Mini 1477: Bang! Mafia (Game Over)

[Baezu]

/confirm

[Baezu]

VOTE: grimgroove

cuz I like him! <3

[Baezu]

I also am not aware of what vice is. And since we're claiming, I'm VT.

Also, does sheriff have any special powers?

[Baezu]

I disagree.

Gullible scum mindset, "oh look, two townies just claim, I should too so I can be town."

I really don't like the way that DCL is jumping on this - scummy.

[Baezu]

So, I'm getting run-up for making an obvious joke...

I'll restate this. I had just called the premature sheriff claim bad. Why would I then turn around and make a serious claim. That would be some massive cognitive dissonance right there.

The claim was a joke. I was trying to be funny, its obvious that I failed, which is rather sad but calling me scum for that is stupid.

This is where you're missing the point - you're not getting ran up for a joke - you're getting ran up because of scummy comments that you've been making. Trying to throw our scent off by referring to your wagon as a reaction to a joke is even more scummy!

[Baezu]

#133 seems like an obligatory "okay here's some minimal content since you asked for it" post. I'd rather see reads and stuff.

I agree with this. We can lynch TNE tomorrow. Let's lynch DCL today.

[Baezu]

VOTE: DCL

[Baezu]

Sorry I've been away for a bit but back now for good. Would write more but I'm exhausted. Stay tuned for my reads tomorrow!

News flash: Saki = superscum!

FoS TNE

Happy birthday, JasonWazza!

VOTE: Saki

Mod: Scumday

[Baezu]

I'm always always going to read Baezu as scummy when I'm town I've just resigned to that fact.

You can be town in the interim while I wait for your reads

Lol!!! I told you people always scum read me as town. But I promise that it will become more and more apparent as this game goes on and in the end you'll see that my reads tend to be pretty accurate.

Thanks for waiting for my reads list, though. You're looking amazingly town!

[Baezu]

ok. Pitoli, amrun, saki, marquis, grim town

PV's last post was just IIoA. null leaning scum

dr doolittle leaning town

DrP - where have you been?

elvis, tne leanig scum

penguin null

Let me know if you want me to elaborate on any of these

[Baezu]

You don't have a read on me

Null for now...

[Baezu]

Ooh, this is exciting. Conftown Majiffy.

Duh.

He's the Sheriff!

[Baezu]

Yes I do:

Talk to me about my null reads.

What do you think about the lurkers?

I think grim is town

I think Elvis is more likely scum than amrun. I'm not sure between DCL and TNE.

[Baezu]

you know what's really dumb?? that saki is actually town

that's silly but true

How do you know this?

OOh! I'll play sheep the shuriff

VOTE: AlienPenguin

[Baezu]

We'll see if I'm alive tomorrow. If PA is scum I fully expect not to live. In which case, you have my groupings of lynch pools.

If P_A flips scum, where should we vote tomorrow?

[Baezu]

cant see baezu town
UNVOTE: VOTE: baezu

Care to elaborate?

[Baezu]

Yes I do:

Talk to me about my null reads.

What do you think about the lurkers?

I think grim is town

because.....

I don't see any reason to yet, but I felt the questions I asked would be more interesting than a random vote, so I also decided not to bother with that ("that" being the random vote)

Didn't want to randomly vote someone.

Given this is a good wrap-up post, I'll just comment on that in more detail:

So far, I feel pretty good about Pitoli and Amrun being town.

I disliked Grimgroove's soft attack on Pitoli on page 2 because 1)Pitoli seems pretty town; and 2)There was no vote with the questioning/attack. Absence of vote makes me suspicious of a tentative scum attack, like scum trying to see if people will agree with him, see if this is a viable

wagon

way out of RVS

before committing vote.

Fixed that for you.
Did she seem town even before my soft attack?
I never liked how people care about votes so much in this regard. It's not as if people ignore anything else afterwards. The mere absense of a vote when someone is questioning someone is not indicative in any way.

These guys going into a serious discussion page 2

VOTE: DCL Hi bro

^^thenewearth totally disregards everything happening and plops a random vote even though we actually have stuff to comment on.

Agreed. But could also come from lazy town.

Then Marquis votes confirmed town in post 53. I really dislike it. I don't like to excuse anti-town behavior as "so anti-town that scum wouldn't be that stupid" (as Amrun dismissed it in 63). I think it's not a normal mindset for town to vote confirmed town, and it's much

more likely that scum want the sheriff dead so they vote him.

That's a huge stretch. There's no way scum could possible entertain the idea of getting a confirmed town lynched.

I think that Marquis explanation that it was "lol reactions" is pure bullshit because nobody should be voting confirmed town. If he's "fishing for scum," he is just as likely to catch town as scum, so basically it is not possible for him to accomplish what he says he is trying to accomplish. So the explanation is BS. Or maybe just a really bonehead move that he actually thought would work?

I agree that marquis' strategy wasn't the best. It's basically all wifom, my gut settles on marquis town for the moment. I'm liking how he responds and gives clarifications.

What's with the claiming and shit? :/

And then we get another contentless vote from thenewearth. Classic scum trying to fly under the radar. We need to lynch this.

VOTE: thenewearth

Fairly strong language over someone actively lurking.

I prefer a vote on DCL, given this is the case against thenewearth. DCL's lolclaim is scummier than thenewearth's current lurkishness.

VOTE: DCL

More later, running out of time.

Pretty detailed post regarding game.

In general, his posts aren't sending up any red flags. He's been consistent and involved (until recently) and his questioning seems town.

[Baezu]

Okay so, I previously read Saki as town and I’m glad people are following Majiffy on this because the longer he’s here the more town he seems to me. In the Newbie game we played together, his play was mercurial and off-putting in ways that remind me of his current behavior. The loose cannon approach is consistent to me, even if Saki isn’t the most coherent in getting his point across.

DrDoolittle is also town, basically from his interaction with Saki (literally saying he doesn’t give a shit), and that type of small-scale recklessness looks town to me. And he’s been on enough wagons that it looks like he is genuinely pressing where it suits him in the moment.

Penguin looked town for immediate reactions in 344-363, but the unvote in 575 seems a bit too convenient considering that his jump on Saki is a big reason for the wagon on him.

DCL’s someone I’ve gotten more worried about. I liked his early reaction to votes on him but since then kinda went downhill. Overall I can’t really tell what his reads are and I feel like his pushes so far have been half-hearted.

Baezu – scum leaning, although I’ve misread her town game before and her nothing about her current play sticks out to me. I really didn’t like 401 though, I never like anything close to flattery and it seems awkward.

Off to look at an ISO or two, but UNVOTE: while that’s going on.

Pi - good to see you're town again! You've been in a town game with me. You know the drill - I look scummy as fuck cuz I'm the worst mafia player ever and then I always end up being town. Well, guess what, the fact you think I'm scummy = I'm definitely town. Look at my scum games if it's not obvious to anyone. I can make a coherent case as scum, for some reason. That doesn't happen when I'm town.

Okay - enough about meta

Vote P_A!

[Baezu]

Which is why I'm town, see?!

[Baezu]

I believe Titus is at L-1. So let me present a case:

I don't like penguin or Baezu but a VC would be very helpful. Saki's freaking wierd.... Again.

Doesn't like penguin or baezu but:

titus di you like me you should not like me so I have an offended reason to vote you kk

I don't like the stretch it is to comprehend your posts. However, my liking someone isn't solely related to OMGUS. This sounds like you're wanting me to give you a reason to vote me. Not happening.

You were this obvious as scum in that newbie game you replaced into awhile back.

That post is pretty much, give me a reason to vote you so I can derail the Saki train.

VOTE: Saki

Vote Saki 6 posts later. From here, he is entirely fixated on Saki without giving any reads on anyone else:

titus di you like me you should not like me so I have an offended reason to vote you kk

I don't like the stretch it is to comprehend your posts. However, my liking someone isn't solely related to OMGUS. This sounds like you're wanting me to give you a reason to vote me. Not happening.

You were this obvious as scum in that newbie game you replaced into awhile back.

That post is pretty much, give me a reason to vote you so I can derail the Saki train.

VOTE: Saki

always the blatant omgus

You've given plenty of reasons to suspect you as scummy. This isn't just OMGUS.

If it isn't just OMGUS, what else is it?

I am not on crack.

@Majiffy - Marquis (if I understood him correctly) said give me a reason to vote you. If Marquis is indeed being obvscum, then his plan was to derail Saki's train. I'd know what Marquis was doing

by a Saki flip most likely

.

If Marquis is indeed being obvscum, then his plan was to derail Saki's train. I'd know what Marquis was doing by a Saki flip most likely.

Or to sideline his vote and avoid an obvious mislynch wagon.

Lets not go lynching townies to give us reason to lynch more townies. Marquis and Saki are both town.

Sheep the Shurrif. Love the Shurrif.

Out of all that garbage Saki did, how do you get town from that?

VOTE: unvote

I like PA's response to my comments on Marquis possibly whiteknighting. I just really didn't like Marquis's reaction to that train. I am not sold on PA being scum yet. I can't see why PA would make statements that might draw me off Saki, a major wagon.

Actually this post looks like he's unvoting because he doesn't want to bus his scum buddy, Saki.

VOTE: unvote

I like PA's response to my comments on Marquis possibly whiteknighting. I just really didn't like Marquis's reaction to that train. I am not sold on PA being scum yet. I can't see why PA would make statements that might draw me off Saki, a major wagon.

I liked it too, almost as much as I disliked you unvoting not to put your vote on marquis.

VOTE: Titus

Sorry, Majiffy. Sheep the Shurrif just isn't in my wheelhouse.

I'm considering everything before I put my vote back, including that a Marquis lynch probably isn't going to go today.

How do you know a marquis lynch won't go through unless you try. It is scummy that you simply unvote without moving your vote to a different scumpect.

A note I have observed. People abandoned Saki's train after the IC said Saki was town. Yet, people did NOT sheep the IC on his scum choice. That raises my suspicions that there is scum avoiding voting Saki (because he's town) but don't want to vote up their scum partner. I liked Penguin's thoughts on Marquis though. I need to resolve this dissonance, so my vote seems the best way to do that.

VOTE: Penguin_Alien

Wait, all of a sudden Saki is town?!

We need to lynch. PA seems to be decent enough. It would resolve my dissonance on his behavior. If he flips scum, we can look. If he flips town, nice suspects emerge.

And where did this come from?

Titus, please respond to the case against you and claim because I intend to hammer.

[Baezu]

^ most conveniently timed "case" I have ever friggin seen.

Can I never do anything right in your eyes?

[Baezu]

At least I'm laying it out there. Look tbh I don't really think titus is scum never have. The reason I presented the case was an exercise for me to see if I could convince myself of his scumminess. I didn't succeed. I still don't see why everyone is on this wagon

[Baezu]

The only reason I stated intent to hammer is bc deadline is soon and I don't want a NL

[Baezu]

Sorry Saki but townSaki reads what I say. Kinda evident you are not townSaki.

This is a good enough case for me.

If you flip town, I will try to push a Saki lynch tomorrow.

[Baezu]

I'll welcome that vote, Baezu <3

ilu2, Saki <3

[Baezu]

Currently phone posting. I have some things to say.

1. How the funk did you lynch. Titus even having played with TNE as they. Were both town -_-

2. The shurrif didnt die? Couldk that be cause hisg reads are wrong?

Ill post more soon (:

VOTE: bubbajack

This post was so scummy it made my eyeballs bleed.

I haven't read page 31 as I am on vacation and have a serious family situation happening right now, but I wanted to drop by and give you guys a heads up and say that I'm here.

My eyeballs are bleeding so bad, I can't read any more of the thread.

VOTE: BubbaJack

[Baezu]

Baezu, you don't like the idea of a Saki lynch anymore?

I would be down for a Saki lynch but I'm almost 100% positive that bubba is scum. I've seen grim as town and he was not town this game.

[Baezu]

I didn't shoot you pi and I didn't have any clubs

[Baezu]

Baezu, you don't like the idea of a Saki lynch anymore?

I would be down for a Saki lynch but I'm almost 100% positive that bubba is scum. I've seen grim as town and he was not town this game.

Why weren't you pushing a Grim lynch yesterday then?

You were on PA, then switched to Titus.

Sorry about that Pi, thought I responded via phone last night - prob forgot to hit submit.

Grim has been V/la for a bit and he just came back into a few games I was in and I was reminded of how he is when he's town. It didn't dawn on me until last night so I wasn't pushing on a lynch for him before. But at this point, I am pretty convinced. Especially since Bubba's posts look like they are very well tailored. It's very scum to look like you have all your shit together. Town usually rambles and changes their opinions while scum is accurate and precise and that's what I'm getting from Bubba. It's the reason I get accused of being scum when I'm town - cuz I'm addle-brained when I'm town - but it's not scummy, it's just town trying to figure out what's going on. Scum already know what's going on so their play is more direct.

I reiterate - Bubba is scum. Jump on the wagon for towncred!!!

[Baezu]

In the games where grim has been town he has shown cases for people being scum. He has pushed wagons and convinced town to vote with him. He didn't even try to do that in this game. That slot just feels off to me. And I feel like bubba is trying to compensate for a scummy slot. He's doing a very good job of it but I'm still not convinced.

[Baezu]

^ No, the question is why did your view on Grim change overnight despite Grim not posting?

Also my investigations are totally legit. I did have a clubs card

He didn't post in this game, he posted in a different game (ongoing so I can't talk about it) and I realized that he was totally different between the two games.

[Baezu]

So the fact that I may be incorrect makes me scum? Your vote supported by a weak case on me makes you scum. We will take care of you tomorrow, though

[Baezu]

Can we just keep the ongoing out of this.

1. Has he even flipped?
2. My play differs game from game, maybe his does too.
3. It's useless in an argument because others can't go see what you're talking about and we are left in the dark.

1. Yes. He flipped town in that game. That's what I'm saying.
2. I've played with him in several games and he seems pretty consistent
3. Sorry, I'll let you know if the game I have in mind is over before this one. It should happen any day now.

for now I'll look for other people who I think are also scum and are acting scummy.

UNVOTE: Bubba

[Baezu]

2. I've played with him in several games and he seems pretty consistent

anways, ill just refer to this.
If you have played with grim already, then your perception on him should be immediate rather than overnight

I've never been in a scum game with him. So I assumed he was town. Haven't things dawned on you sometimes? That's what happened to me.

[Baezu]

I got a spade bang card used it to shoot pa I also got a diamond beer card

[Baezu]

@Everyone: Since Saki claimed he wasn't notified of having been shot, what do you think the odds are of him being some sort of bulletproofed scum role?

I'm not sure if the mod would tell you you were shot at. Did the mod tell you that you were shot at, Pi?

bubba shot pit.
DCL shot Saki.
Beazu shot Pa.
Dr. Doolittle got 3 reports that PV, pit, and md are inno.
PA has inno on Dr Dolittle.

Majiffy, do you think that Dr Doolittle and PA are both town? And would you agree that if one flips scum they both do?

Not to interject but it does seem to me that Dr Doolittle's claim and PA's claim are extremely overpowered for town if they are both true. I guess if it was some sick combo then maybe but I think it's highly doubtful. Does anyone know of bang cards that allow for this kind of thing?

It's not necessary that if one is scum then both are scum. If PA is scum, she could still inno Dr to get towncred. Wasn't someone thinking that PA was town on d1? Could that argument be explained again, please? Im'a go try to find it now...

[Baezu]

I think I wanna lynch Amrun or Saki today...

[Baezu]

oh fuck, i totally forgot pitoli was cleared.

fuck.

but pitoli has been soooooo scummy today

I don't know if all the clears are valid, but I had already decided today not to pursue them for now.

Unvote; Vote: bubba

Amrun, I love you but I have to agree this post is scummy as shit...

VOTE: Amrun

[Baezu]

Also, how can you not know how many cards you have left?! If you received 2 and used 1 wouldn't you have 1 left or is there something that I'm not understanding?

[Baezu]

mnemonicdevice's rolefishing is awful. If Dr Dolittle's claimed investigations aren't all accurate, I think this is the false innocent.

But then we have Saki trying to find out everyone's unused cards...seriously, Saki, what's the town motivation in finding out who has cards that protect them, or make them threats, etc.?

And yes, I got shot last night. Again, I don't know that we want scum to know who's most vulnerable here. Information is good for us, but not when it's more useful to scum.

I agree with MD's rolefishing being scummy and also with Saki and now bubba's card fishing to be scummy.

So many scum, so little time...

[Baezu]

VOTE: saki

for distracting from actual scumhunting by putting all focus on the cards which are just an accessory to this game

[Baezu]

If we're going to do this, can we maybe save it for tomorrow? We only have four days left till deadline and I feel like the card discussion is going to take away from lynch discussion. We've been putting around a little I think.

[Baezu]

lynch pool {bubba, saki, TNE}

[Baezu]

Tne...?

Sorry. Confused games...

[Baezu]

Can we just keep the ongoing out of this.

1. Has he even flipped?
2. My play differs game from game, maybe his does too.
3. It's useless in an argument because others can't go see what you're talking about and we are left in the dark.

1. Yes. He flipped town in that game. That's what I'm saying.
2. I've played with him in several games and he seems pretty consistent
3. Sorry, I'll let you know if the game I have in mind is over before this one. It should happen any day now.

for now I'll look for other people who I think are also scum and are acting scummy.

UNVOTE: Bubba

Nothing you're saying here indicates that you've changed your mind. Yet you bail on your scum read? Looks to me like you've decided you don't want to be on the wagon irrespective of your suspicions. Only reason I can see for that is scum thinking their planned mislynch isn't going to work.

VOTE: Baezu

Do you not agree that there are more scum in the game than bubba? If we can find all of them today then we win early. I received a warning for this comment so I figured I needed to find a different reason to vote for bubba and have not found one as of yet.

[Baezu]

OK, what do you think of the reasons others are voting bubbajack8 then?

The reason I unvoted him is the same reason I'm not revoting him. I think people's reasons are honestly pretty weak. My reason was meta, but even that imo is not as strong of a reason as actual play this game and although his play hasn't been super strong, it hasn't been super scummy either.

[Baezu]

I'm waiting for a VC.

[Baezu]

v/la until Wed

[Baezu]

Man this game is in twilight for quite a while. ..

[Baezu]

Willing to believe the dr also willing to mass claim.

It is interesting though. How did you not die doolittle? Thru a card play?

I am not the last scum however.

[Baezu]

Hi Baezu. I have a miss. I think it saved me from dying. Don't worry. I'll investigate you tonight. Results will be in tomorrow.

Regards,
Dolittle.

Thank you. I look forward to being conftown.

VOTE: Amrun

[Baezu]

I may have had a kneejerk 'ME TOWN U SCUM VOTE NOW' reaction... I'm still thinking it over.

Or you faked it?

^this

[Baezu]

Errr... I kind of always thought he was telling the truth. Whether the cards are giving him 100% accurate results, I'm not so sure. Does this seriously look like a fakeclaim play to you?

Agreed

[Baezu]

Let's do this

amrun is scum

VOTE: amrun

[Baezu]

I also don't understand the congregation of people at the sheriff's house.

Anyone care to explain?

[Baezu]

It makes sense. I am suspicious of Jacob's confusing interaction and I haven't liked anything marquis has said this game.

[Baezu]

Isn't that what everyone was doing last night?

I'm confused...

[Baezu]

Mine was clubs

[Baezu]

^^no kidding... :/