Khan's Wacky Xylbot Mafia (Mini 1418) - Game Over

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Let's get this party (wagon) started!

!Vote[Luckyjt]

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Reck
I like mind games

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Oops.

!Vote [Reck]

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Miller?

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Who cares, kill him.

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Hey Reck, why aren't you voting yourself?

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No you're not, according to the rules on how to vote.

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Hey Reck, why aren't you voting yourself?

No you're not, according to the rules on how to vote.

What was the point of these two posts, by the way? Was it just to "rules lawyer" me? Or did you actually think you had caught me out on something?

Just wanting your ploy (whatever it is) to play out. The thought had crossed my mind that you might have been voting but not voting yourself as part of the ploy but couldn't see a purpose to it.

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Miller?

My role is definitely pretty rare, yep.

This isn't how you'd want to handle a negative role at all. So are you scum or what.

inb4 he drew VT and just wants out.

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Why are you not voting Reck?

Why single out Shmugen?

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Reck, if your role is so anti-town that you must die (which I doubt, btw) why don't you just claim it?

Sorry, I forgot that I joined this game.

I'm not going to vote for Reck unless he explains why he needs to die.

Miller?

rolefishing aye?

!vote [Kthxbye]

kthxbai

So shos, why did you single me out when there are 4 other posts that one could call Role Fishing (light or otherwise)? Also, under the current situation, how exactly do you call any of them Role Fishing? If you can explain that, also explain why you would see this "Role Fishing" more likely scum motivated?

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So shos, why did you single me out when there are 4 other posts that one could call Role Fishing (light or otherwise)? Also, under the current situation, how exactly do you call any of them Role Fishing? If you can explain that, also explain why you would see this "Role Fishing" more likely scum motivated?

!vote: Kthxbye

poor response. Rather than shrug off the vote like most people would you've gone for a sort of passive-aggressive counterattack. This strikes me more as a desire to score points against shos than to identify his alignment.

So instead of calling out that shos ignored other rolefishing, I was supposed to ignore it and not asked for motives behind it? How is asking for reason and clarification statements of shos anti-town? (oops, prolly should be ignoring this vote from you and...uh...not asked you to explain and....uh....not posted I guess, eh?....ah well).
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@Obvious: Let me clear the Inferred part for you. I am voting Reck and actually don't care what his alignment is. He says he's anti-town, I don't see how that's a beneficial statement from someone beneficial to town. scum/miller/etc, death becomes him to clear the weeds. So you're list is now:

Sheeping 2x
Role fishing
Indifference to alignment of player who desires lynch
(I corrected this statement to more accurately show what's happening).

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With Reck asking for lynch and stating he's anti-town (whether you believe him or not), why you would see my "Role Fishing" more likely scum motivated?

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Well i really didnt much you kbow, this has been half randon. Your responae tho - it looks.worse

Can anyone translate this?

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Your vote doesn't warrant a response

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Yes, you've brought it up twice for no apparent reason. If you actually wanted a response, why mention it at all? Me not responding is worthy of note how?

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Why are we even talking about role fishing? Under the circumstances surrounding Reck, its not a scum or town tell to ask what he is that is somehow town aligned but bad for town if he lives. Role fishing in this instance would be more like asking if there is a PR out there that can investigate Reck's claim/alignment. I don't see anyone doing that. What is a little confusing to me at this point is if what Reck is saying is true and not just a gambit (my initial thoughts), why isn't he just coming out and saying what he is? This is why I'm of the opinion that it is just a ploy and one that he should get on here and wrap up so we can move on.

Tldr; role fishing as a tell here isn't one, Reck needs to hop on and explain his gambit and what, if anything, he gathered from it. If not a gambit, what are you Reck that you think it best for town if you die?

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What's your wincon as a reincarnator? As in if nobody kills you.

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Snail has a point. So does Reck. Kinda sucks as I believe you're this role, but will I believe what you say after you're dead? Prolly not. I'm with snail on this one in the end.
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I didn't know, so I asked? Could have been many things..... I didn't point it out as suspicious if that's what you're asking.

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Yeah, I can't read anyone in this game.....so....I'm just gonna sheep Reck since I'm 99% sure he's being truthful about his role.

!vote Katsuki

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!xmafia help Reincarnator

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U 2 are killing what little interest I have in this game.

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2 things I don't like about your reads.

1. I'm scum number 1 but you vote Luckyjt
2. Most everyone agrees we shouldn't lynch Reck and explain why, but you say to lynch him and give no opposing reason.

Oddly enough, I don't mind your read on me at all.

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That list will grow, don't worry.

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Though, to be fair, your list needs work. The last has changed now that Reck claimed. So really, it's just Role Fishing and Sheeping and let's be honest, the role fishing isn't a scum tell under the circumstances and sheeping is done by town and scum alike. So....I guess you have nothing.

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If his role was important to your reasoning you should have asked for it.

You can't ask for someone's role....that's role fishing. Have you not seen the list of reasons why I'm scummy?

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Not true Reck, not true.

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Your death will just be slow and probably painful.

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This game needs to get back on track. If deadline were tonight, who would everyone have their votes on?

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!xmafia votes

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OMG SHUT UP ABOUT THE REACTIONS DEBATE! YOU AREN'T DOING ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE AT ALL BY BRINGING IT UP!

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Does not compute....

+dymyshottyizsik : lolwut
+Katsuki : meh, town, i gyuess

+Kthxbye : scum number 1

+Leafsnail : im going with town
+Luckyjt : scum
+MrObvious : who?
+Shmugen : slight scum, need to reread
+shos : town
+The_Mini-Librarian: meh, dont remember much from the skim
+Voidedmafia : town
+xRECKONERx: town but lynch
+Zang: some questiosn i dont like, but i guess town, not the zang i remember thoyugh

vote: luckyjt

seriously iso this guy, nothing at all, filler,, questions not designed to hunt for sucm, etc

"xRECKONERx - 1 (scooby)"

First of all, as I mentioned before, I'm "scum number 1" and he then votes luckyjt. On top of that, he's not even caring enough to figure out where his vote actually is in the first place.

<XylBot>

I'm counting all votes made so far. But from this point on, only votes with proper formatting will be counted.

!vote Venmar

^ That is the proper way you would vote Venmar (Backup mod).

I don't see how this post is easy to miss? It's also been brought up amongst players. Somebody thinks Scooby has been lying about reading this game. How can you get actual reads (as your posts suggests) when you aren't actually reading the game?

!vote Scooby

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No, what's stupid is how slow this D1 is and how ridiculous the arguments are becoming. LET'S LYNCH SOMEBODY ALREADY!

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Shos: I think it's funny that you think I should play town how you think town should be played.

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It is all I have to say. I hate D1. I'll literally hammer almost anyone. The cases on D1 are mostly ridiculous at best unless someone scumslips hard. That hasn't happened yet today so...

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I'm town! Conf town!

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MrObvious - 4 (Luckyjt Voidedmafia Zang, TML)

Here, I'll make your p366 true for your horrible math skillz and for the AtE you just posted based off those horrible math skillz.

!vote MrObvious

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So...you don't read what people actually post then is what you're saying

you are at 5 votes including mine...and mine was only semi-serious...after the AtE in p368, it's now just plain serious.

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Funny thing about your latest rant. Self hammering isn't against wincon if done right. Secondly, you being at L-2 and going into a pity-me AtE hissy -fit isn't town like at all. You just justified everyone voting you.

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That is becoming more apparent, yes.

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Do me a favor and link your last game where you were lynched as town.

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And am I missing something or did you just claim to be scum? Maybe I'm too noob to understand, but isn't "mafia" anything a scum role? As in a roleblocker is town and a mafia roleblocker is scum's version of it?

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So...uh...I'm confused as to what you are doing then....

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Well, confused strategically that is. It's obvious you're being a douche though if that means anything.

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I'm so lost right now.....how does town doc fit with your play in the last few pages. Also, let's pretend this recent claim isn't your trying to backtrack whiney scum giving up, how is any of what has happened make me scum?

For the record, I don't buy the doc claim at all.

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Let's pretend I'm really stupid (I must be, cuz I don't get it), and

explain

to my idiot self how the posts you are pointing to should scream town doc to me....

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also, you're far from useless if you are town. Again, pretending you're actually town, yeah, you couldn't use your "town PR" cuz scum would prolly kill you, but having us lynch you would be far more useless. At least if you were really town doc, you'd have to be the target N1 and we could possibly lynch scum D1 still. Either way, you have now given up as scum (still my personal belief) or as town and screwed whichever team you actually belong to by doing so.

Barring a super awesome explanation for my stupid self to 'see the light' and totally believe you, you played in a way that even if you are telling the truth about town doc, I don't trust you and you need to die. If you're actually town, best you can do (again, barring some super awesome explanation) is to self hammer to reduce the number of suspects on your wagon. You flip town doc, then we have 1 less suspect to look at on your wagon.

So, if you can't make it super clear and obvious that you are telling the truth about town doc, go ahead and off yourself.

p.edit: hmmm...well shit, I can actually see that and it's a pretty darn good breadcrumb. FML Obvious, why the theatrics for the past few pages???

!unvote

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Scooby, you're an idiot. What's your case again? Might want to build a decent one if you want people to follow you. I'd actually like a nice wagon on myself to evaluate, so good luck to you.

Obvious: No, it wasn't till your theatrics of late. I had a town read on you till your AtE. For crying out loud, you weren't even close to lynch (L-3) till I half ass'd voted you and you threw AtE all up in my face.

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Why aren't I scum now and what are you major points for thinking TML and Void are scum?

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If you're actually town, best you can do (again, barring some super awesome explanation) is to self hammer to reduce the number of suspects on your wagon. You flip town doc, then we have 1 less suspect to look at on your wagon.

W
T
F
IS THIS SHIT

Please tell me how the part you quoted of mine is anti town and illogical....try to keep in mind that I wasn't seeing the crumb he was referring to....

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so....you missed the part in the () then did you?

obvious, why?

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TML: Do you think he bread crumbed that early as scum?

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Or rather, do you think it a possibility?

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Wow shos, I think it's you who should read the last page....then wipe the egg off your face.

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now...do you understand what a p.edit means?

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now...do you understand what a p.edit means?

Thr part before it is.why.

So you are blatantly misrepping me by ignoring the p.edit and focusing on the part that I wrote (and could have easily deleted) when I still thought MO was lying about the doc claim.

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!vote Zang

Kill this now

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I don't think it really matters what the case on MO is or was or ever will be. He bread crumbed on PAGE 3 long before anyone was "suspicious" of him. More over, seeing as this is a Whacky Xylbot game, everyone and their mother probably has a power role as seen by the example game setup's. With that in mind, who the hell actually believes he bread crumbed a PR on page 3 as scum? Go ahead, raise your hands. If you raise your hand, go ahead and explain how bread crumbing that early (and it's not like DR could mean anything else) would be a smart move by scum.

^why I'm voting you Zang....you raised your hand.

As for how one acts/posts being scummy...well, I almost always do this when I have a town PR that I am certain I can either breadcrumb (really well) early or prove later. Acting town with a PR is pretty stupid in my book. As for the fake claiming scum thing, yeah, it was MO being aggravated and not thinking clearly. With the bread crumbed PR, lynching him is anti-town regardless of how he played.

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How the hell did the one guy (me) who was ready to lynch MO so hard after the AtE BS become the only one not wanting to consider lynching MO and making any sense right now?

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Shos, you make me laugh. If you can't see a benefit to town for a townie to self vote when they are going to be the lynch, then you are beyond help in explaining something logical.

Nice vote TML, care to....you know...explain why and stuff???

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you're an idiot.

I guess I will spell out the logic for you.

town (L-1): px, py, pz, pq, ps, pt

If player self hammers, that's 6 people to go through for wagon analysis vice 7. If you are going to be the lynch of the day AND you look scummy as hell, self hammer is good for town. That's all I was saying. Had nothing to do with the doc claim I didn't believe.

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Meh, sorta. I was mostly trying to push him over the edge as I thought him raging scum.

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I have the greatest chance at flipping scum because......?

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Youre right though, we should consolidate. Seeing as I'm the only one on Zang, I'll....

!vote TML

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So scooby, are you just going to post like a pee-brained Ogre all game then? That's all you are posting. Tell me how you think your are portraying a town mind-set....

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Well, on the plus side, I finally ISO'ed scooby.

!vote scooby

This vote will not move...period....and here's why:

Spoiler:

confirm

vote: reckoner

post tomroorw

ok, so who is scum

ill skim and cone back with someposts

+dymyshottyizsik : lolwut
+Katsuki : meh, town, i gyuess
+Kthxbye : scum number 1
+Leafsnail : im going with town
+Luckyjt : scum
+MrObvious : who?
+Shmugen : slight scum, need to reread
+shos : town
+The_Mini-Librarian: meh, dont remember much from the skim
+Voidedmafia : town
+xRECKONERx: town but lynch
+Zang: some questiosn i dont like, but i guess town, not the zang i remember thoyugh

vote: luckyjt

seriously iso this guy, nothing at all, filler,, questions not designed to hunt for sucm, etc

First of all I would like say how did my post look filler.

I am confused at what possible role Rec has so i had to ask the question. It was a valid question in determining whether I would vote rec or not.

Since my fear is he would win by lynching him.

Looking at any other post on rec people are also determing whether to vote or not vote rec.

Now I will agree I havnt really posted much content yet buts that becuase I dont see much to go on to start building a case on someone. I was however narrowing my options with the question no one answered.

SERIOUSLY LOOJK AT THIS SHIOT POST OF NOTHING

AT ALL

SCUM DIE SCUK

I could also vote for kthxbye for his blatnta buddying and overall uselessness?

there is a storm in my city.

but until i have elcetricity,

why THE FUCK HAVENT WE LYNCHED LUCKYJT THE LURKER SCUMBAG??

seriously, am I GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY HAVING POSTS WITH SHIT AND NOT SOLID READS, WHILE ALSO LURKING IS SCUMMY AS FUKC???

aLSO, Im not rlrking, TIA

Tryin to get to a pc soon

The posts leading up to p327 make p327 just obvious scum. Again, yeah, not moving vote, you all should join me.

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Good, cuz there is no denying scooby is the single scummiest player alive at this time.

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no, he's not. His entire game is worse than your rage 2 pages ago.

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look, I didn't think I needed to spell it out but....look at the first 8 posts, then tell me how someone with a town mindset then says:

"HAVING POSTS WITH SHIT AND NOT SOLID READS, WHILE ALSO LURKING IS SCUMMY AS FUKC???"

Then, look at the posts since that quote. He is calling the very actions he's doing "scummy as fukc".

This says to me, and should say to you, that he was using the quoted part to attack someone while doing the very same action himself. THAT is scummy and should die for it.

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I disagree, p511 might as well just be an eye roll smiley. That's how I read it anyway.

I urge everyone to ignore him anyway, that slot has been dealt with. If he actually is a reincarnator, TML's post should be looked at d2.

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Like I have said already, nobody needs to worry about serra's slot. It's already taken care of.

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Game over. Scum win.

yeah...probably....

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2 days and I'm the largest wagon....

Let me just say that you're time is wasted on me as I won't be lynched today. More people should be voting scooby.

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Shos, are you a ground hog?

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Cuz you're blind and tunneling....

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booo...screwed that up, meant mole not ground hog. either way, you get my point.

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oh psh no wagon on zang we can do this tomorrow I suppose.

!Unvote, Vote: kthxbye

So you didn't even know where your vote was?

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I missed that you were on the VC twice. At any rate, you moved your vote off someone you thought was scummy because nobody joined you? That's not a very town reason.....

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Lol, of course you do...scumbag

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If someone that's not scum want's me to claim, I guess I'll be forced to.

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That's true, yet I have the largest wagon. Are you the only non-idiot in this game MO?

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Scooby, why don't you actually read my posts? Also, last time I checked, I'm not at l-1 and nobody has intent to hammer if I do get there...why you want me to hard claim? Oh yeah, you're scum, almost forgot...

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If i vote you your are at l1 being the only viable wagon at hours to deadline

Im not scum and If your arwnt either then i suggest being as transparent as you can be

(7 to lynch)

<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || MrObvious - 3 (Luckyjt Voidedmafia Zang) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || serrapaladin - 1 (scooby) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT ||

Kthxbye - 4

(Shmugen shos The_Mini-Librarian Katsuki) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || The_Mini-Librarian - 3 (wind-up MrObvious Leafsnail) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || scooby - 2 (Kthxbye serrapaladin) |||[/area]

Seriously, am I the only one paying any attn to this game or is it just scooby not paying any attn? Why did nobody else catch this?

Though I'm not ready for a VM lynch, we are A: close to deadline and B: under serra, LF is towniest person in this game. I don't agree with it all ,obviously I disagree with the scooby being town. I mean he's not paying attention or even pretending to pay attention to this game, he is tunneling town and humiliating himself for it, and he's trying to use deadline to make someone 3 votes away from lynch to hard claim. I honestly don't see how any of these actions are town motivated.

Your case on VM is better, I know, but scooby needs to be addressed. Anyway, I agree with Kat looking scummy as well, but I'm not sure if that is a playstyle thing or a scum thing. Either way, don't want to see him in any sort of LYLO situation at this point. TML...is hard to read....Don't have anything but null on the rest.

p.edit: TML, because I am.

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scooby, know what's better than just posting that someone is scum, a case. What's your case again?

Let me make this easy for you dolts. I'm at 5 votes, Shmugen, shos, The_Mini-Librarian, Katsuki and scooby. I'd say 2 are prob scum.

I'm a town poisoner. I have already submitted to poison serra (Reck). Why? Cuz he was lurking and being useless due to his role. decided to spice it up for him. I'm dead tonight because it's damn close to deadline and if I didn't claim, idiots would jump on the biggest wagon.

Shmugen looks like he wanted to vote TML but failed due to not bolding
shos hop to my wagon is weak and sheepish of scooby's ignorant reasons
TML's hop is probably the weakest. Give's an out to hop on Kat's wagon. opportunistic as hell
Kat's hop is near as bad as TML's. one scum lives between these 2
scooby is just an idiot.

So, you all can lynch me today, find serra died and came back (or just died if he's lying) and realize how dumb you are.....ooooor, you can grow a brain and we can lynch TML or Kat today for 50/50 chance of hitting scum. Needs to happen now though to give time for claim and chat about the claim.

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I'm sure tunnel-scoob will find something wrong and continue on his way. I don't know how many hints I dropped about reck being taken care of...le-sigh

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Leaf, though I'll be confirmed, I'll also most likely be dead as I don't see scum letting a weak day vig live. Guess I'll be confirmed twice.

Feb 5th, not that it matters at all.

I don't like shos or scooby as town this game. Look into this tomorrow. Also, not sure what you guys are gonna do about serra. GL with that...

So, serra won't be today's lynch and I won't be today's lynch. Serra will be back tomorrow as something else or will flip scum. I will probably die. I would like shos and scooby to post on their thoughts as to what we should do today and who should be lynched now that obv-scum kthxbye is anything but. I have my own opinions but I want to hear what those 2 have to say on the matter first...and quickly as we are coming down to the wire.

I have a feeling about what shos is going to post, and if I'm correct, he should be today's lynch, no if's and's or but's. I'll let ya'll know.

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Well it is relevant because i want you yo say what made uou use your skill so soon and early in the day, and knowing the time woll show me where the game was at tje time. So pleas tell me why.

Niw, if kthx lives, then probably tml or kats or Aj. But i still dont buy.his claim yet,
especoally with the seemingly new omgus on me.

Already explained this in p615. l2read. Next up, why have you posted and failed to take your vote off me? Makes zero sense. In fact, you still not buying my claim doesn't matter...like at all. It's easily provable and already set in motion. You still trying to push this is just...beyond dumb. It's also anti-town, as was your and scooby's 'case' on me this entire time. This is why I think you're scum, you have done nothing but anti-town shit all game from where I stand. Why TML? Why AJ?

Where are we with votes on Kthxbai?

Are you even reading the game? What is this anti-prod fluffy nonsense?

have my own opinions but I want to hear what those 2 have to say on the matter first...and quickly as we are coming down to the wire.

Why those two specifically?

Mostly gut as it's day 1 but also their tunneling on the 'easy' wagon and actively pushing harder and harder as we got closer and closer to deadline. It was (or should be was) a mislynch in the making and very tunneled.
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Shmugen, shos, Katsuki, scooby - 4
^my current wagon. TML is still prolly the most likely scum on it imo but I'm guessing sho's as the other. His latest 'I'm not buying the claim' post stinks and sounds more like 'can I still push this mislynch through by any chance?'

VOTE: TML

2 of my top town reads live here and we are close to deadline and as expressed, the jump to me was weak.
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Oh, a poisoner. Grrrr. Read the softclaim wrong (thought you were claiming vig...)

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VOTE: katsuki

Really the only person I want to lynch right now.

What would have been the difference between me claiming vig or poisoner? Why am I all a sudden town with the soft-claim meaning poisoner vice vig?
Why Kat?

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That's a laugh and a half. MY CLAIM IS GOING TO BE PROVEN WITH MY DEATH TONIGHT IN CONJUNCTION WITH SERRA'S DEATH COME TOMORROW OR JUST WITH SERRA'S COME TOMORROW IF SCUM LET ME LIVE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE ME AT ALL, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS NOT BE RETARDED RIGHT NOW THIS CLOSE TO DEADLINE. HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS????

I do wish I would have saved it though, as I'd be targeting you or scooby with it most likely.

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Huh, forgot about him....

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Okay, if I'm reading this right, I'd still be willing to lynch Kthx on that claim. Seems hollow, same as MrO's. That claim is pretty easy to be mafia. If only one kill, MrO claims a block, Kthx claims the kill... too easy, in my opinion.

how does this make any sense? If MrO claims a block and I don't die, scum are either ballsy and think I won't poison them or MrO is scum and faking. I'd believe the former over the latter. We'll see tonight. We'll also see how you can prove someone's alignment one way or the other.

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perhaps. perhaps even a RB setting up for tomorrow (you actually do get RB'ed and I die). It's possible, but I, unlike AJ, am not a crazy conspiracy theorist....well, not the looney kind he is.

I am however going to mimic Shmugen and asked for a reason as to why instead of just "x is y".

I do have a problem with TML's claim. "I'm a sibling. Essentially I'm a lover with someone else in the game". Here is my problem with this. I would think a Sibling would draw a connection to mason's not lover. sibling's differ from mason's only in the fact that the other sibling dies when they do. I don't understand drawing a connection to lover instead of mason. Something doesn't feel right and I still think TML the better lynch for today. I will prolly only unvote her if the other sibling speaks up and confirms. It's pointless not to since they both die if one dies and if TML isn't scum, scum can kill him off at any time thus killing the other. I think TML is possibly a sibling with another scum or a scum lover with some other town, but doubting he is a town sibling without proof from the other sibling.

p.edit:

Your opinion, Obvious, is invalid. You're scum and I'll prove it tomorrow. Let the town talk.

Prove away. You're appearing more like scum by the second. See ya in the post game to gloat about how wrong you are.

I won't today for the purpose of not derailing current wagons. With the limited time remaining, there isn't any reason to attack your fake claim.

wait...what? TML is on the chopping block, you say you believe him to be town sibling, you don't want to derail current wagons.......One of these things if certainly not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong....

[Kthxbye]

MrObvious - 1 (Voidedmafia)
Kthxbye - 2 (The_Mini-Librarian scooby)
The_Mini-Librarian - 3 (wind-up MrObvious Leafsnail)
scooby - 4 (Kthxbye serrapaladin Zang Shmugen)
Zang - 1 (Aj_The_Epic)
Katsuki - 1 (shos)

not voting - katsuki
Katsuki failed the revote by missing his ! before vote
shos failed to vote TML by mistyping and putting "v!ote" vice !vote

So, according to my calculations and peoples epic fails (seriously, it's not that hard), the above is our current vote count and we have like no time left Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:13 am "Deadline: 0 days, 21 hours, 49 minutes"

WTF ARE YOU GUYS WAITING ON?

!vote TML

Obvious, get your vote somewhere useful.
AJ, bus your scum buddy
shos, move your vote to TML by correctly using this games voting format
Voided, get your vote somewhere useful.
scooby, time to bus your scum buddy

[Kthxbye]

The_Mini-Librarian - 4 (wind-up MrObvious Leafsnail Kthxbye)
scooby - 3 (serrapaladin Zang Shmugen)

I will accept either of these wagons.

[Kthxbye]

If everyone logs on and vote's AJ, I'd be ok with that too.

[Kthxbye]

Deadline is at 11:02 EST which is 2 hours and 26 minutes from this post....

[Kthxbye]

Fine, I will just poison TML tomorrow.

!vote scooby

[Kthxbye]

Less his other half speaks up and even then it will depend on who that is.

[Kthxbye]

AJ, bus your scum buddy

You, my friend, are worried because I know the scum in this game. You're making a tremendously anti-town move by taking a stab at something that could kill 2 town with one stone.

As for wanting to lynch me today, yeah, I know you feel pressured.

!unvote

!vote:kthxbai

You're stupidly set on taking TML out, aren't you...

Like I said, depends. On another note, are you really so bad a MS player that you
a: don't see the dealine quickly approaching?
b: can't see that my role is beyond easily provable?
c: would rather no-lynch day1 due to your idiocy?

Yeah, I'd be ok with an AJ lynch...there is literally nothing that even hints at town motivation coming from his posts.

Paper due in 3hrs fuck this.

@kthx: Sibling can be scum, can be town. I've yet to receive the 200x testsetup that I requested over PMs, but from what is posted in thread, scum/town sibling does NOT occur if this game is multiball. I'm still not sure about town/town in the event of a single mafia scumteam, but either way the last sibling really shouldn't be claiming before we have NK info in the event that this is multiball (which I personally think is likely both from testsetups and immense amount of general scumminess yet lack of singular motive).

I'd be hesitant to vote scooby because he's not derp like the rest of the playerbase calling me scum simply due to playstyle.

The point is, I don't think TML is actually a sibling. The claim is very off. That coupled with if it were true, there is absolutely no reason for the other sibling to not claim as if it were true, scum now know they can kill 2 birds with one stone. Hense, zero reason for other sibling to not claim it if it were true. That hasn't happened, thus TML is lying about something. Lying = anti town = scum.


p.edit:

He's claimed a confirmable role already that eliminates him from being mafia and is something we can use as town. Next.

Poisoner, who's threatening to kill a lover duo. You may not realize it, but losing one useless vig compared to two potential town is a relatively good tradeoff. Unless he guarantees he won't act rashly, there's no reason to keep him around.

Katsuki, what is the case on Lucky? With so little posts, I find it quite incredible to find anyone get a read on that.

Really? Like, really? This is town motivated?

No way

!vote AJ

everyone jump on now

[Kthxbye]

Keeping a town killing role over scummy siblings? Yeah, I want the doc on me not TML. I don't even have a problem letting town help direct my kill. TML is suspicious and will remain so until he's dead or confirmed by parnter. Zero reason to keep that around. Having a confirmed town poisoner kept alive is much more useful.

Also,
"And no, I don't plan on lynching you today."
WTF is this?! you think you voting me, someone you don't plan on lynching (as if you could convince anyone to follow your scummy ass), is worth while with under TWO HOURS TILL DEADLINE?

p.edit: Kat, lynching claimed doctor is near as dumb as lynching me. Also, you don't get to lead anything just because it's near deadline. You've been random and lurky all game and you choose now to contribute? Also, why are you ignoring the anti-town shit AJ has been posting as of late?

p.p.edit: and look at that. AJ is so uncomfortable just voting Zang, he goes and tries to come up with some BS reason he's OK with his vote.

I do NOT like how the only active people right now are trying to start a new wagon this close to deadline (which, btw, not too long ago scum AJ said he didn't want to do)

Lynch all liars. Kat, Shmugen, MO, get your votes on AJ now.

[Kthxbye]

Here's my compromise, I'm not moving my vote off AJ.

[Kthxbye]

I honestly don't care about TML, scooby, or anyone else at this point. AJ is scum and should be lynched. His soft claim is bullshit. Lynching scum is good thus lynching AJ is good.

[Kthxbye]

Yeah, town is fucked. GG scum.

[Kthxbye]

WTF...seriously AJ???? NOW you decide to post like a townie with brains????

This day needs to fucking end cuz I fucking hate D1. Only good thing about it is it sets up a D2...

[Kthxbye]

no, it's not changing. You're still today's lynch. p759 just isn't the brainless crap you've been posting the last few pages and gives me pause...not too much pause though as I still think you're scum and need to die.

[Kthxbye]

We aren't basing our lynch on who is active, that's just stupid. Also, don't be lazy. ISO aj and decide for yourself. This attitude of " give me stuff so I can vote aj without being tied to my own opinions " is scummy as hell if aj flips town.

Aj, did you claim yet?

[Kthxbye]

Is it me or is AJ the only one actually reading Zang's walls/posts? I certainly am not reading them....

[Kthxbye]

maybe I'll poison MO tomorrow since there is so much suspicion surrounding him. The more I read him, the more I don't like. Then again, if he's lying about being a Doc, then I'm dead anyway. Then again, if he's lying, him and his scum buddy(s) could not kill me to "prove" him.....so many possibilities.

[Kthxbye]

Im a wild one baby, you mess with the bull you get the horns.

[Kthxbye]

Actually, I think I'll rvs my poison for shots and giggles. A roll of the dice if you will.

[Kthxbye]

meh...scum will take care of that anyway since our "doc" is being silly.

I don't know what I'll do, but I do know that I have bad reads this game as I think everyone but serra is scum.

[Kthxbye]

Good to know that you're up for a "policy" lynch of me on d2 before d1 even ends...see? scum everywhere.

[Kthxbye]

cuz I'm not an sk you dolt. Told you I'm town, but run with the SK thing, might get me through N1

[Kthxbye]

Aj, you town or scum? I hate waiting. The suspense is killing me.

[Kthxbye]

Boom, cleared. Eat it.

Not happy about no lynch and poisoning whoever failed to 'vote' correctly unless they have a damned good reason. IE: not 'I forgot format'

Lets see who is to blame....

[Kthxbye]

VOTE: Aj_The_Epic

Seems like the best shot, I've been wavering on my The_Mini-Librarian read but Aj's reasons for voting Zang are very shallow. One of them's likely scum.

<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (7 to lynch) |||

<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Kthxbye - 1 (Katsuki) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || The_Mini-Librarian - 3 (wind-up shos MrObvious) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || scooby - 3 (serrapaladin Shmugen Voidedmafia) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Aj_The_Epic - 5 (Kthxbye scooby Zang Leafsnail The_Mini-Librarian) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || Zang - 1 (Aj_The_Epic) |||

!Mafia Help Sibling

||| MAFIABOT || Sibling (town; common; 5+ players): If your sibling dies, you die as well. Sometimes one sibling (but not both) is mafia.

Deadline: (expired on 2013-02-21 01:56:51)

Sigh...I guess I can't be that hasty as Wind-up didn't post after the VC that was posted after his/her failed vote post....

Thoughts on who I should poison?

I'm thinking the one who we failed to lynch. Can't tell if wind-up's failed vote was on purpose. Also, thought's on a mass claim?

@ AJ: So, I'm a poisoner, am I town or scum?

[Kthxbye]

Really? I'd say with a scum poisoner with 2 people dying at night would have good chance at winning.

Also:

Thoughts on who I should poison?
Thoughts on a mass claim?
Thoughts on 2 kills last night with a poisoner in the game?
-correlate that thought with the flip of a third party role.

[Kthxbye]

Serra, did you become anything fun/useful to town?

BTW: The questions I've posted are for everyone, not just AJ.

[Kthxbye]

The only set with a doc, prisoner, and survivor has me as an sk. I'm a town prisoner and there was no reinc in that either. There also weren't any vt roles in that set IIRC.

The sets aren't very useful without a mc IMO.

[Kthxbye]

Well, I'm not technically confirmed town, I'm confirmed Poisoner.

Also, it was wind-up who's "vote" didn't count. See above quoted posts...

[Kthxbye]

Not going to decided/say who I'm going to poison as that person would stop contributing.

!xmafia votes

[Kthxbye]

I like scooby now...surprised the hell outa me too.

[Kthxbye]

shmugen, I'm going to poison you tomorrow when I wake up. Claim now.

[Kthxbye]

What is your delay block of time? Is it a mass delay or one specific person? Is it x-shot or daily?

[Kthxbye]

Recent posting and maybe...depends on answers.

[Kthxbye]

^that makes more sense.

Shmugen: ignore previous questions. Answer these. Who did you target last night?

[Kthxbye]

And is it x-shot or nightly?

[Kthxbye]

It is there...and the exploitation of Whatcha delayer is makes more sense than the thing I found which was a mass delayer.

[Kthxbye]

Delayer (town, mafia, mafia-ally; common; 4+ players): You may delay another player's night action so that it happens one night later. Actions: delay

[Kthxbye]

What claims do we have thus far?

Me....prisoner
Shmugen....delayer
Aj.........vt

What am I missing?

[Kthxbye]

Tml.....sibling
MrO......doc

[Kthxbye]

!vote schmugen

The case on him is solid.

Should I keep my poisoned target quiet or tell everyone who it is? The action is done so there is no point in discussing it. It's also obviously not Schmugen since I'm voting him.

[Kthxbye]

!vote schmugen

[Kthxbye]

Ill say in twighlite

[Kthxbye]

Eh, Fuck it. Clue, 2 birds one stone.

[Kthxbye]

Oh snap, didn't even realize I hammered. huh...well then yeah, I poisoned TML.

[Kthxbye]

Kat, what makes you think TML isn't scum?

[Kthxbye]

It's very possible that TML is scum and you are town I mean. Obviously you are town since you're being helpful at your end days.

-- If there is a poison doc, you should save TML tonight since we now know kat is town as hell. Even if TML is scum, it'd be better to have a damn near conf town alive. so yeah...just food for thought i guess.

[Kthxbye]

Voidedmafia was a Ghoul (survivor)
Zang was an Ascetic (survivor)

MrObvious was a Doctor (town)
Shmugen was a Delayer (town)
Katsuki was a Sibling (town)

The_Mini-Librarian was a Sibling (mafia)

scooby was a Beta Werewolf (wolf)

So...TWO survivors and it looks like 2 scum teams (wolf and mafia). So, probably 2 scum in our midst.

Shmu said he delayed Voided who had no powers so no, one of the kills wasn't delayed. TML and Katsuki are my kills. I'm guessing/hoping serra got a killing power after reincarnation. Anyone still think I'm an SK?

Yes, a mass claim is in order.

wind-up
Kthxbye.................town Poisoner
Leafsnail
Aj_The_Epic
shos
serrapaladin

[Kthxbye]

Beta Werewolf (wolf; very common): As long as you are alive, the Alpha Werewolf cannot be killed at night. You will show up as 'town' to cops.

There is an Alpha in this group of 6 and another mafia. Probably 4 town left.

wind-up
Kthxbye.................town Poisoner
Leafsnail
Aj_The_Epic.............VT
shos
serrapaladin

Gut says the VT claim is BS, but we shall see.

shos, claim next.

[Kthxbye]

well yeah shmu was terribad town indeed, but jumping from that to a lying flip by the mod...this game is not so bastard ya know O_o it's not the same kind of bastard we're looking at. it's bastard because it might not be balanced.

anyway; I was thinking. could it be that one of the kills was delayed by shmu? possibly another kill being delayed? so 1 mislynch+2 kills+delayed kill = we're in lylo now??

The only reason we have 4 instead of 3 kills last night is because I poisoned TML who was a Sibling.

[Kthxbye]

holy crap, four people dead in one night xD

Why would that surprise you?

I'm guessing/hoping serra got a killing power after reincarnation.

Why would you think that? There are 2 scumfactions with a kill and 1 towndirected kill (I doubt we would have 3 third-party roles and 2 scumfactions).

Now, I'm fairly sure I believe your Poisoner claim, but I guess there is a small chance that this is a well-executed fakeclaim as scum.

I had a hangover this morning. Wasn't thinking right. Sorry bout that. I actually doubt you have a killing power due to two scum factions...

[Kthxbye]

that's not a surprise, it's just a really big number in a mini.

kthx - any reasons I should go first? if there's concensus I will, but just like that, not yet. I think Serra should go first, then wind. I have no probs going before leaf.

Because I'm suspicious of you. This post also looks like scum trying not to mess up a fake claim.

[Kthxbye]

Need claims people. My poison finger is twitching....

[Kthxbye]

Leaf, are you vt?

[Kthxbye]

Wind up, claim very soon or die a slow death

[Kthxbye]

Leaf, if you are a super saint you and WU are cleared and shos and aj are scum...probably....

We lynch shos and I poison aj

[Kthxbye]

Ok, you guys aren't thinking about this. Super-Saint hasn't gotten killed or claimed. Leaf is the SS assuming wind-up isn't fake claiming.

AJ claimed VT, which is completely opposite what we've seen in this game. In fact, the closest to claiming VT other than AJ is serra's new role. AJ has been poisoned (well, after this post he will be anyway). No need to worry about him anymore.

Now, if AJ turns up as the Alpha, it's possible that serra came back as mafia and before his death N1, it was 1 maf, 2 wolves. That said, I'm not looking at him today.

wind-up isn't going to post p1043 as scum. I just don't see it. Not looking at him today.

That leaves shos, who is where my vote is parking. If we are lucky, we win come tomorrow morning (or after we lynch shos if the MOD is nice due to him having my poison target).

If we don't win at that point, we can cross the suspicions bridge about serra and wind-up.

!vote shos

We wouldn't be in this tight of a position if we would've lynch AJ D1 by paying the fuck attention btw.

p.edit: wind-up, that makes zero sense. If the only reason to kill serra is to make sure he didn't come back scum, THAT can wait till tomorrow.

[Kthxbye]

AJ: If you're really town, at least know that whoever is alive tomorrow should be quick lynching wind-up.

[Kthxbye]

Or you're dead in the time it takes for the 2 alive to vote you, yeah.

[Kthxbye]

AJ doesn't get to decide anything....he's been poisoned already leaf

[Kthxbye]

It didn't, as soon as I finished p1049, I submitted poison on AJ.

[Kthxbye]

I get that wind-up is town feeling as well. I'm thinking that if this game is still going for d4, I may actually lynch serra as he's more likely to have come back as scum than for scum-wind-up to be posting like he has.

[Kthxbye]

What do you think serra? Is wind-up town or scum at this point without knowing if we just won or not.

[Kthxbye]

That's exactly why I won't be alive tomorrow silly.

[Kthxbye]

Ok, let's go through possibilities:

We know at LEAST the Alpha wolf is still in play. We also know that the original 2nd mafia member is alive (99% sure).

AJ knows he's been poisoned and sticks to the town claim. If he's not lying (if he is he's a douche and a half), then that leaves serra, wind-up, myself, and Leaf as targets tonight.

No way scum leaves me alive. That leaves serra, wind-up, and Leaf.

If shos flips wolf, then wind-up is scum. Leaf is confirmed and if serra came back as scum, then game over if he's on the same team as wind-up and town still lose if he's 3rd faction. Otherwise, wind-up must be scum.

If shos flips mafia, then wind-up is scum. No way there's a beta at the start without the alpha and we know serra wasn't the alpha.

So yeah, town win as long as serra isn't some sort of scum now and you lynch wind-up.

@shos: come clean bro, you're lynched (4 votes done correctly this time) so tell us please.

@AJ: come clean if you're scum. sticking to VT is just douchey.

[Kthxbye]

LOL serra....I was thinking the same thing.

All is said and done. Might as well come clean and not be jerks about this....

If serra is any form of scum town lost no matter what. Leaf/wind-up doesn't work unless they didn't submit any kills any night. Can we all just be honest here?

I'll start. I am not an SK, I am a town poisoner.

[Kthxbye]

AJ and wind-up....you can't both be town unless the one mafia in this game was alone at the start of the game.

[Kthxbye]

I say mafia because there HAS to be an Alpha.

[Kthxbye]

That was epic. Glad you didn't give in windup. I think you were the lynch of the day though. I was convinced aj was scum since I thought you town. Well played.

How was I not killed n2 though?...

[Kthxbye]

That qt was fucking hilarious btw. Is there an award for funniest monolog by chance?