20th-Century Philosophy Mafia (Mini 1388) Game Over

[Dunhamganger]

Confirm.

[Dunhamganger]

So Leaf, Dun and qwints ... nothing to say at all about Benmage's statement?

Nope!

[Dunhamganger]

Vote: shos

[Dunhamganger]

V/LA

for a couple of days while I wait for my computer to get un-destroyed.

[Dunhamganger]

I would legitimately like to see shos lynched and do not think qwints has done anything of particular scumminess.

In addition, Leafsnail's pretend contributions aren't fooling anybody.

[Dunhamganger]

Hey, shos.

A name claim is a big distraction to scumhunting.

And wow, interesting, some totally unsolicited rolefishing!

Guys, I'm already voting shos. You should, too!

Like this:

Vote: shos

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[Dunhamganger]

Benmage, what are you trying to accomplish by voting yourself. anything gamerelated to say maybe?

I read "gamerelated" as "rolerelated." Which, you know. On the heels of his massnameclaim idea okay fine it was dumb.

Stilllllllllll votin' 'im!

[Dunhamganger]

Rolefish accusation retracted, of course.

[Dunhamganger]

The fact that you claim stupidity in a double post is rather amusing.

someone make an obvscum scumtell and let's get this game going. it's been freakin 120 posts and I fail to construct a single read on anyone in the game nicely.

This is scummy. There is clearly stuff going on. Looking at his iso, I see an inability to express an opinion or take a risk. Let's lynch the scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: shos

I endorse this product and/or service.

shos has repeatedly tried to chum it up with players in this game, has refused to make a post of any substance, and his empty questions read like a player trying to escape notice instead of actually scumhunt.

aq?

[Dunhamganger]

This sentence no verb.

[Dunhamganger]

Referring to posts without linking them is scummy

I thought we agreed to stop claiming scum itt.

Unvote, Vote: inte

[Dunhamganger]

inte took a pointless shot at me for not quoting the posts I was referring to (ironically, without quoting the post he was referring to) instead of commenting on the content of the case.

Sooooooo.

Scum?

Leafsnail's getting there too, since he waited for a cue from MoI to actually vote me after pretending that me not answering his liddle baby question was somehow the end of the world.

[Dunhamganger]

Hey, GreyICE.

Gitcha head outcha ass.

[Dunhamganger]

I meant in terms of only being able to hunt for scum who might happen to be voting for you, GreyICE.

inte's non-response there should, in a perfect world, more or less lead directly to his hanging.

[Dunhamganger]

(P.S. Mr_Ree is a boring, bad vote this early in the game.)

[Dunhamganger]

So what is this? I pressure scum, they crack, and you what? Think there's a rule that "oh the scum voted first, no votebacks!"

This is more or less exactly why I told you to, and I quote, "gitcha head outcha ass."

And what the fuck does this mean?

It means you're avoiding commenting on the ongoing things of interest by sticking to a by-the-books lurker vote.

What is your read on Leafsnail, Dunhamganger?

Literally just addressed this.

Leafsnail's getting there too, since he waited for a cue from MoI to actually vote me after pretending that me not answering his liddle baby question was somehow the end of the world.

Sooooo... more inte-voting?

[Dunhamganger]

lololololololol

From the man that brought you "I'm scum this is a good RVS tactic."

[Dunhamganger]

Here's a quick one:

How is Mr_Ree's lack of contribution any worse than Shadow Dancer's, or MacDougal's, or FourTrouble's?

[Dunhamganger]

ever hear of active lurking?

hint: its worse than actually lurking

No I never heard of that! Thanks for answering my question in such a timely manner, GreyICE!

[Dunhamganger]

You're already lining up a mislynch of Dunham's flip.

Ugh come on.

Who calls them mislynches? Town or scum?

‘rock-solid shos is scum’

If you can quote the post where I said anything approaching "rock-solid" I will give you a hundred real-life dollars.

[Dunhamganger]

Dunhamganger, your read here is off.

Thanks for joining us.

[Dunhamganger]

Curiouser and curiouser.

[Dunhamganger]

@Dunhamganger:

Please answer my question.

The loaded one about shos being town or scum? nty

[Dunhamganger]

If you can quote the post where I said anything approaching "rock-solid" I will give you a hundred real-life dollars.

Scum Tactic Number 31

– When you can’t address the actual case (that your dropping of the shos suspicion looks scummy) instead try to straw-man and nitpick semantics.

Oh.

Hoo, boy.

So when you put words in my mouth, and then I point out that you did that, that someone makes ME look scummy?

I dislike shos's early game play. Hasn't changed. When I made clear the reasons why, inte posted a plausibly deniable attack on my case based on nothing more than semantics. Scummier than shos's early game play. shos had a couple of solid posts thereafter. inte has disappeared except to post utter nonsense. I don't like that shos joined this wagon without commenting on it (especially since he voted for inte in the meantime), but whatever.

I have to admit Dunham is utterly horrible beyond all compare.

Dunham is playing like shit

Just a friendly PSA that this guy claimed scum pre-game.

You're not going to avoid the pressure by ignoring it.

Okay.

[Dunhamganger]

multiple unjustifiable actions

I want to play a game.

Name them.

[Dunhamganger]

I can assume, based on the way this game has panned out, that ALL TRACES OF SUSPICION HAVE EVAPORATED from Mr_Ree's mind concerning Benmage?

- Maintaining a random vote and suggesting it was serious
- Coming up with a reason for that vote long after it was made... and then immediately dropping it after you realised the reason was wrong. But still maintaining the vote with no reasoning
- Sudden jump away from that vote for a bad reason
- Refusing to answer any questions about the above
- Referring to the most basic question possible as "loaded" and refusing to answer it

- I have not random voted in this game.
- I'm not going to read this game for you.
- Wrong.
- Also wrong.
- THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO SPEAK IN CERTAINTIES ARE SCUM BECAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO KNOW WITH CERTAINTY ABOUT THE ALIGNMENT OF PEOPLE ARE SCUM.

This is an incredibly lazy lynch by an incredibly lazy town. inte has not posted in something like 3 pages. Shocked. Shocked.

[Dunhamganger]

You vote actual scum Mr_Ree.

WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ADVOCATING.

[Dunhamganger]

So you were saying about taking “cheap shots” that it’s what scum do again …

I won't be taken to task for things I DID NOT SAY and the fact that you did this again is completely unbelievable.

Oh you were afraid I'd take your answer to be a scumtell.

Bzzt. I don't answer questions asked in bad faith.

Here's the question I'll answer: "What do you think of shos's play so far?"

Well, Xisiqomelir, I think his early-game play was scummy, with his early buddying and joking around with MoI and others, followed by his admonishment to everyone for not posting enough content and then calling for a "obvscum scumtell." His 139 is a positive response to the minor pressure put on him by qwints and myself, and his 144 is where I start to soften a bit. From there he takes Shadow Dancer rightly to task for utterly failing to even try to read all the way through before commenting, (correctly) votes inte, makes a less good post about all of his townreads in 217 and votes me without commenting on it. Then nameclaims. Since then he's been null, except for

Mr_Ree is vigbait, not lynch material.

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which is atrocious on several levels.

Oh wait, nevermind:

dunham should be lynched, benmage should either post more or be vigged or replaced as well. assuming dunham flips scum, benmage is the next lynch imo. and no, I'm not lining lynches, before anyone jumps out of their butts.

That's pretty stupid too.

Still leaning town, but not particularly useful, based on those middle posts. I feel like he's caught a shred of what Magna's throwing around and he's liking how it feels, though he's not getting anywhere.

[Dunhamganger]

This is an excellent question, and you should put it to him directly instead of using it as part of your woe-is-me oratory.

It is not an excellent question. It was not even a question. The idea that unvoting somebody to vote for somebody else means that you are entirely abandoning being suspicious of the person you unvoted is patently absurd.

Also:

Are you telling me that one sentence (with no other comments about ANY of inte’s play) is more scummy than the litany of reasons you ostensible listed in Post 137?

Yup. Book it.

[Dunhamganger]

AND HERE'S WHY:

I posted my reasons why I thought shos's early game play was scummy. inte, instead of offering any kind of opinion on that case, simply said that

the manner in which I posted my reasons was scummy

because I did not quote the posts I was referring to. So, instead of reading the game, or asking me to quote the posts, he simply made a

vague, blanket statement meant to imply that he was suspicious of me without actually saying it

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Ugh, I have to quote a whole dumb Magna post.

Actually, no I don't. I'll just quote this part again:

Just a friendly PSA that this guy claimed scum pre-game.

So you were saying about taking “cheap shots” that it’s what scum do again …

So I've already pointed out that I never said anything about "cheap shots" being what scum do, but also, check out my quote's original context!

I have to admit Dunham is utterly horrible beyond all compare.

Dunham is playing like shit

Just a friendly PSA that this guy claimed scum pre-game.

Apples and oranges. Magna thinks I'm being "hoisted by my own case" because I pointed out that inte not commenting on the

content of my case

is scummy and then I took a "cheap shot" at Grey, but

Grey isn't voting me.

He's just calling my play bad without explanation while tunneling mercilessly on Mr_Ree.

A quick review of the people voting for me:

Magna:

Voting me for unvoting shos, never explaining my vote on shos until right before I unvoted, and abandoning a case he claims I said was "rock-solid" to vote immediately for inte for what he claims I said was "Slap and Tickle Semantics."

Leafsnail

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Unvote, Vote: Dunhamganger.

You ignored my question in #112 and kept doing the same stupid thing before jumping off shos for no reason. MoI has a nice succinct case in #145, go read it everyone.

shos

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GreyICE 166 wonderful. greyice town, mr ree scum. that page is enormous, so many confusing things in it. page 7 that is. finally it's over.

so far I'd rather lynch dunhamganger; Mr Ree is to-be-replaced orr vigbait. no need to waste a lynch there. now page 8.

Greyice continues to be awesome in 178. @MOI 193: total coincidence, lol. well this post also rubs me off of Mr Lee for now.

quintz still town. leaf is too. townhunting in this game seems too easy. scum are either very good or I'm decieved easily >_>

OH! WONDERFUL!! Xis is town. his 'normal PSA' - he doesn't do that when he replaces in as scum. I just finished a game with him (CAH) where he was scum and replaced in. so yay!

hey Xis, can you link me to MOI's completed scum games?



ok done. well.

VOTE: Dunhamganger
I'll run a fake votecount in a sec

qwints

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141 is quite scummy. Shos's buddying bothers me too much to move my vote at this point.

FOS: Dunhamganger

inte, what do you think?

i think it would have been less scummy of you to vote him, instead of a blatant fence sitting "fos".

Dunhamganger is definitely scummy. Just less scummy than shos at the moment. No fence sitting here, just multiple scum reads.

UNVOTE: shot
VOTE: Dunhamganger

You're not going to avoid the pressure by ignoring it.

Mr_Ree

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How are you not voting shadow?

Doesn't look like Ben is coming back anytime soon.

unvote, vote Dunhamganger

There's more stuff from qwints trying to extract content from inte, to no avail. Try the Activity Overview function if you'd like to read more!

So that's one guy with a good reason, one guy who's butthurt I didn't answer a question of his who agrees with that reason, two guys who never said my name in their ISO until they voted for me, and one guy taking great pains to make it look like his suspicion gradually grew to the point where he just couldn't help it! What a great lynch you guys!

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Of course not. Is he here to screw around more and answer questions? No. Why stick with someone who's currently not around. I'm suspicious enough of Grey for doing it. To me it looks like he was going for what he saw as an easy Lynch.

Grey was saying that leaf should vote me. The fact you read that wrong... getting worried?

This.

Is.

Hilarious.

(You're right, though, I did miss that he was mimicking Leafsnail's dopey "actual scum" gimmick. I thought he was talking to you.)

But seriously.

Wow.

[Dunhamganger]

two guys who never said my name in their ISO until they voted for me

Before anyone gets all panty-twisty about this, and on a re-read of shos's ISO:

One of whom is Mr_Ree. Seriously, click his ISO and type "Dunham."

shos did mention me, but only in his post-shower post where he says, and I quote, "Ben and dunham look like shit." That is the extent of his casemaking prowess. This after voting for inte, then getting slapped on the wrist by MoI for doing the same. ISN'T IT WEIRD. ISN'T IT STRANGE.

[Dunhamganger]

Anyone in search of a good hearty chuckle should go ahead and ISO inte. It is primo stuff.

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha jesus what a great wagon.

Benmage, buddy. You look worse than Shadow Dancer.

So you calling shos scum was a certainty

earlier was ok but when Xis asked you about it now …

ugh ugh ugh.

It's clear from way more than this that you didn't read the majority of the things I posted on the previous page.

Dunham, who do you feel was justified in ther vote on you and why?

I think MoI at least built a case, and though I disagree with most of its methodology/logic it still seems in good faith.

No one else has come close. Mr_Ree would be the worst offender, obviously, if Benmage hasn't just abused his limited access to throw a vote on the largest wagon for self-acknowledged town cred in MoI's eyes. Leafsnail is being petty and lazy and qwints just the latter, while I don't really understand what shos is doing.

[Dunhamganger]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH MR_REE JUST INVOKED THE HURRICANE AS A REASON WHY SOMEBODY ISN'T SCUM.

This wagon will turn out fine as long as people read the posts I made on the page previous and actually consider who's voting me and why they said they did.

I'm Hannah Arendt. I'm a Bodyguard.

MoI's alarmism about me "outing a town power role" by claiming dovetails nicely with the whole "banality of evil" thing.

If I had to call a shot for scumteam right now it's inte, Leafsnail, and either Benmage or Mr_Ree.

Yeah, fuck this. You are such a fucking cheeky scumbag you think you can get away with just going "Ugh ugh ugh" and fucking handwaving and it means I'm wrong.

No; you're wrong because you lack the patience or the reading comprehension necessary to take off your blinders. I address most of your points fairly in depth and you still managed to put words in my mouth and read what you wanted, so congrats I guess.

[Dunhamganger]

*addressed most

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OTOH I'm this close to just policy lynching Dunham for being angry that Benmage got caught in a major natural disaster.

There's a pretty wide gulf between what I actually said and how you rephrased it. It's like a sub-theme in this game.

Yet the one you're voting has just you on his wagon,

and many people consider him town.

And the wagon which has two votes on it you are ignoring, I suppose because it's a "boring, bad vote"?

Can you tell me more about Leafsnail-scum, because GreyICE has said the same thing and I'm finding it hard to see.

1. Name them.

2. Ugh. Stop it. I called it a boring, bad vote when Grey was voting for him instead of commenting on the beginning of my own wagon and my post about inte. Also before Mr_Ree had done much of anything period.

3. I can.

I'd like to draw everyone's attention that Shadow Dancer was posting plenty until three days ago.

Then I called him scum in #228

. He apparently decided to stop posting in this thread altogether, even though he's still around onsite. I sure hope he has a good explanation for this when he gets back!

Unvote, Vote: Dunhamganger.

You ignored my question in #112

and kept doing the same stupid thing before jumping off shos for no reason. MoI has a nice succinct case in #145, go read it everyone."

See? That's not really scumhunting. That's pretending to produce results by portraying yourself as the catalyst of catching scummy behavior.

[Dunhamganger]

Now that Dunham has claimed, I'm looking for scum. Anyone who hammers now is lynch-bait.

Unvote, Vote: Mr_Ree

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A. You are not looking for scum.
B. Realizing that made me realize you have not looked for scum all game.
C. If you think that anyone who hammers me is "lynch-bait," why are you still voting me?

It pains me to let inte alone since he's literally done nothing to deserve it, but enough is enough.

[Dunhamganger]

I've read this 5 times and I still don't understand what your point is.

That I think you're scummy?

[Dunhamganger]

k duder

[Dunhamganger]

Three others know my alignment.

...what?

[Dunhamganger]

Oh, was inte scum?

Interesting.

[Dunhamganger]

AARGH NO WHY WOULD YOU LIE TO ME DEAD QT .