Mini 1479: Perpetual MyLo II - GAME OVER!

[Wisdom]

I can take your word if you think mollie is scum

Despite calling them town earlier. Changing the only read he ever gave already.

And other than calling Mara obvtown, he continues not giving any solid reads.
Which he didn't even explain either.

[Wisdom]

WHY ARE WE NOT LYNCHING THIS

Why are you not voting him?

[Wisdom]

GIF fucking snap out of it. It's not just the sheeping. It's he's doing absolutely nothing, and he even admits he's not going to. Read his fucking ISO, I even posted it all there.

[Wisdom]

Exactly. I know that. Except you're doing it, and that's why you aren't town. And don't fake-CAPSRAGE on me, it will never work.

[Wisdom]

You are. Your reason was "she left the thread instead of posting more".

You are solely focusing on mollie instead of playing the game as you normally do. You don't push anyone else at all, even your push on TIP looked fake as hell. You posted some reads yet you're doing nothing with them. All this game is to you is "molliescum molliescum molliescum mollie is not doing anything mollie isnt here mollie ignores the game mollie left the thread oh andy posted? theyre still scum, ill ignore his post". This is definitely not town-you.

And wow, you're arguing semantics. I'll make it that fucking pretty clear again: SHE HAS NOT POSTED ENOUGH FOR YOU TO PEG HER, NO MATTER WHAT THE FUCK YOU SAY. You're only insisting on that because you're scum.

[Wisdom]

because nacho reads mollie better than i do?


what a scummer this guy


unless nacho is scum then i cannot believe his mollie read

So you need to see Nacho flip in order to form your own reads?
Why can't you decide on your own if Nacho is scum or not and form your own fucking reads?

unless you actually think he's town, you've seen me slapfight once please dont make it take 3 days again

Wow, just wow. Making room to go "oh well I usually wrongly suspect town anyway" when it is revealed that he's wrong.


Also explain why Mara is obvtown to you.

[Wisdom]

My questions weren't yes/no questions.

[Wisdom]

And wow, you're arguing semantics. I'll make it that fucking pretty clear again: SHE HAS NOT POSTED ENOUGH FOR YOU TO PEG HER, NO MATTER WHAT THE FUCK YOU SAY. You're only insisting on that because you're scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28174

how many posts did pirate mollie have that game

please tell me how many posts pirate mollie had this game i am honestly extremely curious

Wisdom, don't avoid me.

Enough to be read. Here not the case.

[Wisdom]

i am 100% sure tip is scum

VOTE: Tip

cool Nacho is scum

Just one left, probably Metal Sonic.

{Nacho, Mara, TIP, Syryana, ?}

I'd say Metal Sonic but two scum bussing TIP seems a little unlikely.

We'll see though.

The most likely I see right now is
{Nachoffery, Syryana, MrObvious, ?, ?} with 2 of {Mara, TIP, mollie, Metal Sonic} filling the two question marks.

and Metal Sonic or something

And N, yeah, Metal Sonic has posted. Everyone has.

GIF, Mara and TIP are town. Cabd, N and Mutley too, though I'm less sure about the latter two right now.

That leaves sangres, Syryana, MrObvious, Metal Sonic and mollie. Less sure about the latter two here too.

SHE HAS NOT POSTED ENOUGH FOR YOU TO PEG HER, NO MATTER WHAT THE FUCK YOU SAY. You're only insisting on that because you're scum.

big talk

Except I didn't go tunneling on any of those reads like Nacho's doing with mollie. Get the difference? Good.

[Wisdom]

Metal Sonic you've posted far enough for me to peg you. In the quotes you posted you were in my secondary scumreads, PoE leftovers. I didn't tunnel on you like Nacho is doing with mollie. The fact you want to tell us the two are comparable somehow just proves everything.

pedit: Semi-tunneling because PoE put you in my secondary scumreads? Really?

[Wisdom]

Metal Sonic is saying that you tunneling on mollie is the same as me putting him in a secondary scumread list (like saying that x,y,z,?,? are scum, and Metal Sonic could be one of the question marks), and calls me a hypocrite for that. How the fuck is me calling that bullshit me being a tunneling fuck?

[Wisdom]

pff
Why are you trusting Nacho? Do you think mollie has posted enough?

[Wisdom]

so
if mollie is scum, Andy is scum.
Can you infer anything from Andy's reads?

[Wisdom]

I think that if he's scum, his partners are Sonic, Obvious, N and GIF.
The accusation on TIP seems solid, and he was (and is) the top wagon, so it looks like he just wanted to maintain the heat there.
Maybe Cabd if one is wrong, the townread on Cabd does not look that genuine to me.

[Wisdom]

As for Syry, I don't know. Putting him as a null if he's a partner would be too blatant, but that's WIFOM. Not my top pick for his partner anyway.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom has the weirdest pushes that make no fucking sense. Apparently you're scum for pushing mollie for not posting enough, yet all of his scumreads are those with the lowest postcounts.

Look at this strawman here.

A) I'm pushing sangres because Nacho does not feel like town-Nacho and their push on a so far inactive mollie is weird given they're both capable of reading her accurately when she posts more. Not because they're pushing someone with a low postcount.

B) My scumreads have absolutely nothing to do with postcount. You are scum for a nonsensical deathtunnel and defending scummy people, especially Metal Sonic, whose only arguments have been echoes of yours. That should make you suspicious, but instead you townread him. Metal Sonic is scum for an ever more nonsensical deathtunnel and his avoiding to contribute anything else at all. Cabd is scum for avoiding the game and finding excuses such as "I'll go meta people" for doing so. Syryana is scum because of his so easy townread on me in the beginning - while Mara was also guilty of that, Mara has at least gone through a paranoia phase with me and she now knows when to townread me or not (or at least she thinks so). Syryana has no such excuse.

"You're scum for tunnelling on you. Please ignore me while I tunnel on Metal Sonic."

Yeah that's all I said in there. Strawman scum is strawman.

I still feel conflicted about you, but if you are town you'll probably get killed at night so I've decided to not let you worry me for a bit.

Read: "I'll be pushing sangres tomorrow because they didn't get killed at night"

You're saying you think both sangres and I are scum, so why on earth would I set that up?

Wisdom, you make no fuckin' sense.

VOTE: Wisdom

You could also be scum without sangres. My scumreads on you two are not guaranteed to be both right and you're not guaranteed to be scum together.

I don't know why you're trying to push a lurker

Fuck this. You know better than this to realize my reasons on Metal Sonic have nothing to do with lurking. Hell, you know better than this to realize I'd never push someone because of lurking. I don't lynch without thinking someone is scum. You are not N or anyone who sees me for the first time and freaks out. Fuck. This. You are scum.

I don't understand what you're saying here. Are you saying you think town that meet you for the first time are likely to freak out?

Yes. It's a fact that stupid town scumread me in their first game with me because they can't handle my playstyle. I don't know if it applies to you since you've modded one of my games though.
It could apply to Metal Sonic.

Except I didn't go tunneling on any of those reads like Nacho's doing with mollie. Get the difference? Good.

You kinda are.

No. Mentioning someone in secondary scumreads and saying he might be one of the last question marks is not even close to tunneling. He was arguing I was tunneling him back then, not now.

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: N

If you all vouch for Metal Sonic's play to be normal I have no choice. I hate his play, but I can't help it if we have to deal with VIs.
N is no VI however, and he continues doing the strawman and hardtunneling on me.

[Wisdom]

How does that affect your read on wisdom?
Wouldn't that make him more town for avoiding the easy lynches, under this logic?

Have you even looked at Wisdom's reads? Those are exactly who he's pushing.

Not to mention misrepping like this.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom let's form a Townbloc

I have one, you're not in it.

[Wisdom]

Because I keep wondering if you're scum or if you're town reading me wrong. The fact you've seen my towngame however, even as not a player, makes me believe it's the former though. You're freaking out and tunneling like I'm the megascum of the planet while you've seen me playing town before and getting similar reactions from town (HD and Disturbed come to mind)

[Wisdom]

That's all you have to say? Really?

[Wisdom]

Metal Sonic, if Andy is indeed scum, who do you see as his buddies based on his reads?

[Wisdom]

That's fair.

But why are you trusting that Nacho is town and are willing to sheep him?

[Wisdom]

I'm kinda starting to feel Andy-scum myself now.
Post like these:

-ANDY

BECAUSE SIGNING POSTS AS A HYDRA IS PRO-TOWN

I don't like at all.
It reads as classic scum who tries to buddy me. I said in the beginning that I wanted hydras to sign their posts, so he tries to satisfy me so I townread him.

[Wisdom]

tne, Mutley is town.

[Wisdom]

Except I did answer the question.

[Wisdom]

Cabd is scum. He's trying to hide behind apathy to avoid the game, and his posts continue to be generic meta talk. His vote goes on a lurker without many posts so that he doesn't have to explain it too much and doesn't have to continue contributing anything either. Then when he'll be back he will say "omg this game sucks gais, i dont want to post" again.

Based on 1132, I'd say 4,11,6 and 7 are the buddies.

{Cabd, N, Andy, GIF, Syryana}

[Wisdom]

Except I did answer the question.

not the question I asked. You say "town players that meet me for the first time, like N, often freak out", then you say "I think your scum, so that thing I said about you being town freaking out about meeting me for the first time doesn't actually apply to you".

As I explained, I am not sure if it applies to you or not, because you're not exactly meeting me for the first time.

[Wisdom]

Because I was thinking it might apply when I posted it.

[Wisdom]

Mara how do you feel about GIF?

[Wisdom]

VOTE: better than nachos

[Wisdom]

{Cabd, N, GIF, Syryana}

[Wisdom]

nah

[Wisdom]

Have you read the thread..?

[Wisdom]

Silly Mutley. Do you know why acting confident in twilight in Polygamy worked? Because it's emulating my town play.

[Wisdom]

There isn't, that's why you you're silly.

[Wisdom]

There isn't exactly because I'm good at emulating.
In other words; you think this is "my scum twilight posting" because you saw me being confident in Polygamy. However I was confident there because I'm confident as town. Therefore being confident might either mean I'm town, or that I'm scum acting like my townself. Therefore you can't tell which is which and that's why there's no town or scum Wisdom. Get it?

[Wisdom]

I get what you are saying, but you are wrong. You'd just be wisdom, you wouldn't be emulating anything

You don't get it.

[Wisdom]

nah, my role pms just say "you are wisdom, do whatever you want"

[Wisdom]

noope.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: cabd
L-1

[Wisdom]

cabd is scum, mutley.

And so are GIF, N and Syryana.

[Wisdom]

Wagon speed means nothing in regards to alignment. I used to think that too but it's wrong.

[Wisdom]

That's not a bad point.
UNVOTE:

[Wisdom]

If Cabd isn't scum, the scumteam could be something like {N, GIF, Syryana, TIP} with the latter three exploiting Nacho's last will to push the mislynch.
If he is however; I don't see more than maybe one scum being on his wagon. Mutley's point is very solid; they're already one point behind, I don't think they'd risk hard bussing. What scumteam could be possible in that case? Maybe something like {N, TIP, Metal Sonic, MrObvious} - but I don't find that very likely. The latter two seem more town now.

Regardless, I should stop thinking about what teams make sense and look at people individually. Cabd does not look town in any way.
VOTE: cabd

[Wisdom]

What are your final reads, Cabd?

[Wisdom]

N is much more likely to be scum than MS imo.

[Wisdom]

I agree with your logic however, it's 3 scum from your wagon + 1 from mine.

[Wisdom]

You think I'm scum yet you're

annoyed

at me?

[Wisdom]

VOTE: gif
let's finish this

[Wisdom]

GIF, N and TIP are the remaining scum.

[Wisdom]

Because associative tells from flipped scum's reads, PoE, and your play being weak and not reminding of town.

[Wisdom]

Nacho said Syr or TIP, why Syr over TIP?

[Wisdom]

Metal Sonic is not scum for that, Mara.
Though I'll sheep you on N. Either him or GIF is fine.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: N

[Wisdom]

Metal Sonic you're supposed to say "wisdom is scum" in every post, don't combobreak now

[Wisdom]

Why is he scum?

[Wisdom]

1. You should not listen to what people say, they might be lying to you.
2. Not a scumtell, especially since he voted scum.
3. See 2.
4. Bullshit.

[Wisdom]

And if you read the game, you'd know I don't have a townread on him. I just have 3 stronger scumreads.

[Wisdom]

GIF, is N town? Why?

[Wisdom]

lol skype Mafia? Seriously?

[Wisdom]

You scumread Syryana for lurking and voting scum yet you have nothing to say about N's actions this game?

[Wisdom]

What does it matter if suspicion is not on him if he loses the game?

[Wisdom]

One more scumlynch and he loses, would he really bus twice so he doesn't have attention on him?

[Wisdom]

I already answered to that when you first brought it up. It's bullshit. Everyone does not play the same all the time. One billion reasons might affect how someone plays. From apathy to real life.

[Wisdom]

But thank you for reminding me that Syry voted two scum, now I can call him town and be confident.

N/GIF/TIP.

[Wisdom]

That's a hammer, and judging from GIF's tone, we just won.

[Wisdom]

^guess we did.

[Wisdom]

If it isn't GIF, then MrObvious or Metal Sonic.

[Wisdom]

And given Metal Sonic's vote, guess it's the former.

[Wisdom]

gg.

I am happy that I was right about N despite nobody listening to me.

Sorry to Nacho for making his life hard on D1, but at least things were more interesting that way I guess.

Metal Sonic I know why you kept thinking I'm scum, but this is my playstyle and it helps me read people.

Scum were more or less burned by apathy, which happens if they are not able to keep up with active town.

[Wisdom]

Scum were more or less burned by apathy, which happens if they are not able to keep up with active town.

Scum QT:

Meh. This game is like... every time I try to catch up, I hit wisdom's avatar and my mind goes all "Fuck nah"

This is exactly what I meant.

[Wisdom]

You still can't read me! Told you so.

[Wisdom]

I liked the setup a lot. The fact there are a lot of scum makes it interesting to look for association tells and reactions to various things (which is why I went for a scummy playstyle). I think we would have got the rest of the scum too if the game continued.

Thanks for the game! I would definitely play it again.