Mini 1425: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey Mafia

[pirate mollie]

jesus christ

[pirate mollie]

liking gollum

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: Gollum for trying to create reason to vote before even i get post here..

Looks reasonably serious? Was it a joke (It certainly wasn't funny, and I find it hard to believe it was "rvs")


P.s.

And why exactly you're trying link me with Qwints? Seems like you're the one trying to make distance from him.

is scummy.

Unvote, Vote Arcangel

how weird that you felt the need to unvote your rvs(?) vote to justify a reason to revote your original rvs vote

[pirate mollie]

I think my post went over your head

. It was a lame fake hammer attempt that someone like arcangel could have easily fell for and reacted to thus saving me the headache of actually having to read her posts.

I guess it did. the motivation behind this dubious at best but it seems to be a fad here to vote players off that you don't know/don't like so

any meta with her where you expressed sentiments of feeling inordinately pained at reading her posts that you are willing to push a lynch without first bothering to determine her alignment?

I have this *so crazy* thing where I want to actually want to lynch scum but will go for someone I would not want around in endgame if I am seriously floundering. but it was like you were not even trying

[pirate mollie]

hey mollie what do you think of arcangel's wagon and her reaction to it?

it looked like she reacted like scum who knew they were getting bussed and was resigned. I have a little bit of meta on arc and she will put up a good fight when she is town and will aTe all over the freaking place and it will make sense. her reaction did not quite make sense.

she isn't a bad player IMO

[pirate mollie]

I don't dislike her, or anything.

I just thought she'd be a good person to wagon at the start of the game in the hope votes would give me an alignment indicative response

. I haven't played with anyone in this game before to my knowledge but am vaguely familiar with at least yourself and human destroyer and maybe gollum and cryo depending on their mains.

of only her? that is a bit shortsighted don't you think? what did you notice about the peeps who were all hot and bothered to jump on the wagon? what did you learn about them?

I haven't played with her before. I read enough games to know what she's like. Her instant LyLo vote DV's L. normal and general posting style + language barrier makes her hard to read.

so optimal lynchbait material, right? why is your POV not quite expressing that? instead you went for an rvs vote and then unvoted and then revoted which I find weird. is that a part of this board's culture to do this as town? is it supposed to emphasize your second vote? I am just trying to get where you are coming from. and fish out your motives.

"Trying" to do what? I voted her in my first post and then re-voted her to see how she'd react.

okay this might answer my 2 first responses to your posts....

Why aren't you questioning someone you feel is scum being bussed?

cos if arc is scum we won't get much out of her?

[pirate mollie]

her reaction did not quite make sense.

Yet you're saying it's weird for me to keep my vote on her despite agreeing that she's scummy and saying that her response was scummy? Keep talking, this is good.

I think it is weird to vote in rvs and then unvote and revote to make it serious. like all you had to say was, "uh...your responses were terrible I am so glad I caught you out so early" or something like that. not that you didn't want to continue to read her posts???

win condition<<<motivation for posts<<<posted responses

the motivation for your post is where you are losing me

[pirate mollie]

of only her? that is a bit shortsighted don't you think? what did you notice about the peeps who were all hot and bothered to jump on the wagon? what did you learn about them?

I'd take learning her alignment (or having a strong read by Page 2?), yes. And no, I'd say that's rather good play, don't you think?

Dislike qwints of those who jumped on for his initial vote which felt like a overjustification and his response to my probing. Don't really think anything of any of the other votes.

yes. well, yabbut....okay qwints.

remind of this convo when I get paranoid about you later on.

[pirate mollie]

How confident of that are you mollie?

I didn't mean to ignore this...but that is what it looks like to me. I think she is being bussed.

[pirate mollie]

I think she is being bussed.

What makes you think that? And by who?

by her reaction and by the people who are voting her

[pirate mollie]

^ the above is probably the dumbest question I have ever been asked by scum

[pirate mollie]

@ the above was an eta and directed to vinter

[pirate mollie]

well that is kind of obvious

what else do you got?

I thought theonewhoknocks was going to be the for sure lynch of the day

I am going to go with it

VOTE: The One Who Knocks

[pirate mollie]

Looks to me like it was the first six people to show up voted AA, so its pretty likely scum were on the wagon but its also totally possible for them to not even have showed up in time.

Mollie: Why did you say the scum on the wagon thing was obvious but vote someone who wasn't on it?

cos on my reread during the night round he stood out the most.

And how does bussed scum read different than caught scum?

I know you did not ask me but I agree for the most part with tehbrawlguy except I would say she looked more indignant than angry.

@cryo

I didn't hammer cos I wasn't ready for the day round to end. that comes more from a lack of confidence in my reads than anything else.

[pirate mollie]

Modses say okay. Gollum becomes 2 Gollums!

Have fun little hobbitses!

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Gollum has not had a chance to speak with Smeagol, but Gollum thinks foolish-girl-#2-who-is-actually-not-a-girl is likely not friend. Foolish girl #2 looks like attempting soft push. They say they agree with BURNING foolish girl #1, but attempt to soft push against THE BURNING.

Vote: IFM

Gollum feels THE ONE RING might be friend. BUT THE ONE RING IS MIIINNEEEEE.

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Hobbitses and pretending hobbitses,

Gollum think maybe two groups of non-friends. Doesn't like "Orc Mafia"

. Yes. Yes? Thoughts, precious?

I noticed that too and was loosely wondering the same thing. if empking is going with movie flavour I would say goblins but if he is going with book flavour then I am thinking the battle of five armies which would make them wargs I think except that those 2 would be on the same side and not pitted against each other. so not sure. unless there is a separate indie faction who has their own win condition to meet that is outside the town/scum competition. I know things are done differently here.

you were one of my strongest town reads in the d1 round so I will sheep you but can you plz share your thoughts on theonewhoknocks? am I barking up the wrong tree?

VOTE: IFMVOTE:

eta: xpost

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: IFM

[pirate mollie]

okay I can be down with that.

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

that puts him at L1.

although I would like to hear from gollum.

[pirate mollie]

vinter put the crack pipe down for 2 seconds and think about what you just typed. I am not sure you could look any scummier if you tried.

in the meantime

VOTE: qwints

[pirate mollie]

actually fuck that shit

that is one of the scummiest reactions I have ever seen in a mafia game. reminds me of the game where I was all nm the dead special was on the ground WHO TOOK OUT THE DON??????

VOTE: vinterminute

[pirate mollie]

meanwhile, while we are waiting for vinter to finish bathing in pondscum the next lynch should be qwints. and this is why. I was in lylo with qwints one time and screwed up royally cos I forgot some important papers that were a key aspect to the game. his advice to me was to slow down. take time to figure things. really good advice! not that I am listening to it right now but is there anything in that, that reflects on tbg's quicklynch yesterday? I THINK NOT.

[pirate mollie]

Pirate Mafia, how'd the slow and reasoned approach work out in that game? I quick lynched yesterday because I thought a second quick lynch of scum would be awesome.

According to the bolded text:

Spoiler: VCA

Vote Count 1.2

ArcAngel9

(7) - Human Destroyer,

Gollum_

, qwints, Seanald, Vintermute,

Mockingday

,

tehbrawlguy

Mockingday

(2) - CryoNudist,

ArcAngel9

CryoNudist (1) - serrapaladin
qwints (1) -

TheOneWhoKnocks

Not Voting:

pirate mollie,

IFM

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch. Deadline: (expired on 2013-03-04 14:51:36)

Vote Count 2

CryoNudist (2) - Human Destroyer, qwints
IFM (2) -

Gollum_, pirate mollie

Seanald (1) - CryoNudist
Human Destroyer (1) -

tehbrawlguy

tehbrawlguy

(1) -Seanald

Not Voting: , IFM, Vintermute, , serrapaladin,

TheOneWhoKnocks,

(expired on 2013-03-07 13:12:58) With eleven alive, it is six to lynch.

Vote Count 3

tehbrawlguy

(6) -Seanald, Human Destroyer, IFM, Vintermute,

pirate mollie

, qwints
CryoNudist (1) - serrapaladin
IFM (1) -

Gollum_

Seanald (1) - CryoNudist
Human Destroyer (1) -

tehbrawlguy

Not Voting:

TheOneWhoKnocks,

(expired on 2013-03-07 13:12:58) With eleven alive, it is six to lynch.

First, this isn't what I expect from someone with a guilty result:

As for the HD vote, it's largely PoE. Someone on that lynch is Scum. FMPoV it's obv. not me, mockingday's dead, and I liked yours and Gollum's content. Between the remaining players, the one that seems most like bussing Scum is the one trying to prevent an accidental quicklynch on AA. It's not terribly strong, but we're in a glorified D1 right now, so better to do something than nothing.

Second, vintermute's vote put AA at L-1 (mockinday's fake hammer changed the vote count order). Vintermute questioned why bussing was likely, but never even glanced at an alternative. He fake voted golum at the end of D1.

So far, I have him as following along with 2 speed wagons, questioning the likelihood of bussing and trying to conclude that TBG had a guilty. The last doesn't seem particularly likely given what we saw above. I also find the following posts inconsistent:

by the people who are voting her

All of them? Which is my point, and it looks like its just the first six people who showed up jumped on the speedwagon so thats 50%(?) chance that scum was even here in time to bus.

Looks to me like it was the first six people to show up voted AA, so its pretty likely scum were on the wagon but its also totally possible for them to not even have showed up in time.

Mollie: Why did you say the scum on the wagon thing was obvious but vote someone who wasn't on it?

The inconsistency on the likelihood of bussing scum + the rolefishing --->

VOTE: Vintermute

so vinter might be town then.

wrt the bold: how would I know I was the dummy who quicklynched you in lylo.

I never would have put him to L1 if I thought someone was going to hammer without a claim. I messed that one up it just seemed like a good idea at the time.

the one who knocks and you were the 2 that stood out the most for me on d1. sera stood out on d2 and has been pretty much a non-presence ever since. her wking of you does make you look a bit better though.

eta: xpost, speak of the devil

[pirate mollie]

Hello hobbitses! Gollum is a bit busy catching some fish.

Yes yes, but we shall get to this soon.

Yes. But after fish!

On a quick note little friends and pretending friends, we would like more from IFM.

I would like to hear more them too IFM.

YES. MUCH MORE. OR BURN IN FLAMES. AND NO TAKING OUR FISH.

Smeagol does not like THE ONE RING much either, he must admit.

I promise I am only, well...shall we say

borrowing

the one ring right now so to speak. just for a little while...a few decades, that is all. I bet you will end up with it in the end.

THE ONE RING IS MINEEEEE. AND FISH! And Gollum likes HD a bit, yes, little hobbitses?

hd is my second strongest town read.

[pirate mollie]

just so we don' dilute our selves. Gollum isn't Conf town. flavor wise we all know he fits third party. Not starting the rumor mill out but i know some of you have played enough games to realize gollum isnt 100% still.

no, he isn't a 100% but serra is right he probably did not actually roll gollum. I thought he gave indie vibes (you guys call them third party here) but I dunno; really really experienced players will look indie to less experienced players usually. I have him as town cos he tried to get mockingday and I to work together a bit. that is pure town motivation right there. it certainly isn't scum at that point in the game and I don't think indie either unless they were town compatible or somewhat town compatible. I like his read on hd.

[pirate mollie]

I hate you submit button, I really do.

Anyway I'm pretty sure ONE RING he is referring to is me, which means he was actually adding to the game.

Which makes Mollie's response kinda awkward and rather terrifying.

my mistake.

oh so gollum does not like you either? oooh yeah, then I am definitely down with your lynch.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: serra

[pirate mollie]

I especially like the "trust test".

[pirate mollie]

cryo why are you not posting in this game

[pirate mollie]

Uh, mollie, Cryo just posted 3 hours ago in this game

y u no

erm...their volume is low? I was hoping for more other than a vca. I guess the vote on seanald should do it for me but it isn't and I am not sure why.

talk to me some more about how there are bad dwarves out there

[pirate mollie]

cryo why are you not posting in this game

Why aren't you voting seanold?

cos I don't want to

sorry, I don't mean to be so contrary but I am unsure about him, not enough to warrant a vote just yet.

@ serra

qwints is still in the picture, but that last post seemed kind of townish.

[pirate mollie]

If she feels strongly about me being scum, I want something to defend myself against. Her vote came after accusations of me fence-sitting and not contributing, which I don't think I'm the only person guilty of.

an

ad populum

defense isn't really what I was hoping for

it is cos those things seem out of place

for you

.

[pirate mollie]

I don't want to see you defend yourself I want to see you scumhunt which I think you are more than capable of doing.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: IFM

[pirate mollie]

Why would they give scum to someone in their first game?

I do agree with Cryo's opinion on Mollie if it means anything. I don't agree with her vote, but considering what happened last night I think we can trust her to be village alligned.

subtle digs are not so subtle

[pirate mollie]

IFM, do you actually want to, like maybe, place a vote down?

[pirate mollie]

Serra. SERRA. BURN IT.

...

Little poop is not evil? Poop seems friend? FOOLISH SMILING MAN LAYS BAD VOTE. FOOLISH SMILING MAN DESERVES FIRE. YES YES PRETTIES. Though Gollum needs to check with Smeagol. Smeagol may not like.

oddly, or hd. I can't decide which.

[pirate mollie]

hd you are being followy

[pirate mollie]

and seriously hedging your bets

what gives

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: hd

[pirate mollie]

okay

VOTE: qwints

[pirate mollie]

he just sounds scummy as hell

<3 you too Seanald.

I think IFM towntold pretty hard by assuming non-random role distributions by the mod. I doubt she would use that as a defense as scum if she knew otherwise.

I'm going to go with this interpretation of it.
UNVOTE:

What are Gollum and Mollie doing? Gollum says he is suspicious of Serra but must wait for Smeagol and then he votes for Qwints?

And Mollie is just vote hopping and following Gollum

. The case on Serra looks the best to me so far since I don't know whats going on about Qwints.

VOTE: serrapaladin

I actually started the day gunning for qwints but switched it to you cos you look terribly scummy do you remember this part

[pirate mollie]

Little hobbitses is forgetful? Or pretender?

KILL IT. BURN IT WITH FIRE.

Ahem, foolish pretender, what happenedes from 298 to 308 to make you "outburst"? A little jumpy? A little... worriedes?

DON'T STEAL OUR FISH. WE CAUGHTS IT FAIR AND SQUARE. KEEP YOUR DIRTY HANDS AWAY FROM IT.

Yes yes, Gollum wouldn't mind foolish smiling man or green ugly boat.

Think green ugly boat if last of the not-friends might have claimed something more powerful to stop hisself from FIRE?

Will check with Smeagol, but thoughtses?

I would think so. UNVOTE: qwints

did you ever decide on IFM. newb or experienced player masking as one.

liked hd for town but then for some reason he gave me the heebie jeebies.

seanald...is not being seanald in this game. way too agreeable, like he is trying to make himself more

likeable

, so I might follow cryo's vote onto him.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: serrapaladin

[pirate mollie]

don't give me the sad face serra it will make me sad

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: gollum

[pirate mollie]

is qwints at L1 cos I am good with hammering

[pirate mollie]

I say hd out of your list qwints

what do you think

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: cryo

[pirate mollie]

qwints did you say why you hammered

again

without a claim

I forget

[pirate mollie]

plz wait for him to claim hd

[pirate mollie]

actually switching my vote to hd

was that a speedy reply or what

the game has been stalled for a couple of days

why the sudden interest hd

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: hd

[pirate mollie]

it still does not explain why you would hammer without a claim

[pirate mollie]

twice

[pirate mollie]

I hammered because I thought I was hammering scum. I did it quickly to maintain this game's high pace of awesome action.

oh qwints

that explains d2

but d3

when you were it should have have given you pause

[pirate mollie]

*were wrong

[pirate mollie]

well I was leaning hd but didn't you have him as town like an minute ago

the only thing that is giving me pause is that the speed lynches are NOT working in town's favour

but also cos of orc mafia flips and gollum feeling the need to point that out

that is why I voted him yesterday

[pirate mollie]

oh good grief

hey vinter I am going to probably succomb to peer pressure and vote you before the day is over so you might want to claim!!!!

[pirate mollie]

okay so here are my thoughts

hd plz actually read this. it will probably be long and bore you, plz do so anyways

paranoia makes me wonder if we are in mylo. which makes me wonder why cryo and gollum are all gogogogogogo must lynch vinter NOW!!!

only

orc mafia

have been flipped. is anybody else wondering about the significance of

orc

mafia?

like why so specific? makes me wonder if there are indeed 2 teams.

or not. what on earth is the significance of a half ninja. what the hell

is

a half ninja. a ninja is someone who is immune to a tracker/watcher. no one has flipped that and most of the lynches have been sucky.

I am calling for a mass claim. I was a bodyguard and vinter is claiming vt. I bodyguarded gollum on n1 although it was a huge toss up between him and mockingday. I went with gollum cos he was playing to a character role and those are usually much harder to lynch. so I thought scum would most likely go for him. obviously bodyguarded gollum n2.

I reread mockingday's posts and vinter stood out to him too (sort of). vinter's reaction to when I bodyguarded gollum was weird and positively scummy.

but I still can't help but shake this feeling that arc was being bussed and was not happy about it. that makes me wonder about hd. vinter voted arc and then removed his vote and then did a lackadaisical vote on gollum. so again *vinter*.

I am just trying to work everything out. I don't usually make it this far in games and I don't want to rush. what has me worried is that I may have someone in my town pile when I really shouldn't. so far that has been gollum. and I feel no desire to interact with cryo. and that always stands out to me.

can someone plz talk to me about this

[pirate mollie]

HD if you read it why haven't you claimed? And why did Mollie have to ask you for you to come back?

The thing I see that makes me doubt multiple parties is that there is only ever been 1 NK attempt.

1) Because, as I said, I had to go to school. Read m0ar. Better question is, why haven't you claimed?
2) Why does it matter? I post when I want to.

I'm Ori, Town Dwarf

cryo, gollum

what do you think of hd's claim? vinter is right. he could have just claimed if this was all he was going to post.

[pirate mollie]

We were debating a no kill or Gollum target to see if pm's PR still worked....assuming pm would protect Gollum again. In hindsight, that would have probably been a better plan....

I pretty much protected gollum nearly every night. I missed n3 I think. I wasn't sure if my night action still worked. but would have protected gollum anyway. certainly not IFM.

[pirate mollie]

oic

it was n4

also yaye for town!

[pirate mollie]

n1 I was super torn between gollum and mockingday

chose gollum cos I thought he would be harder to lynch cos everyone loves character players

[pirate mollie]

cryo you played a really good game