Mini 1403- Happy Tree Friends - Game Over

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HAY GUISE

VOTE: d3x

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I would rather lynch benmage.
He seems suspicious.

^How so?

I don't know.

can we kill this with fire pls

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VOTE: syndromeofadown

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^ uhm what?
thats just how syndrome gets down means nothing

WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING HIM

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disagree with this danfloor wagon; he's likely town

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Dannfloor are you an alt?

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Well.... anyone want to claim that vig?

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Vote: Calcifer

Well.... anyone want to claim that vig?

Uhhh... "Brutally murdered" is usually a scum (i.e. SK) kill flavor.

Why did you automatically assume vig?

SK or scum having daykills seems unlikely to me if they also have nightkills.

I also didn't know/don't give a shit about "usual" kill flavour.

derp, wrong account

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hydra

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Oh fuck, haha I get it now.

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its happy tree friends....flavor isnt going to lead you to shit.

Uber ive been waiting for people to play the game for me....soooo get on with that

huehuehuehuehuehuehue

let's look at your iso this game, and then look back at you telling others to play the game

ehehehehahaha

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Dannfloor are you an alt?

Answer my question please dan

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VOTE: Seanald

YOU GONNA ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE GAME BRAH?

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He will not,

Why is it okay that he won't contribute?

this pressure vote blows.

Only because nobody jumped with me.

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Nothing's being ignored here, and Seanald isn't lurking. He's posting, but not doing any scumhunting or analysis.

The wagon on dannfloor and his replacement is bogus anyways, so we're not down with that wagon.

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yes i want someone to explain to me using small words and diagrams why kthxbye is town

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You are painfully retarded.

Because I wouldn't assume that mafia could make a day kill...

Neither did I.

so the assumption that someone jumping too quick in to talk about the kill, and in a really big "Hey this totally wasn't me, nudge, nudge, wink wink" screams SK to me. Do you have any reason to think that he would be scum instead? Because it wouldn't make sense logically.

What doesn't make logical sense is assuming the first person to post is responsible for the kill. Everyone knows it's impossible for a town player to log in shortly after the kill's been posted, right?

Everyone knows that town players will purposely refrain from posting first after there's been a kill, because the wiki says it's a scumtell, right?

HUEHUEHUEHUE OH WAIT NO YOU'RE A FUCKING MORON

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Whoa I haven't posted in a long time

Yep and you're still useless.

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Everyone lay off Yamahako. He's not scum just derp

Why, specifically, is he not scum? What specifically has he posted that makes him town?

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I'm liking the idea of a yamahako-syndrome-benmage scumteam right about now.

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Oh wait, sorry. Strike BM from that list, I was confusing syndrome with seanald.

Time to re-read more carefully.

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power role like evidence

You're claiming daycop? I don't buy it.

I say we lynch yamahako to see a flip.

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BM's logical leap is tenuous at best, and there's been lots of scummy things posted in thread. But somehow this tenuous logic is the only thing he can muster a vote for?

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I'm against this wagon. Other head can hammer if he wants to.

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^Which head is in favor of No Lynching than?

Please quote where I said I was in favour of no-lynch.

@WT

you also ignored my request here:

BM's logical leap is tenuous at best, and there's been lots of scummy things posted in thread. But somehow this tenuous logic is the only thing he can muster a vote for?

Again this is one aspect. When looking at the slot, vs any alternatives this is the slot I'd like to lynch.
-Can you please list me your top 3 scum suspects with bullets why.

What's more disturbing is the total lack of any substantial content from you this game, especially after complaining about Seanald so early: post 84

Oh, are we playing the Hypocrite Game now? Let's talk about you defending Seanald's lack of content (and giving him tacit approval to continue not contributing). And you're calling me scum?

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i'll hammer tomorrow am/later tonight if nobody else has

still disagree with this wagon

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D1 reads are probably shit anyways. Flip will reveal much.

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VOTE: Syndrome

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all of this ^

all of that what? what about it?

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No f that... I lean town there.

Unvote vote kthxbye

unvote vote Seanald

zzzzzzz

how is seanald town

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Me, Yamahako, and Uberninja are masons.

As for why we didn't claim yesterday, I don't know. Probably wouldn't have hurt at all. But there, 3 confirmed town.

It's only confirmed town if you can prove it to the rest of us. Saying "We are masons lolsss conftown" doesn't confirm shit unless you're suggesting we lynch one of you to prove it, and I'm not really prepared to do that at this point.

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O shit snacks just exposed the last three scum

What?

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No srsly explain what you meant.

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3 Masons is disgustingly powerful.

I agree, which is why in a 12p game, having only 3 scum seems kinda weak. So I'm still searching for an explanation as to why there was no kill because I feel like there ought to be a 4th scum out there who could have submitted it.

I mean I guess we've already lost a doc, but maybe there's an RB or a JK out there.

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(I support a massclaim, tho. popcorn?)

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Whats the worse case scenario here in lynch Syndrome? It confirms Yam/UN, aye?

If we're going to lynch one of them, then the three of them should let us know which one to lynch in case one of them has extra powers other than being a mason.

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But I think I'd still rather lynch chickenfish because I believe the mason claim.

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VOTE: chickenfish

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Whats the worse case scenario here in lynch Syndrome? It confirms Yam/UN, aye?

If we're going to lynch one of them, then the three of them should let us know which one to lynch in case one of them has extra powers other than being a mason.

Also if there is a cult and it's the 3 peeps who claimed masons, then they don't have a nightkill so they can't possibly win by tomorrow.

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Not going to claim flavour as well?

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However, do please vote to modkill chickenfish.

I don't... really think you can do that.

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(unless scum want to confirm us)

That's not how it works. Scum aren't the only ones who want to confirm townies and trying to frame it as "skeptics = scum" gains you absolutely zero townpoints.

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I think he will comply(especially if we all voice it, so please do so). He said it himself such a slot should've been modkilled. To expect us to waste a lynch on a completely unreadable slot, at this point in the game and have another night is simply ridiculous.

I agree with the ridiculous part.

mod: will a modkill end the day?

And WT, instead of asking the most blatantly obvious town member for flavor... wtf haven't you claimed when you are #1 on the chopping block after a slot that has 1 post the entire game...

I suggested popcorn, nobody objected, was waiting for you to nominate next. Relax.

VT, Cro-Marmot. Caveman in a block of ice. Don't really do much but cute animals die around me which is awesome. Seanald next.

Limited doc = blocks cult recruit?

I understood this to mean X-shot doc.

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Misdirect all you want

Make unclear post, someone misunderstands, accuse them of misdirecting.

Asswipe.

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Everyone lay off Yamahako. He's not scum just derp

I don't want to explain exactly why but I have evidence he is town so just trust me for now.

I think we need to begin today with Syndrome And Yam full claiming.

lol fuck no

I read teh game last night and they are both in the "super town" list along with you and tsunami

WT Snacks is also pretty high up there.

that leaves... *drumroll*

Vote: kthxbye

Based on the timing of these posts I think the cult scenario is extremely unlikely.

BM is obvtown, so from my perspective scum is one of {tsunami, chickenfish, seanald}. Happy to lynch chickenfish. If mod indicates that he gives a shit about us voting modkill, then I will vote for that.

If he flips town you guys can lynch us if you want (Zoidberg has been doing 90% of the posting and takes full credit for shitty reads on two flipped scum).

Promise that you will lynch Seanald before you lynch Tsunami.

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Looking at BC's "reads" I'm starting to think it might actually be Seanald. Despite BM's defending him early-game he's really posted pretty much fuck-all in the way of analysis.

Secondly:

Town:
Benmage

Calcifer

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Null:

kthxbye

Uberninja

chickenfish

Leaning scum:

Syndrome

Tsunami

Scum:
Seanald

Yamo

I could totally see BC putting his scumbuddy in the scum column next to town-yamo as a hedging-his-bets scenario, and also to provide cover in the event he is lynched.

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apparently people voted for it not to happen

Certainly wasn't us.

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If anyone wants, we can claim whenever, so just let us know if you don't want to wait

No, go ahead I suppose. I just wanted him to go first beacuse he's one our scumreads.

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K then wtf are we waiting for? Wagon chickenfish.

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for WT to eat rope.

Incorrect read is incorrect.

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Wt UN ans seanald, please vote to modkill chicken.

Until you know the mod will actually give a flying fuck about "votes to modkill" then this is a worthless suggestion.

I've already made it clear if the mod says yes then I will vote it.

I've already bolded my question to the mod asking if he will count these votes.

Until we get a mod response, you're just going to have to wait.

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you are bad... just bad at this.

Hey fuck you, asshole.

Just for that, I

am

going to wait until the mod comes back.

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It's probably because wt is the last scum

Whatever, scum. Claiming cop was a good gambit. The only reason I'm not voting you is because chickenfish being town leaves no-kill unexplained.

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Whatever, douchebag. Enjoy the wait or replace out.

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TL,DR: If we don't lynch a mason today, Scum HAS to night kill a mason tonight (or lose), which will give us TWO confirmed townies tomorrow.

My scenario requires the lynching of a "mason" because if they are cult and we don't lynch now, we lose.

Do you

really

think there's a cult? Look at Syndrome's claim D1. Cult leader would not have been able to know if they were scum or town.

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This is stupid.

Modkill: chickenfish

I'm pretty confident that Seanald is scum going for a gambit here. He was inactive since the 2nd till today so that would also explain the lack of a nightkill.

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This is stupid.

Modkill: chickenfish

I'm pretty confident that Seanald is scum going for a gambit here. He was inactive since the 2nd till today so that would also explain the lack of a nightkill.

Oh other head, you so crazy

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Well whaddya know, we have to wait anyways.

I BET NOBODY FUCKING SAW THAT COMING.

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I'm pretty confident that Seanald is scum going for a gambit here. He was inactive since the 2nd till today so that would also explain the lack of a nightkill.

This is false. Seanald posted during D2, and early D3. He was only inactive toward the end of D1, a non-factor in regardless to last nights no kill.

WT if you want to prove yourself not bad, check your facts. Or keep flipping out at me.

Hi maybe you could learn to read. He said "the 2nd" as in "the 2nd of the month", and that is true.

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Also want a full claim from Seanald

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Whatever. Cults = bastard roles.

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Look at UN. He was all up kthx's ass, he looks less interested by his last post. Someones win condition change last night?

If UN was recruited then he was recruited N1.

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Even lynching Seanald is a better plan, because it (in theory) confirms two of the four other townies as well - (you and Tsunami), if he's telling the truth.

So what's more likely? Seanald is lying about being a cop, or UN, Syndrome, and I are lying about being masons? If you wanna test someone, test Seanald.

Agree 110%, I really doubt the existence of a cult.

Assuming there's no chickenfish replacement, then I actually think lynching Seanald is the smart move here, because we'll get two flips when chickenfish is modkilled.

If Chickenfish flips town and Seanald flips cop, then as mentioned, we have 2 confirmed townies plus the 3 probs-town claimed masons. If one of them flips scum we almost certainly win.

Further, if we assume for a minute that Chickenfish is town, then Seanald's claim would be the correct play to make for a scum gambit. Consider:

-Our slot was not on either scum lynch
-BC buddied up to us pretty hard
-A large portion of the living players have listed us as scum reads

Now he wouldn't claim a guilty because then it's a one-two punch: lynch us, we flip town, he gets noose the next day. And it would be absurd to fake a guilty on benmage who I think is obvtown.

But by "clearing" BM and tsunami then when we flip town Seanaldscum could claim that he hadn't investigated us yet and then go for the "there must be a cult" or "masons are lying" or "there is a godfather" angle(s), possibly dragging the game out further.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Seanald

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@mod do you mean the end of this calendar day, or do you mean the end of this game day with regards to the mod kill

I understood this to mean "game day" but I suppose it bears clarification.

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WT Snacks needs to die, and I will be his reaper

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Yuup, WT is scum yo.

uhm full claim goes like this LOLOL.

Im The Mole. Whats that Mean??? IM A BLIND HIDER.

WHATS THAT MEAN???? I randomly hide behind people during the night to be protected.

HOWS THAT MAKE ME A COP OF SORTS?????? If I hide behind a scum or someone who was killed I die. I get to stay alive if the person I hid behind is TOWN.

N1 was Benmage thank god, Night 2 was Tsunami.

See now, this is actually the kind of info that could have saved us 3 pages of arguing because it's an alternate explication to the lack of a nightkill.

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Why on earth would scum want to target seanald night 2, if that is even the case why nobody died?

All I'm saying is it's an alternate explanation. I didn't comment on whether it was plausible or not.

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Oh for fuck's sake.

Now this slot who's been allowed to coast through the entire fucking game with only a single post is here and we're deprived of our two flips.

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Oh for fuck's sake.

Now this slot who's been allowed to coast through the entire fucking game with only a single post is here and we're deprived of our two flips.

You say "we" like you are one of us

Again: reads, bad, etc.

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So... I feel as though the chickenfish slot should be modkilled, since the day ended before the replacement came in.

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I mean we specifically decided on that plan of action because we expected to get 2 flips, and to shove in a replacement at the 11th hour seems like a bad way to go about this. At the very least we should be able to un-hammer seanald.

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No, actually, if CES is scum then town loses.

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Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum

We voted Seanald under the assumption that we'd get two flips rather than just one.

However we're left with 2 masons + 2 conftown leaves only one left to vote.

Mod must have not mod-killed chickenfish since he was the last scum.

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also gg

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Us being scum makes no sense unless you're suggesting we purposely submitted no action as a gambit so that we could try to pin it on chickenfish's slot.

The other alternative is that we tried to kill seanald when he hid behind someone.

But:

1. As scum we want a townie who won't be lynched to tunnel on.
   
2. Go back into the game, I've been on Seanald's ass for not producing content from d1. If I was scum I'd be shooting someone else
   
3. Why would I kill the player I listed as my scumread? I'd kill people who listed me as their scum reads.
   
4. We have the 2nd most posts after benmage and you can go look at my posting times to see that I hadn't been absent from the site during the night phase.

So it should be obvious that our slot:

1. Has no reason to have shot Seanald, which means scum submitting no action is likely
   
2. Was active on-site during night phase, posting in other games

The remaining possible explanation for WTscum is that we purposely submitted no-action, pinning our game on the hope that chickenfish would not be replaced. Does that seem like a likely strategy?

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So Yamahako you think we purposely didn't submit a kill?

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So Yamahako you think we purposely didn't submit a kill?

Or you targeted Seanald

Well, which is it?

I've already explained why those are both implausible scenarios.

UN told us to lynch you today (last night), and since he was pretty much dead on the whole game, I'll go with his instincts

You know UN is not infallible, right?

But I'll tell you what, I'll

Unvote

for now, and let you and CES claim.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4624053

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Or you targeted Seanald

Why on earth would we target Seanald for a kill?

If WTscum would kill anyone it would have been UN who was on our asses most of the game. Us targeting Seanald doesn't. make. sense. as. scum.

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If CES flips town I will self-vote tomorrow.

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So Yamahako you think we purposely didn't submit a kill?

Or you targeted Seanald :-/ If for no other reasons than setting up the "I was on his case, scum is trying to frame me!!!!" argument the following day.

That makes zero sense. You do realize that Seanald was lynched right?

UN told us to lynch you today (last night), and since he was pretty much dead on the whole game, I'll go with his instincts

But I'll tell you what, I'll

Unvote

for now, and let you and CES claim.

Or you targeted Seanald

Why on earth would we target Seanald for a kill?

If WTscum would kill anyone it would have been UN who was on our asses most of the game. Us targeting Seanald doesn't. make. sense. as. scum.

I think it's pretty obvious that CES killed UN as a desperate ploy to frame us. Right before the day ended UN was all over our case. Looks like CES didn't take the time to understand the entire situation, as it was a stupid move to kill a mason which guarantees town win.

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You're just closing your ears and going "la la la wifom I can't hear you la la la" because you can't admit the possibility that your reads are mistaken.

CES's slot is only null because it had a single post before being replaced. And of course we're scummy compared to 4 conftown players. It's all relative.

Stop being bad and just vote CES.

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It doesn't MATTER whether Seanald was lynched, because this would have happened AFTER you targeted him for your nightkill.

eheheahahaha you think we targeted seanald for the night kill? That's the theory you're working with?

huehuehuehue

There's no scum motivation for us to shoot seanald. There's lots of scum motivation for us to shoot other players. Putting your fingers in your ears and pretending logic doesn't exist won't change reality.

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IS THE GAME OVER?

WE ARE TOWN

GG