20th-Century Philosophy Mafia (Mini 1388) Game Over

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/conform

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can you last plebs confirm already? i'm a cop and i have a guilty i need to out

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VOTE: shos

alright guys lets wrap this game up

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MoI is town

VOTE: Qwintz

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You wouldn't bus obvscum this early

Unless you're just that next level, but I doubt

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don't bash what you don't understand

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Obvscum...

looks like i've found no. 2

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halloween weekend bro

i know i just got back

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grey, are you scum?

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thats an... odd way of defending your actions

wifom central

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@Leafsnail ugh

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you claiming it was a chainsaw is operating under the assumption that MoI had ulterior reasoning to attack you (to defend Grey)

i saw it more as him calling you out on your bullshit

lets end this fool

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And now I juts got a call and must pick up some one... So more coming, but later...

Probably some of the people going after qwint can explain in the meantime, how that guy isn't just a total moron...

so ... idiots can't be scum? i feel like this is a dead horse every time i bring it up

So qwints is utterly terrible as scum (for either purposeful or not reasons) or is utterly confident in being able to claim to get out of a wagon.

if hes not scum, hes town. which one is he and why?

I would legitimately like to see shos lynched and do not think qwints has done anything of particular scumminess.

I could happily land my vote here also.

and now you're lightweight defending him? cmon bro, mixed signals

Odd angle, but ok.

Unvote vote Benmage

please, keep making it easier for me to make a decision to shoot you now or later

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? change your vote, Benmage and MoI

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bzzt

wrong vote

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@MoI you were chainsaw defending (hence the term "lightweight") by attacking Dunham

unless you're implying that hes trying to bus

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how much better are you really when you vote them based on policy? does that actually do anything to forward the game?

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So how does claiming scum and self voting not forward the game?

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Referring to posts without linking them is scummy

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u wot?

you weren't this bad last game, did you pull a different alignment and don't know how to handle it?

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i think it would have been less scummy of you to vote him, instead of a blatant fence sitting "fos".

ftr, i have a hard time reading shos and its why i'm putting off making a definite decision. effectively null

i like MoI's point about "Why are you voting me" though, because i know i've been caught doing the same thing

i support qwints/dunham lynch, but prefer qwints

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so what about shos is scummy?

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appeal to experience is a pretty ass argument

everything else you have said has been invalidated

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ur lucky u have good taste in movies else i'd of already fed your dog chocolate

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I meant in terms of only being able to hunt for scum who might happen to be voting for you, GreyICE.

inte's non-response there should, in a perfect world, more or less lead directly to his hanging.

someones rectum ravaged

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ever hear of active lurking?

hint: its worse than actually lurking

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ok is there anyone who is against a mass nameclaim?

I am. It solves nothing without prior flips

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i could have told you that MoI is an asshat no matter what alignment

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swamped with work right now, activity is going to be low for a couple more days i think

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I'm confused, is this policy or do you see an easier target and want to attack?

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Dunham, who do you feel was justified in ther vote on you and why?

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Inte, just take a peek at your ISO. there's about one post that looks like it helps promote the game in any way at all. it's like active lurking but like reaaaally active and totally not helpful. lots of bullshit and random questions with no followups.

ninja'd by benmage:
holy shit that dude seriously has to go down

you're right

every time i try to read i end up skimming and forgetting what i read so i've been shooting blanks

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prodded

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i actually think shos is scum at this point

i'm still basically on page 5, though

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xisiqomelir feels town

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VOTE: shos

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VOTE: shos

willing to 1v1 (this may be a lie depending on his flip)

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i'm voting him because i feel like he is scum

facts are for those who ignore their instincts

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inte has never won an argument with facts

inte has won games with intuition

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? i can post 25x more games where i do the same as town

cuz i've pulled scum in like 2/30 games and its getting redic boring

go get lynched, flailing scum

more votes

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i find it cute how ur trying to sweat me on things that don't actually matter when i call you out

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shos is scum

projectmatt is projecting to be scum

absta is misguided, but strangely sheeping shos

VOTE: shos

I have another hidden scum read but is dependent on one of these 3 people's flip

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More votes on shos. Now.

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because you are obviously piggybacking on shos' wrongful suspicion from the last day

answer me this, is the person who is trying to look town or the person who isn't trying to look town more suspicious?

i see two people trying too hard to look town and shos is one of them. go vote shos

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Read the wiki, but I want to make sure: this had to be two separate kills, right?

yes. kills generally can come from vig/sk/mafia

who is scum and why isn't your vote on shos?

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because you are obviously piggybacking on shos' wrongful suspicion from the last day

You're basically saying i'm sheeping Shos here. Correct me if i'm wrong.

What makes you say i'm sheeping Shos?

i see two people trying too hard to look town and shos is one of them. go vote shos

Can you give me some examples of this?

Also, why Shos over the other guy?

1) wheres your original thought?
2) shos is more obvious and therefore more concrete

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this is not the town shos i am comfortable identifying

therefore it is scum shos

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benmage?

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project matt is secondary

shos is where its at

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i want comments from Xisiqomelir before anything else comes up

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someone hammer him

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hammer him

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no you should be hammered

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Bodyguard only protects from a single kill. If multiple people try to kill the Bodyguard's target, both the Bodyguard and the protected player will die.

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like i said before, i'm confident in calling shos town if i see it

i don't see it here at all

are YOU scum?

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town shos:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lect=17409

not town shos:

this game

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Bodyguard only protects from a single kill. If multiple people try to kill the Bodyguard's target, both the Bodyguard and the protected player will die.

Which doesn't address my question: what would happen if kill 1 targeted Dunham and kill 2 targeted MoI while Dunham protected MoI?

MoI is protected and Dunham dies

Kills do not stop night actions i.e. in the resolution order they are last

What if a role blocker and vig target each other? The vig is roleblocked

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why implausible? O__o I've seen it happen like twice, and never saw a town bodyguard. if scum have a powerful role or something it then bodyguarding him to protect scum power is an option in a game with a vig; and it can also make the vig find a false trail and lead town into mislynching. why would a bodyguard be town??? it only prevents town from being able to NK analysis, and it can only be useful if the bodyguard actually knows who to protect, since unlike a doc, it doesn't save a kill, it just soaks it...

Bodyguard is usually Town. It makes little sense for there to be a Mafia Bodyguard, as they have no reason to target anyone except a scumpartner; and a Vigilante who finds that their kill resolved on a different scum than they expected can simply shoot their previous target again.

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Shoot benmage. If you don't know why you need to work on your scum game.

When I get time I'll update reads

UNVOTE:

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How can you have such a strong read on Fourtrouble? He's got 6 posts.
Also, if Benmage were trying to save his "buddy", why would he nominate him to get shot?

people second guess night actions all the time

probably hopes his suggestion would go mostly overlooked

ftr FourTrouble+Benmage is looking to be (part of) the scum team, assuming shos is town

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thats not something you want to point out to everyone if you are town .......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

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god this game sucks

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How can you have such a strong read on Fourtrouble? He's got 6 posts.
Also, if Benmage were trying to save his "buddy", why would he nominate him to get shot?

^

ftr FourTrouble+Benmage is looking to be (part of) the scum team, assuming shos is town

inte is so bad. It's not even funny. He's like one of those really shitty comedy movies, where all you do is shake your head.

but i'm not wrong

VOTE: FourTrouble

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how about this, if projectmatt is scum, you can have my vote for the rest of the game

likewise, if fourtrouble flips scum, you agree to be lynched next

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where is this 40% number coming from

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bg doesn't redirect, it blocks. read the god damned wiki on whatever you're thinking about before you post again

where is the 40% number coming from?

FYI shos you've been more anti-town these last two pages than i've been this whole game and your feigned town tells have been the detriment to your credibility

@mod

can you verify that the VC in Post 508 has no errors?

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redirect is the wrong number

a redirecting role is bus driver

a bg blocks a kill from going through, by dying instead

yes bg does harm sk by allowing a stronger town player to live another day.

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V/la over weekend

Court mandated stuff... don't be stupid

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How about if antihero flips scum shoot anyone but me but if he flips town shoot anyone but me.

I don't like how the pretense is me being lynched when all I've done all game is call people out on their shit

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Hmm statistically there are going to be two scum on a towns lynch and one off (assuming shos is not sk)

I'm fine with being lynched as long as one of {FourTrouble, Absta, Benmage, Xis} take the bullet

Preferably not Xis but you can't discount him from how poop his vote on me is

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Although I wouldn't count shos out as sk because of how LolHorroble his attempt to meta me was and his obviously feigned attempt at town tells

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seeing as you're all being dumb enough to want to lynch me, you all are being scummy

my flip

will

justify my actions and you

will

listen to me if you are pro-town

or, you can go ahead and try to downplay what i've been saying to avoid having your scum partners lynched

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what the fuck Xis why would you want to shoot pjmatt

the flip of a bodyguard basically confirms pjmatt as town

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Haha good ol' policy lynch

Such a reliable argument to go back to

How about we lynch shos then? Chances are he'll hit more town and there isn't even proof that he's not sk

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hey yall

i missed my bus back home it'll be another day for v/la

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Benmage's post #5 actually helps town, you know. a tad extra time. but it's a really small tad so I'm not going to consider that a town tell - too easily faked and too little profit.

Not much to say about page 1. at all.

Quintz explain to me please what chainsawing are you talking about in post 36 og page 2.

Is there a relation between the rolenames and the role itself in this game? would mass nameclaiming be any good?

page two looks like main fluff to start the game. MoI seems like the only one who's striving for conversation. the others just talk offtopic. I'll give MoI slight townread for that, but only slight.


Fourtrouble's sheeping. I need a votecount already. can you link us to the game and/or specific places where that thing happened?
I'm getting confused by grayice's repeated jokes and jokes and jokes. It's wierd.
Mr Ree tjat's an excellent way to join the game. /sarcasm

early name claim. scummy. an early name claim can be the most manipulated by scum

you've got an actual read? really? tell me then how is your scumread on me real

arguing others reads rather than forming his own

Vote: Inte

his posts rub me off badly. arrogance coming off of them, and well, as post 167 said.
Mr. Ree's ISO looks exactly like benmages.

voting me for arrogance?? sheeping dunham without actually putting his own input

kay I wanna go to shower so I'm stopping after page 6. so far, MOI looks town, quintz is up there with him. Benmage and dunham look like shit. Leaf is town but less than the others, all the rest are null. If game had no pages 7-9, I'd vote dunham gladly without looking back. off to the shower

his vote at this point is still on me, even though he agrees dunham is being dumb/scummy

GreyICE 166 wonderful. greyice town, mr ree scum. that page is enormous, so many confusing things in it. page 7 that is. finally it's over.

so far I'd rather lynch dunhamganger; Mr Ree is to-be-replaced orr vigbait. no need to waste a lynch there. now page 8.

Greyice continues to be awesome in 178. @MOI 193: total coincidence, lol. well this post also rubs me off of Mr Lee for now.

quintz still town. leaf is too. townhunting in this game seems too easy. scum are either very good or I'm decieved easily >_>

OH! WONDERFUL!! Xis is town. his 'normal PSA' - he doesn't do that when he replaces in as scum. I just finished a game with him (CAH) where he was scum and replaced in. so yay!

hey Xis, can you link me to MOI's completed scum games?



ok done. well.

VOTE: Dunhamganger
I'll run a fake votecount in a sec

he spots that my wagon obviously isn't going to take off and then goes for another now-known town player for posting snarky remarks

meta's xis from one game. meta'd me from one scum game. FYI Lake Mafia basically came down to PoE (I replaced in( and I would have lost no matter what I posted. I only finished the game to be polite. also another FYI, I haven't played a real scum game in almost 30 games. no change here

VOTE: Inte

Inte, just take a peek at your ISO. there's about one post that looks like it helps promote the game in any way at all. it's like active lurking but like reaaaally active and totally not helpful. lots of bullshit and random questions with no followups.

ninja'd by benmage:
holy shit that dude seriously has to go down

votes me for active lurking because school

Fuck it, an inte lynch ain't gonna happen, and what dunham did when he noted that is really easy. should never have unvoted him, VOTE: Dunham and this is L-1.

goes back to Dunham and put him at L-1. but yannoe, he still wants to vote me for basically the same reasons that Dunham posted a while ago

switching benmage and Mr Ree in priorities.

Unvote: Benmage
Vote: Mr. Ree

sheeping post 355 mostly, there's a limit to what I can disregard as derp. Mr Ree is over that limit by far. and I agree with 357.

ANOTHER

sheep vote (and another L-1 one to boot, too). a fake unvote. either doesn't know who hes voting for or doesn't care.

I know that I'm not fully in this game as I usually am in games, but really, I'm hyperactive as both scum and town, so this doesn't mean anything.

I have reason to believe the Benmage is indeed a bodyguard, but a scum bodyguard. I stand by my Mr Ree vote.

Inte, do you have any reasons for voting me or is that just policy cuz I'm not as hyper as always?

this basically the point where its clear as day he is not pro-town.

in the nly scum game of yours I could find ( Lake mafia), you post one liners like here, Inte.

just lettin ya know

... the worst case in all of mafia history

@leaf: I know I wasn't all that hyperactive that I usually am, but since you ask so nicely I'll go over my ISO for you:
I voted Dunham for the first time in 217. as you can see from the next post that I made, this was not jumping on a wagon, since there were three other wagons with the same strength. I voted him because he was my strongest scumread, second to Inte. The only one except me who was voting Inte was dunham himself, so why keep my vote there.
Next I unvoted dunham for his spree of posts. it made me rethink about it, so I put my vote back on Inte. explanation on my inte read you can see in 298 and 302. But that lynch was not going to happen, hence revote dunham in 305.
Then 50 posts later I voted mr. ree for reasons that should be obvious; I kept confusing benmage and dunham in my mind this game, this is why I unvoted wrong. you can see that I also confused in 376, MoI pointed it out I think.
where did I express "regret" on putting him at L-1?? surprise yes, I said Ihad no idea this was L-1; but regret? where did you get that? I specifically said "This time however I will not unvote".

here, for you. VOTE: inte

@qwintz: what wiki? of course it has to be two

@absta:

just search lake mafia

-_-

ohohooho.

now that MoI is gone, reasoning for votes is disappearing like living cats on a highway

doh. hypocrite

Votecount:

projectmatt - 3 - Voting: Benmage, Xisiqomelir, absta101

FourTrouble - 2 - Voting: projectmatt

shos - 1 - Voting: Leafsnail

inte - 1 - Voting: shos

Not voting: FourTrouble, qwints, inte

With 9 alive, it will take 5 votes to lynch.

Day 2 deadline: (expired on 2012-12-01 15:00:00)

is this on purpose?

outs pjmatt's role. would you have pointed this out knowing that there is a BG as a protective role and a double voter?

I think that the inte-qwintz-xis trio is being incredibly anti town. in just three(two?) pages you got two power roles to L-1 with absolutely no reason and got them to claim. and what have you earned from it. nothing.

VOTE: Inte

... how is he trying to deflect this to be my fault???? "low hanging fruit". i'm not active so I can't defend myself

this has not been pro-town play whatsoever. i see no boon for letting shos live tonight VOTE: shos

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then who do you suggest be lynched?

Benmage - sure tons of non contributions and i don't buy fake rage
Antihero - i want more of a feel before i make any judgements
absta101 - doesn't make any real contributions, yet finds time to attack an afk player. sure would like a lynch here
Leafsnail - most towny out of everyone playing right now
Xisiqomelir - 2nd most town
qwints - seems like the only one who defended me. can't tell if its scummy, but i like his claim
projectmatt - no chance in lynching. he will die eventually
shos - i'd like to see dead

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shos is purposely being dense. scum

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please... link these posts where i powerpush any wagon besides yours

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enlighten me.

can't when you're

purposely

being dense

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qwintz is not getting lynched

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SO WHY IS SHOS ALIVE?

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don't shoot unless we hit scum with the lynch

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Anyone have any results?...

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Vanilla town

Go Benmage

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this should be called balls mafia

cause this is balls

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I was hoping for a cop

Like realllllly hoping

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? everyone thinks to think benmage is scum but nobody votes for him anyways

leaf you are obviously scum with benmage, then

VOTE: benmage

i don't think its acceptable to let a player be that much of a non object all game

i don't even remember any of benmages scum reads and if leaf is one of them, then it just confirms my theory

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wrong vote idiot go vote benmage

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hes been on EVERY single lynch zzz...

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thats case enough to lynch him over me

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so you've obviously been pushing only town lynches

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leafs pulling the 'bus the obvious scum teammate to gain town cred to mislynch the next easiest lynch able town for the win'

your 'scum hammer for the win' bullshit yesterday is obviously contrived too, btw

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shos i haven't played scum in 30 games, 2 post march crash

shut the fuck up you dont know my town play is

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do it, you wont regret it

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nein, theres no reason for such obvscum to speak

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rofl

you're killing me shos

Yeah that's true. Then an inte lynch tomorrow I think.

lining. up. lynches.

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He's also an idiot for thinking he can be on every town lynch without repercussions

I called grey out as scum but I can never put a legible case together

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i struggled to keep up with the pace of the game after day 1

in the scope of this game, i was arrested, went to jail for 3 days, went to court, had to do 30 hours of community service, and had 3 midterms to deal with, on top of my regular 25 hour work week and classes

it was just a bad time for me and once i fell behind it was impossible to catch up

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i don't want to reveal too much because if i jump through some hoops i can have the charges dropped and the arrest record sealed

but i was drunk and did some stuff