Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Mafia Game Over

[fuzzybutternut]

VOTE: Mac

Hey guys!

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Harry Potter, Harry Potter!

Glad it's started, a lot of familiar faces too

I approve of this.

So, uhh, yeah.

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*sigh* i love this game already.

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..Dobby's sock.

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hahaha i just stumbled on this. If I go out, it will be posting this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reop2bXiNgk

what in the actual fuck did I just watch..

anywho, yeah, Mhork, what do you mean?

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Wait, nevermind Mhork. I gotcha.

I've never played with Saint, either.

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The sock is in the book.

Uhh, well, tbh, If I had to take a guess based off the content that has been given, I'd say that DP is scum buddies with DeasVail.

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Lime Green
Spring
I personally like hedgehogs.
Uhh..relax?
Football, baseball, Darts.
Nimbus, definitely.
I hate socks, personally. They're constricting.
If that house elf was dobby, yes.
Voldemort is a bitch.

LOL.

What did we gain from that?
Nothing. -.-

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Oh darn. I've been figured out. :S

lol, seriously though, that's pretty clever.

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Overall, what are your thoughts on Safety?
Personally, I think he's a town read.

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Yeesh man. Get well soon!

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Mhork, Saint reminds me a lot of myself in the fact that people literally say this about me all the time when I'm town. I don't want to lynch him until he starts acting scummy.

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10 Points to mister Neville Longbottom!

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I'm sorry, I love Harry Potter way too much to let these comments go. So just bare with me.

Ghostlin! You scum again?

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Oh god..Nuzlocke. That game. Mhork, why you freak out so bad?

TMTQRLZUQUOEPDH: Why is Bro your strongest town read?

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10 Points to mister Neville Longbottom!

this is a very weird post. are you referring to Ghostlin?

Saint..this is a quote from the movie. Neville gets the 10 points that wins gryffindor the House Cup.

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No no, during the awarding of the house cup. Though that scene is why he got the 10 points.

I'm seriously hoping DV isn't scum again.

P-edit: Professor Quirrel.

Hmm, good question. I'm getting good town vibes from you and Mhork.
DV i'm not too sure about. I'm iffy there.

AA9 could be scum.

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bah FB was hoping you posted on page 4 at the bottom... im going to play league... will check back in a bit

OH NICE TIMING BRO

obviously.... i know my HP, dude....
I don't think DV is scum. DV is my strongest townread for that bolded. I feel the exact same way DV does. You can see the timing of my posts vs. me reading the game... I had the same reasoning, but I didn't want to throw out weak sentiment on the vote... I was holding that in... I'm more of a descartes man, myself, than Ghostlin's English style. ahem. Sorry to go off on a tangent... I tend to do that when writing.. let me get back to this post.

Ah Quirrel... been so long since I read that... years... and I should probably kick the DVD in as a refresher.. I have 2 copies floating around
How are you getting townvibes from Mhork? He, to me, feels like he is reaching, lying about his reasoning, and being offensive to the point I would policy him if King!(maker hehe)
Our reads are completely backwards.... weird... maybe you should cast protego on my mind hahahahaha

It's an..eh..associative tell I suppose. He's not playing like he was in Nuzlocke. If he's scum, we'll find out eventually.

DV- I'll believe you for now. You haven't said anything to make me change my mind.

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I agree on the Saint read.
Not too sure about the Bro thing. I'm having a hard time reading him.

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I guess I'll wait for saint's response to that one.

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Tbh, i've seen town and scum do them, so it's a null tell for me.

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Alright, I think you've sufficiently summarized and explained to me why Saint is scum, so I'll retract my townread on Saint.

*Hands you a piece of fence to sit on.* No one reverses their opinion this quickly. Do you have any conviction (in another game, I'd say 'balls') at all?

Unvote.

Vote: TMT

For 'durr, you're right, Mhork, Saint seems scummy after all.'

nice omgus

I like this post. But I also don't like it. I like it in the sense that you are right and that was pretty scummy; however, I don't like it because you jumped on it without second thought.

OMGUS: Not actually a scum tell.

Am I more scummy because of it?

Ok, and I'm scum because...?

This sounds a bit cheeky, but I'd not buy DV for scum. At least he didn't reverse his position in a complete 180 in his post.

cause my gut says you are scum, and I have learned to trust my gut

Look. I know a number of players read credence in their gut, but you're going to actually have to tell me where in the game DV is being scummy in order to

earn

my vote on the wagon you're trying to start.

Again: Like and dislike.
You seem like over reactive scum here. "That's not a scum tell." Yeah, no one called you scum for it.
Last bit's the only part I like..so..yeah.

VOTE: Ghostlin

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Lying=\=scum

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...Saint wtf are you doing?

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Jake- I'm still not sure. ~Feelings~ keep getting in the way. I just completely disagree with the reasoning he uses and... the whole OMGUS and modkill things are just so weird! Could you link me to a game where you behave similar to this. Also, what caused the change in opinion from this post?

I am not sure what you are referring to with the "change in opinion" and the link to another game. There is no change in opinion that I see.


modkill? - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4760926 or http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4903831

I am a player who plays by the rules. What you did was purposely altered his posts by trying to insert hidden messages. If you don't see where that is wrong, well you and I will never see eye to eye. That is just bad play if you are town, even if you meant it as a joke,

I'm not going through my games for OMGUS, omgus is all taken in context of the situation. I make valid points about you and you call me scum, that's not pro-town omgus. If I was making up lies and you OMGUS'd me that would be pro-town OMGUS.

Jake, just drop the whole modkill thing. Seriously, I didn't even taken seriously. I knew it was a joke, and found it to be rather clever. So shhh.

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Hey Rach!

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Hey Amrun!

Jake, stop being scum for a second and look at what you're posting, please. It's shit.

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'cause that's definitely all I ever do.

Please, tell me what your case is again.

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<3

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mm. Right.

You're overdue for a scum game, aren't you?

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Is it just me, or is Jake more Aggro as scum?

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Nope. I read the only game he's started as scum, though. At least, the only one on his wiki.

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Aggro-Aggressive

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Yes, but you're more Aggro as scum.

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You replaced into those, correct?

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*shrug* Just trying to figure out who's scum, Rach.

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His wiki, rach.

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Uhh..the fact that you stated posts where I was CLEARLY explaining something only supports the fact that you're scum

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Lol. Kk. So, who's your partner then?

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Hey, Jake, you seem to think that your vote matters to me.

Newsflash. It doesn't.

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Mmm. Sorry. Just not too convinced that you're town.

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Tell me again how you're helping town?

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I'm sorry, I love Harry Potter way too much to let these comments go. So just bare with me.

Ghostlin! You scum again?

Hey, Jake, did you catch this in my ISO, or did you completely overlook it to gain a shit wagon on me?

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if you are town, you still have to show people you are scum hunting. I have directly challenged you to prove it.

if you refuse town, people will just start looking through your ISO and think to themselves "DAMN, jake is right. Fuzzy isn't doing anything but fluff posting"

and then it's a downward spiral with you being lynched.

so don't do it cause I ask you, do it cause you want to show the rest of town you are actually trying to find scum.

Btw, this post is practically telling people to vote for me.

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I'm sorry, I love Harry Potter way too much to let these comments go. So just bare with me.

Ghostlin! You scum again?

Hey, Jake, did you catch this in my ISO, or did you completely overlook it to gain a shit wagon on me?

that isn't scum hunting. if you honestly think that is and you are town

Did I say it was?

No. I said "Ignore those comments." Meaning they're literally NOT going to go away. So get over it.

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I'm sorry, I love Harry Potter way too much to let these comments go. So just bare with me.

Ghostlin! You scum again?

Hey, Jake, did you catch this in my ISO, or did you completely overlook it to gain a shit wagon on me?

that isn't scum hunting. if you honestly think that is and you are town

Did I say it was?

No. I said "Ignore those comments." Meaning they're literally NOT going to go away. So get over it.

what does those comments have to do with your claim that you have been scum hunting?

why, when I am asking you to provide evidence of your scum hunting, do you quote that post if it wasn't to show you scum hunting?

Because you quoted posts of mine that were strictly related to the post I quoted. I.e. you were trying to incriminate me for something that I blatantly told you to ignore.

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misspelling bear is a town tell?

bear with me not bare with me. that one and someone saying I am board instead of bored drive me nuts, though I am not quite the Grammar Nazi NS is.

Eh. Lack of sleep. Etc. Etc.

And uh, that wasn't even serious. >.<

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^have you looked at my Wiki recently? Did it not update? :S

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am playing a quick game of quidditch
will post thoughts momentarily

Watch out for the bludgors. Nasty little boogers.

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God no. Those were ages ago. I have ~30 completed games on site. I started updating last night and got tired of typing, so I quit. Venrob's EpicMafia Adventure mafia (in my wiki) is a scum game also. I can link you to some more recently completed ones.

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Sure thing. Umm..I'll just go look at that now. :S

I forget what games I was scum in.

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*sigh* okay. Back on track you guys.

Where the hell is everyone?

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Kind of hard to do when no one is around.

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That's my point. There isn't much to go on other than PoE.

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Nothing I find suspicious, no. My reactions with you show me you're town. Saint is also town.
I'd like to hear more from CDB.

Amrun is likely town.
TMT is scum
Ghostlin is scum.

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I'll answer that later.

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Saint, can you please try to keep your thoughts in one post? maybe just spoil it or something. It creates useless page clutter.

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I'm not scum >.<
Blasted replacements.... Catching up

Said every scum replacement, ever.

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This day is dragging on and on ._.

Ghostlin, what about those two posts "stinks?"

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well, personally, i get lynched as town more than as scum... so maybe i should...

Let's not bring WIFOM into this, please.

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Yep. I believe that. Mhork and Rach as Fred and George. Nice.

Thanks Rach.

Alright, so they aren't scum. I'm going to assume scum is flavored as Voldemort and his death eaters? That'd be interesting, but I hope not.

Hmm. Rach, any reads?

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Gah. I love this game.
Gives me a reason to use Harry Potter names and stuff again since there are no more books/movies

Hmm. CDB-why Ghostlin?

I'm getting a really strong gut feel about Penguin.

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Oh, sorry. Scum. Normally my gut points to scum.

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holy shit
someone ELSE is saintlike

Are they "holey" like Fred was?

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I just caught that redhead comment. :S

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Rach claimed Mason with Mhork to stop him from being mislynched. She also crumbed it earlier in the game.

I see this as completely legit.

You're caught up.

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I don't blame you. ^.^

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Hey, Jake. I never did either, so..

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Explained why I was voting Mhork.
Why didn't you call me out on it?

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...right

er..
I really need to go to sleep. was up watching a stream all night. :s

I thought Mhork was ghostlin.

Carry on.

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*sigh*
>internets off for a day.
>quick lynch

Bloody hell

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Rach, who is the most likely to be scum that is a lurker? Active?

Amrun, I believe youre town, for now.

If you had to give a gun to someone via your wand, who would you give a gun to?

What is this?

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@Penguin: Because I had a town read on Arch. Yes, the claim was BS, but it wasn't a scum tell by any means.

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IN case it's still not there
VOTE: Ghostlin

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Nope. I play this game putting myself in the shoes of scum. That wasn't a scum claim, because it was absolutely suicidal. Was it stupid? God yes, but there's a reason I didn't put my vote on Arc. 1.) I was gone. 2.) She wasn't scum.

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In the universe where you're not Fred and George...?

You're likely town, but regardless, that's a silly question. (Lol belatedly realize i didn't even think of giving the gun to one o f the claimed masons but I'm not confident either of them would shoot well)

Saint, I'm not meta reliant but I certainly take it into account.

Fuzzy, you fail to take into account that scum make suicidal moves when they're already as good as dead, as arc did. I thought Arc might be some scum variant, but no way was she Percy Weasley, SUPER SAINT. Obviously fake claims like that need to die, because try can never be trusted in lylo. Why can they never be trusted in lylo? Because they have a good shot at being scum.

Hmm, ever think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, she wanted to stay in this game? Maybe she didn't want to be lynched out, so she claimed something that MIGHT just save her? No?
What's all this talk about Lylo? How can you be so certain that we're going to make it to lylo?

VOTE: Amrun

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Fuzzy, you fail to take into account that scum make suicidal moves when they're already as good as dead, as arc did. I thought Arc might be some scum variant, but no way was she Percy Weasley, SUPER SAINT. Obviously fake claims like that need to die, because try can never be trusted in lylo. Why can they never be trusted in lylo? Because they have a good shot at being scum.

I think he's being disingenuous on purpose. I think Fuzzy knows well the possible motivations of the AA lynch and he's not even taken the position of 'Gee guys, I don't know, maybe Angel's an VI.'

No, he called it crap in Twilight. And then when he's called on it, he's seeming to claim that it was the most obvious thing in the world she was obv Town and what the hell are we doing?

That's cognitively dissonant on an extreme level, Amrun, and it's not a position I believe comes from Town, but

scum distancing themselves from the lynch

. The Super Saint claim was extreme, a last ditch effort to get folks off her wagon, and while she flipped town, WAS NOT TOWN. IT WASN'T PRO-TOWN, OR BEHAVIOR A VT SHOULD HAVE ENGAGED IN.

Uh, you do realize the lynch occurred WHILE I WAS AWAY, right? I never said it was obvious that she was town, but Scum doesn't do that. That is literally Suicidal. Scum would claim scum before they claim supersaint.

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No, I'm actually not. Please give me a scenario where scum would claim SUPERSAINT to try to survive, given MS's history of THAT SPECIFIC CLAIM.

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Mhm. I can fake missing votes on me too, btw.

It's suicidal for scum, meaning scum would never do that, because it's fucking suicidal.
It's NOT suicidal for town, because town may or may not have a reason to claim it. I can think of several reasons as to why she would claim it, and survivalism is only one of them.

>votes someone
>loses their town read
OMGUS

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It's not illogical at all, actually.

Where did I say OMGUS was a scum tell?
You don't have to vote someone to suck.
Really? Because the retraction of your town read was only stated after quoting the post in which I voted you.

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Fuzzy, if you are VT (PRs are something else entirely) then what do you have to gain by:

1) Insisting you stay alive by lying about your role (yes. You should fight your lynch, but PR claims are extremely anti-town if you don't have one)
2) Claiming a PR that could very easily be counter-claimed.
3) Claiming something that's entire goal is to prevent votes because the hammering vote dies?

You realize you are arguing that we shouldn't have lynched someone guilty of all 3. You have argued at the same time that it was a preservation move for Town and suicidal for scum, as if without a flip there's much of a difference. Your argument is cognitively dissonant at worst and WIFOMsque at best. You refuse to consider for a moment that the Archangel lynch was the right thing to do because we couldn't have taken such a claim to LYLO.

What's worse, I'm not convinced you don't realize exactly all of the above and are pushing this to try to push both on Amrun and clear yourself of any wrongdoing of a mislynch.

lolwut?
Please show me where i'm trying to push anything on Amrun. Go ahead. I'm waiting.
You're completely missing my point. Scum, smart or stupid, wouldn't claim SS. At all. Never. Nada. Zippo. Zilch. Not gonna happen. If they do, they deserve to go down in history as the most idiotic scum on the face of the earth. I have no doubt in my mind that it was a survivalistic claim. Perhaps she DID know she was as good as gone. perhaps that was a final attempt to draw scum out of their shell. Those three things that you mentioned make it SO OBVIOUS that you knew she was town.

To be frank, I don't care if you're convinced or not. I don't need to convince anyone. Especially not scum.

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I'm definitely waiting on TMTOLBTWNTOF's thoughts to start out today, given that he had ArcAngel9 and Ghostlin as his top scum reads. And his take on the supersaint claim seems off. Given his scum reads, one of whom was at L-1 and the other of whom was ready to hammer at the risk of being supersainted, why not put down the vote to get to L-1? Takes care of both problems. Instead it's characterized as interesting and noted as lynch-dodging behavior.

Good point.

Okay I like ghosts 614 a lot. Basically the same response to FBN that I had.

FBN, what is the "history" of the supersaint claim that you refer to? Some of us haven't been here very long and don't know shit like that, and from a theoretical perspective I can see huge scum motivation in a supersaint fakeclaim and no VT motivation for the fakeclaim.

First off, it's not full of shot. I've been reading these games since early 2009, so unless you've been here longer than that, I'd retract that statement. The whole thing with the supersaint claim is simply the fact that no one ever believes it, making it down right suicidal to do. IF someone claims it, it's usually because they believe scum is going to hammer them.

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Hmm.... In spite of that, I do feel that Ghostlin is likely town.

Why's that?

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Well, that's caked with WIFOM though, isn't it?

I mean, no scum would admit that they believed a claim before hammering, so that points is kind of moot.

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Civ 5 is taking up his time.

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I wouldn't mark him out as possible scum, but he does seem relatively town.

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Unfortunately, when you have 3 people active and the rest not-so-active, there isn't much you can do..

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The only thing I can say is that Rach and Mhork are pretty much conf. town now.

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^Lol

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Saint, that was absolutely terrible, and you should feel terrible.

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Yeah, I agree with CDB.

VOTE: Ghostlin

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Ghostlin, tell me why your scum team is trying to frame the two masons, please.

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I need more information from Penguin to decide there.
You and Rach, as I said, pretty much Conf. Town.
Ghost is scum, ofc.
Bro is..well, I dunno. Need more info there too.
CDB seems town.
Saints hammer throws me for a loop.
Bleh. >.>

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I would have hammered as either alignment. js

Why?

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Hmm.

VOTE: Broseidon

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Because I like Shiny Charizards. >.>
<.<

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Getting back to this a little later today, just posting to check in after the tiger attack.

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Not sure if this is useful or not, but I had this game open on my mobile device when the crash happened and I have the last couple posts. There was a vote count, and then:

fuzzybutternut:
Hmmm.
Three likely scenarios:
Bro is scum and his scum buddy is afraid to bus him.
Bro is scum and his scum buddy is actively bussing him.
Bro is town and there is scum on his wagon.

I think situation two is most likely.

Lord Mhork:
So you think that PA is scum then?

fuzzybutternut:
Logically, yes. I do.
I'd rather lynch BRO over him today, see what happens tonight, and look at it again tomorrow.

Anything after this point I don't have. fuzzybutternut, what makes you want to lynch BROseidon? You said earlier you needed more information; what tipped you to voting him specifically?

Saint, an answer to fuzzybutternut's question here would be good:

I would have hammered as either alignment. js

Why?

as claiming you'd hammer with no warning or chance to claim as town is pretty suspect to me.

His posts strike me as scum. Which is odd, because he doesn't have many.

also
VOTE: Penguin_Alien

No hard feelings, but scum is scum.

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Fuzzy, you seem to have fairly strong scumreads on both penguin_alien and BROseidon (and, seemingly, Ghostlin, as you agreed with me earlier). What about penguin makes you vote her over the other two?

The questioning she's doing is forced. Scum force questions to seem town.

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A+ Quoting.

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Hmm.
Why ghostlin over PA?

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...wat

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What was I wrong about again? I forgot because tigers.

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Just going to pretend like I know what's going on.....

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Town points?

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BRO is flopping.
VOTE: BRO

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inb4 hammer.

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Keep in mind, this is the first book. Clearly Hermione is pissed because Ron was picking on her.

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Also, if the names were related to the role, Harry wouldn't have been a VT.
It actually makes less sense for Hermione to be a VT if Harry was a VT too.
Of course, I'm sure scum got fakeclaims so as to avoid claiming a character someone else has.

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I'm fairly confident about his flip, actually.

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What exactly is the point in this?

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Looking for crumbs isn't scum hunting, sorry to say.

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Personally, I think CDB investigated him and got a scum, by how he was softly hinting that he thought Bro was scum.
so, he's scum.

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Unless that was a slip of the

tongue

typing finger and you meant DV, in which case I think that's a stretch, especially when it makes so much more sense for him to have investigated the masons.

Yeah! DV. :s
I haven't slept yet...

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also, not really. It wouldn't make sense for him to investigate the masons because
1.) IF they are lying, it will become apparent eventually.
2.) If they aren't lying, it's a wasted investigation that was obvious from the start.

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Bro, you're looking awefully guilty right now.

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BRO, your wall is unimpressive and doesn't change my desire to lynch you...

This.

Also, Amrun, yes, it most certainly was worth a read.

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Welp.
I'm fairly confident he's scum now.

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Welp.
I'm fairly confident he's scum now.

Be useful.

Oh wait you're scum so you wont

I am useful.
You're redirecting.
Town doesn't do that.

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Umm..
you should have been doing that long time ago, bud.

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Whatever helps you sleep at night, Bro.

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Bah.

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I was looking forward to claiming too. kaljdfkajfak. DAMN YOU ROLECOP.

Anywho, this was really fun, Nexus. :3

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xD

I just wanted to see everyone's reaction to Snape being town aligned.
Especially since it's book 1.