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In post 716, Jennifer wrote:I haven't had any items until I found one when I moved last night.
I'm weary of providing town reads. Especially given we haven't found any scum yet, I don't want to make it easier for scum to figure out who their ideal LYLO situation. Although it appears that they can only kill if in the same room or adjacent room, I don't think that's as a big a limiting factor as we think.
(1) there have to be multiple scum. We don't know how they trigger their killing mechanism works, but presumably more than 1 of them could do the kill, which means they can cover more ground.
(2) We know there is that item that lets you move to whatever room you want. So it's possible that one of them gets that and strategically places themselves for maximum coverage.
I also agree with Jake that we may be getting a bit too caught up in the mechanics of the game, that we're letting regular scumhunting slip by the waysideI do think we should continue to reveal information, etc to try to narrow things down, but just be mindful.
Mollie's, you're up.
There's A) the scumslip and then look there's also B!!!!In post 718, shos wrote:^^^ I'm inclined to vote Jen just for this post alone, lol. will explain soon.
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@Jen:
as a start I'm going to have to be surprised there: no item on all three nights? sounds suspicious to me..like what scum would say to hide kill attempts.. >_>
you said that 'it appears that they can only kill if in the same room or adjacent room'. seriously? it's almost as if it is WRITTEN IN THE RULES?
in 1) you said 'how they trigger their killing mechanism works'. that is obviously not what you naturally wrote. there's either how they trigger their killing mechanism, or how their killing mehcnaism works. not both. to me it seems like a bad slip: it slips that something has to be done to trigger a kill. town would have no reason to think that we don't know how their kill works - the rules state it clearly. the rules also say "Mafia may or may not have other rules and privileges not expressed here." - which is exactly what you just slipped.
in that last sentence there's another problematic sentence: '...regular scumhunting slip by the waysideI do think..'. see, this only means one thing in my eyes. tell me what the 'side' was doing there and I'll tell you what I think from all this.
that is post 716. she says she did not have any item until 'she found one last night'.
then there's post 1071 which sums up the items/locations etc, in which Jen is marked to have had no item like ever until tonight. Jen has seen and posted after that post.
this just fits my theory perfectly - both about the scumslip and about how the scums claimed ot have no items so that they can make kills which was confirmed in Beli and then when it got found out and noted by me all of a sudden she does get an item (we all forgot about 716 of course)...
so yeah, I believe I caught Jenscum and I'm done. if you guys still want to hammer me go ahead, get Jen tomorrow.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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well obviously you are town if jen is scum. but I think that you are town even if she is town.
if the chart is anything like that then we should add 'hold' or 'drop' in there. I don't think Jen said anything about holding an item.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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^^^ is true.
I'm pretty sure taht if we lynch Jen we get scum. if we don't, then actually I think mollie is indeed the most viable suspect. I just...don't remember why I take her as obvtown, and with the reassessment of penguin and her radio silence, that's my immediate pick.
but first things first: lynch Jen.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Jen, I found precisely THREE supposed scumslips. one is by you, which hasn't been answered yet and still I believe it is a scumslip ("trigger a nightkill mechanism works"). one was answered by the mod, which was entirely legitimate and if the mod hadn't rephrased it, we'd immediately catch molliescum (which is not out of our options btw if you are town). the last one was here with penguin who supposedly worked on an assumption that the rules possibly contradict.
answer me this: if you had the horseshoe on N2, why didn't you use it? why did you choose to use it tonight (and how/on who? remind me what it does again ><)(we should add a list of what each item does)In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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so you're saying that you lied here.In post 716, Jennifer wrote:I haven't had any items until I found one when I moved last night.
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scum found.
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I never said you didn't respond, I said it wasn't answered, resolved. ergo, I still think it's a scumslip. and I don't need your credibility, lol. there's no flaw in the logic; you said you recieved an item, and NOW you said that you did not have any item. simple logic calls contradiction. contradiction means a lie or a mistake. you just made sure that it is not a mistake NOW, and obviously it is not a mistake during 716, since you got the horseshoe AFTER it.
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ah screw it, she's right, no slip again -_- I still think she's the best lynch now, tho. even for the fact that she's discreditting me for a mistake in my scumhunting and voting me for erring and not for being scum. her scumhunting is not scumhunting, it is pointing why others are not 100% sure correct, and it's been that way the entire game iirc (didn't ISO yet). considering the townreads I already have, this is an easy jump for me and I'm keeping my vote there.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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I have to say that, if mollie made that mistake too it's even worse that you base a 'you can't trust what shos says' on that. as town, whenever someone states facts in front of you you check them. in no way this is an attempt to 'bamboozle you from me', lol. last I checked your reasons to vote me are basically omgus.
which brings me to ask - all the others voting me - what's the reason for that?In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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well assuming that there's only one scum, we should just try to keep Mala and Serra alive, and all the rest we can spare. just lynch one by one and make a careful choice in myloIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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well then. still town.
my will - just keep mala and serra alive, you should do fine. tomorrow's lynch should be Jen. if there actually is a third scum - well we're in trouble then, good luck with that~In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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*Sigh* I'm out of focus lately.
so uh. I don't understand something in your post - how can Jen know when a kill can be attempted? your post says why not keep it for when it'se needed, but Jen, if town, has no way of knowing if the scum will kill tonight. the scum HAVE to attempt kill every 2 nights, they do NOT have to kill ONLY once in two nights.
you might be scum after all ya know. this game, oh this gameIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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this is why I thought it was three scum in the first place.......
could we seriously be in possible mylo?
should we attempt a nolynch?In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Serra could not have pulled a nolynch. I specifically said that I had to wake up early for the army and I will hammer if nobody has.
and if you remember I told you that I already checked beli's meta and there's nothing really to be taken from there. you're welcome to do the research yourself and see I'm right (maybe that'll make you think I'm town btw ^_^) and rethink. from my knowledge of Beli, it is quite possible that he and Jen bussed each other early for towncred.
btw guys I'm a guy if it wasn't known...In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Mala, I repeat, the force-NL is nothing since I specifically said in which hour my alarm clock goes off and left 0% to chance of a nolynch. and confirming the dagger doesn't add anything - he could be scum with dagger, he'll be aware of what the item does but not use it.
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Look I have no problem with people calling you town since I'm like a gazillion percent sure taht you are, but mala's latest attempts at reasoning look odd, and his reads are sorta going with the flow, so it makes me less sure of my townread there. as if he's scum going with the flow to another mislynch.
mollie's radio silence bugs me.
I actually think that if Jen flips town, I'll probably have m vote in these two.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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are you kidding me?In post 1159, pirate mollie wrote:I am here
this game is dragging
sho's I can't believe you are calling me out when you have done so little yourself
you may as welel replace out if you wish.
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after I'm done get Jen (or vig her if possible, that's better) and then mollie.
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well yesterday I foolishly claimed to have the wrench instead of possibly soaking a nightkill. so I kept the wrench since mafia won't target me anyway, and moved to the kitchen, and told you all that I used it and 'do not want to expose my location'. Then, I 'by mistake' exposed my CURRENT location when I updated the table, hoping that tonight I will be the target of the nightkill and SO i will succeed in soaking the nightkill to make up for my yesterday stupidity; but hey I needed to get to night for that, so it's of no use any longer.
in short - I tried to decieve the mafia, since the lie will not hurt town.
since tonight there was no nightkill, the mafia are forced to atttempt a kill tonight, meaning that when I use the wrench it will both A) save me/possibly soak the kill and B) if the kill is successful, it will make me conftown to you guys(since I used the real use of the item).
so meh, I'd rather not be lynched. if you do decide to go on me, mark Jen for tomorrowIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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^^^is my thought, thats ehy i asked what info u get ig i flip town.
Reason i.make short and few comments is.im.bqack in the army and were usually not allowed phones.
Jen can really be scum, but mollie as well. As i said before, just lynch both im any order to win. Currently.nobody would vote jen so mollie it is. I will fly with the wtench today and can prove it - someone target me and your action will miss, duhIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Well convince them lol.
As i said, i will use the wrench tonight. Someone target me, even.for vigging. Youll miss. A kill has to happen. That will prove me town.
What if we nolynch today? Thatll also be good if were in mylo.
Jen tell me, would you nolymch? If im.scum.that doesnt help me, and if.not i might be proven town.
Id also like to heat from mollie, she said nothing for weeks now and is jusr jumping on the bandwagon.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Serra, if you are operating in two scum alive now theory then true. But i doubt.
Mollie, please make a fucking effort. This game is this close to ending.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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I cannot see how a shos lynch is better than a nolynch when.i can 99% verify my towniness. Jens answer to the question proves to me shes scum btw; it ignored what i wrote snd gave me a general answer that, of course, provides no info and pushes a lynch.
Peng/mala, i urge you.to nolynch.
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I had no time at all when i posted these. On.my phone for tags you have to switch multiple times and it sucks ass and long to do so because of delay after each letter. You are, again, trying to discredit me for real life unrelated.to the game events.
I highly believe that one scum left pnly, and that it is one of jen or mollie. Since only one scum.lt doesnt matter who goes first. Since we are 6, it also doesnt matter if we nl today.
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K so why a nolynxh is better:
1. Theres a chance shos can prove himself town if theres a kill
2. If there isnt one we have come to.the same situation but with more free info
3. There are 6 ppl alive. Thats even. A nolynch followed by a kill will do us almost no harm, where a mislynch keeps the # even with less item info and.leaves us in mylo.
Lynching me does.not decrease the pool of suspects to a definite info size right.now (consijering malas reads). What benefit.is rhere to lynch? Its everyone.in the wagon, noone really to blame. What info is new?
I want everyone to tell me now: asse i was lynched, and say, mala was killed by poison. What do you do.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Btw mod deadline needs to be fixed. Also, visit the qt please
~Thanks, I was about to end the day.Last edited by guille2015 on Thu May 30, 2013 5:39 am, edited 1 time in total.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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I confirm that the mod gives no info about the lead pipe when it's used.
I'm torn between nolynching again/lynching one of {mollie, Jen}.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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see, my item will be used better if I held on to it until tomorrow, imo. I will not claim the item I have. and when used it can find scum if we're lucky.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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for me to get blocked they'll need to correctly guess my location AND use the lead pipe there. doubt it. and the numbers count still even and still possible mylo if 2 scum...In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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I dont think so. Im on the phone so can any of you update the table(s)? Itll help me in deciding how to use my item too. I want, if possible, a table/list of who was where and had what and used how, and a reminder on what we know that the items do.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Lol i didnt getwjat was wrong at first heje. Yea i meant i want next day to begin qyickly.
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In post 1, guille2015 wrote:Characters:
Each player is randomly assigned a character. The alignment of the player is also randomly assigned.
- Miss Scarlet(Red)
- (Yellow)Colonel Mustard
- (White)Mrs. White
- Mr. Green(Green)
- Mrs. Peacock(Blue)
- Professor Plum(Purple)6o
- Miss Peach(Orange)
- Monsieur Brunette(Brown)
- Madame Rose(Pink)
- (Gray)Sergeant Gray
Items:
- At the beginning of the game all items are randomly distributed throughout the mansion.
- As players enter rooms they will pick up the item that is in the room if they currently are not holding an item.
- If several players enter a room with an item at the same time, the item will go to just one player selected randomly.
- There will only be at most one (1) item per room.
- Each item has a unique use that can be used on any player in an adjacent room and current room unless otherwise specified.
- When using an item you can target a player or a room. If the targeted player is outside the range of the item, then the action will fail. If the targeted room has several players, the targeted player is selected randomly.
- Each night the player can choose to use,holdordropthe item.
- The player cannot hold more than one item at a time.
- The player cannot hold an item for more than two(2) days. On the second night in possession of the item, the player must use or drop the item.
- Once an item is dropped or used they will appear on a random room.
- The players use the items before dying.
- When the player dies the item is automatically dropped.
- Items that are not picked up will remain in their respective rooms over the course of the night.
- These are the following items:
- Candlestick
- Dagger
- Lead Pipe
- Revolver
- Rope
- Wrench
- Poison
- Horseshoe
- Candlestick
Rooms:
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- Every night a player must choose a room to move too.
- A player can only move to an adjacent room.
- A player cannot remain in a room. Failure to submit a movement, will randomly select the next room for the player.
- All actions are resolved prior to moving to another room.
- The Rooms and Adjacency:
♟Secret PassagesRoom Adjacent Rooms Kitchen Dining Room, Trophy Room, ♟Library Dinning Room Kitchen, Drawing Room Drawing Room Dining Room, Courtyard, ♟Conservatory Courtyard Drawing Room, Gazebo, Fountain, Library, ♟Carriage Room Gazebo Courtyard Fountain Courtyard Library Courtyard, Billiard Room, ♟Kitchen Billiard Room Library, Studio Studio Billiard Room, Conservatory Conservatory Studio, Trophy Room, ♟Drawing Room Trophy Room Conservatory, Carriage House, Kitchen Carriage house Trophy Room, ♟Courtyard Cloak Room This room is off limits.
Mafia:- Mafia are required to find an Item in order to perform a kill.
- Mafia can only make one kill per night.
- Mafia are forced to kill every other night. If they choose to not kill or cannot kill during a night, the next night in which they can kill, they are forced to make the kill, as long as they have an item.
- The kill will use the item as a weapon and can only be used in adjacent rooms and current room.
- Mafia can opt to use the item as intended, instead of making the kill
- Mafia may or may not have other rules and privileges not expressed here.
Voting:- Votes are used to Lynch players during the day. When a player gains a majority of the votes, half of the players plus one, then that player is lynched and removed from the game board.
- Vote in boldor use theVOTE:tags.
- Unvotes are not necessary but may help.
- Vote counts will be edited into the first post of the page. If you don't like this we can change it through majority vote.
- Place votes on new lines. Although I allow inline votes, I do not guarantee that I will see it.
Rules:- Do not talk about the game outside the thread, unless your roles specifically allows it.
- Prods will be issued to players if they have not posted within a 48-hour period. Players who have been prodded have 24 hours to respond in the game thread before a replacement is sought. Saturday and Sunday will be considered a 24-hour period.
- When you are pressured to reveal your role, do not copy my message. Use your own words. Do not quote anything I send to you.
- Ask me questions if anything is unclear.
- I am a giant robot and I can make mistakes (due to human programming). If you find such mistakes please point them out so that I may resolve it.
- Have fun. It is a game, and I expect courteous and mature behavior. Mafia is not a game to win, it is a game to enjoy.
- Do not edit the content of your posts. It is not fair if you post something that some people get to see and other don't.
- Do not use this formatting: This is me commenting.
- Actions not received will follow the following protocol: Items will be dropped, if possible the player will move to a random adjacent room.
- Actions may be submitted ahead of time and can be changed as many times as desired; at deadline, the last action that was submitted will be used. Actions may be submitted via PM or QuickTopic if available.
- I reserve the right to add or alter any rule in the game including the rules herein.
- Any situations not covered above will be handled on an individual basis.
Deadlines:- Days will be at least 21 days (3 weeks) long. It may be longer depending on my schedule and weekends.
- Nights will be at least 3 days long. It may be longer depending on my schedule and weekends.
- If a day deadline has been reached and I am not around, the day will continue until I stop it. Don't assume that this will happen though.
- Twilight is defined as the moment in which the hammer vote is cast until the game is stopped. During this time, you are allowed to continue talking, but any votes or unvotes cast during this time will not count towards the vote counts.
Win Conditions:- Town wins when all threats to town have been eliminated.
- Mafia wins when all town members are dead or nothing can prevent otherwise.
- In the event that there are equal number of town members and mafia members at day break, mafia will automatically win, regardless of what items are in possession. Reaching night time with equal number of town members and mafia members will only result in a mafia win if the items in possession have no influence in the actions.
Confirmation and Night 0:- Please confirm your role by PM.
- Please read the instructions carefully. I will answer any questions as long as it is public knowledge.
- You can request a QT to handle your movements and actions.
- During Night 0, you have to perform an action, if possible, and make a move.
- Confirmation will last 48 hours or until 8 of the players confirm.
- If you do not confirm after 48 hours, you will be prodded. After being prodded you will have 24 hours to respond or be replaced.
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I agree with peng.
Lol at "no lunch". Id rather eat.
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