Mini 1435 - Jimmy Neutron Mafia

[Elyse]

FIRST!
VOTE: Keybladewielder

[Elyse]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mathdino

He's already trying to tell the cop who to investigate on page 1 and he is trying to pigeon hole KBW as someone who shouldn't be taken seriously because he "skimmed a few games". That's just plain mean. Give the guy a chance.

There is scum motivation here in both scenarios with Math being scum.
1. Math and KBW are scum. Math thinks he is useless and is bussing him to get towncred.
2. Math is scum and KBW is town. Math is pushing an easy lynch and getting a cop to investigate KBW.

P-edit:
That was a bad post Amethyst. Try again.

[Elyse]

You're Marangal.
And your post was still bad.

[Elyse]

Directing a cop inspection is not townie no matter what you say. You should eat rope for that alone.

You're being passive aggressive with lynching KBW here by saying "he's consistently anti-town and the cop should check him. But don't lynch him. No policy lynches." You're giving people reasons to lynch him while not actively doing it yourself so you don't get the blame.

[Elyse]

Oh and the scum motive in the second part is so the cop doesn't investigate one of your buddies.

[Elyse]

Mathdino is trying to discredit KBW even though, according to Mathdino, he's usually town anyway.

P-edit: And he's going to continue to do that if people like you treat him like you're doing now.

[Elyse]

do what you just did. if you're going to post, at least make some kind of content

Mom Agree's. Elyse looks fishy, she's the one that we are both fully on the same page on.

the first thing that set me off was the non-chalance Elyse had to my putting pressure on her. she tried to defelct it casually but didn't do it very well, In other words, the non-chalance looks forced. she also seems very keen on twisting Dino's words to use it against him.

I didn't deflect anything. If you're referring to "You're Marangal and your post is still bad", that's not deflection. I was acknowledging who you were and letting you know that I still thought your post was bad. How is that forced nonchalance?

I don't see how you all (cough cough Mathdino) found Salamence the towniest. Can you give me any evidence? He has too few posts to show that he's town, I think. And as I recall, didn't he support KBW's policy lynch from the beginning?

I would strongly suggest against Salamence getting the invention. If anything, he's the scummiest.

Edit:

Now that I think about it, Elyse is also scummy.

The bolded is absolute bullshit. You didn't think I was scummy enough to mention it in your post, but when someone else says it, all of a sudden I'm scum?

I suppose you do have a point... After looking over his posts, I take back what I said about him being scummy.

Also, KBW, if you have any hope of staying in this game, as Amethyst pointed out, I would suggest

not

making useless posts. A lot of people would agree to lynching you if you continue.

Backtracking and then fluff.

Mod, can we get a vote count?

Elyse: Seems to have a case of tunnel vision and enjoys twisting words around. Her case seems more null-scum to me.

It's the second day the game is open. I'm sorry if I've been focusing on one person for one day.
And I haven't twisted any words around.

Mathdino's passive aggressive nature was a good thing to push us out of RVS. While I still think he is scummy, especially concerning the cop inspection, I can see where he is coming from after rereading.
UNVOTE: Mathdino
VOTE: gangsta_duck41
Sheeping reads, faking reads, going with whomever, hypocrisy, etc.

I'm getting a townread on Amethyst, fuzzy, mozamis, and Grandi for now, in strength order. My top scumreads are gansta_duck, and Mathdino.

[Elyse]

I'm not over-reacting. Maybe I'm just angrier than you are in general.

And it was a bad post because you were calling me and someone else scum for an RVS vote.

[Elyse]

why can't you? momma will try to explain

Pedit: Yeah, I realize that it was a bad post, but calling it out as such wasn't necessary, and it was an over-reaction.... /doesn'twanttogodownthatroadagain

Well, I always call things as they are, so if someone makes a bad post, I'll be the one to call them out on it.

[Elyse]

BT, I don't really agree with your suspicions on Zaradi and I don't really understand your Salamence vote either. So I find your suspicions null.

Also, this whole mom/dad third person thing is getting REALLY annoying. Why can't you just sign the posts -MM or -TAM?

[Elyse]

@ Elyse:

The bolded is absolute bullshit. You didn't think I was scummy enough to mention it in your post, but when someone else says it, all of a sudden I'm scum?

I didn't mention it in my post because Amethyst had already posted it. It would be kind of stupid if I responded to "Hey, I think Elyse might be scummy!" with "Hey, I think Elyse is scummy!". (my inner Grammar Nazi is yelling at me...) Also, I never said you were

scum

, I said you were

scummy

. I understand them to be different things. I realize now that that part of my post was completely unnecessary, and shouldn't have been included. At the time, I was setting myself up to analyze your posts. But this game is going by really fast, and I haven't had the time (until my next post).

You're flat out lying. You only mentioned it in your preview edit because you saw AA mention it. Going by the logic you just used, you

shouldn't

have mentioned my apparent scumminess, because AA did. But, the only reason you mentioned it was

because

AA mentioned it, negating your logic.

[Elyse]

However, on the topic of Elyse, it's entirely possible that she's scum capitalising on a townie's slip-ups. I honestly don't think GD's behaviour prior to her original case was that scummy. So if we do lynch either of them, and they flip town, we lynch the other.

I really, really don't like this. This is lynchworthy material. Like I almost spazzed out reading this. How am I supposed to know if slip-ups are townie or scum? I'm going to call out slip-ups regardless, because I don't know the person who slipped's alignment. GD had four posts before his scummy post. It's not like he was a gleaming townie and had one bad post. It was his fifth post. Everyone is usually null at post 5. The last sentence is the worst. This is a common scum tactic. You lynch one, they're town, and then use their town flip to lynch the other. Oops. That one comes up town too. Two mislynches in a row. Lining up lynches is never something town does.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mathdino

He's already trying to tell the cop who to investigate on page 1 and he is trying to pigeon hole KBW as someone who shouldn't be taken seriously because he "skimmed a few games". That's just plain mean. Give the guy a chance.

There is scum motivation here in both scenarios with Math being scum.
1. Math and KBW are scum. Math thinks he is useless and is bussing him to get towncred.
2. Math is scum and KBW is town. Math is pushing an easy lynch and getting a cop to investigate KBW.

Okay. You're overreacting here. He only made a suggestion. He didn't blatantly tell the cop what to do. I understand the rest of your reasoning in the first part of the post, though.

Actually, he did tell the cop what to do.

However, you overreact again in the second part. I think it's a bit premature to be suggesting alliances during the second page of discussion... It looks to me like you're going for a quick lynch.

I also think it's a bit premature to pigeon hole a player as useless on page two. But that might just be me.

Also, you have really shitty logic for the second part. You can ALWAYS justify scum motivation by attacking the town or bussing. That means nothing.

That's not true.

You're Marangal.
And you post was still bad.

This is fluff/clarification.

No. This is letting Marangal know that her identity does affect my opinion of her post.

Directing a cop inspection is not townie no matter what you say. You should eat rope for that alone.

You're being passive aggressive with lynching KBW here by saying "he's consistently anti-town and the cop should check him. But don't lynch him. No policy lynches." You're giving people reasons to lynch him while not actively doing it yourself so you don't get the blame.

Again, I think Mathdino was only giving a warning. I can explain why I think he is innocent in this regard (not in all...) in more detail later, but not in this post. Many of his earlier posts also strongly discourage everyone from voting for a PL.

Even if this post was made before Mathdino kept repeating that he didn't want a PL, you still think that he's scummy.

As for the whole reverse psychology thing you claim he is trying to perform, I don't think enough people took Mathdino's suspicion seriously enough to be like "He says we shouldn't do this, therefore, we should do this!" If this confuses you, tell me (I am really bad at explaining things).

I've already heard all of his from Mathdino. Why are you repeating him? More importantly, why are you answering for him?

Mathdino is trying to discredit KBW even though, according to Mathdino, he's usually town anyway.

This is just a clarification. I have already expressed my disagreement with her position.

Are you sure you aren't Mathdino's alt or something? You're answering as if you are him.

Pedit: damn elyse, chill. I'll answer you shortly

I agree with them here. You are fighting too relentlessly. If you are town, you should use this time to find out who is scum, not to endlessly argue that you're right.

I'm proving my point about who I think is scum. Sorry if you don't like my aggression, but that's my playstyle.

You're flat out lying. You only mentioned it in your preview edit because you saw AA mention it. Going by the logic you just used, you shouldn't have mentioned my apparent scumminess, because AA did. But, the only reason you mentioned it was because AA mentioned it, negating your logic.

Your logic for negating my logic is bad. Perhaps you misunderstood, or I explained it badly (probably the latter). I was saying that I was stupid to include that in my post. I shouldn't have included it in the first place. At the time, I made a quick (and stupid) decision to include that in my post, thinking that it would set me up for an analysis later. Now, not only do I realize just how stupid it was to include it, but I don't even need that to set up an analysis because you attacked me first. It was only through hindsight that I gave that reasoning.

Mathdino already explained why I'm right and you're wrong. I'll let you respond to him about that.

In conclusion, Elyse has attacked both me and Mathdino wholeheartedly. To me, this shows that she is only trying for quick lynches. This then leads me to believe that she is scum, or at the very least an unhelpful townie.

This is really bad. Since when does attacking someone mean they are trying to quicklynch them? I do not want a quicklynch, have never wanted one, and never even mentioned one. You are also heavily buddying with Mathdino.

[Elyse]

Gangsta, I never said you can't change your mind. Don't put words in my mouth.

[Elyse]

I attacked you for backtracking, not changing your mind. There's a difference.

[Elyse]

@Gangsta
By "that's not true", I meant that it didn't apply to the situation.

I only have one completed town game and it was my second game onsite. I had never played as town before and we lost horribly. I have ongoing games where you could see this, but of course you can't use it because it's ongoing.

But if your sticking point on me being scum is my aggression, that just proves how weak your case is.

Also, I still think Dino is scum, Salamence, so I agree with you there. What are your thoughts on gangsta and AA?

[Elyse]

I hate doing reads lists like these, but apparently I'm tunneling so here we go:
_Zaradi_ - Null
Amethyst Actor - Town
BT - Null
fuzzybutternut - Nullscum
gangsta_duck41 - Scum
Grandi - Town
Keybladewielder - Null
Mathdino - Scum
MonkeyMan576 - Nulltown
mozamis - Scum
Salamence20 - Null
Z3r0 - Null

I really don't like mozamis' last few posts. Wouldn't mind his lynch either.

Gangsta, why do you keep asking people why they think me v. you is town v. scum?

[Elyse]

No! No one else post a complete reads list. You are basically giving scum a roadmap on who to kill.

[Elyse]

Mozamis was backtracking.

[Elyse]

I don't get why BT is obvtown, can someone explain it to me?

Mathdino is trying to discredit KBW even though, according to Mathdino, he's usually town anyway.

P-edit: And he's going to continue to do that if people like you treat him like you're doing now.

not liking this post

Everyone is usually town

But elyse includes the phrase "according to mathdino" to incriminate him

My point was that Mathdino was subtly trying to get KBW lynched while admitting he was probably town. Yes, I know everyone is probably town, but Mathdino said he acted like a troll as town.

I don't think its a bad idea at all to suggest that an investigative role use their nightaction on a particularly hard player to read (one interpreted as a troll, for instance)

Yes, it is.

Also saying someone is scummy because of tone is dumb and inconclusive. It's hard to convey tone over the Internet anyway.

[Elyse]

Elyse I'll accept you as town if you vote the invention to go to me

Nah

[Elyse]

Elyse I'll accept you as town if you vote the invention to go to me

Nah

You should do it

I don't want to have to lynch you over something so trivial

Yeah, I would hate to die over something like that too. Oh well.

You've made a rather elaborate case on Elyse

LOL. His case on me is not elaborate at all. Are you actually serious?

and yet, your willing to see her as town if she does as you ask?

Pretty sure that's a joke.

Vote Invention: Grandi

[Elyse]

@ Elyse, Town points for not falling in line, That's a scummy request no matter how you look at it. (Looks townie at first glance (go for your known confirmed town) but it can be very sinister and perfect for scum (go for a scum member who would seem town.)

What is this in reference too?

@Zaradi
What Monkey said isn't indicative of alignment.

[Elyse]

Can we please have Bacde back? I liked him...and KBW has done nothing so far.

[Elyse]

Unvote Invention: Grandi
Vote Invention: Elyse

If AA doesn't want it, don't force it on him.

And why can't you give it to BT just because he's replacing out?

[Elyse]

I hope the jetpack blows up whoever gets it if it's not me.

Also, Mathdino, you're using bad logic as far as BT's replacement goes.

[Elyse]

Also, AA, why shouldn't you self-vote for the invention?

I am the only person I know is town.

[Elyse]

Lemme put it to you this way: if a clone of KBW replaced BT, would it make any sense to keep the vote on him? I'm going to judge the new guy based on how he plays, not on how BT did. Right now AA is the towniest person who's still in the game, so I'm going AA.

I understand that, but you initially said:

Because I don't know who's replacing BT yet. May be a total incompetent.

If his replacement is way town, I'll probably give it to him instead.

Edit: Oooookay... who are you thinking then?

The bolded is not what you explained.

[Elyse]

My point is that if you felt strongly enough about BT as town, then his slot should still be town to you. You said that you'd only give it to him if his replacement is way town, not if his replacement is incompetent.

And I thought AA was the towniest person here.

[Elyse]

Forget it

[Elyse]

Just replace out.

[Elyse]

Can we just lynch gangsta already? Salamence is the obv counterwagon to scum gangsta.

[Elyse]

No. I don't think Salamence is scum and therefore I won't lynch him.

Mathdino does think gangsta is scum and still won't lynch him. (wow)

Just give me the damn invention.

[Elyse]

I'm closest to getting the invention just give it to me.

But I will give it up for a gangsta lynch.

[Elyse]

Have to agree with Bacde here...voting yourself isn't scummy.

[Elyse]

If you're playing the Survivor TV series, would you be more likely to vote off the guy that says "I'm the best, keep me in the game. I'm not going to say why, just do it!" or the guy that talks to other people in the game, researches people, and decides on a course of action based on that?

I'd keep the guy who says he's the best because strategic people are too dangerous.

But that's survivor. Not mafia.

[Elyse]

Monkey, why you you think there are 9 townies?

[Elyse]

There are 13 players though

[Elyse]

You just said you were fine voting AA.

Let's get this invention dealt with.

Unvote Invention: Elyse
Vote Invention: Amethyst Actor

[Elyse]

Yeah I've been thinking that for a while now

[Elyse]

Hello!

Sorry... Personal stuff came up.

Is there any way I can defend myself?

Nah, you should just claim scum.

[Elyse]

They both are null reads to me because they don't really do anything but I don't see any connection between them as scum.

But I don't like 591 at all.

Also don't like Mathdino lining up my lynch if gangsta flips town.

[Elyse]

Also, Mathdino, instead of saying "fishy posts" quote them and say why they are fishy. K thanks.

[Elyse]

I wouldn't be upset with a Zero lynch, but still think gangsta/Mathdino is a better route.

[Elyse]

AA seemed awfully cocky when pursuing moz. I don't like that change of attitude.

Also, why isn't gangsta dead yet? He comes in and asks if he can defend himself and then leaves. He needs rope.

[Elyse]

Now I wish we didn't give the invention to AA.

[Elyse]

Yeah I'm not going to ignore inconsistencies because you're sleepy.

[Elyse]

Mom bothers Elyse because she's vague and says things without providing evidence.

To be completely honest, my townread on AA is pretty much gone. I think the whole Mom/Dad facade can make the slot appear town no matter what alignment.

[Elyse]

Nah I'd rather lynch gangsta

[Elyse]

I didn't like it because you're not usually cocky. I am.

[Elyse]

You're manner is completely different here. The way you pursued gangsta was not cocky. Confident maybe, but not cocky. Saying that things are sexy and speaking like the way you did with mozamis is cocky.

Playing with you (Marangal) before, I know you are stubborn. I've never seen you act like this though.

[Elyse]

I'm pointing out a change in AA's behavior. I never discredited her case. Nice misrep though.

[Elyse]

Maybe.

[Elyse]

Nice catch Grandi.

[Elyse]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mathdino

[Elyse]

Where does it say that in the flavor? You might be right but I don't read flavor.

[Elyse]

Yeah, I wasn't sure it was a scumslip when I voted but you saying it was in the flavor as your first instinct, and then it not being there has me thinking it's an actual slip.

[Elyse]

If your first response was that or post 667, then I would've been fine. But your kneejerk response was saying it was in the flavor. THAT is a scumslip.

Also, AA, I don't want to go through your Mozamis case. It's not my job to fight someone's battles for them. If it was a good case I would be all up on Moza, but it's not. I'm not going to pick apart why it's bad. That's Moza's job.

[Elyse]

We're not trying to figure out how many scum there are in a mini. What are you even reading?

[Elyse]

Yeah, he said that he thought there were three based on the flavor, which isn't true. If he just said "I assumed" or something like that, it wouldn't have fazed me.

[Elyse]

Here's my point.

A townie who said "Since there are three scum" and is questioned about it would say the truth. Something to the effect of "I just assumed there were three scum. There usually are."

A scum who gets caught like this would try to find somewhere where it says there are three scum, like Mathdino tried (and failed) to do, rather than just say the truth. He even tried to pass it off as nothing when he says "What's the issue here?" Clearly, he knows what I mean.

[Elyse]

Ever heard of bussing?

[Elyse]

Mathdino slipped. String him up.

[Elyse]

Read

[Elyse]

Then you're retarded

[Elyse]

I read it, I just don't necessarily agree with it. I think you have the wrong idea about him, and I don't think he's an adequate lynch for today. I'll post more when I get home from school.

So you did see it. Why didn't you just say that you didn't agree with it?

I'm defintely getting a bit suspicious of AA now. She's been tunnelling for a while now, and doesn't seem to be listening to anything I'm saying. I'm pretty sure I've responded to most, if not all of those points already and yet she repeats them? I expect better critical thinking from town.
I'm not loving how she's ignoring the Mathdino and Gangsta stuff either.
Also, interesting choice of phrase from AA a few posts back "...park my vote on you". To me, this suggests she has no intention whatsoever of changing her mind, which looks a bit scummy to me.
If she hadn't seemed quite town earlier on, I'd be tempted to vote her now. But she's in the null pile for now.
More importantly, we really need Mathdino and Gangsta to post.

This.

Vote: mathdino

elyse, thats who youve been voting right?

guys this slip isnt going to go away ever

lets lynch him now and be done with it

Yep.

Mozamis is rapidly moving up in my town pile and I actually have a slight scum read on AA.

AA is ignoring everything in the thread against Mozamis, admitted to tunneling, and refuses to take her vote off of moza.

But Mathdino slipped so yeah.

[Elyse]

I misquoted and mistyped.

I meant to quote 705 and say except Mozamis instead of against Mozamis.

[Elyse]

Mathdino has been posting in other games. LYNCH HIM NOW.

[Elyse]

I didn't ignore 667, but it wasn't your initial reaction; therefore it is irrelevant. You corrected yourself after realizing that your bs flavor reason wasn't true.

Also, I'm not tunneling. I've been open to lynching you and gangsta this whole time, and I literally said I have a scumread on AA like three posts ago. You slipped. I want you lynched. That's not tunneling.

But I will take back you avoiding the thread.

[Elyse]

Monkey's refusal to lynch Mathdino is VERY telling.

[Elyse]

As is AA's ignorance of the whole slip.

[Elyse]

There's nothing more compelling than a slip.

You should try to scumhunt on your own too. That might help.

[Elyse]

Dino's slip is not "retarded as fuck", thank you very much. That phrase actually brings to mind your obsession with Mozamis.

As I have stated time and time again (though you have ignored it), it's not scummy that he assumed a three person team. It's scummy that he tried to back it up using flavor.

[Elyse]

AA your case isn't good. He's responded to it multiple times but you keep carrying on and there's nothing more he can say.

Drop it.

[Elyse]

Also, Goddard seems like he would be in the game.

[Elyse]

Mod: Does scum have fakeclaims?

[Elyse]

BLAH BLAH BLAH
MOZAMIS IS SCUM AND I'M GOING TO IGNORE EVERYTHING IN THE THREAD UNTIL SOMEONE STROKES MY EGO AND SAYS MY CASE IS GOOD.

FTFY

[Elyse]

Big surprise from AA, and even bigger surprise from Sal. Who did I criticise for not voting? AA. Who have I spent most of the game voting for? Sal.


oh, and how is criticising AA - who most have read as town - the same as me having "done nothing but agree with what others have said"? Likewise Gangsta has been one of the most popular wagons/suspects all game. I'm one of the few that have given him the benefit of the doubt. How is that agreeing with what others have said?
And on Gangsta, how is not agreeing with everyone else the same as defending him?
Sorry if I haven't agreed with you or just gone along with everyone else. I actually like to scumhunt, which involves questioning other people's reads, thinking for myself and yeah sometimes i agree with other people as well
You're either not reading properly AA, confused or scum misrepping.

again, post 563. Are you reading the thread? As you say, "null-town" was how i read him for a while. Not a very certain read. But yeah I want to pressurise him, and I didn't like his defensiveness as I said earlier, so of course I voted for him. You should too, as opposed to parking your vote on me.

hang on, not long ago you suggested that by me NOT voting for him, I was trying to protect Gangsta? Now I AM voting for him, Gangsta is town? Don't like that at all, seems like you are trying to make me look bad no matter what I do. And at the same time distance yourself from a gangsta lynch which I thought you were in favour of.

I'm disagreeing with you, not being "defensive". Calm down.

I'm also not entirely sure where his Zero vote came from. I'm not seeing much of a case coming from him, and

it seems to me that he is trying to protect Gangsta

I also never said that you were trying to protect gangsta

Try again.

throughout the game, he has soft-defended Gangsta, then he proceeds to fence-sit on him then states that he'd be willing to vote for him if need be, and only does so when I park my one on him.

"soft defended" = thought Gangsta might be allowed the benefit of the doubt midway through day 1.
"fence sit" =unsure of Gangsta. Frankly, I'm suspicious of anyone who has "cast iron" reads day 1. So yeah, I was unsure of Gangsta.
"only does so when I park my one him" - post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy. "Oh, Moz voted for Gangsta after I voted for Moz, so there must be a connection between the 2 events." Just no. I clearly stated I was thinking of voting for Gangsta before you voted for me. So another bit of dodgy misrepping or just not bothering to read from you.

I'm defintely getting a bit suspicious of AA now. She's been tunnelling for a while now, and doesn't seem to be listening to anything I'm saying. I'm pretty sure I've responded to most, if not all of those points already and yet she repeats them? I expect better critical thinking from town.
I'm not loving how she's ignoring the Mathdino and Gangsta stuff either.
Also, interesting choice of phrase from AA a few posts back "...park my vote on you". To me, this suggests she has no intention whatsoever of changing her mind, which looks a bit scummy to me.
If she hadn't seemed quite town earlier on, I'd be tempted to vote her now. But she's in the null pile for now.
More importantly, we really need Mathdino and Gangsta to post.

mom can see the "slip" though I'm not buying it.

Don't like this. Looks like you're trying "handwave" the Dino stuff. "not buying it" just sounds a bit dismissive to me.

yes,

I have no intention of changing my vote

, which is why I seldom vote. how is that scummy?

If you've no intention of changing your vote, how on earth can I be expected to reply to your "case"? I feel like I've already responded to your case several times anyway - but to me it just sounds like you've given up scum hunting and are just gonna vote for me whatever I say. Also, it sounds like a great excuse for you to ignore the Dino and Gangsta stuff. You've just planted your vote and have no intention of changing it.
Great townie attitude

HERE IS WHERE MOZAMIS REPLIED TO YOUR CASE.

GOD DAMNIT

[Elyse]

1 and 3 are the same thing.

And he wasn't being defensive.

You're comparing him to gangsta the whole time.

2 I can understand you wanting an answer.

(this is going off 784 btw)

[Elyse]

Mod: Does scum have fakeclaims?

[Elyse]

Because he thought it was a slip and got nervous, so he searched for something to back it up

[Elyse]

Alright let's take a vote.

We're either lynching Mathdino or gangsta.

Say who you would prefer in the next post.

I prefer Mathdino.

[Elyse]

HEY AA.

Gangsta or Dino.

IDC if you don't want to lynch either, but who would you prefer?

[Elyse]

Hint: he's scum

[Elyse]

Hint: he's scum

The better question is if his flip effects your opinions on my alignment.

If he's scum it will improve my opinion.

If he's town it won't change anything.

But why do you care about what I think of you?

[Elyse]

Also I think fuzzy is scum.

[Elyse]

Also I think fuzzy is scum.

Good for you.

I keep thinking I was lynched in this game for some reason.

Anywho, I'll get back with some reads shortly.

I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT. I'm actually tempted to vote fuzzy right now.

You have been posting in other topics constantly, and your last post before this one was five days ago. Obviously, you've been checking this thread since you responded. We're still in Day 1, and you magically appear when I call you out? Yeah, not buying what you're pushing.

Hint: he's scum

The better question is if his flip effects your opinions on my alignment.

If he's scum it will improve my opinion.

If he's town it won't change anything.

But why do you care about what I think of you?

Because I cased him.

That doesn't really answer my question.

[Elyse]

Oh.

I don't like that one bit.

P-edit:

I don't believe you.

[Elyse]

Did I ask if you cared or...?

Wait did I ever ask for your opinion on anything ever?

[Elyse]

Did I ask if you cared or...?

Wait did I ever ask for your opinion on anything ever?

Did I ask if you thought I was scum?

No, I don't think so.

LOL was that supposed to be funny?

Like I said, I thought this was a different game (Elyse is in that one too, I believe.) The "Day 1" doesn't change, so I just assumed.

You mean the PYP that just ended?

Yeah well you weren't lynched in that one either. I could understand (not really) mixing it up if you were at least lynched in the other game, but you weren't. You were alive in both. So how would the day not being updated in the topic make you think you were lynched? It doesn't make any sense. You're just trying to come up with a reason to excuse your lurking. Scum do that.

[Elyse]

Anyone up for a last minute fuzzy wagon?

There are so many damn scummy people in this game.

AA is creeping up on my towndar again too.

Fuzzy, Dino, and gangsta need to eat rope.

[Elyse]

I'm not in that game.

In other words, you lied.

UNVOTE: Mathdino
VOTE: fuzzybutternut

[Elyse]

Where did I misrep you the first time?

Why would you make a statement like that if you weren't sure? It takes like five seconds to check. Saying "I believe" doesn't make it okay for you to blatantly lie.

Also, you weren't even lynched in Amnesiac mafia. You were NK'd. And it's a large theme.

There's no correlation.

[Elyse]

Yes, you said wanna misrep me

AGAIN

The rest of your post is just bullshit.

@Salamence
Fuzzy could be retarded scum too.

I understand that a fuzzy lynch probably won't happen and I'll end up switching back to Mathdino but I just wanted to make fuzzy's clear contradictions evident.

[Elyse]

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T.

There's no other usage of the word again in that sentence.

[Elyse]

Jimmy is vanilla?

Ehhh.

Deadline is TOMORROW so we really need to figure this out. Dino or fuzzy, it seems.

Both wagons are around L-4 I think.

[Elyse]

I'm too scared that we're not going to get a lynch through.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mathdino

Someone should hammer.

[Elyse]

VOTE: fuzzy

[Elyse]

Vote Invention: Elyse

[Elyse]

MOZAMIS IF YOUR NEXT POST IS NOT A FULL OUT ROLE CLAIM WITH AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT YOU ARE DEAD

[Elyse]

I'm starting not to lyke Elyse's over-reliance on looking at "slips" or "misreps".

My bad for scumhunting.

The game doesn't revolve around her. There are other things we need to be looking at.

Where did I say the game revolved around me? If I have the most influence and you're not ok with it, that's your fault.

[Elyse]

Also AA please explain exactly what your invention did.

[Elyse]

ALSO REMINDER EVERYONE PLEASE DO NOT HAMMER MOZAMIS UNTIL WE HAVE THE INVENTION ASSIGNED TO SOMEONE THANK YOU

[Elyse]

Moz what the hell does the last line mean?

Ok mozamis is obv scum at this point so no worries there. If by some miracles he's not then we just lynch AA. But I would bet my house he's scum.

HOWEVER WE CAN'T LYNCH MOZAMIS YET. STOP VOTING HIM.

We need to 1. Give the invention to someone and 2. Have AA explain exactly what her invention did.

I have the most invention votes right now so I think it would be easiest if we just gave it to me.

AA explain the invention.

[Elyse]

and I already explained that the Death rate was a 25% change of death. I also never said that the Invention gave us the ability to nullify powers.

So all the invention did was give you one-shot tracker powers with a 1/4 chance of dying?
Hm.

I am really confused. Nurses aren't doctors and shouldn't be able to protect someone if the doctor didn't die.

Also, having a backup in a mini seems strange.

But Moz is seeming town despite his apparent Grandi visit.

Hopefully Bacde's mod question will be answered and we can shed some light on what's going on.

[Elyse]

ASIDE FROM THE GRANDI VISIT. READ.

He's making sure we get the invention through before the lynch and saying we shouldn't rush to lynch AA if he flips town.

[Elyse]

I still want to lynch him.

The nurse claim is the only thing bothering me. Yeah, it's a strange claim, but why would he claim nurse out of anything? Why not just claim doctor and draw a counterclaim? I know he's most likely scum, because as you said, his target was strange even if he was telling the truth. Still, there's that little something in my brain that keeps telling me that I'm wrong and that Monkey is scum.

Again, hopefully the mod can answer the question.

[Elyse]

I think you need to review the definition of attack, and then post.

I was using doctor as an example. He wouldn't claim doctor because Grandi died, obviously.

But why not claim cop? No one would lynch an un CC'd cop. Please explain to me where a PR claim, such as doctor or cop, would go un CC'd, and the person would still be lynched.

[Elyse]

Thank you, Zero.

[Elyse]

Likewise, I'm not against taking time, but a rediculous suggestion is a rediculous suggestion.

It's actually a ridiculous suggestion.

What reason do you have a town read on Elyse other than that she has been active? Have you looked at her scum meta?

Do you think I'm scum?

[Elyse]

I did a quick ISO of Elyse and it appears she hasn't been scum in like 5 or 6 games.

Unless I'm wrong. If she could link us to a scum game of hers it would be appreciated.

But her day 2 play has been less townish than her day one play imho. Too much relying on day 1 cred, not enough quality scumhunting.

Are you kidding me right now?
Day 1 I was the person who did the most scumhunting out of everyone. D2 arrives and AA claims her results on Moz. I obviously took a step back. No one else has taken my role. No one else is scumhunting. You have ZERO Day 1 cred, as do most other people. What the hell do you expect from me?

Also, the very first game I replaced into, I was scum. Do you want that link?

Likewise, I'm not against taking time, but a rediculous suggestion is a rediculous suggestion.

It's actually a ridiculous suggestion.

What reason do you have a town read on Elyse other than that she has been active? Have you looked at her scum meta?

Do you think I'm scum?

I'm not sure if you're scum, but you're less town than you have been.

Is anyone more town than yesterday? (Besides AA)

[Elyse]

It would be very difficult to lie about an invention, in my opinion. The chances of being found out are just too high.

This doesn't make sense. In fact, the invention is the

easiest

thing to lie about in this game. If AA said, "the invention gave me a cop check and I copped HD as guilty", we wouldn't know the difference, would we?

Also I'm ready to lynch moz after we get a VC.

[Elyse]

HOLD UP.

The cheese ray is a vig shot. I'm going to use it before we lynch Moz.

I am thinking about shooting MonkeyMan. I want a claim from him before I do, though.

Second choice is fuzzy.

[Elyse]

Yes, I can use it during the day.

[Elyse]

She could Vig Moz and we can continue with our day without having lost anybody in the nights. (I am assuming that the vig shot would not end the day, at least that's how it was implied)

Yeah, it won't end the day. I asked the mod.

vig the guy who hammered you the
invention. brilliant. do we need more proof that elyse is acting scummier, especially if moz flips scum?

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU GIVE ME THE INVENTION IF YOU DIDN'T THINK I WAS SCUM?

And more importantly, as scum, why would I tell the town ahead of time and take input for my vig shot? Why not just shoot a townie that the town finds scummy?

And btw, you never responded to me when I pointed out why lying about the invention is easy.

[Elyse]

i think she should vig sal or gangsta. and she could be a sk.

Yeah, especially considering that there was only one NK last night and I can shoot during the day.

I am going to vig you. Please claim.

[Elyse]

Fine I'll just vig Moz.

[Elyse]

He's talking about himself.

And even if he was scum, how would he know you had a PR?

[Elyse]

obv you want to look town. killing without player input looks bad.

No it doesn't. Vigs rarely give input.
[/quote]

if you lied about a guilty no one is just going to assume you are telling the truth. but the invention result plus moz's claim points to him being scum.

Why wouldn't people assume I was telling the truth? Your logic doesn't follow.

Also please elaborate on your SK theory.

[Elyse]

*Vigs rarely ask for input.

[Elyse]

I'd clearly prefer it if monkey got vigged, as I think he'll flip scum. One scum down, and town don't lose a PR.

This clearly shows that he was talking about himself.

Monkey is mudslinging like crazy.

[Elyse]

No it's not.

I don't understand what your second sentence is about.

Yes, I am deying that. I already explained the flaw in your theory that I'm an SK. I'm asking you to provide evidence of some sort.

Monkey you are mudslinging everywhere. It's more than questioning a claim, WHICH YOU DIDN'T WITH AA'S CLAIM.

P-edit: You're retarded if you can't see what he's saying.

[Elyse]

I don't understand what your second sentence is about.

I was talking about the invention holder lying about their claim. It's more likely to be found out than a normal claim because there are inventions every day and we can derive which one's are true or not eventually.

The inventions are different everyday. There's no way of knowing what each one does. There's no way of deriving which claims are true and false. You are either not thinking through what you are saying, stupid, or bullshitting scum.

Yes, I am deying that. I already explained the flaw in your theory that I'm an SK. I'm asking you to provide evidence of some sort.

I never said I had evidence. I said it was a possibility. And you saying that you can't be a SK because you asked for input is nothing but WIFOM.

Saying something without evidence is just dumb. "There's a possibility that AA is scum." Evidence? No, but I never said I had evidence. That's useless.

Once again, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Nowhere did I say I'm not an SK because I asked for input. I'm not an SK because there was not a second kill last night and SKs don't have the ability to daykill.

Monkey you are mudslinging everywhere. It's more than questioning a claim, WHICH YOU DIDN'T WITH AA'S CLAIM.

I questioned it in my mind, just not a lot because right now AA is about the most pro town player in the game.

Sorry I should've read your mind.

[Elyse]

I'm done with you it's like talking to a brick wall

[Elyse]

You just don't like being told you're wrong.

No you're just fucking stupid.

[Elyse]

OH MY GOD. I DIDN'T CLAIM VIG. MY INVENTION IS A VIG SHOT. I NEVER SAID YOU WERE STUPID FOR NOT ASSUMING I WAS TOWN. YOU'RE STUPID FOR BEING ILLITERATE, OBTUSE, STUPIDLY STUBBORN, ARGUING POINTS WHEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE WRONG, THROWING OUT RANDOM SK ACCUSATIONS FOR NO REASON, BEING A HYPOCRITE, AND VOTING TO GIVE SOMEONE AN INVENTION WHEN YOU DON'T THINK THEY'RE TOWN. GOD DAMN IT.

[Elyse]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MonkeyMan

[Elyse]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MonkeyMan

Guess what

nothing is going to happen until you take a vig shot

thats what happens in threads when someone claims dayvig

I sent it in the mod didn't post it yet.

[Elyse]

Omg I asked you what your invention was twice now I can't get mad at anyone.

And why isn't Monkey scum? Moz is obv powerbussing him right now.

[Elyse]

So you think Moz just decided to pick Monkey, a random townie, to attack when he was pretty much conf scum? Yeah, I doubt that.

[Elyse]

Also Monkey just drops things when he realizes he's wrong. Notice how he stopped talking about how you can't lie about an invention, and about how I'm a Day-SK.

Seriously though, you think someone who assumes I am a Day SK instead of just scum is town? He's obv scum.

[Elyse]

He doesn't say "I'm wrong" or any form of acknowledgement. He just hopes I never mention it again and it goes away.

I've explained this like twenty times Monkey. There is no difficulty in lying about an invention.

[Elyse]

And I can just as easily refute your statement. The difficulty is lying and not getting caught.

How do you get caught?

I think scum has been narrowed down to moz, gangsta, zero, sal and fuzzy. I have pretty strong town reads on everyone else.

Oh so I went from possible SK to a strong town read? Cool.

Elyse did you actually submit a daykill?

I've been waiting around for a flip

Yes, I did.

It seems that Elyse is lying about the invention then?

Seems like an odd thing to do.

I'm not lying. But you are bipolar.

[Elyse]

Woo hoo.
VOTE: MonkeyMan

[Elyse]

HEY MONKEY

ugh...


Explain the strong town read on HD/Zara/replacement

Explain the strong town read on Bacde

also, I want your reason for Guille's

and your crazy as fuck read on Elyse

[Elyse]

Monkey can't live until LyLo.

Scum won't kill him. Let's just get this over with.

[Elyse]

Did fuzzy say that meta shouldn't be factored in?
No.

But his meta does not make you conf town. ESPECIALLY considering that YOU were the one who pointed it out.

[Elyse]

You accusing elyse of being a daykilling sk reads to me as "I'm scum but I think Elyse is scum too! Maybe she's an sk!"

This is also a very good point.

[Elyse]

You're not even close to conf town. You're closer to conf scum.

Now explain your reads or die.

[Elyse]

Well then stop posting nonsense. You obviously had the time to do it when you looked up Mozamis' meta.

[Elyse]

YOU ARE POSTING RIGHT NOW HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO LIST A FEW REASONS FOR YOUR CHANGE IN READS

[Elyse]

Being a bully doesn't get you anywhere in life, Elyse.

Good luck in the real world if you think what I'm doing is bullying.

I know if I'm a power role, I just don't intend on claiming because there's no case against me. I've presented a good case against gansta, better than Elyse's reactive case against me, and if no one wants to listen then that's your own fault.

Where's this case? At this point you are just stalling providing reasons for your reads because you don't have any.

You guys, stop. Monkey is not scum, he is not scum. Monkey is town, not scum, town. He shouldn't be the one who get's lynched. His actions and reactions do not make sense coming from a scum perspective

Yes they do.

[Elyse]

Elyse? I think you might want to trust mom's reads.

You thought Moza was town, until Mom revealed the results of our invention. You wouldn't listen to Mom's case and called it bad. (as did Moza, none of you actually listened to Mom and Moza completely ignored the major points of the case so...)

Right now, I'd be thinking about possibly following Mom's reads, not continuing to beat a dead horse to death.

As for right now, We are thinking that Fuzzy and Zaradi/HD as last scum. Mom has the rest of you as varying degrees of Town. Her reasons also vary from person to person. Me, I disagree with her on a few areas... But I won't argue the two I mentioned as Moza's scumbuddy.

Oops my bad I forgot that when someone is right on one read, we should automatically listen to them and block out everyone else.

Would it be a bad idea to claim what character each of us is, to see if scum have fakeclaims?

Based on Moz's WTF claim I'm thinking there aren't any, and it would force scum to choose some obscure character to make sure they don't pick one that someone else has.

We could use popcorn and have scummy people claim first.

Thoughts?

[Elyse]

I'm not even going to try to explain it to you

[Elyse]

No, we are not mass-claiming. It'll only just unnecessarily out our PR's

How would name claiming out PRs?

But I'm alright with putting it on hold.

Also okay with a Z3ro lynch if Monkey won't go through. All he does is cheerlead on the side without posting substance.

Even when there's a vote on him he doesn't do much.

[Elyse]

How am I supposed to "do much" when I don't even know why I was voted?

Hm, I dunno. Maybe ask WHY you were voted or post some sort of substance.

UNVOTE: Monkey
VOTE: Z3ro

Maybe that will light a fire under your ass.

[Elyse]

We can decide to lynch fuzzy or not after massclaim.

Z3ro or Monkey is the lynch today.

[Elyse]

You just voted for yourself

[Elyse]

Fuzzy has always been town when I played with him, and I've always been town too. There's not much out of the ordinary besides the sketchy "I thought I was lynched" excuse.

[Elyse]

Why did you claim

[Elyse]

Idk, a town BP seems likely, especially with Moz being a scum vig.

[Elyse]

Should we just lynch the Zaradi slot and hope for the best? It'll help the mod out too.

[Elyse]

Why are you so quick to believe Z3rO, Elyse?

I already said that BP is likely in a setup with a scum vig.

is Zaradi still the main player in the Zaradi slot?

what happened to gansta duck?

why is this game still happening with empty slots?

No, it was HD after Zaradi but he replaced out.

GD is empty too, but it's a different slot.

[Elyse]

What?

Moza wasn't scum vig, He was scum godmother who was vig killed... Zero's role and character claim makes no sense.

Zero, who is your character and what is your role?

Oh.

Oh. You're right AA.

I read the death wrong.

Same.

This also makes fuzzy (and I guess me) town. Scum would know their partners' abilities.

But it doesn't count for me because I pointed it out.

[Elyse]

No you're not

[Elyse]

Wait nvm yes you are but not because of that

[Elyse]

Shut up

[Elyse]

I keep looking and hoping the thread will be locked, but every time I'm disappointed.

[Elyse]

No

[Elyse]

Vote Invention: Elyse

VOTE: Ghostlin

I feel bad about you replacing in and doing all that work, sorry.

But if you're not scum (I am 99% sure you are) we just lynch Sala after and we win either way.

[Elyse]

Inno Mozamis
Guilty Ghost.

Moz flipped scum...?

UNVOTE:

[Elyse]

Oops forgot about Moz being a godfather. Sorry Sala.

VOTE: Ghostlin

[Elyse]

No I deserve it more I'm closer to getting it anyway.

[Elyse]

idk man someone should hammer

[Elyse]

can we end this game or what

[Elyse]

Woohoo

[Elyse]

Props to AA and Sala.

Also, moz and Ghostlin, I thought you guys were townie despite the damning evidence. If it weren't for that I probably would've called you town. So good job.

The setup is very swingy and I think it went pretty bad for scum. The chances of town getting both inventions and finding two scum with them was pretty low, but it happened.

I was slightly disappointed in the mod, but he wasn't terrible.

I was more disappointed with Z3ro. Everyone else, it was a fun game.

Sorry monkey and fuzzy!