Barkley, Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden: Mafia (Endgame)

[Hircine]

Vote: Gammagooey

Your slams are slow and your jams are verboten

[Hircine]

Cut--
@Benmage: You've clearly forgotten what you remember of me. Like how I'm always Town.

Or have you forgotten at all...?

Why even address Ben here, he's just doin some fancy dribblin. Your response almost sounds half serious.

[Hircine]

Benmage: Lul xD *votes Vi for random reasons* + trolls a little
Vi: I AM ALWAYS TOWN WHAT GAMES ARE YOU PLAYING AT

[Hircine]

sure m8

Vote: Benmage

[Hircine]

I kind of wanted Hircine to hammer but WHATEVS

wat

are you serious right now?

unvote

[Hircine]

What, like voting town isn't standard in my book?

Hey guys I found this slip.

Waiting for claim.

Have you played with benmage before?

Meh I thought the wagon might be goin somewhere interestin but MattP is just shooting airballs.

[Hircine]

he be real mad i reckon

[Hircine]

jace if you are serious then it's really not a slip. if you're not then i am accidently seriousing up what's a pretty good run so far so i'm just going to stop talking now for a bit.

Dude no. He just said he's voting for town and he knows it.

Vi conftown.

Ben confscum.

He was playing off Vi's wordage. I think you're bein a little obtuse, m8 (perhaps intentionally so?)

[Hircine]

Vote: Gammagooey

[Hircine]

So what do you think of the votes on you Gams?

[Hircine]

yours is fine, jase's i don't completely understand but he's gut-town, and matt's is actually bad.

This solidifies my scumread on you

sry m8

[Hircine]

is the sky blue

[Hircine]

yea idk why he's playing like a raging uberninja

[Hircine]

Gamma sure does like to make noise. And that MattP vote? This guy is maf.

[Hircine]

Gamma only voted me because of the wagon on him and the Shmugen lead of his wasn't going places so he needed a new angle

Gamma voted for you because pretty much everyone in this game has been relatively townish with the except of a few cases and you're the shining beacon of messy play. Its a silent desperation vote. He knows his play as been unsound because he's been obv as heck this game with all that lets-get-along-yeeeeaaaa kinda noise. He's also been really quick to play the role of the victim. What really got my goose is when he implied that -this- town might speedlynch. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Also he's doing that thing scum do when they say something and then they make excuses for that silly thing they said after the fact or in the same post. Gamgams, u scumscum.

[Hircine]

Also FYI Shmugerns is town as heck and towntold already with stuff like "I ignore dumb things" and his frustrated reaction to MattP's play.

[Hircine]

In case I did not make it evident before, Hircine is not Town. Pretty much all of his posts thus far are instigating what other people have brought up, and he's sheeping YOU because it's safe and easy, MattP. Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong. If you can't do it with a straight face after looking back, you're cheating.

Haha what.

I basically started the Gamma bw http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4367014
This is me sheeping MattP http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4367273

I'm having a hard time believing Vi could be this off. He was my initial scumread with his overly elaborate response to Benmage. This could be chainsawing (think I used that term right?)

[Hircine]

Another example of me sheeping MattP http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4368039 (lol)

Dat rhetoric, Vi! Dat rhetoric.

"Hey Vi I'm just saying you might be scummy for this we might come back to this later kthx." - Thats called scumhunting, m'dear
"Hey Jase I'm just saying you might be scummy for this we might come back to this later kthx." - Thats called scumhunting, m'dear

The rest just looks like kicking Gamma while he's down.

*Gammagooey's play thus far in this game has been weak. I can feel the stretching in my own posts while explaining my read on him.

[Hircine]

Thats called scumhunting, m'dear

No, that's called getting dirt ready to throw at people when it becomes convenient.[/quote]

This is what I call framing an argument to suit your own agenda. Also according to this, my posts are TIME BOMBS I can use to "throw at" you and Jase when it becomes convenient. Couldn't I just ISO and quote things I found scummy? lol dang Vi if it turns out I'm right and you're Gamma's partner...just dang. You got slam jammed.

[Hircine]

Gamma wagon is pure gold, Ben. Aint no pyrite in there. Matt hit the nail on the head (omg im pandering to matt!! BUDDYING!) when he said #55 was pure lulz.

@Shmugerns gimme some solid reads, m8. Also how you feelin about your Vi vote?

[Hircine]

Also Ben's recent posts reads semi-OMGUS which tints him town.

[Hircine]

Totally reasonable! But how about those reads?

[Hircine]

I'm all for b-ball on this court dawg but my peepers are having a hard time readin whatchu sayin.

[Hircine]

b-ball lingo*

[Hircine]

jase no. he said voting town is standard for him. which it is for like most people who play mafia just because having a higher than 50/50 chance of voting scum is pretty unlikely plus he's voted people who he thought were town in previous games since other shit wasn't going to happen and stuff like that. i reaaaaaally do not think that is a scumtell.

[Hircine]

Echoing Jase's sentiments. I'm lovin the b-ball facts hito.

@Anyone - Whats your take on Nacho so far?

[Hircine]

Um, was that really necessary?

[Hircine]

Call me a bit paranoid here but shouldnt you have said Matt is town just now?

[Hircine]

Call me a bit paranoid here but shouldnt you have said Matt is town just now?

why?

So you're just gonna ignore what Matt said?

I'm lovin the b-ball facts hito.

That thing in post 150 is in no way a "fact". I refuse to believe it.

You call that banter?

[Hircine]

@Jase Gamma is still golden scum you've just lost your fortitude (hopefully) due to a lull in activity.

@Matt uhh confirmation? If I were masons and my angst-ridden partner outed D1 for some arcane reason I'd be more than a little upset. I dont think I would ignore the situation. Thats just weird to me. Okay lets say you really are masons, and Nacho doesn't want to acknowledge it leaving room for people to assume you're just lolreactiontesting or being retarded like you were earlier, or maybe he isn't a mason and he wants to draw the nk. Okay thats cool I can respect that to some degree, but shit it feels off. However if the latter were the case I feel like he'd call bullshit on that. Like If I said I was masons with Kanye, I think Kanye would say "uhh yea we b masons,,," - he'd confirm it. Or if we weren't masons, he'd say "Dawg hircine be trippin ha,,,". It just doesnt strike me as normal behavior to just ignore it and say "Jase is town" immediately after it. I'm a little dumbfounded by that. There is always the line of thought that scum would never be retarded enough to claim masons... well, I can site two recent games where good players have done it soo yeah. Its distracting.

Meanwhile Vi be chillin soaking up some likability points without even attempting to contribute circa page 7. Never mind his phantom vote on Gamma.

[Hircine]

He's acting scummy bro. Unless he starts owning shit real soon in Vi-esq fashion he's maf.

[Hircine]

welp

[Hircine]

@Matt uhh confirmation? If I were masons and my angst-ridden partner outed D1 for some arcane reason I'd be more than a little upset. I dont think I would ignore the situation. Thats just weird to me. Okay lets say you really are masons, and Nacho doesn't want to acknowledge it leaving room for people to assume you're just lolreactiontesting or being retarded like you were earlier, or maybe he isn't a mason and he wants to draw the nk. Okay thats cool I can respect that to some degree, but shit it feels off. However if the latter were the case I feel like he'd call bullshit on that. Like If I said I was masons with Kanye, I think Kanye would say "uhh yea we b masons,,," - he'd confirm it. Or if we weren't masons, he'd say "Dawg hircine be trippin ha,,,". It just doesnt strike me as normal behavior to just ignore it and say "Jase is town" immediately after it. I'm a little dumbfounded by that. There is always the line of thought that scum would never be retarded enough to claim masons... well, I can site two recent games where good players have done it soo yeah. Its distracting.

Yea so? Are you trying to do that thing I do when I quote someone without saying anything and just let the natural scumminess of their words do the talking for me? How exactly does that apply here? Welp redux

Also I resent being called dense. I just dont like to play silly unnecessary games. His claim was one big derpy distraction. Sorry, I get distracted easy.

[Hircine]

lelrxntest so good

Matt, heh...if you're going to be rude I'm gonna chill out for awhile. I'm trying to play decent this game and I dont need some pretentious unbalanced little shit telling me I'm bad.

[Hircine]

Its fucking Nacho he's the master of shit like that. Sorry for stating it but like I said I dont like to play games as it just confuses most of the town and for the people who aren't playing at meta level of 9 or above they wont understand that shit and it'll just unecessarily cloud reads.

[Hircine]

never explains why

Do I look like a fucking poet? Do all human thoughts have a robotic linear progression? I edited that shit heavily. I wanted to convey both my understanding of the situation and my vexation/irritation of it. 1) I think it would have been better if Nacho acknowledged it and confirmed you as his mason partner 2) I think that other shit is unlikely (although a possibility) and Nacho is just being a Nacho and thus screwing up my reads because of it. 3) Overall you a pretty darn strong townread

This game was so fucking airtight people stopped posting and started b-ball roleplaying. You ruined it.

[Hircine]

Because fuck mathew

NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR WERE MASONS OUT OF NOWHERE LETS RUIN THIS FANTASTIC GAME. NERRRRRR PARANOID DOUBLEVOTER. NERRR D4 OH WE WERE NEVER MASONS XD. ETC WHATEVER YOU UNDERSTAND ME. NACHO ISNT HERE. IM TALKING TO MATHEW. NACHO PROBABLY WILL CONFIRM IT. WHATS THE POINT OF UNCONFIRMED MASONS? FUCKING DUMB

[Hircine]

I have to go

But I will be back with a sober mind tomorrow

<3

YEAH

CALLED IT

[Hircine]

WHATS THE POINT OF UNCONFIRMED MASONS? FUCKING DUMB

[Hircine]

-I sit on the bench and take a large gulp of gatorade. I wipe bullets sweat off my brow. I think "This slam jam has already got to me..."-

i give a lot of fucks act,

^

Pedit: Thats a possibility 4 real. I never played with matt b4 so I dont know what his OversoulLvl® is yet.

[Hircine]

Those reads are lazy

[Hircine]

Also more on me and why I'm maf specifically

Something about Hircine's rage at Matt feels staged, supremely so, especially considering it was the second reaction test out of Matt in the day.

You realize he never said it was a reaction test. Why are you acting like it was a given?

[Hircine]

inb4 confirmation bias

[Hircine]

Hircine has done nothing to advance the gamma wagon other than his initial vote and even now instead of pushing gamma or you, Vi, he's doing other things which appear to be just him trying to look busy. He's put out very little of his own content and has done a lot of sheeping. His wagon is good.
Vote: Hircine

lmao what is this shit. you cannot be serious with this shit.

Vote: Jase

@Zor - I'll respond to your post tomorow morning, but really its all crap. Sorry m8. None of it is good.

[Hircine]

like literally all of that is bullshit and disconnected from reality

jase has to be scum or just not reading the game

[Hircine]

Also more on me and why I'm maf specifically

Also FYI Shmugerns is town as heck and towntold already with stuff like "I ignore dumb things" and his frustrated reaction to MattP's play.

I don't agree with this at all. To the point where it is a tad scummy.

- I give a townread (Shmugen being genuine and unlurky/unscummy/gangsta-dont-give-a-fuck-esq). I think Gamma is maf? Do you disagree with that read too? Am I maf because of that aswell?

He's acting scummy bro. Unless he starts owning shit real soon in Vi-esq fashion he's maf.

This could be sarcasm but even so, this doesn't compute well.

- ?????? Vi's initial posts were to attack me out of the blue and generally hover around being cheeky. Not to mention his b-ball banter. I aint got nothing against banter but given the state of the game and my chainsaw theory I think my read on him was justified. Remember when you said your Vi reads were almost always wrong? So I dont see how you can judge me here and even come close to linking that read to scummy behavior. Again, this is a case of you "disagreeing" with my reads and painting me maf because of it. Where is my scummy behavior? Wheres the part where I fished or I lurked or I was anti-town? Anyway. Notice I said was. My Vi read has changed.

Its fucking Nacho he's the master of shit like that. Sorry for stating it but like I said I dont like to play games as it just confuses most of the town and for the people who aren't playing at meta level of 9 or above they wont understand that shit and it'll just unecessarily cloud reads.

This is pretty slippy.

Especially because the two references from Hircine about Nacho before were:

@Anyone - Whats your take on Nacho so far?

And one about how Nacho ignored Matt.

This is almost automatically saying Nacho is town but you haven't even done anything before it to prove it.

- "Pretty slippy" - lolwat. For now I'm assuming nacho is town, yes. Prove? Interesting choice of words there. His opening post was relatively town. I've played with everyone in this game multiple times with the exception of MattP (I think its pretty obvious who I am. Vi probably knows being a forum mod.) Anyway. Nacho is the wifom gambit master. How is me stating that anywhere near a "slip"? How is me asking for reads on nacho indicative of anything? Yea, I pointed out Nacho ignored Matt - I went into great detail about that...not seeing how it ties in here with any valid observation about me being mafia.

So basically your entire case is just crap. I'm going to give you some time to realize it before I start doing bad things to you.

[Hircine]

what has gamma done since the heat died off of him momentarily? not a fuckin thing.

[Hircine]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Hircine]

I approve of Gamma being brought to L-1, though I don't think I approve of hammering him within the first, say, five days of the game? I do not currently think Vi is scum, but with some lynch hungry folks out there, Vi's a safe place to keep my vote for now.

also; might be nothing... but it might be everything

Man, being scum with Gamma would be a fun time, though I don't get along with cats very well. I don't envy the Jam team's 2v8.

Both scum are in [Gamma/Jase/Shmugen/Zoroaster]. As of now, pretty certain on that. Thoughts on Shmugen Vi? His ISO...

[Hircine]

sry m8

[Hircine]

-poke-

[Hircine]

-poke-

Oh, sorry, I misread.

There are people scummier than Shm00, at least IMO. I wouldn't mourn his death but I think there's better out there.

Do you concur with my lynchpool?

[Hircine]

Found scum did you?

whats the town motivation for being this cheeky

[Hircine]

Town motivation? Why do I need town motivation to be cheeky? Cheeky is my natural state.

This kind of pointless fluff posting is a big reason I think you're scum. Unless you can tell me how this shit is game relevant.

1. uhh no its not your "natural state"

2. how is me pointing out you being overly cheeky @ nacho when he finally gives a scumread "fluff"?

...

[Hircine]

This is fluff posting.

You cant sustain those bullshit levels for long, Jase.

[Hircine]

My slams are strong, Nacho, and willing to be argumentative. Make a case.

Vote: Shmugen

Hey you, watch'u gon do
Hey you, watch'u gon do

@Jase - yeah okay pal whatever, enjoy burbling to yourself. i'm not gonna let myself get distracted by you

[Hircine]

Your decision to yell at me about shit that doesn't matter instead of trying to debunk anything is also a great reason why you're scum.

Basically you're full of poop (lmao@ "debunk") and I dont have time for people who cant think straight also people aren't buying you for maf right now so theres that.

In other news, I'm loving Shmu's reaction to his wagon atm.

Yo Shmu you realize your vote is on me right?

[Hircine]

Ah. Primarily relational tells. Should we flip Zoroaster, the only other player we would learn something about is you, and you're a slippery enough fish that it wouldn't be conclusive.

What the hell is this?

Fry this scumbag holy sheesh

[Hircine]

Zor I really dont understand your read on me. You sure its not confirmation bias? Are you

SURE

? Because it seems like you know what you're saying is weak noise. I dont mean to be flippant or dismissive but... are you Zoraster? That would be helpful to me. If so why the alt. My Vi read is pretty complex. I dont want to talk about it really. Your points about my read on Nacho (its not like he's a strong townread, he's just autocleared atm because its practical) are kinda silly. Like from a critical standpoint they're just silly. Also stop miming me, scum mime thats a scumtell okay thanks.

[Hircine]

Yea 352 is downright hilarious

[Hircine]

I feel more strongly about Hircine that I do about Gamma at this point. I think he thought he could score some town points by yelling at Matt, when the obvious thing to do is to ignore him. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to catch you D1, Kanye. Your questioning has been decent since 133 and I'm content to let that read develop. Zoo hadn't posted by 133, hence his not being on there before.

This is just a mess

Shmugers you're scum caught bud

[Hircine]

Guys. Its Shmugen or Jase. Period.

I thought about it in the bath last night and everything points to Shmugen but my gut says Jase. Zor is town imo, Vi. Another possibility is Benmage but the chances of that are low imo. Definitely between Jase and Shmugen.

Re-read Jase guys. I'd like to get some opinions before I place my vote.

[Hircine]

Guys. Its Shmugen or Jase. Period.

I thought about it in the bath last night and everything points to Shmugen but my gut says Jase. Zor is town imo, Vi. Another possibility is Benmage but the chances of that are low imo. Definitely between Jase and Shmugen.

Re-read Jase guys. I'd like to get some opinions before I place my vote.

The day Gamma busses his only partner on Day 1 second on the wagon is the day Shmu is scum.

I can't reread Jase at the moment but I remember the way his vote landed on Gamma being Town.

Why not Zoroaster?

You know what, I couldnt think of a good reason for that (why not zor). Partially I guess because I find Shmu and Jase so compelling. And I value Town-Nacho's eyes. However his recent vote strikes me as weak for obv reasons. We should put pressure on all of these guys, perhaps force them to claim? Eh?

Also;

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4384290

pedit: matt beat me to it

[Hircine]

Vote: Jase

Might not be around for a few days fyi so consider me semi v/la

[Hircine]

Wait people have actually said I might be scum after yesterday? lolwut I'm confirmed town

[Hircine]

also

Vi is conftown
Matt is conftown
Kanye is conftown

[Hircine]

Vote: Shmugen

Taking up Nachos righteous mantle.

If it's not Shmugen it absolutely is Hircine, but with Nacho dead I'm pitching towards Schmugen instead.

I know I was big on Hircine and only switched to Shmu when I couldn't get the Hircine, but the Nacho kill makes little sense from anyone buy Shmugens perspective. The only reason to kill Nacho over conftown Vi is because of the accuracy of his reads. Not only that but Vi was strongly in the Shmutown camp. There's always the explanation of straight up WIFOM of course, but in leaving a conftown alive that speaks of desperation which again points to shmugen.

I know my shit with Gamma make me look really bad, but if and when I die REMEMBER WHAT I HAVE SAID. The more I think on it the more I'm sure that Schmu is the final Jam aligned player. If you must lynch me do not forget. Do Not Forget.

Hircine is actually speaking some sense today.

It's just more pro-town to get rid of me or Jase today. If we lynch Hircine and he's Slam, we're right back to Jase vs Shmu with less time to spare.

lolwut?? Man, same old story here. Everything points to Shmugers but my heart says Jase...

Jase, please flavorclaim and claim your role.

Shmu, please claim you role.

[Hircine]

(4) Zoroaster: Vi,Benmage,

Shmugen, Jase

[L-1!]

(0) Not Voting: (Vi, kanyeknowsbest, Benmage, Zoroaster, MattP, Hircine, Shmugen, Jase)

lmao@ that shit

Wake up.

Shmugen you should move your vote or change your stance on the kill. I am not close to that inexperienced.

Anyways I don't know why I thought I might get a different answer from Vi, but this is going to happen.

Unvote

Vote: Zoroaster

Its Jase people.

[Hircine]

Ben, you need to get your vote off Zor.

Shmu why are you playing like crap? You realize you are

consistently

scummy right?

[Hircine]

Shmu why are you playing like crap? You realize you are

consistently

scummy right?

[Hircine]

Vi is obviously conftown. Saying why is just noise.

[Hircine]

Claiming before I absolutely must would be pretty antitown.

I'm also confused about how it was we supposedly ended up with four conftown players from yesterday. Enlighten me.

lmao this guy is mad

zor you need to step up atm so vi gets off you

[Hircine]

ur basically begging to be lynched atm

ur atti2'd needs to change or else its happening...

[Hircine]

i might hammer him, rereading.

[Hircine]

man kanners i rly want a puurfect game here and this duder is ruinin it m8

[Hircine]

look @ the disconnect between his early votes&expressed sentiments

[Hircine]

cooldog is that u

[Hircine]

I am a VT. My flavor name is Pump.

Suddenly everything makes sense.

i lol'd

[Hircine]

Whatever there's no way I was going to last long anyways. Just do me a favor and don't ever lynch shmugen at any point. Tomorrow lynch hircine if you're sold on zoroaster town. I'm pretty sure a lynchpool of me, hircine, and zor from now until lylo will result in a town victory. Be better off if I wasn't included but I'm not holding on to any delusions that that'd be a possibility.

Not gonna spend much effort on defense here because the largest part of the case against me (the fucking thing with fucking gamma god damnit) is indefensible and means that I will always be a viable alternative to any wagon at any point for the rest of the game.

Seriously though lynch hircine at some point ok? He's been on all the trendiest wagons, and his absolute refusal to engage any point I make against him is scummy as fuck. Not to mention his pushing me all day today is super convenient for scum because "HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW HE WAS TOWN WITH THAT GAMMA INTERACTION??/?/". I mean it.

dat edgy-nervous almost prepared over-reaction

[Hircine]

Yo. I'm leaning Zoro because of his quick way of halting any scumhunting or proactive action. The moment he claimed pump that was that and he's only really shadow voted (idk just made that term up). Thats pretty scummy. He isn't vla, he is here...but not. When I think about it the way he handled his claim, it was never really townie. It was crap. He's letting us take that story of him being the haughty sacred-protector-of-the-role-town and letting us roll with it ourselves. It doesnt really fit with how he's played though. Also when I think about it Pump is the perfect fakeclaim - everyone knows who he is, and everyone likes him, or is at least amused by him. You dont need a huge amount of knowledge about shut up and jam to know about Pump. Also he's not necessarily bad or good (wouldnt know, never played through the entire game), he just has staunch opinions about JRPGS. That line of thought is pretty secondary to why I think Zoro is probably scum though.

I know kkb pretty well and I can say without a shadow of a doubt he's town here.

I got big stuff going on atm though I'll try to keep updated (this game isnt moving very fast anyway) but yeah.

Vote: Zoroaster

[Hircine]

Sup brehs. Prod received. Lemme do some math outloud.

7 alive. Assume we ML, 6 now + NK = 5 tomorrow. Assume another we have 3 man. What are we sweating over? 3 MLs in a game where we have a bunch of strong-ass townies and hopefully at least 1 unclaimed PR? Cmon this is a slam dunk.

Pedit: So scratch that. Its 6 alive. Being a hardcore EM player (how you think I read gamma so good?) imma suggest we NL so we dont have have a 4man situation tomorrow. I dont like that at all really.

I think scum would have hammered by now. Kanye is my G. Vi is my G. Matt is my G. Sure we can lynch force lynch Zoro right now but its starting to feel off in a gut sense. I just think he's an antitown low-tier player (no offense mang). Vi, I do not agree with your read on Kanye at all, especially that one emote-post which I thought was way stretching. If you werent conftown I'd be up in your grill. But alas.

Also pedit note: This doesn't change things much.

Shmugen continues to be consistently scummy. I've played with Shmugers before and he was generally competent and smart, though he has that way of being a little over-explanative which is sort of naturally scummy. I'm seeing a more whimsical Shmugers this game. A lot dead ends, a lot of bleh - he doesn't have that hard edge.

I've been framing the Zoro/Gamma/Shmu argument for a long time. I stand by it. I can see where that might make some players nervous, but imo thats just overthinking. I feel good about my townfriends.

Vote: No Lynch

[Hircine]

Uhh guys, consider for a moment where we are. This is coney island. We dont know what surprises the game has in store for us. IMO the safest route is to NL then we have 2 straight MLs. Not to fearmonger but what if there is a shadow barkly with a chaos dunk of his own? Or what if hito is a sick sick individual and this is actually 7:3 (not that I believe that this is possible). If this game were an open setup, I'd be all for lynching today. But its not. Its coney island and I believe we should play it safe. Its just standard operating procedure to me to NL in this situation.

Another argument for the NL is that the 4man NL in mylo is rather awkward and gives someone a chance to slip up leading to a greater probability of a possible PR being killed. Another possibility is that someone presents an argument for not NLing and it gains traction. Furthermore there is the possibility of some sort of double-whammy by the scum (like an evil chaos dunk). Its just too risky imo. Yes, we all have the upmost confidence in hito as a mod, but on the offchance there is something like that in this game, should we take the risk? I just say heck no, no thanks. Its intellectually lazy to just write off the possibility of variables like that and attribute them to mod error so we can be righteously indignant if something like that happens.

I like the 2 straight MLs. It counters alot of the problems I have outlined above. Also I think the kill will be informative to a small degree. I dont believe Vi will die. Its going to be either me or matt imo. I'm fine with that honestly (sorry matt :p).

[Hircine]

Reading Vi's above post made me realize "2 straight MLs" isnt' technically correct. Because we'll only have the one then voila lylo. We wont be presented with a mylo situation though, thats my main point.

[Hircine]

The same is valid for if we NL, the gotcha aspect is still there. Its not 'clearly superior' at all.

[Hircine]

I highly doubt we will lose Vi.

[Hircine]

think abt what happens if we nl today? likely we lose vi or myself and our lynch pool does not improve. nl is for tomorrow if we cant prevent tonights nk.

Also werent you just saying you thought the kill info would be beneficial? What changed your mind all of a sudden?

[Hircine]

Kanye you dumbass.

[Hircine]

Vote: Shmugen

[Hircine]

Unvote

bah idk

[Hircine]

fine

Vote: Zoro

ps zoro i like how you've been at l-1 for ages and you've done absolutely nothing good job with that bud!

[Hircine]

Stop bein 'tarded.

[Hircine]

Lying? O_O

[Hircine]

oh okay

I reread his first post. My mistake. Its still coney island. Also NLing is no longer viable considering what Kanye just said.

[Hircine]

IDK why Vi is being deliberately sort of obstructionist and not constructive. I didn't train him to act a fool. I dont think he seriously thinks I'm maf... "More of a vote Hircine and lets see who piles on" kinda thing. (hopefully).

@Shmugernista

- I would hardly say they were "crazy", thats a bit of a stretch...Its not like I didn't put a few disclaimers in there or I was being unreasonable...Also "imploded" is a rather loaded term and not really represenative of the reality of the game.

Kanyenta

, I realized yesterday, why have you been holding on to your vote for so long? What are you considering? Also... man the more Shmugers posts the more I want to noose him...

Sorry m8. None of it is good.

But let's move on to this comprehensive Zoroisscum tactic here

You realize you can post outside of people addressing you right?

[Hircine]

See, that's fair. I can understand your case to a certain point and we can gleefully be able to disagree. When someone like Hiricine decides to flaunt his awesome vote, I assume that people should realize that there's something wrong there.

Woahhh the amount of butthurt in this post is like off the charts.

O_______o

Kanyenta

, I realized yesterday, why have you been holding on to your vote for so long?

im incredibly unsure. i want to lynch zoro but i think hell flip town. shmu has so little support ive been questioning that read as a result. everyone else i dont really want to lynch right now.

I feel the same way. But something's gotta give just like that Jack Nicholson movie naw mean. However I disagree with the Shmu support point, Matt seems like he might be down for it. Only person really opposed is Vi.

[Hircine]

Not supremely confident but I think its a strong possibility. Why? Uhh setup speculation and Kanye?

[Hircine]

I do all the time?

The tone of this game is starting to feel a little weird. Matt is distant, Vi is paranoid, Kanye is being all

le meh

, Zoro just being a little twerp, Shmu just sort of chilling. Dudes. Cmon. Have we really hit a wall? I dont think so; I think its more or less just apathy at the boring situation of Shmu or Zor probably being scum and thats that. Compound time and you have a situation where people maybe are overthinking the game a little - I've caught myself suspecting Matt and Kanye in varying degrees but I always come back to the facts and reality of the game. Which is these guys have an extremely high probability of being town.

@Matt,

what do you think about a Shmu lynch?

[Hircine]

Mattttt

[Hircine]

I literally laughed out loud when I saw those two votes. Of course they both hop. Of course. Zoro, its about time you worked up the nerve for that. Shmu, thats a mistake you wont be able to recover from.

Zoro, you seem to be operating under the idea that I have actually been reading what you've saying. Ever since our initial bout, I realized you were innately ridiculous and not able to have a conversation at a reasonable level. Ever since I've just sort of glazed over your posts, not reading the specifics of your ramblings but more looking at the tone and motivation behind your posts. Looking at the style of the posts. I could care less what you actually say, because most of it isn't anything reasonable or insightful. When you said "Please proceed, Hircine" I took it to mean you were implying that I did not post outside motivation, that I did not post proactively, the thing I was accusing you of doing... or more accurately, not doing. If you somehow consider me reactively saying "I do all the time" a criticism of your recent post of #706 you are severely mistaken.

As far as you "disproving" anything; like I've said, I consider pretty much everything you say irrelevant because you dont seem to know how to string together a paragraph without your victimization complex rearing its ugly head. You dont seem to know how to be reasonable at a very basic level. Its like you're that guy at a party everyone avoids.

I stand corrected. Corrosive though you may be, you have a point. I'm starting to feel that a Zoroaster lynch today isn't the right medicine. Gogo Day 1 hunch.

Unvote, Vote: Hircine

This is the nail in your coffin Shmu. You know I've been hounding you since Day 1. You would like nothing more than to lynch the guy who called out your partner and has expressed serious reservations about your play the entire game. Zoro just made a horrible post and ho, you sheeped it. What was his point? Please tell me.

"Gogo Day 1 hunch" = lol I dont have to come up with a real reason to switch wagons I can just hop shamelessly he he he"

Vote: Shmugen

The Gamma wifom (by both players), the noncommittal play, the bystander mentality, the lack of scumhunting, why me? = fry me ("make a case"), general cheekiness over substance, predatory votes, tendency to go with other people's opinions instead of his own, etc. The list goes on.

[Hircine]

shit im here

[Hircine]

Hey Hircine.

Remind me again why MattP is Town? It's late at night and he hasn't done anything for me recently.

Why? Basically the brashness of his early game play and consistently making decent plays and making decent points. His recent posting style IS an anomaly/inconsistency though I will admit; seems like he's been more inclined to post in other games besides this one and just from a skim in the ahead pages he voted kanye (??? the hell is that?) If we were in lylo together I would not autoclear him but he still has played a lot more towny game than zoro or shmu.

Catching up, I'll be around the next hour or so.

[Hircine]

I don't think it's Zoroaster (where the main case is "we don't like you") or Shmugen (where the main case is "look, we totally were two for two on scum D1").

If you're claiming Designated NK, that leaves Hircine and MattP.

Is more persuasion necessary?

Not really understanding your PoV on Shmu here. I dont know what you guys mean but Monty-Hall. Meta level isn't high enough. Vi, all you really need to

see

is Shmu's shitty sheep and subsequent hop. Thats a classic scum move right there. Who would you rather have in lylo? Zoro or me? Frikkin

classic

scum move right there.

[Hircine]

I'm going to reread Hircine and Kanye tonight

??? The reaction to my wagon here is kind of strange

[Hircine]

What's the case against me again? A bit of flip flopping between Zoro and Hircine, or just my lackluster early presence? It sure looks like I'm the play for the day, as no other wagons have any votes but for Hircine and I don't see Kanye or MattP moving to Hircine more likely than Zoro moving to me.

I guess I'll get my last paranoid thoughts out now, then. We aren't seeing power players or main characters from the game. I mentioned before that only two characters can Chaos Dunk, Barkley and Shadow Barkley. Hoops has been killed, I'm Larry Bird, and Zoro claims Pump, and Kanye hints at being Wilford Brimley. That leaves Cyberdwarf, Balthios, Vinceborg, and a whole slew of other characters out. I'm less and less positive that Vi couldn't be Shadow Barkley potentially. I haven't yet gone back and reread how scummy Vi found Gamma D1 before the Dunk, as I said I wasn't going to engage my paranoia till later.

I guess that paragraph is mostly for those who don't have the flavor knowledge. I'm certainly not saying a last minute swing onto Vi is right or feasible.

MAFIA RIGHT HERE. Note he starts begging for a case again ONLY when he is pressured; I previously outlined why he is scum:

ABSOLUTELY 0 REACTION FROM HIM ON IT

. Remember when I asked Shmu what exactly Zor's point was; you know the one he sheeped that was good enough reason to hop and change his vote?

ABSOLUTELY 0 REACTION FROM HIM ON IT

MattP votes Shmu:

What's the case against me again?

Jesus. I'm flabbergasted here. I still feel very strongly Shmu is scum.

[Hircine]

Lynching Kanye or even thinking about it is

RIDICULOUS

[Hircine]

Shmugen hops on Zoro with shitty reasoning
Shmugen hops on Hircine with shitty reasoning
Shmugen hops on Kanye with shitty reasoning
Shmugen hops on MattP with shitty reasoning

Seeing a pattern here guys?? This dude is legit desperate and has no real scumreads. Nothing but scumpologies; he's fucking

VAPORWARE

; HE IS MAFIA.

[Hircine]

Matt, Shmugen needs to die today in the next few hours. Pedit: damn you matt. Vote Shmugen.

[Hircine]

Matt thats absolutely unforgivable

[Hircine]

I have no real scumreads, true. I'm desperate to lynch anyone but myself because anyone but myself has a better chance of hitting scum.

Jesus christ just die obvscum

[Hircine]

Yes buddy Vi because THATS YOUR ONLY FUCKING CHANCE

[Hircine]

Guys... Shmugen isn't even really playing the game; he's doing that thing scum do where they just post when absolutely necessary and make excuses inbetween. HE IS SPECTATING. HE IS MAFIA.

[Hircine]

"We can give it a try if you'd like, but it'll be a waste of time." - "Told you" - Not exactly "oh baby lets do the freaky", but the post has subtleties which I wont bother explaining because such connections are tenuous at best even among veteran players. Your decision to criticize that one post out of all the other posts where I have raised points against you is telling.

YOU ARENT SHMUGEN

YOU ARE SCUMGEN

pedit: thx matt <3

COME AROUND Vi, COME AROUND. THE TOWNFRIENDS WILL ACHIEVE GREAT VICTORY HERE.

[Hircine]

sigh, just sigh. sigh @ shmugen not being scum. what the hell dude.

we aren't immediately no lynching without discussing things, especially you kanye. you know what im talking about.

1) We no lynch today
2) We don't discuss anything prior to no lynching

1. no shit shit sherlock
2. no we are using the day

[Hircine]

naw.

enough with the bullshit

unvote before zoro gets here

[Hircine]

fullclaim now kanye

all actions

[Hircine]

tomorrow is not going to be the case of going into the day blind, or you saying "herp im just vt" no, no, NO.

[Hircine]

all we have is time, we are NOT wasting it by immediately no lynching

Zor, if you have an OUNCE of towniness in you you will NOT nl right away

[Hircine]

You're moronic for wanting to go into lylo with ZOROASTER blind.

Kanye claims PR? I CC.

[Hircine]

hircine, im not going to be able to give you anything satisfactory today. all i will say at this point is that a lot of my play yesterday was an attempt to draw the nightkill, which obviously failed.

you are a fucker

vote: no lynch

[Hircine]

kanye, i luv u m8. our meta level at the end of yesterday was so fukn high

i retract (im a vt). was obv trying to draw kill and protect kanyips.

matt sort of troubling me; wouldnt put it past either of them(mattnzor) to nk. thats not going to factor into my decision making tho

will reread and make a more in depth post tomorrow, not posting from pc atm

[Hircine]

ps kanye lets slow roll this shit

[Hircine]

FYI I think it'll be prudent to still no lynch. Sorry Kanye, dont fight me on that.

Gonna try to do some meta research on Zoro and Matt.

Zor is most likely scum given everything that has happened this game, but then again I've been wrong about Shmu and Jase (which I though were both solid lynches)

[Hircine]

My logic for not trusting your claim entirely is that 2 goons against VTs and one day vig isn't a horrible setup. A Doctor would help but not much in terms of a dayvig.

uhh yes it is. just so there is no confusion.

I'd like mattp to flavor/nameclaim. kanye some recent things from matt I seriously dont like (i am addressing kanye not you matt please do not respond to this): his charged reaction to my pr claim; stating that i was vt- usually a scumsided mentality there to think about people's

role

like that; its like he already had my slot down as vt, like he was already thinking about it and the bluster to my claim was foam from thinking about it previously. His burst of AtE with you particularly starting at http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4456884. Its all very game-y.

[Hircine]

2 goons

Also pointing out that this could be considered a slip. Anyway, back to my meta research.

[Hircine]

Kanye, have you seen any posts like this http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4389394 from Zor this game? Because I haven't.

Do not fight me about the NL thing. Its still prudent. We are still gonna take our time this day. We aren't in any rush. We have enough time to come to an agreement. I only quickNL'd yesterday to add credence to supposedly outing myself as a PR and being mad at you. IMO it was pretty transparent, but really it was the only way to save you. I'll go into that more later but honestly I really really really still want to NL.

[Hircine]

if we no lynch you are jsut signing your death certificate. i cant protect you again and theres basically no way im eating the bullet over you at this point. there is zero benefit for anyone in no lynching.

Dood I understand all the angles, but trust me I bet I've been in this situation about 500 more times than you

Also I wanna put matt through the ringer,I dont want to do the whole "lel matt deserves to win if he's maf zor played like trash"

[Hircine]

Hey hey hey bub before you make it Zoro vs me there is NOTHING that says that you didn't no kill and then do this to clear yourself when it was clear that lylo was going to be you v zoro as the final lynch.

Both myself and Hircine had you as second picking to Zoro for scum.

Cost benefit of clearing Hircine, who was on noone's lynch list, to make it me v Zoro over you v Zoro is a great mylo gambit.

I'm VT. I want to hear Hircine's claim

Also IDGAF about WIFOM bullshit, I would never never NEVER NK Hircine in a million years when he literally had a halo around my head. I would JIZZ as scum to have him with me in lylo

Please point out where I said Kanye is second on my list.

[Hircine]

dont give me dat face

[Hircine]

I'd like mattp to flavor/nameclaim. kanye some recent things from matt I seriously dont like (i am addressing kanye not you matt please do not respond to this): his charged reaction to my pr claim; stating that i was vt- usually a scumsided mentality there to think about people's

role

like that; its like he already had my slot down as vt, like he was already thinking about it and the bluster to my claim was foam from thinking about it previously. His burst of AtE with you particularly starting at http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4456884. Its all very game-y.

believe his reaction is legit. i 100% see matt getting hopped up as fuck if he thinks that someone has slipped. his ate is definitely very atey, but again, i believe that is the sort of player matt is. i see it as pretty genuine.

the thing that matters to me most about matt is the reasoning that would arrive at him killing you over me. the problem is that getting into this territory is very wifomy and its murky as fuck, but applying occams razor it makes the most sense for him to kill me and sweet talk you into hammering zoro after he puts himself into a 1v1 w. zoro. killing you and mucking the water up with a me/zoro/matt lylo is really roundabout and probably a lot less reliable.

yah i dont think matt would be tricked by my obv fakeclaim maneuvering but zoroaster would (do ye concur), or you are lucky as heck and the game is basically mountainous which i doubt but i dont leave outside the realm of posibility hence my willingness to nk

[Hircine]

nl*

idk everything says zoro but basically i dont want to live with the fact that would could have lynched him twice now already

[Hircine]

yeah thats kind of depressing. i dont really get what you mean by the game being basically mountainous and me being lucky?

i mean, yeah i think the game was probably designed from the mountainous base and trading 2 townies for having our blackout dayvig and once per doc. balance seems reasonable to me on that.

but this goes back to the possible slip from zoro: hes either scum and knows its 2 goons or has put enough thought into the setup to know that balance dictates it should be 2 goons. and he hasnt been posting like thats a thought he would have come up with for the game.

1. that you're fakeclaiming with no CCs and our only PR is a vig. lol if that were the case. but yah, i'm not strong on this its just my prudent playstyle.
2. mountainous @ these numbers (or ever really) isnt balanced! at all! i think hito should know this. your role makes alot of sense.
3. i'm not putting a lot of stock in it, as sometimes i use weird wording, but its there.

generalizations;

A) MattP is mafia, bussed gamma hard D1, was rather consistent-townish D2, but faded into the background D3 and D4.
B) Zor is mafia, "slight townread" on gamma, never really helpful, consistently combative, also was reticent D3 and D4.

Have you ignored Zor this game as much as I have?

pedit: havent read that matt post yet

[Hircine]

tfw you write a post then close your browser and its not recovered

idk what matt is trying to accomplish in his recent post. Is he saying I'm maf or something? Because clearly I was pretty responsible for Kanye not dying. Kanye had been softclaiming for ages and I was probing and poking him trying to get something to work with - he gave it to me with his "I might have been trying to draw NK" line. Really, with no other PR claim he was the only logical NK choice. I do agree with Zor not making a lot of sense in his recent posts, they seem to be missing the point.

about the nl, I always like giving the maf a chance to mess up. i dont really like to give them the answers you just did, or along the lines of what you just said, but yeah. whatevs. we can come to an agreement.

[Hircine]

matt, why is zor maf?
zor, why is matt maf?

[Hircine]

ye

this sucks tho because were headed for a zoro lynch no matter what. its the unstoppable force, the inexorable lynchee, the peniultimate recourse in the back of everyones head. he has done like zilch to quelch fears and try to be towny. and on top of all that you have matt just chilling, waiting, and just generally being a non issue; fueling my paranoia

idk mang, idk. if we nld id like for us both to be conftown by having game winning hammer today and not hammering. assuming i died, assuming we nl and annoy vi and other dead qt spectators, i'd say go zoro over matt 90% of the time

[Hircine]

p sure zoro is voting matt hito

dis is me not hammertimeing

[Hircine]

vote: zoroaster

now u babe

(xD watch u hammer)

[Hircine]

slut, let me

[Hircine]

unvote

[Hircine]

lets just do it zz

[Hircine]

dang hito b all accurate n shit

whatever. kanye, lets do it. now.
for the aly-oop (thats spelled right, shutup)

run to the hoop and dunk on this jammer; i'll pass...

vote: zoroaster

*looks expectantly as the ball sails over the court 2 u*

[Hircine]

well and truly slamjammed

it was an honor serving with u cyberdwarf

hito!!!

[Hircine]

typical!!!

[Hircine]

i knew i read matt as buttmad over the block. argh, and we knew how vi felt, we just didnt agree. i knew matt was spectating too much but so was zoro dammit!

he just had so many tallies against him it was really hard to even look at matt rationally. classic mistake by me n kanye *buys everyone a b-ball*

thx 4 the game hito