Mini 1443: Pokemon Nuzlocke Mafia: Abandoned

[Wisdom]

VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies
because lies

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I don't vote unless I'm certain a person is scum ._.

vote: Lord Mhork

We need a quicklynch here, guys. Trust me.

So you're certain Mhork is scum now?

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So as I thought, the two posts I quoted were made by different heads. Makes sense.

pedit: And why should I know that the second post comes from you and not Ms Marangal?

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Wow, this is just bad. The votes for Minimal are bad.
Though not a voter, Wisdom is the worst as he attacked Minimal, while thinking about the correct answer.

Unvote, Vote Wisdom

Votes for Minimal are bad - let's vote someone who doesn't vote Minimal.
No but seriously I don't really have to defend for this, I saw two contradicting posts made by the same account so I pointed them out to get an explanation. I should not have to understand which head is which, that's the hydra's problem. And if they want to be secretive about who is posting each time then they will have to deal with things like contradicting posts.

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Why do you devote a post to defending an attack if it doesn't require one? Also I agree with Syryana that it's bad to give the hydra an out like this. From now on they have a cheap get out of jail free card due to 'miscommunication' whenever they might need it. What's your answer to that?

I am not sure where I said that I don't agree with this. Are you sure you read my post correctly?

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So you seriously believe it's a scumtell?

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And why is that?

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So you argue that it's anti-town, something that has been mentioned many times already.
Nothing new.

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The thing is, that's not a scumtell on its own. It will be scummy however if they try to justify every contradiction etc. with "we're a hydra".
But this has also been said already.

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So Minimal, why are you still voting me?

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I don't see why that would show naivety.

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: YOLO

Also not liking the fuzzy votes.

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Desperado is scum for a shitty, WIFOMy case; what's difficult to understand about that? ("That player looks town so they must be scum" is the worst argument I have ever heard.)

Have you never seen town make bad cases or arguments?

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Why? What makes you think that you should be above suspicion?

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I don't think so.

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Syryana, what makes you think everyone plays the same in every game?

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Is meta a proven way of reading fuzzy?

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Because the votes on him are terrible.
Why are you dodging my question?

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fuzzy can be like that as town. It's a playstyle thing. Votes solely based on his meta(and basing it on just 1-2 games at that) are therefore bad, especially when there are scummier people around.

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He might be town, he might be scum. I am not calling him town, I am saying the accusations on him have been bullshit.

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hey Kuror0!

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kuror0 sounds like town to me.
And please stop with the argument that "scum replace out" because it's bullshit. If anything, ETL's replace out looked like town.

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@Wisdom why so silent this game?

I'm not always hyperactive. Depends on players.

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Yup, it is.

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Liking the wagon, but I like the YOLO wagon too. I'll wait to hear from Mhork.

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I agree, I dislike wagons that grow so easily on D1.

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fuzzy's unvote after people state they don't like the fast wagon is interesting.
Don't know what to think of it yet though.

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I have yet to see a quick wagon on scum.

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Not attacking it. I still like it.

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Yeah, I know it can happen, I was just saying it hasn't happened to me.

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Because I generally dislike those speedy wagons on D1, but I still like the wagon in regards to the arguments against Mhork.

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Nope, already said that I'm waiting to hear from Mhork.
I also want to hear from guile, because I liked the YOLO wagon too.

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Not objecting to it, not joining it. I need to hear from Mhork.

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Third prod dodge from Mhork... still waiting.

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351 - serra's "case" on Mhork
357 - kuror0's case on Mhork
376 - Desperado's case on Mhork

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@Wisdom
Once again, what is your exact opinion on the Mhork case? Why do you think he's scummy?

When I first read his posts something seemed weird; he didn't remind me of the town-Mhork I know, and then the cases on him made sense and agreed with my gut read. Nothing to add yet, as, once again, I want to see him answer first.

Also I want to see guille posting some content.

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Mhork's posts made me feel a little better about him, though not completely. Enough to not make me join his wagon though.

fuzzy is typical fuzzy, and I'm afraid that he might be town doing this stuff. We at least know that the name claim is probably legit, since there is another Gym Leader, but that doesn't mean anything about his alignment. However the claim generally gives me a town vibe; so early, and just VT, it really doesn't look like a scum claim to me.

Therefore, staying on guille and waiting for him to post.

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Or it might not stall because of scum partners bussing.
This discussion is pointless.

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UNVOTE:
Liking guille

[Wisdom]

My top scum reads right now are Des(definitely), Salamence as a slightly weaker scum read, and

possibly

Syr and Squid.

Reasons?

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Also why are you voting someone who isn't in your top scum reads?

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So.. no reasons. Just gut.

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I'm not sure why you're so confident.

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Why is Salamence's ISO so empty?

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Marangal mentions "Messiah thinks this" and "Messiah thinks that" in most of her posts so it isn't hard, really.

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Is fuzzy your biggest scum suspect?

Try reading 522. I don't actually like the fuzzy wagon.

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I never voted him.

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Reason?

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Well it bothers me.
He has given us zero content, and now he votes for the easiest wagon without an explanation.

VOTE: Salamence

[Wisdom]

This active lurking...

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Sal, Wisdom, what do you think of what I am saying in regards to Desperado?

I don't know because I can't be bothered to read these walls, but he generally seems town to me.

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Well I'm gonna compromise for Mhork if nobody wants to go for Salamence. Not liking anything else.

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And definetely not fuzzy, of course.

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@Wisdom
Still waiting on your explanation what your definition of town-Mhork is.

There's no definition, I just didn't get the town-vibe I expected.

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Lord Mhork have you played with Salamence before?

Im town. You town in this game, bud?

Why did you feel like mentioning you are town here?

[Wisdom]

Squidward has disappeared as well; and all he's done is "Sheep me and vote Syryana", without adding new reasons for why Syryana is scum and without addressing any of Syryana's later posts.

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Squidward has played since the beginning, guille hasn't.

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And "because you are" you just mention it while quoting something totally irrelevant?

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I don't like either Mhork or Fuzzy

If you have to compromise, which will it be?

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wtf why are people voting Desp?

Get back to voting Sala already, his hop on yet another wagon speaks for itself.

I will not lynch fuzzy or Desp.

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serra why are you voting Desp?

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That's wrong. What he's arguing is that Marangal has built her case on a misunderstanding and that she's wrong. He's not even arguing that she's scum.

Vote Sala, or even Mhork. Anything's better than Desp.

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I don't see anything bad about it. If kuror0 changed his mind on the slot I don't see why he wouldn't agree and sheep kuror0's reads.
At the very least he's right that it's not telling either way that he did so. Reads depelop and change.

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Acting like a noob /= being scum either. Yet his lynch got quite popular fast. That's a good reason to think he's not scum.

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You said that "there is a chance he is scum but I want to lynch him even if he's town" so not really.

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Just vote Sala, guys.

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It's okay, you don't have to selfvote. The others have to vote you.

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So that means you think Squidward is scum?

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I don't think it's necessary to make an announcement every time you change a read.

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You're being silly, Desp is town, now vote Sala.

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We're not lynching Desp, so start compromising.

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Barely; one has 3 and the other 2.

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Does the same go for Mhork?

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Because I'm guessing I'll be moving my vote there if nobody votes Sala.

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Yes, I'm not lynching fuzzy.

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Mhork, Salamence, fuzzy and Desperado all have 3 votes now.

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that she slipped on her question to Wisdom?

The question was to Syryana actually

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fuzzy why not Sala?

[Wisdom]

Well I have to go and I'll be going V/LA afterwards, so

VOTE: Mhork

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Sala

Wagon formation speed is and was not alignment indicative, and jumping off a wagon for being too fast is a really bad idea

Right you are.

[Wisdom]

Btw:

Question before I go to bed: Are we hunting scum... or

Team Rocket?!?

It looks like ETL knew something; Mhork did flip Team Rocket-scum.

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You think so, Wisdom? I think it'd be entirely too obvious for scum to just give away their flavour so flippantly. Plus I had a townread on her, and I have on kuro.

So do I, but it's strange that it was accurate.

[Wisdom]

Mafia have no kill, per se

^Reminder

[Wisdom]

So there's one or two scums on this list here...
serrapaladin
kuror0
fuzzybutternut
Syryana
Salamence20
Desperado

Since Mhork made this list, there's probably indeed at least one scum on there. Most likely exactly one.

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Yeah, that's a possibility.

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Jason is a very likely partner too btw.
He tried hard to get people to vote for Mhork's counterwagon (fuzzy); here's an example:

Wow fuzzy, you are scummy as fuck, hey Mhork wagon, this is a much better wagon

And on top of that, he never commented on any of the Mhork cases, despite asking for someone to link them to him.

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You said you are not getting the Mhork wagon.
You asked for links to the cases against Mhork.
You got them.
Someone pointed out that you did not comment on any of them.
You said you forgot.
You never did it anyway.

Meanwhile, you kept voting the counterwagon and encouraging the people voting Mhork to join you there.

Does that make you scum? (Yes, very possibly.)

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@Squidward
Will you post anything useful today that doesn't involve pushing Syryana?

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I agree, but her accuracy was weird.

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Then again it's not strange for the scum team to be flavored as Team Rocket in a Pokemon themed game, so maybe it means nothing at all.

But I just thought that this is based on multiple regions, so wouldn't it make sense for other evil teams to be present?

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Well, alignment is determined before character names.
Mhork picked a Kanto starter.
So I am guessing that if someone picked a different region they would be in the evil team of that region.
So yeah, I get how it is now.

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Oh nvm, he actually got a Johto starter.
But same thing.

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Why's that?

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Jason remind me why you're voting Sala and why you called it "obv vote"?

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Is there any reason other than that post? I don't remember you pushing Sala at all yesterday.

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Why Jason over Sala?

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"Sala one"? Are you saying that this is normal town play for Sala?

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What did he do in that game that is similar to his play here?
And give us a link if possible.

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I don't think his play there is similar to his play here

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I thought that you were saying "the Sala one" meaning that he always plays like that.
If that's not the case, then I don't see why you don't find his actions scummy.

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And why did you unvote now? It's not like this was the reason you were voting him...

Yeah I think I'll be switching to Jason.

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Fair enough

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So why didn't you vote fuzzy again if he's more scummy?

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Kay.
What's your case on fuzzy again?

[Wisdom]

Salamence20 - Null

So if that post from Sala looked "so fucking scummy", enough to make you vote him over your top scumread, how did he now fall to null?

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But the reason you voted him (and even called your vote "obv") was that post. Nothing to do with meta.

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You saw a post that you considered survivalistic.
You thought obv scum and voted.
You then bring an

extra

point why he's scum (meta).
That point is proven null.
Your read on him falls to null.

It doesn't make sense. The initial reason for your vote was the post he made. In this game. Not anything meta related.

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If you had the meta read you would have checked it and realized that it doesn't apply.
You're currently lying.
VOTE: Jason

[Wisdom]

Squidward and guille have still not posted a thing on D2. Guess they should be replaced.

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You disagree?

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Read post 2, serra.

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I don't know, wouldn't that help scum?

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fuzzy is right. We should ignore that angry rant from Mhork because it's WIFOM.

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We still need the mod to replace Guille and Squidward

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Agree with above

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Pokemon Trainer Lucas, Chimchar

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So I was wrong about Jason :/
Who was scum?

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We already established scum were in the evil teams, so I guess fire breathers weren't scum.

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Salamence, Squidward, guille
Scum somewhere in there.

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Pim I wouldn't guess.
But I was right about YOLO/guille.

I think we would win eventually.

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Chimchar, Starly, two Bidoof