Barkley, Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden: Mafia (Endgame)

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hey yall,,,

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vote shmuger

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i dont wanna see u tryin 2 joediamond around here or nothin, okay buddy ?

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agreed.

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did someone say applebottom

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*w*

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idk seems like a p reasonable request 2 me,,,

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yah that was p dope i guess,

vote benny

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oh huh, youre right. i forgot about vis vote. noice.

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excellent avatar design aesthetics shmugern,

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nachomama can i suggest pasting lebron james face over ur sol badguys ?? imho

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ill be here all day if ne1 needs top tier av modification suggestions,

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youve got a nice anime av 2 vi, suggest slappin some michael jordin on there. bonus points because we can take it as scum claim and lynch u 4 it.

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p sure matts onto something. givin that kid all of my trust~~

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"Kaney's Seal of Approval"

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would do a collabo or at the very least produce on this wagon,

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gamma serious question are you scum?

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*w*

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basically gams what i want to know is why you were hyper defending benmage but also throwing a useless vote onto shmugen and not pursuing it at all instead of trying to find scum in the people who were trying to push thru a speedlynch on some1 you believed did not deserve the lynch so strongl y?

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do you plan on voting matthew ? do you think he is scum or are u just mad @ him?

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There's two parts to the Day 1 MattP Reaction Scheme.

1. Anyone who doesn't buy *insert concept* is scum.
2. Anyone who reacts to the 'relevation' of the concept not being real by yelling at Matt is scum.

It's a tried and tired mechanic.

do you actually believe this.

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z_z

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vote gamma

i knew u could do it gams <3

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SHMUGEN IGNORED THE BENMAGE WAGON LIKE THE PLAGUE

GAMMA POSTURED AND WHITE KNIGHTED BENMAGE ON PG 2 WHEN IT WAS THE ONLY LEAD/THING GOING ON

AND HE DIDN'T ACTIVELY TRY TO FURTHER ANY OTHER AGENDA

...other than Shmugen.

you mean the shmugen vote that he placed with know reason and never talked about again until after the cat was out of the bag and he was asked about why he made the vote with no intention of following it up?

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no fuck this no reason baseless shit.

you look over the posts in the game at the point where I voted schmu and tell me that it wasn't the worst post in the entire game at that point.

no? the thing that is important here is you made the vote, gave no reason and did not follow it up at all then just went back to white knighting benmage. to me this looks like you didnt give a shit about pushing shmugen at all and just wanted to have your vote in an alternate location while you tried to score town points when ben flips town.

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@Schmugen - Am I? Oh dear. Should I ask?

Anyways the Gamma wagon has lost it's appeal.

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Not sure who I'd rather see a wagon on. Gonna take a closer look at a few people and see what I come up with. I don't expect it to take long so expect another post soonish.

what has changed about the gamma wagon that makes it less appealing to you?

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hircine dont be dense.

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think ive seen this vi act b4 but i dont remember if it was indicative of scum or town or just simply vi viing around. im probably better off not playing meta games w. vi imho buit just a warning 2 every1 ill end up doing it anyways

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READS.

I think Matt is scum. Saying me and schmu are scum together and that my first serious vote of the game was on my scumpartner in a 2vs8 game is stupid and lazy, and playing up that I didn't do anything else to further some AGENDA while voting schmugen they way I did is bad and his fakeclaims and voting block posts are filler-content garbage.

Already said Jase looked town and nacho tacking on the 'so if i'm scum my scumbuddy better watch out' IMMEDIATELY after his earlier posts is infinitely more likely to be town than scum.
Schmugen's posts got way better after the first one and I don't want him dead today.

I'd kill kayne if it was a choice between him and pretty much anyone except matt and probably zoroaster who still hasn't actually shown up yet.
Hircine looks more likely to be town from not from just tone of posts plus not actually doing anything I think is scummy while being pretty active and having plenty of opinions on shit

i think i'd kill vi if other scummier people didn't flip scum but despite the hircine switch being stupid paranoia-inducing i don't think it's actually more likely to come from scum than not.
and benmage still doesn't look like scum.

really want gamma dead still. this is like 100% scumagenda or gamma is a far lazier player than i remember him being

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scumgenda*

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what the fuck zooroaster.

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hey matt

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actually nm go for it

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im gonna watch 4 now

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btw can some1 explain jase townread 2 me

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idk i think hes just dense. like im not seeing scumtent (scum intent) there just that your confusing the shi tout of him.

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but roll with it. i wanna see where it goes

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idk i think hes just dense. like im not seeing scumtent (scum intent) there just that your confusing the shi tout of him.

He is either bad or scum and I'd like to see which one it is he's clearly not a seasoned player so I'm sure we can get something and TADA some more D1 info all problems solved

thats why i said i was gonna sit back and watch. but no you keep trying to engage me on the subject,

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"all day i dream about bein meta"- adolf dassler, 2004

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Kanye, it was "busy work" it was something he could focus on for a bit to look like he was doing something that's your scum intent

please use the contraction or i will not acknowledge the point u are trying 2 make

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It is at this point I'm going to stop to ask why the fuck did two pages just happen.

next level posting

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never explains why

Do I look like a fucking poet? Do all human thoughts have a robotic linear progression? I edited that shit heavily. I wanted to convey both my understanding of the situation and my vexation/irritation of it. 1) I think it would have been better if Nacho acknowledged it and confirmed you as his mason partner 2) I think that other shit is unlikely (although a possibility) and Nacho is just being a Nacho and thus screwing up my reads because of it. 3) Overall you a pretty darn strong townread

This game was so fucking airtight people stopped posting and started b-ball roleplaying. You ruined it.

if hes a strong town read what results do you expect out of pursuing nacho to confirm the mason claim and then railing against matthew for it?

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@Schmugen - Am I? Oh dear. Should I ask?

Anyways the Gamma wagon has lost it's appeal.

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Not sure who I'd rather see a wagon on. Gonna take a closer look at a few people and see what I come up with. I don't expect it to take long so expect another post soonish.

what has changed about the gamma wagon that makes it less appealing to you?

i know things are heatin up in here jase but dont 4get this one. thanks. --your pal kayney

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cya matt

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@Jase Gamma is still golden scum you've just lost your fortitude (hopefully) due to a lull in activity.

With his answer to my question the reason I was voting him is pretty null I think. I'll go into it if anyone gives a fuck.

i give a fuck.

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i give a lot of fucks act,

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hircine do u recognize at this point that matthew and nacho are not actually masons and there was never any reason to expect the claim had any validity at all?

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matt is a competent player. thats a kanyesurance (^w~) v

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explain your nacho townread tia.

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Oddly, if I'm wrong about kkb then his vote is the one that's in the right place.

i agree wholeheartedly w. this

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what has gamma done since the heat died off of him momentarily? not a fuckin thing.

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because you didnt have a big wagon on you and disappear as soon as it eased up and also didnt precede that with a whole bunch of scummy and desperate play

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hey shmuger. why would you be happy with a hircine or zorooster vote over a gamma vote ?

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yo hircine why you gotta quote that post when im abt to leverage it

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npz all is 4given

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zorooster

For this I am not upset with you in any way.

(expiration date: five minutes from now)

dont worry ive got more tricks in my bag

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hey vi is your ghost vote still on gamma, keep us updated <3

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ghosts are tough 2 keep track of!

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i dont ever wanna lynch nacho even if hito came in2 the thread and confirmed him as scum.

can you explain 2 me why you think gamma is town so strongly nacho ?

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Real Jam Goin' Down: Gamma, Kanye
Ectocooler?: Jase, MattP?
Chicken Fries: Vi? Nacho?

what happened to these reads shmugen. im trying to follow your reasoning on how you got from there to abandoning gamma lynch, never following anything up on me and moving solidly into hircine/zoo

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just want 2 chime in that if i was strongly opposed 2 the things going on here i would be throwing a fit and trying 2 move ppl back 2wards gamma.

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ilu vi~

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whys nacho dead instead of conftown vi ? esp with his only strong scumread being shmugen?

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believe if theres scum on that wagon its jase, but im gonna have to talk myself out of nacho being a very defensive night kill.

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vote shmugen

btw vi thats L-4~~

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you dont think thats something scum would say abt their buddy? "yes i want him lynched but im not voting him also dont hammer him for 5 days by which time things will have shifted due to boredom with that wagon."

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vi why would zorostar kill nacho? nacho had a pretty solid townread on him and was pushing shmuger pretty hard. what possible reasoning does he have to kill nacho at this point over you who both are confirmed town and have a scum read on him?

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even if he was afraid of a doctor, surely theres still better targets than the person with the strongest town read on you who is actively pushing a very convenient wagon for you.

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More likely the kill was intended to frame that person.

unlikely. everyone knows that no one ever pays attention to night kills.

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thats L-1? aight lets ride it out.

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where im from (the streets) you respond a little bit more firmly when someone cuts u

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i missed where the reason hes being pushed is because hes inexperienced

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btw if zoro is scum he made the safest most pro fakeread on me a scum player has ever made.

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not quite perfect*

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i felt a lot stronger about jase being scum earlier but on rereading the gamma/jase interactions leading up to the votes on gamma im not sure anymore. his dipping from the wagon at first opportunity still has me bristling but :I

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disagree.

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digging your heels in the ground and sticking to your guns is a very scum move here. momentum shifting back to shmugen is unlikely here so its a very safe position for him to hold without having to jump through a lot of hoops and its unlikely to make his situation worse. plus people like you will think that it looks towny.

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@matt*

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to clairfy, i dont think that town wouldnt do it either, but i am merely disagreeing w. it as a towntell

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; - D

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hircines likely town btw because he was the first one onto gamma, and while his vote did stray if you actualy read his d1 he expressed desire to get the wagon going again. also he was right there with me criticizing jase for jumping off the wagon.

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only actual skip in his play was getting so flustered with matt, but i dont think i would attribute that to him being scum.

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zoro why do you think shmuger is scum. how has gammas scum flip affected your certainty of shmus alignment ?

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it has neither strengthened nor weakened the read? have you reflected on the flip at all or are you just autopiloting onto shmugen from d1? also can u answer the first part of my question in 518 ty

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im asking for a summary because i want a restated summary and dont want to pick thru your iso for your points against shmugen

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obvo because i am debating my read on both you and shmugem. would like it if youd be so kind as to help me out here m8

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i guess if youd rather b uncooperative with 1 of the only ppl holding back your lynch and also trying to push things in the same direction that you are u could do that instead.

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Are you trying to intimidate me?

thats an absurd question. why i would need 2 intim. u?

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wolud i*

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tbqh i really wanted 2 hammer him and def considered doing it an hour ago, but i just cant shake my thoughts on the night actions. but yes we agree on his play and the reasons for my questioning him. im happy we at least got this post for it tho so its not a complete waste : )

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LOOK IM GONNA THINK ABOUT IT OKAY.

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but seriously i just dgi why hes actin a fool like this

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v/la from tomorrow until wednesday. should b pohne posting still but im not promising nething

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wth what a piece of shit worthless kill

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im legit mad abt this kill

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rip ben im gonna miss u man :<

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dont b expecting nething from me til wednesday night BTW

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im fine with lynching him but im just getting back into town. wanna reread first and also have a little discussion re the benefit of mc today vs mc tomorrow

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also still very unsold on town shmugern

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vi lets skip to the part where u realize that im town.

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k, great.

lets talk about matt. what do you think about matthew, our dear friend matty. what do you think about his immense town read on my due to "tonal" reasons when he knows that i can fake "town tone". what do you think about gammas apparent irritation with matts little game d1? what do you think of matt bailing from the gamma wagon as soon as the heat was dying?

lets face it, theres no way he should have that big of a town read on me for my d1 shit. i would have played my reaction tot hat exactly the same as scum. now, if he wanted to talk about how i was aggressive towards gamma and never really backed away from that read once he was safe, sure, thats a reason to call me town.

you can answer the first q too if you want matt.:)

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btw not 100% sold on the natural conclusion implied by that line of questioning. its been in the back of my head all game and ive never seen a matt scum game so im not entirely sure what to expect out of him as scum and i remember ppl saying hes p crafty.

i think zoro is town still, but im sure as hell not gonna call him protown. honestly wish i had hammered him yesterday when we had more room to breathe. shmugems still my other main scum candidate, vi is fully conftown, hershine is likely town.

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i reread and decided to express some thoughts i was having. seems like a gr8 time :)

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legit interested in your thoughts on my insinuations up there. pls keep ignoring any thoughts that i might be scum, were not playin that game

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revolution

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matt im paranoid as fuck about it and i gotta get it out so we can go back to being best bros okay

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im just having trouble seeing anyone else being scum but shmugems and everyone is crying town on him so idk man. see yesterday where i froze up on zoro and didnt try to stop the jase wagon when i was starting to swing major town on him.im not freaking happy right now bro

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btw i retract ne notion of massclaiming today. i do however have a question i want to ask instead:

does ne1 have Diabetes or ne notion of Diabetes being a thing in this game?

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I have a question to move things along, anyway. Why are you against the massclaim, Kanye?

??? where did you get that from

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LyLo is bad and painful. If anyone wants to do something to help make it

less

so please say so.

im tryin my hardest

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i dont see the strong opposition you are implying

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i dont see the issue here? im the only one who had mentioned a massclaim and i moved on to dismissing it. how is that a "fair point" please explain zoro

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waiting paitentily 4 a hircine post

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nah, no lynch aint the play today, trust me on this.

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theres no reason to out our last (presumably) pr today.

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vi can you pls explain your shmugen townread 2 me? and also what made you flip on zoro to being town? dont think i saw either explicitly stated in ure iso and im just really, not sure, abt either of them at this point.

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vi can you pls explain your shmugen townread 2 me? and also what made you flip on zoro to being town? dont think i saw either explicitly stated in ure iso and im just really, not sure, abt either of them at this point.

Shmu Town read is primarily because I don't think we wagoned both scum D1 and that Gamma was in too good a position on the wagon for it to be bussing, and frankly I

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believe Shmu can be this bad as Town. If you want to disregard that, whichever.

Hircine pretty much nailed the reason for Zoroaster. I don't necessarily think he's malicious; see post 674.

and this leads to the dilemma im in then. if not zoraster or shmu then who? that least just matt and hircine. hircine is almost certainly town and while there are things i can see that indicate matt scum (as i previously pointed out), i just dont really feel that in my gut like i normally would in this situ.

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i actually think tonights nightkill will be somewhat revealing.

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otoh consider if we lynch today and suppose we have a doctor or a jk or something that can prevent the scumkill. then we are only at 5 tomorrow. clearly superior to no lynch

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think abt what happens if we nl today? likely we lose vi or myself and our lynch pool does not improve. nl is for tomorrow if we cant prevent tonights nk.

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there is no contradiction there please do not press the matter.

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SOrry.

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honestly just wanna lynch zoro imho. ill prob vote him 2nite

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vi how are you rationalizing his being first to pile onto gamma and insistence on returning to the gamma wagon after it died down? dedicated busser in a 8:2 setup?

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Kanyenta

, I realized yesterday, why have you been holding on to your vote for so long?

im incredibly unsure. i want to lynch zoro but i think hell flip town. shmu has so little support ive been questioning that read as a result. everyone else i dont really want to lynch right now.

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vote shmu

i love when scum get nervous as deadline nears.

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i want to lynch shmu but i will settle for zoro if we have to go back that way due to deadline. vi youre gonna have to sell hircine if you want me to consider it.

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im not claiming anything?

also i disagree strongly w. monty halling shmu out of the lynch pool. my qualms with calling hircine scum are that he was the first to vote gamma and felt the same way i did about leaving the gamma wagon. his play does not lead me to believe that he saw the writing on the wall with gammas posting and went for the bus that quickly. and while i have reservations about matt that i explained earlier im not going to accept simply poe'ing him.

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k?

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nah the hall would be switching your choice after the reveal. its still not perfect but now i just really want to think about monty hall mafia. also im outy 4 a few hrs so ill b happy 2 discuss why shmu when i get back

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im not drivin so phone post time: MATT MAYBE I DIDNT MAKE IT CLEAR: IVE BEEN REALLY CONFLICTED ABOUT MY READS THIS GAME

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vi: shmus d1 was bad. gammas wifom did nothing for me (see that post he made where he rolled his eyes at gamma/shmu pair) and the thing that made me commit back to it is his eagerness to drop zoro wagon for hircine.

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elaboration on hircine switch: he doesnt want to have to justify hammer or potentially causing no lynch.

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Call Your Doctor If Your Day Three Lasts Longer Than

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rly dont wanna have to compromise for hircine

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who would you be willing to go for besides hircine vi?ill give you literally anyone else.

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ideally it would be shmugers thio :]

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:I

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vi doesnt work as scum. giving scum in 6:2 full control over one of the lynches seems pretty unlikely to me.

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knock it off. im not the lynch and you know it. youre just wasting time

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i seriously do not want a no lynch.

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id rather lynch hershy than no lynch thats how much i dont want a no lynch

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matt put your vote somewhere useful before you dip out jesus christ

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vi if u lynch shmgeun today i will sheep you on whoever the fuck you want tomorrow.

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Please Lynch Shmugem.

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if you flip town shmuger i am going to be Very Disappointed in You.

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do you not see how moving your vote across literally everyone in the game as soon as it looked promising as deadline loomed with little to no explanation after a day of not really doing much could appear 2 be scummy?

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:I

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were still fine. scums still fucked.

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no lynch

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i am fine either way but id personally prefer to talk abt my shit tomorrow.

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hircine, im not going to be able to give you anything satisfactory today. all i will say at this point is that a lot of my play yesterday was an attempt to draw the nightkill, which obviously failed.

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ilu2

hopef cu 2morrow

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ugh

vote no lynch

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claim time

i am the cyberdwarf. i am a doctor who can only protect a target once, including myself. theres some extra flavor about my doctor shot curing diabetes as well but does not confirm whether that is actually a thing that is in the game or not (i assumed not)

n1 i protected vi
n2 i protected matt
n3 i protected myself
n4 i protected hircine.

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d3 i was trying to doctor crumb as hard as i could in hopes of drawing the kill to myself, giving us an extra mislynch (hence my opposition to no lynching.) it didnt work. my vocal frustration at the beginning of the day about the nk choices was a part of that and also genuine.

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im willing to call hircine conftown and assume i finally protected right for once.

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zoro youd better come up with a good fuckin reason why matt is scum and you arent because honestly id rather matt scum win over you.

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matt please dont even try to play "what about the no kill gambit" games here.

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but fine. here we go, im going to dismiss every possible argument anyone can have about me being scum in one go: read my d3.

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diabetes thing was d3. i was initially going to push massclaim so that i could claim doctor without making it seem like i was gambitting and was just trying to find roles to protect. then i backed off of that and instead decided to drop really obvious breadcrumbs that i was a pr. i knew a protect n3 was going to be a thousand times more useful than one n4 so i was tryin really hard to force it x_x

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btw the bit i claimed yesterday was an attempt to keep the nk off of me and hopefully push it onto hircine

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but seriously, the biggest reason that i am clearly Not Scum is that my play d3 went from "literally everyone but vi (who is basically a dead man for free) thinking im 100% the most town period with reasonable nks in vi and hircine and plenty of mislynches left" to "erratic and drawing lots of attention to myself and severely doubting all of my reads." if i were scum i could have just instead hammered zoro and cruised on into the easiest lylo of my life.

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"Hircine, you're obv in lylo with me instead of kanye because kanye softclaimed a PR so obv he died in mylo, we both know Zoro is scum, you're just having paranoia flakes, keep your eyes on the ball"

You seriously think I couldn't pull that off in a heartbeat? I'm good as scum, good enough to woo the guy that has been singing praises for me all game to vote ZOROASTER. You'd be dead right now if I were scum

this is a good reason to kill zoro. and yes, i do think you are good enough to pull it off.

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oh yeah another crumb i forgot about, d2 you said you wanted a perfect game and i said "nope its not perfect" and shut the hell up when you said "yah only if we have a doctor"

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So Zoro is lynched, Vi is NKd, leaving 4 left. We no lynch and you kill Hircine leaving me, you and Zoro with me being the deciding vote. I was at that point DEAD SOLD on you town, so you wouldn't have had any need to coordinate this doc fakeclaim to clear yourself at the time you breadcrumbed.

correction: it would have been you me shmu lylo but still ez as fuck.

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yes i self protected n3 that was the core part of attempting to draw the nk. my doctor ability is called "insulin shot" and it says it protects from a kill and also cures diabetes which may or may be an aspect of the game.

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btw my inability to protect someone more than once is because the cyberdwarf is bball mutated and theres an entire paragraph detailing it and about why even i cant stand myself enough to be protected twice.props 2 hito 4 that piece of flavor, well written a+.

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sry 4 ur loss.

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np i can chill. wanna see zoro mount some defense at least but tbqh matt has a solid point that id be a pretty obvious kill for him last night.

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matt if he makes any supremely convincing arguments we do have a two week deadline so you 100% will have time for rebuttals

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so.... any thoughts at all? or is that all were gettin out of you?

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zoro can you give me a general ballpark figure for how many games you have either played with me or read where i was a participant?

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b4 i say anything else, heres why were not no lynching: you will die and then it will just be me to decide between zoro/matt. i want you alive so we can discuss who we want to hammer. there is zero point to no lynching besides removing your voice from the lylo equation.

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also yah. that looks hella like a slip to me.

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I usually tend to ignore kayneknowsbest. I just find his playstyle erratic and most of the time he brings up only a few good points that I'm in favor of, no offense. Page 8 is really where this is highlighted.

I don't think he's a bad player, mind you, I just think he's impossibly hard to follow and his playstyle is geared to be anti-town and people just accept it to be fair game. I'm not saying that we should policy lynch him, since I know I'll garner no support nor will it have much success, but I'd rather look for better targets.

this is why i asked you about your experience with me zoro. if you are scum this is literally the safest read i have ever seen scum give on me. this and the n1 kill are the only things you really have going for you. and you dont really have the n1 kill going for you anymore either since its clear the nightkills were pr hunting while trying to hold off on obvdoc target vi.

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if we no lynch you are jsut signing your death certificate. i cant protect you again and theres basically no way im eating the bullet over you at this point. there is zero benefit for anyone in no lynching.

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also no, zoro really hasnt done shit this game but quickhammer and avoid pushing any wagon or posting really at all when the heat was on.

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:I

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I'd like mattp to flavor/nameclaim. kanye some recent things from matt I seriously dont like (i am addressing kanye not you matt please do not respond to this): his charged reaction to my pr claim; stating that i was vt- usually a scumsided mentality there to think about people's

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like that; its like he already had my slot down as vt, like he was already thinking about it and the bluster to my claim was foam from thinking about it previously. His burst of AtE with you particularly starting at http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4456884. Its all very game-y.

believe his reaction is legit. i 100% see matt getting hopped up as fuck if he thinks that someone has slipped. his ate is definitely very atey, but again, i believe that is the sort of player matt is. i see it as pretty genuine.

the thing that matters to me most about matt is the reasoning that would arrive at him killing you over me. the problem is that getting into this territory is very wifomy and its murky as fuck, but applying occams razor it makes the most sense for him to kill me and sweet talk you into hammering zoro after he puts himself into a 1v1 w. zoro. killing you and mucking the water up with a me/zoro/matt lylo is really roundabout and probably a lot less reliable.

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sry, i gave u that face dwi

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yeah thats kind of depressing. i dont really get what you mean by the game being basically mountainous and me being lucky?

i mean, yeah i think the game was probably designed from the mountainous base and trading 2 townies for having our blackout dayvig and once per doc. balance seems reasonable to me on that.

but this goes back to the possible slip from zoro: hes either scum and knows its 2 goons or has put enough thought into the setup to know that balance dictates it should be 2 goons. and he hasnt been posting like thats a thought he would have come up with for the game.

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fyi about matt bussing gamma, id like to point out that he was pretty slow onto the wagon and also pretty fast off of it. its a large part of where my paranoia of him on d3 came from. i went back and reread it though and i think i was wrong about gamma playing like he was irritated with matt's gambit -- i dont think he knew what matt was doing and the perceived irritation is probably just him being irritated at getting caught by it. im really not in love with matt being scum at this point.

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also yah, thats what i mean, our setup clearly inst mountainous. i should elaborate what i meant, i think he started at 10:2 mountainous then traded 2 of the vts out to give us the doc/dayvig. if this is the thing thats making you want to no lynch you really got to dismiss it. if i am scum and pulling a retarded gambit then i just kill you tonight and no light has been shed whatsoever on my claim and were right back where we were, except now i have free reign to hammer whoever i want without talking to you about it.

the reality of the no lynch, however, is that we just lose you as a confirmed townie and i dont have anyone else to bounce thoughts off of and have the responsibility of hammer entirely to myself.

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i prefer 2 make my choices on the assumption that the opponent will make the optimal move rather than hope they fuck up.imho.

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reminder. also really late prod dodge

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hircine are you still firmly in favor of no lynch today?

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imho we just lynch zoro today because i honestly dont see it going any other way, but if you wanna do the thing where we put zoro at l-1 and prove to eachother were not gonna hammer then 'tevs im fine w. that.

vote zoro

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also woops. thought i quoted the latest one and was all dang i really thought we had more time than this but lmao : ]

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unvote

as expected.

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im really tempted to actually ; - )

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btw theres lit. no reason to no lynch now. were doin this today baby.

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alley fuckin oop, slammin that shit in

vote zoro

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give it to us hito. give us the score.

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give us our fuckin rings.

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yeah.

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i shoulda listened to my gut d3 when i realized things about matt didnt add up, but fuck if zoro wasnt begging for rope this entire game.

nicely done matt. wish you had gone with your original plan to kill me n3 <3