Mini 1491: WePick

[Who]

VOTE: TheIrishPope
Obviously he's too dumb not to be scum.

[Who]

Yeah, notes don't read that well
JasonWazza is one of the savviest scum I've ever seen
Guyett is a guy I played a game with! Once!
The Purple Shoe is someone?
Generic is one of da best scum partners I've ever had
Pyrotechnics is a hydra I think
Kdub is most definitely a hydra, methinks Saki's in there
1baldeagle1 is an eagle
Who is a veteran and old friend of mine (no Cult here bro)
StubbsKVM is prob Town
dopog I've never heard of
Architect of Thought is a hydra I guess
TheIrishPope is silky and Town
Toomai is a person or a mystical entity

Fact-check of your hydralist:
Pyrotechnics is a hydra of Tammy and Syryana
kdub is not a hydra, he was in a newbie.
Architect of Thought is probably not a hydra, his only post was to /in for this game.

[Who]

VOTE: TIP

Bring back the TIP cat meme post restriction!!!

Time for a player-enforced restriction: If he doesn't follow it we'll insta-lynch him.

Time to bandwagon I guess.

VOTE: JasonWazza

That is not bandwagoning, voting TIP is bandwagoning.

[Who]

So... You don't want to tell your role and then you do a few posts later? You have 2 votes on you in a 13p game, and you claim because of that?

Also, TIP, if only scum would not want to tell everyone their role then why won't you tell us yours? Why not just say "Everybody mass-claim right now"?

[Who]

You were afraid of 5 votes overnight?
Not to mention that anyone hammering that early would either have a very good reason for it or be quicklynched the next day.

[Who]

Woohoo! Nice one! I see that TiP is now dead somehow, probably a day vig. I thought TiP was town and I was sheeping him.

UNVOTE:

I see that I'm at L-2. I'll claim later.

Why did you think TIP was town?
Even if you did, why would you sheep him?

[Who]

tighten down the lynchpool

TIP's killer is not necessarily town. A dayvig would be fairly OP in the hands of scum, but it doesn't mean it's impossible. Given how TIP was a mafia traitor, the mafia would not know that he was with them.

[Who]

Why do you assume that they are one-shot?

If you were picking a role and wanted to be a dayvig, would you say "one-shot dayvig" or "day-vig"?

[Who]

And good point about scum not wanting to use their power on someone scummy enough to lynch. They could be hoping for towncred though, but I would agree that it is unlikely.
However, I still don't see how them claiming now helps us. They should claim if they get close to a lynch, but if they don't then all they're doing is painting a target on their head for the scum's NK.

[Who]

How do you know it is just 2 alignments? is anti town limited to just Mafia?

It was impossible to choose third party, I asked if I could choose another alignment and the answer was that I could choose between "town" and "mafia".

[Who]

You actively wanted to be 3rd party who?

Yes I did, was that a crime?

Also Who why have you been avoiding this thread?

I haven't been avoiding this thread in particular, I have been inactive on the mafiascum forums due to the fact that I am busy at the moment with schoolwork which I had the entire summer to do but procrastinated until now when it is due on Tuesday.

[Who]

This question usually sparks up conversation:

Are you happy with your role?

My answer: Not really.

How does that help the town?

That's worse than a choiceclaim. Assuming the scum assume everyone tells the truth, nobody unhappy will get NKed because they are likely to either be less powerful or not be very good with their role.

[Who]

Can you say wifom?

But then it won't help the town if we don't expect people to tell the truth.

WIFOM requires the possibility of lying, getting any information out of it requires honesty by the townies and persecution of liars.

I say that either we mass-claim and attempt to break the game or we just don't claim anything at all. I would vote for the latter.

[Who]

We have 8 days left, aren't we being a bit hasty?

I don't disagree with a 1baldeagle1 lynch, but I think that with 8 days left it isn't yet time to say "We should lynch this person now".

[Who]

We have 8 days left, aren't we being a bit hasty?

I don't disagree with a 1baldeagle1 lynch, but I think that with 8 days left it isn't yet time to say "We should lynch this person now".

Has he been hammered then?

He has not, and I am saying that it should stay that way for a few days.

[Who]

@kdub
At the moment I do think baldeagle is scum. It isn't about keeping him around, it's about getting more information today to use tonight/tomorrow.

[Who]

Pyro, your case against dopog is a very good case and I will sheep it for now.
VOTE: dopog
Dopog, please post more so that I can find my own evidence against you besides just sheeping pyro.

[Who]

That should be who as in what people are town not who the player.

We should just lynch him so we don't have to put up with the "Who's on first?" schtick.

Is that why you keep attacking me?

And really I don't think I was misrepping Who. Read both of his questions and don't tell me they're rather loaded in #53 and #55. It looked like he was trying to open up vote opportunities on either of them pending answers. Which can come from town but I think that type of questioning oftentimes comes from scum.

So when two people do scummy things and/or use flawed logic, the correct response is not to argue with both of them?
And you still haven't covered the fact that you said you had a scumread on TIP when he was dead despite having said that you had read past the part where he died.



About scum on the wagon, I would say that Guyett looks the scummiest out of that. He sheeped a case which had since been responded to right as the wagon was building up steam. TPS was the vote to get the wagon to L-1, so she's sorta scummyish from it, but 381 seems genuine, and also her vote wasn't a complete sheep.

[Who]

If dopog is town, it's an easy counterwagon to jump on to get pressure off of eagle.

Very good point. Still staying on dopog though.

[Who]

289 is pretty bad from Who. I could get on that wagon

@Jason why are you inactive here? I have checked and you seems to be pretty inactive across the site.

How is me liking third party relevant when I could not choose it?

[Who]

Because I like being a serial killer?

I like being powerful but alone.

[Who]

If you wanted a killing role like a serial killer its not a big jump to assume you would go for scum

If I wanted a killing role why not just ask for vig/NK-immune-miller-vig? As SK I generally play like a vig.

[Who]

I would prefer dopog/eagle/stubbs in that order for being lynched today. I'll switch to eagle tomorrow if dopog doesn't get enough support.

[Who]

And does anyone who wants to see me lynched have a case besides that I admitted to liking SK?

[Who]

I think that was a scum vig.

I agree.

So, we have a scum day-vig. Good to know. Hopefully they get vig-killed tonight.

This game needs more dopog.

[Who]

I am good with either a baldeagle lynch or a dopog lynch, it would appear that eagle is getting more support and at this time we need a lynch so
VOTE: 1baldeagle1

[Who]

About Toomai, I don't see support mobilizing for a wagon in this limited amount of time and I see him as less scummy than baldeagle or dopog, so I won't vote him unless the votes completely change.

[Who]

VOTE: Toomai
How does that make TPS scum? Eagle's killer is most likely TIP's killer as well.

[Who]

I'm not sure about a mass-claim. It would ensure that our remaining dayvig, if they're not scum, would die tonight, and for what?

Also, if the scum have a roleblocker then they could stop the vig's kill. (Again, only if the vig is not scum)

Anyone who has reason to claim (e.g. an informative role with a result) should claim, but I don't see the point of anyone else claiming.

[Who]

hi;

@Stubbs; do you have any reads?

Also answer my question Who;

@Who; Why do you think there is another town-aligned vig ala #477?

The answer isn't totally obvious?

About my preferred lynches, eagle is dead and you are the other, Toomai was scummy today so I voted him today. I'm still thinking about you.

[Who]

Yes. And before Generic died.

[Who]

How was Generic an obv-town? He was (very probably) Guyett's murderer.

[Who]

Toomai's at L-2. Nobody vote him until kdub tells us what is going on.

[Who]

Mass-claim sounds good.

I don't think order matters much (There can't be any counterclaims or anything since it is completely possible for multiple people to have the same role) but I think we should do popcorn starting with Jason.

[Who]

So that's what yesterday was about then?
And did you pick role or alignment?

I am an NK-immune Miller Vig. (I said I liked being Serial Killer, when I couldn't be one I decided to just take NK-immune Miller Vig. Miller because A) it's more like SK that way and B) because I was unsure if Empking would allow just an unlimited-shot NK-immune Vig)
I killed Generic n1 and tried to kill Jason last night but for some reason Jason's still alive and dopog and TPS are dead.
Popcorn to Stubbs.

[Who]

Kdub and Jason are confirmed by each other, they could hypothetically be scumpartners but they have been acting like a mason pair since d1 and if they are scumpartners then it would have been very risky, especially with all the vigs flying around. Thus it's Architect and Stubbs by POE. Also they both had rather convenient claims, though Stubbs' was more convenient than Architect. I think we should lynch Stubbs then if it isn't it must be Kdub and Jason and I can kill one of them tonight, if Stubbs does flip scum then it's him and Architect and I can kill Architect tonight.

Any objections to lynching Stubbs or shall we proceed?

[Who]

Good game.
Kdub, you are a very good partner.

[Who]

Your mason nexus worked, it just redirected me into my second choice. We had 2 kills which depended on both of us being alive. You had plenty of PRs though and we had one of us as a traitor, I would call this setup balanced, if a little swingy. Swinginess is impossible to avoid given this many vigs though.