Mini 1416 - Breaking Bad Mafia! ( Game Over! )

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Ah, good to be back in the mood for a mafia game

vote:Petapan

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unvote vote Bacde

a fucking RVS D1 bandwagon? Really? i dont care about 2-3 man bandwagons but

to high

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voted Bacde becaue he showed a double vote like behavore

nobody, your next up for joining the bandwagon that late adn close to linch.

too*. i am high, too.

unvote:vote: Bacde

Not only for what tboss said but also because out of all the "ermergerd state farm" votes, Bacde seemed most stoked about it. No one else was liek GOGOGO, and that friggen double post. Who the f double posts just to revote the same vote that they already had? like watt

@Nobody Special: What is the scum read within Tboss that you are getting.
That said, I just read the rest of the gae and wtf jeff from state farm why u so vague just say something.

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i have to prepare for me class, but I just skimmed and am starting to get somewhere with it.

Until then, I have yet to see the reasons for votes on me. I like reasons plz.

Also my vote on Bacde still stands. His early posts make him sound anxious/nervous (scum are more likely to sound nervous than town).

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@Zdenek: BAcde doublepost/vote=nervousness=scummy. The "goalposts" didn't change at all, I just expanded upon it.
also "he should probably know better?"--that doesn't make any sense to me. I should have known better than to vote for "crazy reasons" which are actually a fairly decent concern? tboss and I voted Bacde for the same reason, but exactly why we found it scummy was different.

Other stuff: I agree with Jason that DDDP's sarcasm is sketch, but also point out that Bacde's sarcasm throughout the game is equally suspect.
In other words, I'm going to have to look at both players' history and see if this sarcasm is just a thing.

As much as I hate his answer to my question, State Farm seems to be putting in more of an effort now.

Getting early town vibes on Nexus--pushing despite only having 3 sentences.
There is a lot of people who still need to do something. Lets not make this game a "lurking lads" mafia plz.

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Oh, forgot--
@Bacde: you're voting Nobody Special--is this because of his tboss vote or something else?

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@toasty, just a quick question--Wouldn't it be more likely for someone who is nervous to hide and lurk and not post as much, than to doublepost?

well, lurking is scummy regardless. Being anxious/nervous would more or less force people into action, because they want to get something started. So, when I see you posting twice, voting the same person, and getting strangely excited at creating a wagon when RVS phase is going on, it makes me worry. The rest of the players in the game need to post at least once to properly examine which lurkers are trying to fly under the radar, which just normally post little, and which are just waiting for an opportunity to cause stir the pot.

Also, why does the word "started" have an advertisement attached to it in my post? weird.

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Also, why does the word "started" have an advertisement attached to it in my post? weird.

you been watching too much online porn, you haz a virus

but I'm on my no-porn computer O.o

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you liar. Its apparently a program my computer has.

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you liar. Its apparently a program my computer has.

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argh

unvote

While I do think Jake needs pressure, I am going to see if his scum hunting is as good as he says it is.


Out of game talk - Toasty - you have malware. if you are using Firefox go to tools and addons and see if you have any unwanted software installed in your browser, then delete it there... and uninstall in control panel.. I had it a while back and it annoyed me to no end.

yeah I fixed it already--thanks for the help though pplz.

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@Bacde: unless schenanigans, I'm only voting Bacde

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....@Venmar* (thinking fail)....
also sorry for the multiple posts I keep screwing up my words.

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lol all that was random vote stage dude I was just having fun
Do you seriously think I was implying to know that you were mafia before you had even posted?
I didn't even realize jason was being serious (or going to switch to a serious vote on you) I was just seeing how big we could get the bandwagon. TBH if there was a giant bandwagon on p3 and I hadn't voted it yet, I would have 100% hammered in the name of hilarity but thats not even the point right now

Firstly, ya'all (all teh players) need to take their sassy pants off. Sarcasm isn't entertaining if everyone's doing it.

Second, what exactly is the town motivation between "seeing how big we could get the bandwagon?" Saying you would have hammered in the name of hillarity isn't helping your case, either. I understand that you want to have fun when playing mafia, but this post reads off as a bunch of fake reasons, and anti-town ones regardless.

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actually those reasons own

You've got to be joking. Saying "LOL I"D LYNCH IF HE WERE L-1 JUST FOR LOLZ" is ridiculous.

@Jason: how exactly can you say someone is just posting filler from 4 posts, when two of them contain legitimate pushes?
Nexus wagon is dumb for that^.

DDDP wagon notsomuch. Why even make the NS comment?
Lastly, where the hell is DoesBOknow?

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caps added for emphasis, and it was a really dumb comment so...

so you are saying you would have made a rash decision and lynched someone who was neither scummy nor townish just so you could get reactions to people? I'm sorry, I don't understand this thought process at all. What reactions would you have gotten? I'm pretty sure if the result was a town flip the main reaction would be making yourself a target...

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Hope you guys don't mind if I don't quote the posts I'm referring to. They're all on this page, so...

@Jason: Maybe pushes wasn't the right word for it. Nonetheless, I can discern more about Nexus' stance on people from those four posts than quite of few people in this game. Its not just a collection of sassy comments, nor do they just go with the flow of the game. From his comments, I can tell that he is suspicious of you, DDDP, and jake (or at least believes the 3 of you are worth looking into). Correct me if I'm wrong ( I don't recall actually playing with him, but I've read some of the games he was in), but Nexus isn't exactly the most talkative player on mafiascum. So its not shocking that he's only said 4 things thus far. And if you are voting him based on the "he does nothing" argument, then why him over all the other people who have "done nothing?"

@bacde: Sure, you can discern something from making a wagon D1. I get that. But I still cannot grasp why the you would, if town, say you would've hammered. Lynching someone for reactions still puts the town one down from where they should be. Reactions can be found in much safer ways. Maybe its just a difference in playing style, but I seriously have never seen that kind of attitude from a town player in my history of mafia scum (but I have seen it from scum).

@petapan: You think its honest, but I think it sounds forced/dishonest and a bad reason regardless. And again, there are a lot of people not trying/trying very little--what makes Nexus different?

PEDIT: looks like chamber beat me to it on Nexus stance.

I think I've gathered enough info to make my usual "initial thoughts on alignment" post, so expect to see that tomorrow.

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@chamber, jake: I noticed the post after I had written the paragraph on Nexus, so I just used P.edit. I don't think there's a term for that specifically/

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@chamber, jake: I noticed the post after I had written the paragraph on Nexus, so I just used P.edit. I don't think there's a term for that specifically/

Why did it take you so long to write the nexus paragraph?

You misunderstand--your post was already there, but I was responding post by post. I hadn't looked at bacde's or petapan's post when I was writing that either. This is how I write most of my posts.

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basically, I don't want to quicklynch anybody besides Jake/Nexus/toasty

but toasty is more for personal reasons and not because I think he's scum at this point so yeah

and I don't really want to quicklynch Jake because that sort of died down and stopped being funny

What, are you trying to provoke me into a cat fight? You....PANCAKEHEAD.

Actual commnts will come tomorrow.

which is?

My secret scumtell that no one but me believes in.

What does that even mean? Drunkbuddies!

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Sorry I've been gone guys! I'll try to catch up and get an adequate response tonight.

That said, I do think Viomi is suspect, primarily for her interactions with the Nexus wagon. She went from saying Nexus had an incredibly scummy reaction to his wagon to saying that he had an incredibly town reaction. If you think he's scummy for making excuses and not claiming, how does him claiming after you said such make his response town? There is a logic hole.

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That said, I do think Viomi is suspect, primarily for her interactions with the Nexus wagon. She went from saying Nexus had an incredibly scummy reaction to his wagon to saying that he had an incredibly town reaction. If you think he's scummy for making excuses and not claiming, how does him claiming after you said such make his response town? There is a logic hole.

I wonder...

Can you people read?

Jesus I have to explain everything I say to you even if it's self-explanatory

Go back and read it. The way she told people she was V/LA was scummy in my opinion. However, later on, she claimed and then went right on back to scumhunting. That seems like a town move to me, for sure. Also, I saw elsewhere on the site he was V/LA anyways, so. I thought perhaps the way he said he was V/LA wasn't scummy after all.

The. Fucking. End.

Wow.
1) I said in that post that I had to catch up on reading. You so conveniently cut that out.
2) What you've written is overdefensive, and quite frankly I don't want to read a bunch of script from "The Bacde and Viomi show"
3) The little banter b/w the two of you makes it unlikely

both

of you are scum. And unlike Nobody Special's opinion, I do not think this sounds like a town v town fight.

Unvote:Vote:Viomi

Why the switch from what I had as my main scum read?
--I checked some of Bacde's games and he's always like that.
--Hasty judgements, overdefensiveness, and the "I have a lot of null reads, that's why my votes are switching so much" defense are better scumtells than sarcasm and first day jitters.

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By "like that" I mean the sarscastic attitude

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>.< I'm just pissed in general now because this keeps happening, why play a game based on intellect if you're a fucking moron?

Dude, I think we all get your response. But just because you defend one of your actions doesn't mean I'm going to believe you. Even with your explanation, I still find it scummy.
And you really need to chill. I generally don't like people being referred to as "cockguzzling cunts." It makes me cringe just writing it.

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Do you really think the flavor connection would be so obvious?
I was sorta indifferent to Zdenek, and I feel like I missed something key in the case against him. In any case, it rose up extremely fast. And I'd like to keep a claimed cop alive tyvm.

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you know what i don't believe him

i don't know crap about the flavor it's just he claimed in such a flat way

VOTE: zdenek

What the hell has happened to mafiascum since I last played?
Well, apparently all the intelligence got sucked out of it.

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vote:petapan

You know why.

Chamber was an odd kill choice, will have to re-look at the interactions with her.

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yea,

vote: Petapan

A little late there, kid.
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Why were there two night kills?
What the fuck is happening O.O

i was gonna say maybe DGB did an odd night vig, but her power seems to be reliant on having both masons alive?
It could be a lot of things, really (SK, some scum schenanigans, another town with a killing role)

Also, I know Bacde said he was "pretty much town" yesterday, but I wasn't sure why--something I missed?

I missed a lot of yesterday so I'm gonna relook. Right now I'm thinking there is one on the Petapan wagon, one off (as per mafia often separating their votes to avoid connections). However, there were 3 people not voting yesterday, so that logic isn't perfect.

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[quote="jake']Toasty first post of the day is a vote for peta and I don't really find his comment about chamber genuine. Chamber was probably one of the more townier players and it was pretty obvious he was trying to avoid suspicion. Not to mention good players usually get killed early. Since Toasty isn't a newb he should know better in my opinion.[/quote]

what exactly do you mean by "he should know better?" About the Chamber wagon? Chamber was giving little to no information, and so i thought the kill was odd. I didn't realize he had obvcrumbed a PR.

Your vote isn't bolded.

day 1 I voted the people I most thought were scum. And both of those votes can be considered part of a wagon. I was not on the Nexus wagon because I thought (and still think) he was town. I was not on the Zdenek wagon because he cop claimed and it wasn't a good wagon. I didn't "avoid" the wagons--there were better options. Also, sorry if you don't really think I've been useful? I think I have been.

Also, I like how you look at Peta's scum meta but not mine.

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Alright so I re-read D2...Jake's elitist attitude is a pain in the ass but null. And his awful WIFOM today (like seriously, is that the only way you can defend yourself) and "facepalms" to obvscummy situations has put him in the "scummy" section of my list. There's also the "lol nexus confirmed scum" thing that makes no sense.

However, I don't understand how NS, who essentially ignored the Petapan wagon, and tried to start another stupid Nexus wagon, isn't getting any flack for this. After the Petapan wagon, NS once again ignored the lynch and decides to place a vote on me "for gut." Its day 3, and if that's your best reason....

vote:NobodySpecial

. Jake at least has

some

thought-process behind his votes, so I find NS scummier.

Jake, you voted NS yesterday for a period of time. What do you think about him now?

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alright I'm just goin to argue in points.

1) WIFOM is a bad thing and is the nature of any terrible argument on mafiascum.
2) Your defense of peta is a single piece of evidence, that, when matched up with other scummy behaviors, is damning. I'm not saying that town has never defended someone who flipped scum. But scum DOES defend their buddies, and you seem to think they never would. Furthermore, note that I'm voting Nobody Special, who didn't defend Petapan outright but basically ignored the wagon.
3) Then there is your hypocrisy. I can just as easily say that your bussing strategy is full of crap, just as you say "you defended scum and are guilty by association" is full of crap.
If I were to boil down your argument in sentence form..."you voted for someone who flipped scum and are guilty by that association."

Which one makes more sense?

Really, scum separate their votes. So there's generally going to be some on a wagon and some off. Then, its a process of narrowing it down. So, defending yourself by saying "defending a scum isn't scummy" really doesn't change the fact that you are part of the "off the wagon" pull. The people off the wagon who are most suspect are:
you for defending (but not very well), then redirecting the search for scum to the people who voted for petapan.
NS for NOT defending petapan, and voting for obvmislynch Nexus instead.
The people who weren't voting either had not caught up on the game, or were getting ready to be replaced.

4) The three people who are alive and voted petapan are myself. So saying

The 1 scum on is toasty or viomi (possibly nexus )


If both scum bussed than its a pool of toasty/nexus/viomi.

is an unnecessary attempt to sound like you've actually looked into the wagon. No shit sherlock. Thanks, captain obvious. Etc.
"If one or two of the scum bussed petapan, then that scum must be one of these three people!!!! Why? Well, herp-derp--I think when the mod says someone died who was on that wagon and said they were town it means they can't be the scum"

i'm sorry, I just feel the need to rephrase it in a third way because of how "intelligent" you think you are compared to the rest of us.
You just said that if scum is bussing, then one (or two) of the people who was on the wagon is scum. You then proceeded to list the only three people who are alive and voted on that wagon are the three suspects for bussing scum. LOL

5) You are assuming a three scum in the above post. Did the mod say that in the rules somewhere?

6) Stop pulling this whole "well

clearly

if ya'all had a brain you would agree with me everyone" bullying routine.

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Why would scum hard defend their buddy who is about to be lynched and draw unnecessary attention to themselves when they have nothing to gain from it?

If you didn't feel like you could beat the rest of town on your own?

The correct answer to this question is actually inception. Because scum planned to force the argument that scum wouldn't defend their buddy and so they then defend their buddy so they can say that people who didn't defend their buddy are scum.

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Scums best bet is to bus so they can wifom themselves. "I can't be scum, I was on the peta wagon"

but if you know this (and all of us experienced mafia players do) you can easily manipulate. Which is why scum are just as likely to NOT bus as they are to bus. Again, its not the actual action that matters but how one explains such action. In your case, I find your "everyone knows this" attitude to be scummy. and you are basically trapping everyone into a circular logic battle. This is where I see the hypocrisy. You insist that scum would bus because outright defending someone would give unwanted attention, but then oh so conveniently do exactly that. In other words, i find it odd that you don't think players would know scum use bussing as a way to gain towncred (and therefore use it). Insisting that scum can only do one thing and not the other is really narrow minded and oversimplifies a mafia game. If that were truly the case, and mafia always bused their scum-buddies, then scum would never win.

As for games where that has happened there is....THIS ONE. and if its happened once i can assure you its happened before. I know its happened in games I've played, but I'm not one to spend an hour trying to find them.

What's wrong with listing the Peta wagon is because you essentially say "if there is scum who bussed their buddy, then the people who bussed scum are suspects." there is really no point in it and, to me, it comes off as someone trying to fake effort.

And don't try to make my argument about feelings getting hurt. its not. I say bullying in that playing a game where you go "hey, you guys are dumb if you don't see what I see" is going to make people (albeit subconsciously) think "well, I don't want to be dumb, so I guess I have to agree with them." Its a negative emotional appeal.

As for the wifom thing, reread what I said about wifom. I don't say its scummy, I say its always a complete load of crap. (i.e. "the nature of a terrible argument on mafiascum."

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NS as a player never makes any elaborate cases, I think town NS is more helpful than the current NS.

@Jake: what post # is said question on?

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NS as a player never makes any elaborate cases, I think town NS is more helpful than the current NS.

@Jake: what post # is said question on?

Why on earth are you asking questions on Jason's behalf? That's sketchy as shit bro

Are you fucking kidding me? I asked so I could find the question--I like to know what people are talking about. Your overreaction is "sketchy as shit."

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Also for the record, you answered the question yourself, so you acting like you don't know what question I am talking about is very sketchy

If you keep saying "the question," how am I supposed to know which question you are talking about. Its not like you've only asked one. Ridiculous.

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Do you honestly think town reads everything? If so, do you think the town memorizes every post so that they have full and infallible knowledge of the game? Because thats what it sounds like you're saying.

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Meh the whole Jake-Me thing is a stalemate... probably not helping the game with us both being pig headed and focusing too much on the other. I've probably tunneled a good bit, like Jake has. Still not 100% sure on Vi, still need to fully re-read what the case is. Just home and going to get my dinner and watch the football. Back later

This. Its worse than the Viomi-Bacde stalemate, which is saying something.
And yeah, both the cases are shitty, which is why my vote on Nobody Special isn't moving anytime soon. Viomi isn't a bad wagon because of the way she came out of the gate (switched her reads a ton), but Badce's kill seems...too obviously connected to her.

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Just poppin' in. Nothing new has happened really, just more bickering. My opinions haven't changed. NS lynch is best lynch, i'd be okay with viomi, and the Jason wagon is still blegh.

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This game has stalled so hard. NS, I agree that you need to comment on the game. I think everyone's lurkfest has to stop, but yours is a particularly large lurkfest.

Just a few more days left...

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This game has stalled so hard. NS, I agree that you need to comment on the game. I think everyone's lurkfest has to stop, but yours is a particularly large lurkfest.

Just a few more days left...

Coming from the guy who was just tied with NS for the 2nd lowest poster if the game, thats funny.

This post and your last post were nothing but useless posts. Why don't you be proactive for once?

Yes because they were both obvious prod dodges. I said

everyone's

lurkfest has to stop. That includes mine. And I've been proactive, don't pull that card. I've said more than most in my posts. They aren't half a sentence long or filled with giant quote walls. Anyway, the point of the last post is that we apparently have all run out of things to say. I think my opinions on everything are clear. So it really comes down to picking the best lynch (and right now that's NS).

How proactive do you want me to be? Not everyone feels the need to get into a pointless argument. Not everyone is going to wall post.

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This last minute Viomi wagon screams desperate scum wagon.

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@Majiffy: I'm not talking about you.

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This last minute Viomi wagon screams desperate scum wagon.

way to ignore all the valid points made on why viomi is scum.

AHEM toasty

@ majiffy - my vote is already on viomi.

um, I never avoided the reasoning. In fact I said Viomi was on my scumlist, and would vote her if we were out of time. But the fact that the wagon was started by the derp brigade then hopped onto by my #1 scum read in an attempt to save himself sort of pushed me away from doing so.

Also, more anti-town bullshit? Are we going for a scummy in the category of "most people who vote themselves after squirming from a bit of pressure?"

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Alright, so, I made this post like 4 times before realizing that the thread was already closed, and I'm not going to right it all over again.

But basically the last minute wagon is scummy as fuck.

You have Majiffy, who started the wagon and is now dead, and who Nexus oh so conviently said "OMG 100% TOWNPOINTS WHHEEE" (i.e. KILL HIM TonITGHT!!!)

Jake, who despite having reasons agains Viomi, decides to pick terrible ones as the reason to hop on the wagon. Apparently Viomi saying "there is not a case against me" is OMGGREATREASONSSOOBVSCUM.....yeah, no. He then gets this lynch all liars attitude from out of nowhere. To me, Viomi's post was more of a "bithcy, your case sucks" deal. I'm pretty sure Viomi had mentioned the case before he said that.

NS hop....yeah, that one is the worst. He unvotes and revotes Viomi a ton of times, with little reasoning as to why. It comes off as so "SAVE MY OWN ASS." Both Nexus and Jason call him out appropriately, but Nexus confuses me a bit because...

After grilling NS for his vote, he...jumps on Viomi? I guess I understand that you think NS-Viomi are a scum team, but why the wagon exchange?

And then there is Viomi herself................Are they going for a scummy for "most scum to self-vote in a game?"
But we can derive a lot from it. Viomi was defending herself to an extent, and getting angry about it, then suddenly decides she gives up and....claims Badger. I cannot buy that this was a mistake, I think it was calculated. This action suggests that Viomi, decided that sacrificing herself would give her buddy some sort of strong distance with herself. So I'm pretty confident that the other scum is on the Viomi wagon, on of the last minuters. Nobody SPecial is still the worst, even with this logic.

On that note...
@Jake: I did not ignore the cases reasons. I said

Viomi was a viable lynch

and that I would vote for her if necessary. However, after seeing the terribad people on the wagon, I had second thoughts. Viomi WAS NOT a primary wagon until the last 3 pages. Then you have hops from the two people who were the dominant wagons. Also, I do not consider a SINGLE VOTE a major wagon, no matter how long that vote has been in place, and no matter how many people acknowledge the case. THe fact of the matter is that the people who hopped on were scummy and reeked of desperation.

Conclusions: Nobody Special and Jake are most likely to be scum. After Viomi voted herself, etc., Nexus' reaction was strange, but the NS and Jake relations with Viomi are stronger. Jason is obvtown. DDD needs to do something, but doesn't show up on my scumradar for people associated with viomi and petapan.

vote:Nobody Special

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You have Majiffy, who started the wagon and is now dead

Still waiting for toasty to come in and acknowledge I was the one who started the wagon/pressure on viomi not Majiffy

Jake relations with Viomi are stronger.

I'd really love the clarification as to what he means by this because I was on viomi probably 70% of day 3

and after that THAN he can explain how Jason is obv town.

I've already explained that. Majiffy was far more important, so i don't really care.

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so you dodging my questions again?

vote: toasty

that's twice you have done this. you die today.

What the fuck is wrong with you? I'm not going to answer bullshit that I've clearly answered already.

Again, I don't fucking care WHO started the wagon first. Majiffy STAYED on the wagon unlike your wishy-washy ass, and recieved a lot of credit for it (ie. Nexus giving Majiffy obvtown points). "Started the wagon"="the first vote on the wagon" as per the ACTUAL LYNCH.

"Jakes relations with Viomi are stronger."

1) I was analyzing the last few pages, as they are when the lynch happened. Viomi tries to distance from you by calling for your lynch. She was anti-Jake for most of the game, but rarely kept hervote on you.
2) "i was on viomi probably 70% of day 3"--I highly doubt this. Majiffy was on him probably 100% of day 3. The time doesn't matter. How Viomi was reacting toward you does.

"explain why Jason is obvtown."
1) Its simple. He's done the least amount of objectionable things. that said I'm not a huge fan of his claim. It seems constructed.
DDDP has seriously done nothing remarkable.

NS is the most wishy-washy player in the game, and never explains his vote switches. He also went after Zdenek and Nexus

Jake overposts, is also wishy washy, and his most remarkable trait is his ability to bitch about how great a player he is. Lynch all liars bullcrap, poor reasons for voting Viomi (your LAST reasons, the reasons for the HOP BACK); complains about how people "dodge" his bullshit questions (even when they ask where these questions are), claims lynch all liars on things that are obviously just oversight errors; oh yeah, lets not forget how he thought Petapan was town.

Nexus got incredibly excited about the Viomi lynch (when he hasn't been throughout the game) and basically cemented a Majiffy night kill.

So, what exactly did Jason do?

Now, your turn...

except I was the one who originally started the wagon on viomi, not majiffy so I'm confirmed now LA LA LA

Vote toasty

because you DID ignore the posts and now you claim you didn't AND you are trying to imply I am scum when I am so obvious town. LA LA LA FUCK YOU LA LA LA

people alive who were on Zde's wagon - Nexus, Jake from State Farm, DDD, Nobody Special,
people alive who was on peta's wagon - Nexus, ToastyToast,
people alive who ran NS to L-1 - ToastyToast, Nexus, DDD, Jake from State Farm
people alive who was on viomi's wagon - Jake from State Farm, Nexus, Nobody Special
meh - you get another day toasty

Vote: DDDP

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dddp does make a good point about jason and I do remember him basically ignoring the petapan wagon

vote: jason

so you dodging my questions again?

vote: toasty

that's twice you have done this. you die today.

You know what? Make up your mind, scum.

unvote:vote:JakefromStateFarm

Also, who does a vote analysis then agrees with the person he believes is most implicated by it? Jake does!!!! Explain plz.

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@Jake: So, basically, you are bitching now because we have fundamental differences in how we evaluate mafia.

Viomi still ultimately changed her vote. For the billionth time, what was most important about yesterday was the last 3 pages. Why? it was when everyone was getting desperate, and the rest of the day was quite uneventful.

How long you push someone doesn't mean anything to me if it wasn't enough to KEEP you on a vote. If you were pushing Viomi for most of the day, then why the need to switch to someone else? If you were so anti-Viomi as you claim to be, then why did you change your mind? Did the other people you voted do something so scummy that it warranted a change of opinion? I'm confused by this. Wishy-washiness is probably one of the most reliable scum tells. And I really don't care if you disagree. You say I've lost credibility, but I considered you to have 0 credibility from day 2 and on.

Jason did not ignore PETA. Jason was V/LA. There is a difference.

Other than the "bitching about how great he is," all of those are scumtells. But the "bithcing" often turns into "bullying," as I've mentioned long ago.

anyone who honestly has a scum read on me after day 3 (and is not scum), I will expect some sort of statement post game about how much of an idiot you were cause i'm fucking pro town as a mothefucker after that viomi wagon.

more bullying. "IF you vOTe For me and think I'm scum then ur an Idiot and I deserve an apology!!!!!!" The more you spout this nonsence, the less authentic your "fucking pro-town" stance on viomi becomes.

I can't understand why you think you are SO PROTOWN. If by some miracle you are town than I want an apology for your distracting, cringeworthy playing style.

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so back to whole viomi/me thing. For us to be scum buddies you have to believe we hard bussed eatch other already being down a man. If you or anyone actually thinks this happened then I am sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings but you are dumb.

Okay, I'm dumb then.

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why not at least take a crack at trying to answer 1063 toasty.

If I am scum with viomi, why would I help derail the NS wagon to get my buddy lynched?

Dude, chill. I can't write a long post every time I read this thread. But my first post D4 explains why. Viomi wagon was staged. The only reason to do so would be if she/they thought scumbuddy would be safe by doing so.

Also, I'd be okay with a name claim. But I wouldn't count on scum NOT having safe claims. As stated, I think Viomi said she was badger because she wanted to get lynched.

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How was it not?

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@Peeps who asked: I will try to explain it in depth tomorrow, I just don't have the time today.
But basically: Do you think a moderator would give a fake claim that wasn't safe? Do you think scum would at least check who was dead before making such a claim?
-viomi was defending herself then quickly decided "LOLIGIVEUP." I do not think Viomi is a troll (albeit a bit derpy)--her gamerplay doesn't suggest so. A rational thinking scum or town would still fight to get out of a lynch (which she could have). Since I think she's rational, why would she "give up."
--her post-lynch posts

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Walter White

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I'm still here. Didn't realize the day is so close to ending.

The problem with the "major characters as scum-claims" is that the mod can really make it go either way. If every mod ensured the scum had a major character amongst them, the game would still be breakable.

Although I think Jake is more likely atm, NS is still implicated by Viomi's last day behavior. So I'm willing to switch if that ain't happening.

@Jake: People have suspected you throughout the game. notions of obvtown grandeur....blegh.

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And you still haven't answered the question that both Jason and I have asked.

People have suspected me but the moment viomi flipped town I became obv town so suck it big boy and stop avoiding questions. You keep avoiding most of my questions.

My vote stays on you until you start answering them.

I've already answered why I think its staged?

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Toasty makes a good partner because his comment when he voted peta looked more like a "shame on you now I have to buss you" not to mention chamber was suspicious of him the day before chamber was killed and then his comment about bacade's death strikes me as odd. Bacade died and flipped town and toasty says " I know Bacde said he was "pretty much town" yesterday, but I wasn't sure why--something I missed?" which to me seemed like a slip that he though bacade was a PR or something.

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1) I've been fighting for an NS lynch for at least two days now.
2) Peta's scum status was so incredibly obvious. If it came off as "shame on you," thats because I'd prefer to win a game when the opposing side is actually trying.
3) The last one about Bacde makes 0 sense. How is that in any way a "I THOUGHT HE WAS A PR" slip?
4) More than one person have suspected all of us. Was I the only person who Chamber suspected? I don't think so...

he was also the other person against a peta lynch.

so its only scummy to be against a peta lynch if its NS and not yourself?

No you didn't.

yes, I did.

@NS: If you actually posted more than a sentence, and give more on why you suspect Jake, it might help us gain some insight.

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Bullshit. You're not confirmed town.

And this is going to be a difficult day, regardless. I've never been in a 1 v 1 v 1 situation before.

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I am waiting for the mod to answer a question. After that I will give my case.

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I changed my mind.

My case to Nexus: I was right about petapan, and (sorta) right about Viomi. Do you really want those two, who both essentially gave up, to win? JakefromStateFarm has been obvscum this entire game.

vote:JakefromStateFarm

. I think he's full of shit and if i'm wrong and Nexus wins then Nexus deserves to win.

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btw, I am the SK. I am Gustavo Fring.

I killed DrippingGoofball Night 2 because of connections and Jason Night 4 because 1) his power and 2) his power seemed very "fake claim" esque.

I think I played relatively well for my first 3rd party game, Nexus. Jake and his scum team did not. That's my case.

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Two x Bulletproof + 1 x investigation immune is ridiculous, even if he is only even-night.

I totally agree. Toasty winning makes me sick.

Wow. Get over yourself. You played poorly. You do realize that the main reason I won this game is because you were SO EASY to toy with? At the beginning of the game I just chose some people to randomly pick on, but also scum hunt normally. I definitely deserved this game. You need to work on your attitude because thats why I won

well that and taking a risky move. I actually didn't plan on revealing SK status but it was so obvious in my one posts that I sort of had to say it. All Nexus had to do at that point was vote me. I knew going in the last day that there was 0 chance Jake would actually give me the win (I think my feeling toward him have already been expressed), so I had to try something.

I found this game really interesting because although there were a lot of lurkers, if you made this game into a story it would be really interesting.

-The cop whose town turns on him, the suicidal scum team led by a very elusive leader, DGB giving warnings before her death, the obvtownies being killed off immediately, me turning on Jason (who was really my biggest ally in the game--we had the same opinions) because his role was what I was planning on using as a fake-claim, and the strange last game.

Thanks to Venmar for putting up this game/making the flavor!! Great game, Nexus. I really didn't expect you to be scum (UTR play works in a lurker game, I guess).

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Two x Bulletproof + 1 x investigation immune is ridiculous, even if he is only even-night.

I think it would have been better with just one-shot (there was a lot of killing power in the set-up, so I get why there were 2 bulletproofs. Vigs dying n1 kind of screwed this). I would

And for the record even if it were a one-shot, it still would have been a draw.

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and NS 1/3 isn't bad? how about 3/4 which is essentially what I did. I callled Nexus/toasty/viomi.

It doesn't count if you've suspected everyone on the player list.

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@Nexus: Why did you guys kill Bacde? My "was there a reason he was obvtown?" was a genuine question.

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Also if anyone has a link to the dead thread you should send it

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Thanks Venmar .

I really liked the Jason role. It was funny because I had come up with a "last chance" fake claim that was very similar to it. So if I had ever needed to reveal my role before Jason revealed his, I would have been counterclaimed and lynched.

also, i apologize for being antagonistic, Jake. I just feel like you have a ridiculous vendetta against me for ???. I'm not discounting your reads, I just feel like you made it very easy to mess with you. So yeah, you lost credibility. Part of it is because of you being off the petapan wagon but I think it was moreso because of your "IM SO OBVTOWN AND EVERYONE IS BAD AT THIS GAME" attitude. I mean, I'm a pretty arrogant person myself but I know that talking like that won't make me any friends regardless of my alignment. I knew it was annoying other people as well, and thus you became a good target for taking suspicion off me.

I agree that if town hadn't lost the cop and the vigs so early, this game would have made town look more powerful. Its not that the town wasn't weak compared to the other groups, only that their power got taken out early.

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its not that the town was* weak

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Petapan played well but I think he could've done better if he didn't rush that day 1 hammer

i got over excited at the opportunity to hammer a PR and didn't really think about it, realized after it was probably a mistake but i felt i was off on my game and wanted to close off the day phase early

well I mean you killed a cop D1, and you can't be discounted for that. Just have to disguise it better.

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Nexus is great. He has an Arya avatar so how could you not like him?

@Jake: You are right that bussing a scum buddy happens more often than defending a scum buddy. But defending a scum buddy DOES happen. I think what I was trying to express during that day was that the action matters less than HOW the player goes about the action. And I didn't actually think you were scum for the how. Thats why I kept voting for NS (who I did think was scum).

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>.< I'm just pissed in general now because this keeps happening, why play a game based on intellect if you're a fucking moron?

Hey I was in a game where I couldn't convince players that the bulletproof vig was a SK.

YOU KNEW TOO MUCH.

But really, I felt that if I let you stay alive for too long you'd cause some trouble. If you want to win against a town, its good to take out people who will likely become its head.