Mini 1473 - Super Smash Bros. Mafia (Game Over!)

[FakeGod]

Greetings, everyone.

We should not mass claim.

Vote: Seanald

[FakeGod]

Darthe's vote is fencesitting/reaction testing. He could see the reaction from the town, then post later telling people it was "RVS" or "Real" depending on whichever one is more advantageous.

[FakeGod]

gJ man, you caught me. When I'm scum, I start ignoring people.

[FakeGod]

@Keyblade:

he mentioned Mario and DK, i thought he was going for more.

He probably meant DayKill as in Fireball DayKill. Mixing up vocab is null tell, so meh.

@Andy:

What up man

@Stubbs:

VOTE: FakeGod

you shouldn't answer other people's questions.

Therefore, I'm scum.

Solid logic.

...

Or you're scum looking for an easy wagon.

Unvote, Vote: Stubbs

Explain yourself.

@Kthx:

Do you think kwb's request was that or role fishing? As in was that his purpose?

His first post is asking for mass claim, second was rolefishing. I thought it was obvious.

Here's something less obvious:

I think your scum trying to gain an early leadership position in town to coast later on, feels like your tryin to hard bro.

I see that you quoted but didn't reply to this statement.

Based on the number of posts you're making and your attempt to interact with everyone/everything, I'd say Sean has a point.

Well?

[FakeGod]

Valius and FakeGod

I'm town

are by no means off the hook.

Humor me, Mr Sub.

Where's your logic behind your vote in 43?

[FakeGod]

And in your experience, that is what scums do, yes?

[FakeGod]

Hmmm, I wasn't aware that Mr. Sub had a post restriction.

Mr. Sub, do you have a post-restriction?

[FakeGod]

@FG: I didn't comment on it because it's stupid? 'You're acting too town to be town'? Seriously? I'm not going to get up in arms about it if that's what you were hoping for. Also, I'm failing to see how asking players questions to get reads on them from their responses equates to taking a leadership role.

Go ahead and show me or explain how trying to get reads on players is taking leadership and/or scummy.

First of all, I thought your question was valueless, but yet you expected me to answer. I answered yours, so you don't get to complain.

If you don't understand how your current play is taking leadership and/or scummy, that's not my problem. But

Sean saw it as such

, grew alarmed, and posted about it.

(I can explain why your current play could be seen as taking leadership and/or scummy if you still want; just ask again)

Your reply, post 63, was not at all comforting from his perspective, because you essentially sidestepped the point altogether. (

go read 63; there's no argument that you dodged the point

)

If you thought his point is stupid or invalid, you could've simply said so, or explained you didn't think it needed a reply, etc.

Instead, you went for the ignore approach.

Now, isn't it why your vote was on me on the first place? For not addressing your question immediately?

Your case on me hold just as much water as Sean's case on you, because it's basically the

same

argument.

I personally think it's a dumb argument, hence my vote isn't on you. Someone not addressing things does not make them scum or town. That's silly.

If you disagree, I request an explanation behind your vote in your next post.

[FakeGod]

Sidenote: kthx, you really don't think your current play is trying for a leadership position in town?

I find it hard to believe...

[FakeGod]

Been busy. Still am.

@mod: V/LA for 36 hours

[FakeGod]

Found a bit of time to post. I'll try to answer the posts directed at me with next few posts.

[FakeGod]

NOTE: DCL is a liar.

fakegod are voting seanald along with mister subliminal.....

Nope. My vote's on Stubbs atm.

Seriously, if you're going to make stuff up, you should at least ISO me once before doing so.

[FakeGod]

Very town is a bit strong, but town. I say that simply because the word very is too much too fast.

Also, strong town read on Kthxbye.

Explain...

Thought about that when I posted it. Was partially for the lolz since I wrote it, and also because I see very as stronger than "strong". IMO its the difference between saying a game is a 7 and saying its a 9.

Mr S, V, KBW, and FG: what are your opinions on the above post?

Darthe is trying to compliment you since he thinks people have you down as strong town read.

Also,

What do you think about FG and popp's reasons for voting me?

My vote's on Stubbs, not you.

[FakeGod]

And in your experience, that is what scums do, yes?

Affirmative. Are you trying to

sheep me

claim that this is a pro-town course of action?

Could you link me some finished games where you observed this?

Personally, I haven't observed scum or town particularly doing so.

[FakeGod]

@Andy:

You forgot to put me at top of your town reads in your 113.

@DCL:

Hahahaha. That votecount is wrong. If you had ISO'd me once, you would have realized it immediately.

@kthx:

First off, I hate D1's and I probably always will. This is part of the reason I'm trying this new style of play out.

As far as disagreeing on how many scum are voting me, I'll go into my thought process a little bit. All possibilities are possible, but some are more likely than others. I can say I can agree to a high degree there is at least 1 scum in the 3 currently voting me (what better place to start to look for scum than in a group of people voting you for bad reasons after all). There is also a decent possibility of there being 2 scum on me at this time, but with the reasons posted that their votes are on me, I think this is a much less likely possibility (read 95% that at least 1 is scum and more like 50ish%? that 2 are scum <--more to show gap of degrees of possibility than actual percentages). After that, I think the next likely scenario percentage wise would be all 3 to be town. It's not like it hasn't happened before. There are some thoughts as to why someone would want to stay on me for less than stellar reasons as town, but I'm not going to ruin anything by stating them at this time.

For the last time, my vote's not on you. I compared the votes on me to votes on you because they had the same gibberish logic: we both ignored something we thought was unimportant.

[FakeGod]

@Mod: Votecount is off. I'm voting stubbs.

I think that's it. Going to bed.

[FakeGod]

Welcome to the game, d3x.

If you have any strong reads so far, I would appreciate knowing them.

[FakeGod]

FG

: How does myself and DCL saying you were voting me and lumping you into a pool of suspects because of it affect your reads? Also, what are your thoughts on KBW? Is your reason for voting Stubbs still the scummiest thing you've seen so far and is his lynch our best chance at lynching scum? If so, why aren't you trying to make us all see the light?

I don't get your first question. I'm null on KBW. Yes, Stubbs = Scum, but I'm waiting for him to do things, since his actions so far aren't good enough to convince ya'll.

[FakeGod]

ISO'd KBW & Darthe.

KBW looks like a resigned townie IMO.

He set himself up as an easy lynch target over and over in the thread. It'd be really easy for scum to build a case on her, and walk away unscathed tomorrow.

That's why I think a closer look on his wagon is warranted.

Darthe lynch looks much better.

His posts indicate that he's trying to keep his head down while looking to push KBW wagon indirectly. (i.e. 198)

Lynch on Stubbs will have to wait, but there's no good reason for me to keep my vote on someone who's V/LA.

UNVOTE

VOTE: Darthe

[FakeGod]

@kbw:

You're attempting to outguess the mod and his setup, instead of playing the game.

Plus, I haven't seen a single theme game where it could be broken by a mass claim/mass nameclaim.

Feel free to correct me with links to theme games where d1 mass claim/name claim was helpful.

Otherwise, please don't defend your suggestion.

[FakeGod]

Thoughts:

I'm null on DCL.

d3x, that's quite an elaborate plan. I'm sorry to have sprung your trap as town, but I'll give you a slow clap if DCL flips scum.

Stubbs is scum. Seriously. He's jumped on the first wagon he saw, and then lurked his way through d1.

Is he scum gf or something? Why does everyone just write him off as town?

[FakeGod]

Null, as in I'm not convinced that DCL is scum or town.

I play conservatively, and I have a recently finished game to prove it: Example

I just think there are better lynches, like Stubbs.

Seriously, everyone, and I mean

EVERYONE

, is just giving him a free pass.

Did I miss a memo or something?

[FakeGod]

Keybladewielder spends the majority of the Day voting FakeGod, switches near the end to Valius.
FakeGod spends half of the Day voting Stubbs, the other half voting Darthe.
Stubbs spends most of the day voting FakeGod, votes Valius for awhile (also with KBW), then back on FakeGod.
Andrius RVS votes mutley, then spends most of it on Seanald, then on Valius.

The big one for me is the high concurrency between Stubbs' votes and KBW's votes. At no point are they not together on a wagon for more than one vote count (so far, only not on the same in 1.1, 1.10, and 1.14), and I feel comfortable in predicting that KBW would move his vote to FakeGod to follow Stubbs if he hadn't been V/LA.

God damn it. Why didn't I see this.

Stubbs, give me your read on kbw now.

[FakeGod]

I read(skimmed actually) through the posts. KBW looks like desparate town.

Never mind. Found it.

Stubbs defended kbw while deflecting to Valius in 274.

I ISO'd him like 35 times and missed this HOW

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Keybladewielder

pedit: no worries I see you and your scumbuddy now

[FakeGod]

I'm Jigglypuff, the friendly singer. My ability allows me to sing, and thus put to sleep a player during the night.

Also DCL, the word "Friendly" tells you my alignment. I'm not scum.

Looks like KBW made a scumslip while claiming.

I'm town, and I don't have the word "Friendly" in my role PM.

[FakeGod]

Jigglypuff is known as a friendly Pokémon; the role name matches the character.

Mario is probably the Famous Mascot; Link's is probably the silent hero, and Kirby is probably the Happy Eater, or something similar.

Aha! I see why you wanted a mass claim at the beginning.

Scum weren't given fakeclaims in this setup.

[FakeGod]

I don't buy it.

I refuse to believe that kbw happened to make a "bad play" and ask for a mass claim right off the bat. He's not a new player. This is not his first game.

More likely, because he was handed the mafia roleblocker role, and because mafia were apparently not given fakeclaims, he decided to take a calculated a risk by asking for a mass claim early.

If it succeeds and there is a mass claim, then the mafia learns more about town role PMs and have an easier time fakeclaiming, in addition gaining clues to knowing who to roleblock.
(it doesn't seem far-fetched to me to think that character name will be somewhat related to their powers)

If it fails and kbw is attacked for it, then kbw will claim his roleblocker role, which is provable given chance, to get out of the sticky situation.

@kthx:

@kbw: You're attempting to outguess the mod and his setup, instead of playing the game.

Why did you call KBW out for this and ignore when DCL does it in p463?

DCL doesn't do it in p463. It looks like both of his points are easily deduced from given information. (first point is obvious from game flavor, second point makes sense since RBer can prove himself given chance)

[FakeGod]

1. No but I am a shitty player for the most part.
2. Why would I take a risk like that if I was mafia? That would be stupid.
3. What would I gain from doing so as mafia.

Answers to your questions are evident in my post 484, but I will answer them again.

1. Being a bad player and an inexperienced one is different. Because you are an experienced player, you know the importance and weight of asking for a mass claim is in a game of mafia.

2. You must have decided that rewards outweigh the risk in asking for a mass claim. Don't ask me to read your mind; I'm not a mind reader.

3. If it succeeds and there is a mass claim, then the mafia learns more about the town role PMs and have an easier time fakeclaiming. In addition, you gain clues to target your night roleblock.




On the other hand,

town_KBW

would not have any reasons whatsoever to ask for an early mass claim/character claim.

1. It's a risky move that can put him under attack. He would risk town losing a PR early in the game.

2. Mass claim/character claim gives away town role PM info to scum. It can also give away identities of town PR to scum.

But most importantly:

3. Mass claim

WILL NOT

improve his ability to hit scum night actions.

[FakeGod]

@DCL:

Stubbs is doing all he possibly can to save his scumbuddy and lead a mislynch today.

Why are you surprised? Stubbs is

scum

.

[FakeGod]

Damn, I was so sure Stubbs was scum.

Vote: Darthe

L-1, Darthe, if you could claim please.

[FakeGod]

Actually, I rather not end this day quickly.

I heard that you're supposed to pressure suspicious people for information in this game.

Unvote or push to lynch will obviously depend on what he claims, yes?

[FakeGod]

unvote

that was way too quick

eh, why would you unvote?

With this player roster, it's not like anyone would be stupid enough to quicklynch 12 hrs in.

[FakeGod]

Hey FG, go read my last ScumGame, specifically the last 3 Days {it's only 7 pages long}.

Long story short, my partner and I pushed 2 QuickLynches to get to LyLo and got the Win. It's a very viable strat considering

if

Darthe is Town, we'd MysLynch, probably lose someone Tonight, cut off all D2 discussion, and drop to mind boggling levels of stupid for the rest of the game. The ScumTeam would hardly have to do anything to secure the Win.

Why do you think it's a good idea to run someone up to L-1 on page 2 of D2? Assume he Claims a PR. What then? Lynch or back down? I want an answer.

That game was a pretty good example of what you're trying to prove.

I will concede the point: putting Darthe at L-1 this early was a mistake.

I apologize. I was hasty and didn't think through the consequences before voting.

pedit

: heh, I didn't come into d2 empty handed. I have a card to play as well.

[FakeGod]

I claim Donkey Kong, the 1-shot vig, and I shot Stubbs last night.

I read Stubbs as lurker-scum.

Having read through his other games, I decided his level of activity here was significantly lower than usual.

Unvote

[FakeGod]

Unvote

Do you believe Darthe's claim?

First and foremost, if Darthe is telling the truth, then his role is easily confirmable via Tracker.

Second, this would mean that KBW lied as town. I'll have to go back and read kbw games for examples of he lied a role claim as town.

[FakeGod]

@DCL: 1-shot Vig is an unusual PR. It has an easy way to confirm itself, but it costs someone their life.

Therefore, I had planned to shoot n1 and claim d2 anyways.

I decided that waiting any longer to prove my existence is dangerous in a Mini, and decided on my plan pregame.

[FakeGod]

kthx, I can prove myself.

If I were a SK, I would have to shoot every night.

By simply doing nothing tonight, I can prove that I am not a SK.

[FakeGod]

By simply doing nothing tonight, I can prove that I am not a SK.

Do you have the choice to Act or nto Act Tonight?

No. I'm 1-shot and I already vigged Stubbs.

[FakeGod]

Looks like we're in LyLo, assuming standard three scum setup.

Mass claim time.

I already claimed, but I'll write it again.

I claim

Dunkey Kong, 1-shot vig

.

[FakeGod]

Popcorn Zdenek.

[FakeGod]

Massclaiming at LyLo is protown, since:

Massclaiming gives setup information to the town at the cost of outing town PRs.

At LyLo, outing town PRs is no longer an issue, since lynching right is the only thing that matters at that point.

[FakeGod]

Seanald, claim your role and popcorn the next player please.

[FakeGod]

I disagree. DCL claimed a town PR and did not die last night.

I see no reason to blindly trust him at this point, especially since scum_DCL could simply frame a townie for instant win.

MassClaiming is the correct strategy.

[FakeGod]

I detect sarcasm. d3x, are you against a mass claim?

Unless you have some way of knowing that town is not in

LyLo

right now, your move is incredibly

anti-town

, since mass claim is one of the strongest moves town could employ at

LyLo

.

[FakeGod]

I don't understand. Why are you waiting on DCL's post?

DCL claiming a tracked kill means nothing, as I already mentioned.

[FakeGod]

By what extension?

I'm Un CC'd Vig with a confirmed kill.

Scum_DCL lying about a tracked kill can instantly win a LyLo.

How are these two scenarios even remotely similar?

[FakeGod]

I'm frustrated.

Day one

, town player apparently lied about his role for no good reason.

Day two

, when the lie's revealed by the town backup, he's quicklynched in case he's lied about lying.

Now,

Day three

, with town almost certainly in LyLo, people are refusing to mass claim.

I shouldn't have to pull teeth to get town to do the obviously protown move.

I'm going to go cool off before I start hurling profanities at internet strangers.

[FakeGod]

Seanald, please claim your role and popcorn the next person.

[FakeGod]

@kthx: Good find, but please still claim your role.

[FakeGod]

WTF UNVOTE NOW IF YOU ARE TOWN

[FakeGod]

QUICKLYNCH MUCH?

STOP THE MAFIA

[FakeGod]

KTHX HOLY ****

UNVOTE NOW!!!!!!!!!

[FakeGod]

DAMN IT WHERE'S THE DAYVIG WHEN WE NEED ONE

[FakeGod]

MOD GIMME MY GUN BACK I NEED IT TO SHOOT SCUM DAMN IT

[FakeGod]

UP, UP, DOWN, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT, B, A, START

INFINITE DAYVIG MODE ACTIVATE

[FakeGod]

d3x, first thing you said when the game opened today was "it might be LyLo guys, be careful with votes."

Then I see you and Seanald back to back vote someone into a L-1 on the next page.

You guys are obviously scum, and this game's probably over when your third member comes online, unless Kthx unvotes before that.

[FakeGod]

I'm guessing Magua's your last scum member.

[FakeGod]

Ah damn

I missed a very important line.

Call off code red.

[FakeGod]

Scum team is Z, Magua and Seanald.

Good game.

[FakeGod]

Sorry about me freaking out.

I missed kthx clearing d3x in his last post.

Should I hammer?

[FakeGod]

It's embarrassing.

Vote: Zdenek

[FakeGod]

damn it, Mafia Governors?

I don't understand why town PRs lied. I believe that had a big impact in this game.

@Stubbs: Sorry about shooting you, but I think I made the correct decision to shoot n1 to confirm myself d2.

[FakeGod]

Shouldn't trust your neighbors too much, d3x...

PoPP just got unlucky. As a Dayvig, not shooting d1 was the correct choice.

@mod: The 1-shot vig virtually has to shoot n1; waiting any longer will hurt the town significantly.

The setup was also very favorable to mafia, since two mislynches were all it took. Heck, if mafia claims correctly, you can draw the lynch to Samus for an extra night. They can win with one mislynch.

Ultimately, town lost with the Darthe lynch. I don't know why he got quicklynched so fast, but it sounds like his role claim was shaky. (for obvious reasons, too. There's nothing much really Darthe could have done when he was handed a useless role that kbw lied about)

[FakeGod]

I take it back. Darthe lied.