Mini 1409: Storm of Songs (GAME OVER)

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what's up what's up what's up in the hizzy

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first of all

unvote

reck just asked me to replace in, I'll read the game tonight. it's not too long so I should be able to get reads and revote

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only through the first eightish pages, but I'd be pretty happy lynching GNR

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if Agar is scum, he's scum with quadz

but I don't think they are

Zoidberg is null to me, as of now.

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vote GNR

let's do this

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WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS

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dude... count the votes

it's not that hard

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you know nothing

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YOU GET THE FUCK BACK ON THIS WAGON RIGHT NOW

DON'T MAKE ME COME BACK THERE

I WILL TURN THIS CAR AROUND

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and that kind of stuff above that tripod is saying is pointless fluff stuff that is unnecessary and doesn't help move the game along.

oh shut the fuck up

we're wagoning GNR right now and it is going to get us valuable information, of which we have none right now

do not respond by saying how town you think GNR is because I don't give a fuck about your reads

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tl;dr you don't know anything

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can we really swing a kthx wagon today?

show of hands?

*raise hand*

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I'm fine with either of the leading wagons

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so how about that GNR lynch

feeling kthx for GNR buddy atm

vote kthx

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that may be, but we can only do one lynch at a time

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...so how about we not mass claim on day 2

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because all it really does at this point is help scum kill off PRs

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uhhh or mass claim causes PR blocking in the case of a scum roleblocker

this being a reck setup, I don't think mass claiming is a good idea at this point because it could buttfuck town PRs

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I find this disquieting

BBmolla is experienced enough to know these things

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congrats, you broke the code

now let's lynch this scumfuck

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...you obviously

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wait, hold up

unvote

I always do this. I always get into an argument with a dumb loudmouth. And they're never scum. This is just following a pattern. I need to reread. My main reason for suspecting kthx was that his hammer read to me as "let's end discussion before GNR indicates his buddies" but maybe that's just how he rolls

ughhhhh

brb reread

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scum RB is not an uncommon role, and given the number of likely PRs, it's not out of the question for there to be one.

why are you willing to allow one nullified and one dead town player EVERY NIGHT if there is one

that's a really dumb gamble

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also the number of kills opens up the possibility that there's an SK in the mix and LOLNOPE to the SK getting to help take swings at the PRs

massclaiming is bad news bears

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no? I just said I don't think you're scum

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oh, yeah, that was in regards to BBmolla's 675

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I mean

that's not an unreasonable setup actually

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you are proposing a more efficient way to get our PRs killed off before lylo

that is what you are doing

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you'd rather not claim first, or you'd rather not claim at all?

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I don't want him to get quickhammered, so I'm not going to vote him yet

but I intend to vote for fourtrouble when this discussion is done

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you'd rather not claim first, or you'd rather not claim at all?

I don't see a point in me claiming at this point in time unless there is a general consensus that I should.

we just spent the last couple pages talking about mass claiming because you were going on about how great of an idea it was

we had a few back and forths about it...

...is this ringing a bell?

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you'd rather not claim first, or you'd rather not claim at all?

I don't see a point in me claiming at this point in time unless there is a general consensus that I should.

we just spent the last couple pages talking about mass claiming because you were going on about how great of an idea it was

we had a few back and forths about it...

...is this ringing a bell?

Mass claim =/= just me claiming

Is this a hard concept or something

If we're mass claiming obviously I'll claim, if I'm just claiming for shits and giggles I fail to see the point.

Am I missing something here?

it's hypocritical that after you talking about how good of an idea mass claiming was you weren't willing to participate. it seemed like that's what you were saying.

I don't really want you to claim though. I'm just pointing out that you contradicted yourself.

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upon reread, it looks like on D1 he was just bouncing around his vote with no actual reason. it looked a bit like he was trying to derail the GNR train to me as well.

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fuckit

vote FourTrouble

L-1 claim etc.

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BB and Zoid, that's who you guys should take a look at.

well you're not dead yet

why those two?

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is that because you're his buddy?

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I mean either that or you slipped knowledge of a 3-man scum team

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Considering that I'm not going OH MY GOD HOLD UP LET'S LYNCH QUADZ it's a pretty safe bet that I'm not putting a lot of stock in that "slip"

I've seen a lot more town get lynched for "slips" than scum. I was just pointing it out.

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unless someone unvotes, we already have Zoidberg intending to hammer

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cuz he's sk

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so what you're basically saying is "I refuse to contribute"

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SAD. Reads. Now.

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your play this game could not be more different from Author Mafia

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because you're scum?

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because your GF got lynched D1?

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because you're scum?

because your GF got lynched D1?

Do you seriously think I would be lacking motivation because GNR-partner got lynched and literally 3 townies died during the night, one of which was a cop?

Regardless, if you notice I got demotivated around mid-day1 anyway.

Lack of motivation my ass. You were motivated enough to submit a night action...

Well if I was scum, of course I would submit a night kill anyway?

are you scum? be honest

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oh ok

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psst 4T if you're town you should actually say stuff maybe you could actually help your team

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well then

kthnx, do you have anything to say about last night?

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...

vote quadz

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He assumed 2 teams instead of 10 2 1

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unvote, vote Om

don't vote quadz. never vote quadz again. you are an anti-town scummy scumfuck if you vote quadz. let it be written, let it be said.

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I targeted UT both nights, but was blocked N1.

Since when are inventors told when they're blocked or not?

I tend to tell my players if their action is unsuccessful. just for example.

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^there's our scum

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EVERYONE

YOU'RE ALL SCUM

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I'm a strongman vig

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Shot bbmolla and levi.

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Which, imo, makes a scum jk super likely

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Bp scum is also likely, so I could buy stock in a zoid lynch as well

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But scum look at that list and see bp as the biggest threat, fyi. Think it's kthx right now.

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because he was fuckin scum

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are you just probing to see if I suspect you're his buddy?

it seems pretty irrelevant to me WHY I shot him. the important thing is what that means regarding living players.

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No that is not why I'm probing

I want an answer from you, and that does have an affect on what I think of certain living players.

Now stop avoiding the question and answer me.

because of the mass claiming shit. his "points" against kthx were scummy. just a generally scummy scum scum vibe I got from him.

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Agar - Scum

I know I'm behind the times while saying this, but looking through his ISO, out of 35 posts, 2 (maybe 3) actually seem like trying to scumhunt
The rest of his posts seem more like showing his dislike on his wagon or commenting on small things

BBmolla - Leaning Scum

Don't really know what to say here. Most of his posts are either tunneling me or Agar or making comments about those. Doesn't really seem like scumhunting, more like gutchecking than anything. Also, what's up with the emus? More of a null read, but leaning scum because I get a bad vibe from them

CyberBob - Leaning Town

Posts seem genuine enough, though they seem like BB's, mainly comments, not so much of anything else. More of a gut read than anything
Curious as to how he came to the conclusion in post 344. Nothing before it says anything about quadz

How did you come to this?

d3x - Town

Actively scumhunting and actively involved. I also get a good vibe from the posts. Nothing seems fake.

DeasVail - Town

Scumhunting and active in discussions. Another ISO with good vibes from it

FourTrouble - Leaning Town

FT is scumhunting and commenting on the game status when around. He does seem a bit too much defensive though
Also explains his reads

Kthxbye - Leaning Town

Had as a town read through most of the ISO, but some of the recent posts, particularly votes, seem off. In particular, the Om vote seems out of place

levianthan93 - Leaning Town

Other than trying to read the beginning posts, levi comes off as town to me. Post 124 with the post counts seems really odd to me. Like he was trying to look like he is involved, but other than that, town

Om - Leaning Scum

Some his posts seem forced, particularly 194. I'm just getting bad vibes from the slot

quadz08 - Town

His post style seems odd to me, but I've seen enough of his games to know thats his style. Involved in discussion

Ser Arthur Dayne - Leaning Scum

Most of his posts are wagon votes. Others aren't really part of the discussion. More of a null read

Zoidberg - Leaning Town

His posts seem town, but for some reason, I get a bad vibe from them. Not enough to call him leaning scum, but its there.

Let us examine this post

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cuz he's a scum watcher

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NIGGA PLEASE

DO NOT MAKE ME SHOOT YOU TONIGHT

I WILL SHOOT YOU SO FAST

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quadz quadz quadz

you're scum TOO

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Agar - Scum

I know I'm behind the times while saying this, but looking through his ISO, out of 35 posts, 2 (maybe 3) actually seem like trying to scumhunt
The rest of his posts seem more like showing his dislike on his wagon or commenting on small things

BBmolla - Leaning Scum

Don't really know what to say here. Most of his posts are either tunneling me or Agar or making comments about those. Doesn't really seem like scumhunting, more like gutchecking than anything. Also, what's up with the emus? More of a null read, but leaning scum because I get a bad vibe from them

CyberBob - Leaning Town

Posts seem genuine enough, though they seem like BB's, mainly comments, not so much of anything else. More of a gut read than anything
Curious as to how he came to the conclusion in post 344. Nothing before it says anything about quadz

How did you come to this?

d3x - Town

Actively scumhunting and actively involved. I also get a good vibe from the posts. Nothing seems fake.

DeasVail - Town

Scumhunting and active in discussions. Another ISO with good vibes from it

FourTrouble - Leaning Town

FT is scumhunting and commenting on the game status when around. He does seem a bit too much defensive though
Also explains his reads

Kthxbye - Leaning Town

Had as a town read through most of the ISO, but some of the recent posts, particularly votes, seem off. In particular, the Om vote seems out of place

levianthan93 - Leaning Town

Other than trying to read the beginning posts, levi comes off as town to me. Post 124 with the post counts seems really odd to me. Like he was trying to look like he is involved, but other than that, town

Om - Leaning Scum

Some his posts seem forced, particularly 194. I'm just getting bad vibes from the slot

quadz08 - Town

His post style seems odd to me, but I've seen enough of his games to know thats his style. Involved in discussion

Ser Arthur Dayne - Leaning Scum

Most of his posts are wagon votes. Others aren't really part of the discussion. More of a null read

Zoidberg - Leaning Town

His posts seem town, but for some reason, I get a bad vibe from them. Not enough to call him leaning scum, but its there.

I actually just meant why don't we re-look at this post since a lot of these players have flipped and we know the alignment of the giver of reads.

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but Om or Zoid, yes?

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I think it's either KJ or Zoid today, and tbqh I'd rather not lynch a potential bp townie

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You are a doctor + roleblocker

A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target.

BBmolla died because protection does not stop Strongman.
UT can shoot because roleblocking does not stop Strongman.

depends on the wording. the way I word JK is that the targeted player cannot take any actions that night. strongman ignores protections.

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so I suspect what happened last night is that kthx jk'd bbmolla. Molla delivered the kill for his team. other scumteam shot molla. I shot molla. Molla died and didn't get off a kill.

I suppose there could have been some shenaniganery going on with no killing, but I doubt it. scum probably can't afford to no kill at this point.

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which is probably why I ignored that option.

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but it is a good point.

and makes zoidberg likely town. because scum probably WOULDN'T claim bulletproof knowing that they would draw mislynch action rather than nightkill action and they'd want to keep that option open.

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although scum bp against town strongman is good symmetry ARGH

need more beer

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You are a doctor + roleblocker

A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target.

BBmolla died because protection does not stop Strongman.
UT can shoot because roleblocking does not stop Strongman.

depends on the wording. the way I word JK is that the targeted player cannot take any actions that night. strongman ignores protections.

the mod just confirmed this with me. If I am JK'd I will NOT be able to kill.

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I am very wary of the way kthx is trying to set up my mislynch later, but otherwise I don't completely disagree with his plan

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I won't get deaded tonight, so he should watch kthx

if kthx is scum (unlikely) than he will jail or kill d3x

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although if SAD doesn't die tonight, it would be CONFIRMATION that kthx is scum

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because it would mean that kthx jk'd me

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the mod just confirmed this with me. If I am JK'd I will NOT be able to kill.

So there probably isn't anything entirely gamebreaking. Still on board with lynching SAD and shooting myself, or vice versa. Do we wanna end the day now or get reads on everyone first?

we've got time. more information always benefits town.

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heh, what if he's a pgo

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so are we going to put this plan into motion or not?

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do you think all of SAD's talking was a ploy to get us to reconsider killing him?

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still not how strongman works in this game

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he's not confirmed. he's confirmed not-red. if kthx isn't lying.

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oh, you mean red as in mafia. gotcha.

fucking multiball.

and yes, scum inventor is super unlikely.

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exactly.

there's not a whole lot in it for him to spin a bunch of bullshit if he's the last member of his team. but SAD is a good enough player to know that the only way to save himself is to actually look like he's scumhunting.

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I have a better idea

vote Zoidberg

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bp townie makes no sense. bp scum makes perfect sense with a strongman vig to balance it.

like. zomg.

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we lynch zoidberg
you jail jk or SAD, I don't care which
I kill one of them

we go from there

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not sure who d3x should watch though. although we def should direct him.

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I just look at it this way: if zoidberg is town, the scum aren't going to target him anyway. why leave him around if we're unsure of his alignment and there's no way to confirm him?

it's not like he's been superplusprotown anyway or providing any kind of scumhunting. if we get to control who's around in mylo/lylo if it comes to that, I'd prefer that zoidberg not be one of them

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is he scumhunting....ehhhhhhhh kind of

he's throwing around reads and whatnot which I really can't see last scum on his team standing doing. I would think scum would be on the defensive at this point. although tbqh kj's eagerness to eat rope or bullets is really leading me to believe he's some kind of pgo if he's scum

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hmmmmmmmmm
not so fast, bucko

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oh?

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yeah bro

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I don't seriously think you are

I'm just a little weirded out by you saying SHOOT ME! SHOOT ME! LYNCH ME! LYNCH ME!

how does that further your wincon?

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why isn't zoidberg already dead

let's get those votes peeps

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I find Zoid to be likelier scum than SAD

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yep

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still a strongman vig

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quadz, do you have any other inventions left?

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do you know what they do?

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do you not see where this is going?

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and my point was that scum bp is way more likely in this setup than town bp, so it's entirely possible that's why the kills went the way they did

I agree that d3x could definitely be non-town.

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how close are we to a lynch?

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and yet you wait until now to try to persuade me to let you live

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besides, d3x being confirmed as a watcher doesn't confirm him as town anyway

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I worry that we should no lynch tonight simply for the confirmation. Whatevs.

vote d3x

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woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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I dunno, molla got jailkept the night I shot him. Suspicion MIGHT have swung that way?

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no, I meant suspicion towards molla

I knew I was conftown after the 3 kills

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@UT: Why'd you choose to shoot me, I'm just curious.

I'm sure there is a scummy nom in here somewhere.

You were my sooper seekrit scumreed. I usually have a secret scumread that I don't think I could successfully push, and this time I actually had a bullet to throw at it.

It had to do with the presentation of your reads coupled with the way you were addressing kthx.

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what I think is also funny is that we solved this game in ~20 pages