Mini 1409: Storm of Songs (GAME OVER)

[BBmolla]

/confirm

[BBmolla]

VOTE: d3x

HOPPING ON A SCUM WAGON

CHUGGA CHUGGA CHOO CHOO

[BBmolla]

OH WAIT I MEANT THIS VOTE

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kthx

I HATE ALL HIS POSTS

[BBmolla]

I'm starting to get confused, and I hate being confused during RVS

Nothing out of the ordinary here yet, why you confused?

Both of these kids make induce rage for trying to look they're doing something but doing god damned nothing.

how are you even sure that he is scummy? yes it makes sense to put a wagon on someone but from my experience YOU could be scum for trying to plant a false reason to lynch an ACTUAL townie in making a choice in their action.

VOTE: KThxbye

Please don't be offended by this, but is english your first language?

This kid too.

Bored of voting Kthx, moving on.

VOTE: GNR

Just gonna vote GNR because whenever I do he replaces out and I get someone who contributes.

[BBmolla]

Vote BBmolla

Seriously, how can you say others ain't contributing when you're using your vote on someone just so they replace out... if you actually thought GNR was scummy, that'd be another story.

Oh I think he's scummy, and I made it clear I didn't like his post earlier within my post.

But I have a hard time telling between GNR being scummy and GNR being GNR.

So I figure I vote him and he either replaces out after fear lurking or produces more content.

We'll just wait and see.

(I'm betting on the former)

[BBmolla]

Now that I'm at an actual computer,
VOTE: DV
serious vote.

His VOTE FOR ME post was legit scummy.

Also, hi bob, how are you, I'm town, let's have a party?

Deas is obvtown and this vote is shitty.

VOTE: quadz

Uh why

I have gut sad-and-frustrated town on Om.

Leviathan is probably town.

I honestly can't figure out why nobody but me is voting AGar...

What about GNR

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The fact my vote is on BB don't mean I think GNR is town - both looking like scum right now.

So you think I'm bussing?

What I see is BBmolla saying: I'm gonna lodge my vote on the easiest guy to vote - GNR - even though I ALWAYS have a problem reading GNR, and then I'm just gonna wait for the guy to either replace out or produce content, though I expect he'll replace out so I'm just wasting my vote for now, cause either way I can't tell if GNR is scummy or just being GNR, so I'm just gonna sit around without doing anything helpful, even though I'm critisizing GNR (and Four and Zoid) for not doing anything either.

It's a great move to make as scum, cause now BB don't have to produce any content himself. He can just sit there and say he's waiting for GNR to make a move.

Or I'm voting someone who is known to not produce jack shit and also has some pretty terrible posts and am trying to force them to replace out or be active instead of lurk and get by ignored.

I could call him scummy and ignore him, letting him lurk, if that seems like a better course of action to you.

DV that's a really lame vote.

[BBmolla]

I could call him scummy and ignore him, letting him lurk, if that seems like a better course of action to you.

This is a silly question, clearly it seems like a better course of action to you, you're doing it.

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Agar

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@AGar: Just to confirm, you're voting him because he is dumb, not because you think he's scum, correct?

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This thread needs a lot less of Newb-levi vs the World in a debate over theory. While I see his stance as a poor way to play D1, I've seen others do it. This should be a debate taken to MD if it goes on much longer, Scum are trying to hide in there with 'activity'. I'll definitely be watching to see if D2 {provided he makes it to D2} is any different. I'll pry have a much larger issue with it then.

^This. Everyone is too distracted by levi.

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d3x what do you think about GNR's lack of a reaction

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@GNR:

I'm a daycop with a guilty on you. What have you to say?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GNR

[BBmolla]

No I think I've only gambitted a daycop claim as scum in experimental mafia.

[BBmolla]

Mk

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I can't read him for shit and figured it'd be better just to check him and voila.

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BB: When did you msg the mod for your investigation and when did you get the response? Why claim when GNR had enough suspicion surrounding him to possibly get a lynch without claiming?

12:14 am on the 14th (according to my time stamp, PST) and I got a response at 12:22 am on the 14th.

So I wouldn't have to pussy foot around with it.

GNR needs to talk some more before we lynch him so we can figure out his partner. Let him flounder, call me fake, etc.

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Quadz is probably one of GNR's partners trying to discredit me btw

[BBmolla]

Also still suspicious of levi as well..

For what exactly?

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The only reason I see not to believe BB is cause of the way he claimed. Why would you ask GNR, "what have you to say," if you got a guilty on him? How would GNR's response change anything?

Want to get him talking. A guilty person with no posts is useless to me.

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In regards to catching his partners at least, he's done for obviously.

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If I didn't claim he'd still be hiding. Now he has to come out and try to defend himself.

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If GNR doesn't post within the next day I'm upping my guilty to a double guilty.

I mean jesus I'd have stop this reaction test ages ago if he'd fucking post

[BBmolla]

What were you trying to achieve by voting for GNR?

To get fucking anything out of GNR

UNVOTE:
VOTE: AGar

[BBmolla]

Also Molla, have you ever seen something like a fake daycop/dayvig be useful?

Yeah, accidentally typed wrong words when I was daykilling Rachmarie in this game and her response basically confirmed her as town. (Except they lynched her later which was derp)

I hope GNR gets replaced.

Also, Katsuki did a reaction test to me at one point that got some good reactions out of others, don't remember the game.

[BBmolla]

For future reference, early D1 daycop/dayvig claims, especially from a decent player, is a fakeclaim literally 100% of the time.

Unless it's a Magua game.

[BBmolla]

I think the whole ordeal makes kthx more than likely town.

My opinion at least.

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AGar continues to make me feel good about my vote.

[BBmolla]

@mod: Requesting prod, or even better a replacement, on the guy posting elsewhere on the site(GNR).

[BBmolla]

Thank you, I truly and honestly didn't see that.

*waits two hours*

[BBmolla]

GNR trying to "teach" levi is hilarious. Don't know how to interpret his lack of fucks about his wagon. His assesment on levi is complete bollocks and is just him misunderstanding shit somehow (Protip: If a cop claims a guilty on someone and they flip town, most of the time the cop is probably scum. Less often game throwing town.)

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@Levi:

Would you rather read a wall of posts like this where it just goes on and on and on and it's not enjoyable to look at and it's hard to process different thoughts because it's all in one single thing. Like this only a lot more words and sentences and such where you talk about different topics and stuff. I mean, it's fine that you're lazy and all, just don't complain when people miss details because they skip over your post that is formulated like this. I like pie. Pie is good. GNR and Agar are both fine votes. Agar is legitimately more scummy though, still attempting to determine if GNR is scum or dumb or both. His stuff with Levi is AWFUL. I think Om is town too because of his VI shit and how he's been saying it. I want more Arthur and Cyberbob I miss them ;-;

(Take 2)

Would you rather read a wall of posts like that where it just goes on and on and on and it's not enjoyable to look at and it's hard to process different thoughts because it's all in one single thing. Like that only a lot more words and sentences and such where you talk about different topics and stuff. I mean, it's fine that you're lazy and all, just don't complain when people miss details because they skip over your post that is formulated like that.

I like pie. Pie is good.

GNR and Agar are both fine votes. Agar is legitimately more scummy though, still attempting to determine if GNR is scum or dumb or both. His stuff with Levi is AWFUL.

I think Om is town too because of his VI shit and how he's been saying it.

I want more Arthur and Cyberbob I miss them ;-;

[BBmolla]

its da saem reazn dat u dnt tlk lik dis, no matr how inteligent somethin is dat u say ppl wil think its dum when u tlk lik dis

It's the same reason that you don't talk like this, no matter how intelligent something is that you say, people will think it's dumb when you talk like this.

It's all how you want to be viewed.

(The top line is an exaggeration, you don't talk like that, I'm just giving an extreme example.)

That's it for grammar bullshit, sorry. Gonna actually try to read levi's latest posts now.

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Not trying to be a dick(sorry if I'm being one), you don't need perfect grammar, I'm just saying that it's easier to read and comprehend which gets rid of some possible confusion.

I continue to think that levi is town btw. Kthx too.

[BBmolla]

After your interaction, what do you think about GNR?

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d3x you have to take into account that it's GNR, and that he is always a bit scummy.

He's still scummy, but AGar is far scummier when you consider that.

[BBmolla]

I'm not claiming, for the record.

Especially with this bullshit.

[BBmolla]

Holy jesus if AGar is scum I'm following through with Kthx, this page was awful.

[BBmolla]

Holy jesus if AGar is scum I'm following through with Kthx, this page was awful.

So the guy who started pointing out how scummy AGar is in the first place is scum buddies with him?

Is this your first bus or something?

[BBmolla]

Eh never mind I take it back. I'm overreacting.

[BBmolla]

This avoidance of the AGar lynch

It's painful

[BBmolla]

Wierd as fuck

[BBmolla]

Never played with him, no idea how to interpret it. To be honest him yelling was like the first time I even noticed him in this game.

[BBmolla]

If anything he's claiming not a power role.

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To deflect from his lynch.

[BBmolla]

I'm just gonna post Emu's while time is wasted deflecting AGar's lynch

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At first is was kinda funny but this town is starting to seem like they're trying not to lynch scum now.

[BBmolla]

Bleh.

I'll probably settle for GNR if we don't lynch Agar by deadline.

I hate you all.

[BBmolla]

You guys are being idiots why would he as scum call both d1 wagons town

Like really

And I mean the way he did it was so "I'm being honest here, I don't care how it appears"

That's just scummy bullshit from you two

I'm waiting for Kthxbye to vote himself, he seems to have already voted everyone else he possibly could.

[BBmolla]

We're figuring out who we're lynching today folks. You middle folks need to get on a wagon.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: GNR

L-1 I think

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Kthxbye

His posts... jesus... they're so fake and bad

[BBmolla]

Really? Is nobody going to comment on the THREE TOWN DEATHS NIGHT ONE? One death, no reason to comment, 3 deaths, you'd better have a fucking opinion and post it.

Which one was yours

So...by this logic, BB, Cyberbob, FourTrouble, levi, and Zoid are all scum as well. Are you really that bad at this game?

Well we know it certainly wasn't Levi.

@BB: How are they fake? How are they bad? inb4 talking about NK's is a scumtell. It can be, when there is one NK. When there are 3, it's stupid to NOT try and figure out anti-town setup. So yeah, explain.

The only possible thing that could come out of it is revealing power roles. Just assume there is an SK and move on. Your assesment that an SK means GNR couldn't have been bussed is ridiculous.

I'm honestly not seeing how Ktx is scum, anyone voting him mind enlightening me?

You seriously haven't been reading some of his votes? I mean just look at his Zoidberg vote, what in gods name

Why is Quadz confirmed town I missed that

Gonna reread my daycop on GNR, getting a fake guilty on the godfather, how ironic.

I might have misread Om, eh.

Arthur post more stuff

[BBmolla]

Not GNR's partner. Flow of thought makes no sense. Probably the SK.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: FourTrouble

I'm gonna go confirm meta shit about Kthx later but here's this for now.

Whoever played with Kthx already shoot me some links to his games that brought you to town conclusion. I don't recall him being like this at all from the game I just played with him.

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Well coolio. Debating whether we should just mass claim at this point.

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That thought occured to me, but I figured no just because that'd be kind of silly and is only for certain setups.

But I actually don't know.

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Mass claim prevents possible vig blocking, and also prevents possible other PR blocking.

Then again if there are any more PR claims then I think somebody is probably lying. Town consisting of Cop, Vig, Jailkeeper seems fairly powerful as is.

Eh. Probably shouldn't. If the vig isn't one-shot he should probably claim.

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uhhh or mass claim causes PR blocking in the case of a scum roleblocker

this being a reck setup, I don't think mass claiming is a good idea at this point because it could buttfuck town PRs

Does Reck love scum roleblockers or something.

If we don't mass claim, town could buttfuck ourselves (eg: Vig shoots another PR, Jailkeeper jails Vig, etc.) If we mass claim we can control that. If there's a scum roleblocker we're probably losing a PR anyway (assuming we don't have a Doctor, but if we supposedly do, then I'm fairly certain somebody would be lying.)

Also, Reck's answer blows.

@mod: If there was only a Mafia Jailkeeper left, would he be able to use his jailkeep and perform his kill(assuming factional uncompulsive kill)

If this can't be answered then that's absolutely ridiculous.

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Why did you target Quadz Kthx?

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scum RB is not an uncommon role, and given the number of likely PRs, it's not out of the question for there to be one.

why are you willing to allow one nullified and one dead town player EVERY NIGHT if there is one

that's a really dumb gamble

Uh, that's probably going to happen even if we don't mass claim.
Look, if we mass claim it stops jailkeeper from blocking a vig by protecting target or roleblocking him. (It also prevents him from blocking any other PRs or other PRs getting shot, I don't know if there even are any more though.)
If we don't mass claim, jailkeeper might fuck up other PRs, that simple.

If the vig is one-shot and claims then I don't think we should mass claim.

Also that makes complete sense as a setup to me.

Also unless Reck normally makes Mafia nightkills compulsive, or unless we believe a Serial Killer Jailkeeper could exist, Kthx is probably town and in turn Quadz.

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We get possibly fucked either way so idc I just like when I know what's going on instead of us fucking ourselves over that's all.

We should lynch FT regardless.

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I'd rather not.

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you'd rather not claim first, or you'd rather not claim at all?

I don't see a point in me claiming at this point in time unless there is a general consensus that I should.

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UT do you want me to claim?

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You've been supportive of massclaim; being unwilling to claim yourself seems like a rather contradictory stance.

Massclaim means all claim. Less than all claiming is completely different.

I don't see a point in me claiming right now, obviously I'll claim if we're mass claiming or if I'm run up, but I don't see a point in randomly saying what I am right now.

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you'd rather not claim first, or you'd rather not claim at all?

I don't see a point in me claiming at this point in time unless there is a general consensus that I should.

we just spent the last couple pages talking about mass claiming because you were going on about how great of an idea it was

we had a few back and forths about it...

...is this ringing a bell?

Mass claim =/= just me claiming

Is this a hard concept or something

If we're mass claiming obviously I'll claim, if I'm just claiming for shits and giggles I fail to see the point.

Am I missing something here?

[BBmolla]

It seemed pretty clear to me that kthx was trying to kick off a massclaim. (Granted, the massclaim is ill-advised, but the point remains that kthx was starting the massclaim and you refused to join in after repeatedly expressing your support for it.)

Didn't come across to me that way, normally it's like:

"Aye, massclaim?"
"Yeah massclaim."
"Sure."
"Bobby go first."
"K bla bla"

That's why I didn't claim

[BBmolla]

upon reread, it looks like on D1 he was just bouncing around his vote with no actual reason. it looked a bit like he was trying to derail the GNR train to me as well.

This was my reasoning too.

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If it's a three man scum team I expect that we'd have a lot more power.

I mean, three man scum team and an SK with 3 deaths night 1? That'd be very difficult for town to win.

Still wanna lynch FT

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At what point did you lose motivation?

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I mean, I had literally just txted d3x to tell him the game was back up.

Believe this is against the rules btw.

gg, I think the scum should have claimed VTs, claiming their roles was silly (Especially Watcher.)

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Apparently I should have had Zoid make the kill that night, I made a bad call.

UT MVP

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http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/iAC6Ui8jQB8gc

QT

[BBmolla]

17) Outside Discussion: Don't discuss this game outside of this thread with anyone unless your Role PM lets you do otherwise.

You texting him about the game is included in this. It may seem absurd, but by saying the thread is open you could possibly reveal something about your alignment somehow. I don't know how exactly, just don't talk about the game at all outside of it. Obviously some mods might be leniant, I'd give a warning if I found out you were texting.

I thought I was in a good position when I died too, I knew we were screwed once my kill didn't go through and I died.

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@UT: Why'd you choose to shoot me, I'm just curious.

I'm sure there is a scummy nom in here somewhere.

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Mk thanks

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I wanted to kill you so bad FT, but it would have been way too obvious.