 also has the advantage that if there IS scum amongst the Neighbors, he can't just weasel his way to the Mafia QT night 1 and tell his scumbuddies who the other neighbors are and who to target, while the rest of the town remains oblivious.
Now I do have Kdowns as listed as possible scum, but I am also being mindful that now that the Mafia knows who we all are, they are going to hope to go for a clean sweep here. They want to paint one of us as being scum, get them lynched, kill the second neighbor in the night, and then try to make a case that since we haven't hit Scum yet, one of the two remaining neighbors just HAS to be scum, mislynch another, leaving either the last Neighbor as collaborating scum or if we're all somehow town, they just kill off the last of us in Night 2.
This is a strategy I am keeping an eye out for. But I also maintain that it has it's advantages. If the Mafia is getting all tied up trying to kill off the Neighbors as soon as possible, that'll leave two night phases for any other town power roles to help out the Mafia while they are preoccupied by us.
I see no shame in being a sacrificial lamb if it means securing an inevitable town victory. You should all feel the same and scumhunt while you can to be as helpful as possible. We're on borrowed time, and there's no going back now.-
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In post 294, shos wrote:@BC: sorry and stuff ><
@smash: well I'm not sure it is bad for town sincfe welel, if there's a scum then the scumteam already knows who we were, and so exposing us only gives extra info for town. but generally, it is something we cant' take back, so doing it without prompt or without discussing the idea was reckless..
did you just fully roleclaimed in that first line? why did you do that? and are you rolefishing US? :\ I'm gonna have to look at klick's reasons for youtown again later >__>
do not err, you are not a conftown.
do not err, we are not confirmed townies.
that post is just bad imo.
Well if you like we can lynch you to start confirming some neighbors if my post was so useless.-
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You'll have to send me a PM after the game to explain to me what all these are that can be done that I didn't already cover in my wall. I only talked about the Neighborhood because GARAR already guessed us due to Shos slip and Klick revealing that him and I were neighbors. To ignore GARAR's post entirely would of been very suspicious in my mind of the neighborhood. I already made my motivations clear in the QT and in this game. I want to confirm as many townies as possible to help narrow down the scum.
Is it a reckless newb mistake? Sure, I'll admit that. But I still maintain that the scum now has to think VERY hard as to how they are going to proceed.-
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Vote: DaJudge
For the time being I'm going to believe the Klazam player slot that he picked up a crazy town role. I'd normally like to believe that DaJudges daykill gambit was a protown one to gain reactions, but he drew conclusions way too fast about Klazam and is still stuck on that incident. I really don't see how much of a case can be built on Klazam that it's taken several days to accumulate. So I'm thinking DaJudge is just scum who was looking for a quick string up and failed.-
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There really is no expandable reason as to why I'm voting DaJudge. I just don't trust the way he went about his gambit. He drew conclusions too early, and still, with a mere day or so away from the deadline, hasn't said anything convincing in regards to this promised Klazam case.
The reason why I haven't joined either of the three other proposed wagons are thus:
1) I want to believe the Klazam slot claim being A Mother Effin' Sorcerer has something to do with being an awesome ability for town to hold onto, so I don't want to risk losing that player slot before it's had a chance to do some good. Not to mention the logic behind his wagon is like...non existent.
2) I don't share the feelings that Shos is scummy for wanting Bloodcovenant dead. The BC slot literally can do us no good, and hasn't really aided in the finding of any scum beyond being one of many players screaming "Stop trying to lynch the hated townie". Which has distracted us for many pages of debate.
3) Kdowns I can only support for policy reasons, as the slot hasn't done anything. Literally, anything for anybody scum or town. But I am hesitant wanting to lynch either of my Neighbors at this point because like I pointed out earlier, this is probably what the scumteam wants. Lynch Kdowns on Policy, probably kill me, Klick or Shos in the night, and then Day 2 turns into a pissing contest between the last two surviving Neighbors to convince the town which one of them should be lynched, and voila, scum gets rid of the Neighborhood. Getting a free pass for the mislynches because "We had to figure out which one was the scum, so we killed them all."-
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I'm gonna do some hypothetical number crunching for my own benefit. Feel free to ignore this post. Let's say there's 3 scum, for no other reason than because it makes mathematical sense with 12 players.
We lynch Kdowns, night phase results in another Neighbor being shot.
Day 2, 10 players, 3 scum. We lynch the wrong neighbor, somebody else dies.
Day 3, 8 players, 3 scum. Town HAS to lynch the last neighbor, as it's gotta be scum. Somebody dies in the night.
Day 4, 6 players, 2 scum (theoretically). We're in lylo. If we don't get all 4 remaining town players to convincingly come together to lynch second scum, we lose. All because we were so obsessed with getting the Neighborhood outed.
Now of course, all of this gets avoided if we lynch the correct neighbor the first time around. But if we don't this above scenario is basically guaranteed to happen.
So basically what I'm saying is, I'm scared shitless as to who to vote for. Because I believe Klazams claim. And if I guess wrong between Kdowns and Shos, I screw the town over completely by forcing us to get tied up in Neighbor drama until lylo.-
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Unvote.Vote: Kdowns
If the latest vote count is correct with the most recent votes afterwards, Kdowns is at L-1.
I thought long and hard about this. Ultimately, Klick and Kdowns are being low activity neighbors. I have bad feelings about Shos, but at the end of the day I agree with him that keeping the hated townie alive is going to bring us nothing but trouble, so I feel like his opposition to BC is town motivated.
I'm worried that Kdowns may have just flaked this game, as at least scum would of said SOMETHING, ANYTHING in their defense this close to deadline/lynch. But lynching him will have a 25% chance of catching scum, which is greater odds than any non-neighbor lynch.-
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You guys sure are 100% positive that we have a Vigilante in a 12 player game that already has 4 neighbors, a hated townie and a claimed "Mother Effin' Sorcerer"that claims to be able to break the game for confirmed roles, based on zero evidence or indication from the set up. I know it's a role heavy set up but geez, what are you gonna do when Day 2 roles around and BC is still alive? Start cursing out the imaginary Vig for not doing his imaginary job?-
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In post 394, Nite Sky wrote:Smash jumps out as obv town to me, both in the QT and this thread. Between shos/Klick, I'd rather lynch shos. He's shown a clear pro-scum agenda with directing the vig onto BC.
There's absolutely no need to kill BC prior to day-before-LyLo.
How do we know what the day before Lylo is if we don't know how many scum there are? Assuming 3 I guess?
I really need to get more games under my belt. There's so many people 100% convinced there is a Vig in a 12 player game I feel like this happens every game, and I just haven't played here enough to recognize it.
In post 395, Klick wrote:Based on that post alone, I'm going to say NS/BC.
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Roflcopter. GARAR is right guys. There's no need for the Bodyguard Power role to ever say "Sacrificial". Because the Bodyguard power role, by it's very nature, is sacrificial. You choose a dude to protect during the night, like a Doctor would. But if that player gets targeted instead of just preventing his death, he takes that players place. Because he is a BODY. GUARD.
So uh, yeah. We lynch Xis today. If we're still playing this game next day phase, I refuse to lynch anyone but Hated Townie Blood Covenant. Sooo let's hope GARAR is correct. Because otherwise you're not getting shit from me Day 3 until we lynch the hated townie.
Unvote. Vote: Xis
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No, I wasn't thinking straight. I was stressing over the whole 3 player lylo situation with two nightkills, not assuming the many obvious caveats that could happen at this point.
If Inte is really the Doctor, he can prevent a kill if he's lucky, even if he dies in the effort.
If DaJudge is really the Vengeful Townie, one of the killers HAS to kill him, otherwise it would be a race to see if town or scum logs in first to put a vote on him in Lylo and from there the Hammer decides the game.
If Whiskers can't be targeted by night actions, he's safe from any nightkills. And I doubt he's going to get lynched this game at this point, so I can consider him confirmed town.
If Klick is the Vig, considering nobody else has claimed to be the Vig, then I can only hope he's town aligned because I'm not lynching him. And if he's Vig instead of SK, he's on our side anyway.
I'm virtually useless, being that I have nothing to do tonight beyond say hi to Klick and wish him luck if he's a power role.
But this is all wildly speculative and the only SAFE bet we can do at this point is to lynch you, BC. Because worst case scenario, if we lynch wrong and two kills go through, you make us lose the game. Best case scenario, you are lying scum or you could live for one more day. I really don't feel comfortable taking that chance. I think you have to go tonight.-
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So Whiskers can't be targeted. Being that Klazam gave so much of a fuss over their MUST being a scum dayvig, I can see his frantic flailing being town motivated. I just think being untargetable at night is indeed lolbroken as a town role. But either way, this guarantees that he won't be protected or targeted for a kill. And we certainly can't lynch him just based off of a baseless hunch that he could be lying. As we seem to of gotten zero investigative roles this game. So regardless of what happens, Whiskers probably decides the game if we don't lynch scum today.-
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I'm going to go ahead and go with my gut and say that Klick is town Vig. He thought GARAR was most likely to be scum last night, and probably took matters into his own hands because Shos didn't believe that GARAR was scum. So I'm not going to fret over there being two anti town roles left. There's one scum left, guaranteed. The SK is already dead.
So being the fact that I trust Klick, I believe Whiskers is town and I can't afford to call Inte's bluff as he is the only protective role we got, that leaves DaJudge and BC. I'm going to wait to see what Klick says before proceeding.-
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With my loins girded with the confidence that Klick has to be the one-shot Vig, I have considered a few things. Of course, this all falls apart if Klick comes in and goes "Nope, not the Vig". Then more than one of you sum bitches are lying. But here's my analysis of the likelihood that any of these roles are scum.
Assuming all of these flavors are not false claims, here are my thoughts.
Hot Pockets (Vengeful Town): The only reason I buy this is because Hot Pockets do definitely come back to haunt me. Every day. What I don't buy is that it's only activated during Lylo. Considering all the crazy ass abilities that have been floating around with at least 3 different killing roles in the game, I highly doubt that Vengeful Town would be ONLY useful in Lylo. As a prospective mod, I wouldn't be banking on any particular role lasting to the end game with so much death flying around. If we don't lynch BC, I'm down with this lynch.
Geico (Doctor): Given the light hearted presentation of all the flavor and roles so far this game, I buy this explanation.
Columbine Shooting (Hated Townie): I buy the flavor. But the emphasis on this being Columbine and being viewed as a terrible tragedy based on gun violence, I wouldn't hesitate to believe this could be a scum role.
Mother Effin' Sorcerer (Ascetic): I suppose it makes sense. I was guessing this role was more of a Jack of all Trades type of role. But judging by the fact that Xis was Cybernetic Enhancement Mafia Bodyguard, it makes zero sense for Whiskers to be scum partners with him. The Bodyguard ability was obviously designed to help protect fellow mafia from the SK and One-Shot Vig. Having a Mafia Ascetic WITH a Body Guard is just basically saying "You should protect the Neighbor Scum each night, whoops he got lynched. Guess you're useless now".-
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I still don't feel as if Whiskers could be scum. It just wouldn't make sense to have a Scum Bodyguard in Xis be on the same team as a Scum Untargetable role. There's just no team balance in that.
Although to be honest, with the Mod saying that if he would make such a role as Whiskers role, that it would be untargetable by day actions as well, I can definitely see how it would be broken to hell. Even a semi decent player could take that role and win the game, because so long as you don't look scummy enough to be lynched, you virtually cannot die, cannot be investigated, killed, framed, roleblocked or anything.
So the only way I can see Whiskers as being scum is if I can convince myself that both Klazam and Whiskers are lying about the role assigned to them.-
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I hate to say it, but Klick very well could be the last scum. I don't like Inte's doctor claim, as he hasn't successfully protected anybody from anything, even saying as the Doc he never even sent in a protection night 2. Not to mention I thought it would of been obvious for Inte to protect DaJudge to keep Towns win con in tact.
But I also don't like Whiskers claim because you could give a brain dead turkey a role that says "Nothing but a lynch can even target you" and the brain dead turkey would win the game or come close to winning it. Since we don't even have any day abilities to go through even if they could, the only thing I could imagine being THAT untouchable is the Godfather.
And finally, Klick is my only person I have trusted since Day 1. But I cannot deny the fact that he is the KKK, and KDowns was Racism itself...it's very possible to me that Klick is the final scum just due to flavor.-
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Well the mod already said we're not allowed to speculate on the set up anymore. But I already broke that rule above so I suppose he just means no more questions of the roles directed at him.
I almost want to lynch Whiskers just out of principle because an untouchable townie just seems wrong. But I refuse to believe that scum would have an Untouchable Godfather and a One-Shot Bodyguard in the same team. It doesn't make any sense. Whoever is scum would have to be able to be targeted by Xis in order for him to protect his scumbuddies. Otherwise it makes zero sense for this game to have a scum body guard who's one-shot was meant to be used against Town when Mafias whole goal is to KILL town.
So if it's not the KKK, then it HAS to be Inte. Because Doctor is an awfully clever claim to make to cover up the fact that he could be a poisoner.-
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