Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[Mantisdreamz]

Yeah you can wait.

seriously though, it involves me re reading a lot more of the game, so it's not going to be super quick.

[Mantisdreamz]

It's not like she has posted much...

i'm talking about other stuff as well, not just specifically peng ISO
wisdom, i caught disturbed on day 1, btw
and said that he recruited rc

[Mantisdreamz]

Yeah and then you believed that he derped and forgot who he protected

he seemed sincere

1414 - maybe.
but what mollie said i think.. maybe lynching VT over possible special was what he was thinking.

[Mantisdreamz]

plus, it wasn't forgotten who he protected that i believed. it was the fact that he could h ave forgotten that you couldn't have been recruited

[Mantisdreamz]

maybe lynching VT over possible special was what he was thinking.

Desperado and havingfitz weren't possible PRs?

hm..

[Mantisdreamz]

UNVOTE: desp

[Mantisdreamz]

My point was that her derp-level was null because, as you admitted, you've never seen mantis be this derpy at all, whereas the example mollie provided from TR is pretty clearly reflective of mantis' play here.

you've got to be kidding me.
you said you read that game? did you see my all of 7 posts of random useless questions that i resort to as scum?

i kinda think that's bs, desp. you are using that game as a reason for a vote, because you think it's similar when it's actually not even close to similar AT ALL? that's bs.

[Mantisdreamz]

You are confbiasing all over the place on serra and need to stop, seriously. I'm still confident in one scum in {serra, Nat, Tater} and of the three, I think serra is the one most likely to flip town by a fair margin.

why does serra seem townier than Tat and/or Nat?

[Mantisdreamz]

penguin, why is it that neither you or Desp have mentioned each other? except for at the beginning you guys were idly asking questions to each other... which kind of appears like possible attempts at distancing from each other, as scum buddies. and the questions kinda petered out and didn't lead to anything

but you guys have not even brought each other up at all. or if i've missed it (i'm looking at both ISO's), then it must have been just a passing comment, if that.

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Desp's earlier ISO is a little weird too. he states out of nowhere that: arc, newearth, lynnx and fitz are town: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5193537
when fitz had made one post of substance, which involved a vote on me for posting a picture or something.

then later he randomly states that Bert, Tater and i should be lynched: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5207230
while at this point, he hasn't even had any discussion with me OR Tater. and was voting Bert at the time, pushing him about Bert's vote on Nat, when Bert was looking pretty towny at that point.

mollie - if you remember, you even made mention that you did not like the angle Desp was taking on Bert.

[Mantisdreamz]

Desp and penguin are scum and this serra defense is troubling me.

YES

[Mantisdreamz]

think Desp is scum and was whiteknighting thenewearth

[Mantisdreamz]

Mantis, if serra is town, who is the third scum?

i was just gonna say...... but you might flip out... that i could actually potentially see a scum slimer. trying to take on the appearance of just being lazy town.

if not - i dunno, maybe Tater? i have to read their posts again, but i've thought town the whole time so far. or Nat - have to read him again in relation to penguin and Desp

[Mantisdreamz]

think Desp is scum and was whiteknighting thenewearth

You're hilarious, you know that?

is it cause i voted Desp earlier than unvoted him, and am now back to scum him?

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oh ya the thing with Nat, is that if Desp is scum, he was (what i mentioned in post 1480) pushing Bert for voting him. don't know if i could see scum doing that for their partner.

[Mantisdreamz]

i was just gonna say...... but you might flip out... that i could actually potentially see a scum slimer. trying to take on the appearance of just being lazy town.

<3

yes... so you may be right on him

[Mantisdreamz]

heh

[Mantisdreamz]

i guess though, from looking at Desp's earlier posts from the ISO - where he had already started to whiteknight thenewearth, he'd have to keep up appearances and not lynch TNE. you might have said that in response to me... it sounds familiar

[Mantisdreamz]

yay!

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VOTE: penguin

[Mantisdreamz]

lol

[Mantisdreamz]

if mac thinks she's buddying you.... do you agree that that might actually be the case?

[Mantisdreamz]

lol

ohey

got anything to comment on

?

or...

i was laughing at your gif, you doofus

[Mantisdreamz]

>.>

[Mantisdreamz]

if mac thinks she's buddying you.... do you agree that that might actually be the case?

it might be. I don't have a hard grasp on her game in general.

the weirdest thing was to desp, "mollie likes me better than you"

and somehow I feel a weird sense of deja vu and it did not turn out well.

your posts today look better. tell me more.

at this point you are capable of fleshing out your reads, so plz do so

lol "capable"
no i did take the time to look at their ISOs... and Desp's post today prompted that. (his bs post)

my reads are pretty much what i've stated already though.
i really think it's desp and penguin.
whould town would whiteknight thenewearth, at this point?
and peng looks different. i think wisdom said it right, when he said that she (if town) would have gone back on her reading of him, as possibly scummish. but instead, she sticks with it.

kinda makes sense too... desp takes the view that TNE is town, while peng pushes on TNE. (if they're partners) .. causes, confusion.

my question to you ---- why have you had Tater as on and off scum, throughout the past while?

[Mantisdreamz]

sorry didn't preview... came out kinda messy

[Mantisdreamz]

P-edit: HALLELUJAH MANTIS

HE/SHE'S SAVED

HALLEFREAKINLUJAH

[Mantisdreamz]

i feel like we really had scum all nicely lined up on the shelf (in desp, peng, slimer or tater) and a few just came in and whacked them off..

[Mantisdreamz]

Bert re 1667 - that's not true, i was thinking peng well before wis and brought slimer up to him, thinking serra may be right. desp was due to isoing him and see his & wis's back n forth

wis re 1666 - its true, they felt like they could be. maybe ya didn't like the fact that i saud 'lined up'

[Mantisdreamz]

1671-- Wis, i brought up peng in the qt?? And u asked mt opinion on the 3rd scum. thrse are not your reads I'm blindly trusting. how about when i refused to vote serra? Was that being too trusting of u. please don't get all paranoid again.

also, remember when we discovered that it was rc and disturbed..kinda felt similar to that.

[Mantisdreamz]

really Nat? you think i'm bussing both my scum partners, while being on verge on lynch myself??

[Mantisdreamz]

UNVOTE: penguin
VOTE: desp

[Mantisdreamz]

@Mantis
Read on FakeGod?

seems ok i think.

[Mantisdreamz]

why penguin now over desp?

[Mantisdreamz]

ah nvm, cause of this

Also, how is Desp useful? He has done nothing useful in 81 pages sDeal r.

He's a shrewd guy. He's provided a contrarian view consistently throughout the game. Both of those are good things to have in your town.

I have a decent amount of respect for Desp's skill. Don't misunderstand me, though, I think he can be scum here--you wouldn't have to take much to convince me to put the hammer down on him.

[Mantisdreamz]

nats, you still believe fakegod is scum?

[Mantisdreamz]

Meaning?

i think fg is town

[Mantisdreamz]

@Mantis
Because of that and because

I can see serra instead of Desp in the scumteam with penguin and Huntress

, but not Desp with serra.

the bold - why?
sorry if i missed if u said somewhere already

[Mantisdreamz]

Why?

because i like his posts. and as you said, i don't think if he were scum, he'd be pointing out what he thinks to be fake breadcrumbs on nats part. that is, unnecessarily drawing attention to himself.

and.. i'm considering that he might have a point with nats.

[Mantisdreamz]

dear bert,

if you are interested in my interrogation, why not do it yourself?

[Mantisdreamz]

ya wisdom, i still think desp. not serra

[Mantisdreamz]

Why?

because i like his posts. and as you said, i don't think if he were scum, he'd be pointing out what he thinks to be fake breadcrumbs on nats part. that is, unnecessarily drawing attention to himself.

and.. i'm considering that he might have a point with nats.

looking at the progression of those crumbs....hell no.

what about this though

the only thing that is bugging me is that after we posted our list where we put nats and tater as our top town reads nats started dropping them even more,

[Mantisdreamz]

Does anyone here know huntress? I sort of like her thoughts so far, but slimer was pretty horrible after his little spurt of defense D1 and I've only seen him replace out of scumgames.

And this does not help either. He's apparently trying to change the read that he was pushing all game to a townread now.

Yup, how very devious of me to consider huntress' posts more townie than anything slimer had posted. You know, you pulling shit like this is the reason I really haven't felt the motivation to do anything this day.

Oh really? And I thought it was because you had no time and because you were setting up your micro - but now you're admitting that you have actually avoided doing anything on purpose and jumping on an excuse to justify it.

you twisted that
no motivation does not equal purposely avoiding

[Mantisdreamz]

whatever mollie.
you posted that in the same post that you listed his crumbs.
i said i was fucking considering it.

[Mantisdreamz]

bert - mollie is not.

[Mantisdreamz]

I am now. Nats' claim is probably legit which means her and Tayter are town which means Serra is scum.

bert - mollie is not.

Mollie is not what? MACMOLLIE, OK so it's Mac who has experience with you, not mollie

same thing, you know what I meant

i meant mollie cannot read me

[Mantisdreamz]

I am doing something--getting serra lynched. You'll get my reads on fakegod and huntress when I give them to you.

That's not doing anything. You're still following your erroneous assumption that one of those three is scum.

Says the guy who's been basing all of his reads off of who makes the most sense as a scumteam together. You are the king of erroneous assumptions.

Seriously fucking look at this.
I cannot fucking let this guy lynch serra.

and look at this

well it looks like penny and desp "missed" them I mean penny voted nats and desp has been tossing suspicion nats way all day.

what do you think of that

I also don't like how you are going after bert who is probably telling the truth.

I'm not sure what I think about penguin yet, I'm still mulling that over. I don't like some of her posts but the fact that Wisdom is pushing her lynch is making me hesitate. At the moment I wouldn't be averse to her lynch. As for Desp, he hasn't commented on Nat since all this came out into the open so I'll wait to see what he has to say about it to see if that changes my view of him.

this

is hedging.

[Mantisdreamz]

penguin/Desp/Huntress. Period.

please. do not stray from this.

[Mantisdreamz]

funny cos in gchat mac and I are trying to figure out which 1 is your buddy!

waste of time!

[Mantisdreamz]

Wisdom you weren't clearly doing anything and continuing to lash out at everyone and anyone is one of the major reasons you're scum.

oh boy

[Mantisdreamz]

desp, you really think Wis was hardcore bussing serra.. you know, when he was shouting about his lynch for pages?

[Mantisdreamz]

nevermind his current position. you are saying that you really believe that wisdom was screaming and trying to get everyone to vote for his scumbuddy serra.... for town credit?

[Mantisdreamz]

just to explain why i was considering fakegod's position on Nat -- is because Nat's breadcrumbs looked almost too big.
that might sound ridiculous... but, they do look suspiciously obvious. so it makes me hesitate a bit... i would imagine a cop would try to be more subtle

and i guess now that it's out.. Nat, who is your character?

[Mantisdreamz]

nevermind his current position. you are saying that you really believe that wisdom was screaming and trying to get everyone to vote for his scumbuddy serra.... for town credit?

What are you even getting at? Yes, I believe that.

i'm getting at the fact that you said, "considering wisdom's position".. as if it really makes a difference.. or makes it any better, that you want to roll with the idea that wisdom was hardcore bussing his partner.

[Mantisdreamz]

i missed that he claimed.
hedging? no, i'm explaining why i was considering it.

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nevermind his current position. you are saying that you really believe that wisdom was screaming and trying to get everyone to vote for his scumbuddy serra.... for town credit?

I think wis is solid town but I want to put this out there. wis has said he would hard bus a scummate in a heartbeat.

and what I mean by putting this out there is that you are scumreading desp cos he think this when wis has said he would do exactly this. so your line of questioning is flawed.

i've never seen scum bus a partner that hard. in any game i've played.

[Mantisdreamz]

nevermind his current position. you are saying that you really believe that wisdom was screaming and trying to get everyone to vote for his scumbuddy serra.... for town credit?

What are you even getting at? Yes, I believe that.

i'm getting at the fact that you said, "considering wisdom's position".. as if it really makes a difference.. or makes it any better, that you want to roll with the idea that wisdom was hardcore bussing his partner.

So let me get this straight.

Wisdom comes out of the gate guns blazing on Nat. When that doesn't work out, he shifts seamlessly to Serra and champions Serra's lynch for several pages.

Now he refuses to vote serra under any circumstances because it's the lynch I want.

And you don't think they could be on the same team? Because Wisdom pushed for his buddy lynched really hard for a few pages?

That's pretty narrow-minded, and beside the point to boot.

i think it's silly that you are even trying to push wisdom.
plus - see where i said i have

never

seen scum push a buddy that hard.


wisdom - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5138169
desp, you are reminding me of scum-disturbed

[Mantisdreamz]

i missed that he claimed.
hedging? no, i'm explaining why i was considering it.

Looks to me like you're still leaving the door open for Nats' claim to be bunk. Why else were you suggesting that the breadcrumbs were a bit too obvious and then asking her to claim her role name?

because if he was scum fake-claiming, it'd be interesting to see what claim he would come up with.
anyway - it looks to me, like you're trying to plant suspicion on me now for considering.
mollie - remember IAI

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nevermind his current position. you are saying that you really believe that wisdom was screaming and trying to get everyone to vote for his scumbuddy serra.... for town credit?

I think wis is solid town but I want to put this out there. wis has said he would hard bus a scummate in a heartbeat.

and what I mean by putting this out there is that you are scumreading desp cos he think this when wis has said he would do exactly this. so your line of questioning is flawed.

i've never seen scum bus a partner that hard. in any game i've played.

that shit is an outright lie, bussing used to be a huge fucking on tr. ksen and praying both hardbus like hell and I had to do it in the sherlock game when I was pretending to be luis.

eta: in reign of flame cooldog went 1v1 against majiffy

you and majiffy were caught out for it. it wasn't genuine.

anyone that can really say with a straight face that wisdom genuinely looked like he was bussing serra... and then even made an apology post to serra, stating that he was wrong.... is crazy.

[Mantisdreamz]

misread - i saw majiffy, and thought you were talking about the tr game where you and him did some scum theatre

[Mantisdreamz]

.... is crazy.

or scum

[Mantisdreamz]

yes

[Mantisdreamz]

Not crazy, just scum.

so why are you not voting desp???

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wis

when you flip town i will break down with such sadness because your play has been terribad in this game

Really, now?

mac made a huge slip right there. "when" should have been "if". I think town sera who had a scum read on us would have pursued this to the ends of the earth and he didn't. town makes dumb mistakes all of the time that is why "slips" are only 50% chance of being scum and have the same weight as a coin toss.

i noticed that he said that too... but since i've got a townread on you guys, i didn't point it out.

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Not crazy, just scum.

so why are you not voting desp???

You're not reading.

i am.
you want Nat to sort him out...
but he seems so obviously scum to me right now.
and seeing you agreeing that that statement would come from scum, i'm wondering why you're waiting

[Mantisdreamz]

i missed that he claimed.
hedging? no, i'm explaining why i was considering it.

Looks to me like you're still leaving the door open for Nats' claim to be bunk. Why else were you suggesting that the breadcrumbs were a bit too obvious and then asking her to claim her role name?

because if he was scum fake-claiming, it'd be interesting to see what claim he would come up with.
anyway - it looks to me, like you're trying to plant suspicion on me now for considering.
mollie - remember IAI

No, I'm accusing you of hedging your read on a player who you shouldn't be hedging on at this stage. You either think Nats' claim is legit or not, and asking her to claim her role name when she had already done so betrays the fact that you aren't reading her very closely...even though you think she might be lying.

i don't think it's either yes or no legit.
i am hesitant to full on believe it.

[Mantisdreamz]

Because I don't want to lynch from {Desp/serra}. I'll lynch penguin, who is scum regardless of which of Desp/serra is scum. Then Natirasha will tell us which is scum tomorrow.

:\

[Mantisdreamz]

look. I am done talking with both of you cos we are not getting anywhere.

I can't deal with wis when he is in full blown trolleytracking mode and I cannot deal with you saying that you have never seen hardbussing like that when i know for a fact you have. jesus christ fery hardbussed her entire team and you all had her as town for it when I kept telling you guys that no, she was indeed scum.

^ I was right.

there is no reasoning with either of you.

i have never seen scum pull it off the way that desp is making out wisdom to have pulled it off (or attempted to), with serra. is that more clear?
it reeks of genuine town... and saying otherwise, is just silly.

[Mantisdreamz]

also just cause you're right on reads in another game, doesn't make you spot on with reads in a current game

[Mantisdreamz]

mollie, tell me why penguin is town. You say you'll compromise on Huntress, yet nothing about penguin.

penguin is unsure. it really is as simple as that. I want to lynch a scumread that other players (including yourself) were scumreading.

what I have gained is a town read on mantis (finally) cos she will misremember stuff, it is a personality trait for her.

we spent 2 hours looking for her car in niagara falls

literally, no exagerration, 2 HOURS!!!

lol.

[Mantisdreamz]

sorry mollie - post 2209, was begrudgingly referring to your scum read on me this game.. and the serra one...

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look. I am done talking with both of you cos we are not getting anywhere.

I can't deal with wis when he is in full blown trolleytracking mode and I cannot deal with you saying that you have never seen hardbussing like that when i know for a fact you have. jesus christ fery hardbussed her entire team and you all had her as town for it when I kept telling you guys that no, she was indeed scum.

^ I was right.

there is no reasoning with either of you.

i have never seen scum pull it off the way that desp is making out wisdom to have pulled it off (or attempted to), with serra. is that more clear?
it reeks of genuine town... and saying otherwise, is just silly.

you know wis, desp does not.

the site meta supports people are capable of hardbussing.

and I am telling you YES YOU HAVE SEEN IT BUT I KNOW THAT YOU WILL BE STUBBORN AND NOT CONCEDE THE POINT EVEN IF I PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE. COS THAT IS HOW YOU ARE. STUBBORN.

i'm saying that i have not seen scum hardbus like what desp thinks wisdom is doing!!!!!! sure, there's always a chance it could be.... but come on. if everyone was that cautious ("oh this has been done as scum before"), no one would ever have any town reads.
even if you take that out of the equation with desp... there's the fact that his others reads (i think) are no good. there's the fact that he hasn't made mention of certain people, that we have been considering scum (peng, huntress). other things too.


wisdom - just to explain this

Because I don't want to lynch from {Desp/serra}. I'll lynch penguin, who is scum regardless of which of Desp/serra is scum. Then Natirasha will tell us which is scum tomorrow.

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i'm not as certain of peng-scum as desp. i still think there's a good chance... but only because i brought Nats into the picture, with the suspiciously large breadcrumbs. i still think huntress is scum though.

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Nah, Natirasha is town. He made me paranoid for a while too, but he's town.

and that is my only issue... or, why i could potentially move penguin out of the scum list. is if nats was scum. i wouldn't be moving huntress or desp out of it.
but ok.
maybe huntress is the better vote for today?

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i'm saying that i have not seen scum hardbus like what desp thinks wisdom is doing!!!!!! sure, there's always a chance it could be.... but come on. if everyone was that cautious ("oh this has been done as scum before"), no one would ever have any town reads.

This isn't even close to what I'm saying, and ignores the fact that I've stated just a page ago that I don't care about associative tells without flips. It also ignores that I

was

reading Wisdom as town when he was championing Serra's lynch and that my read changed after he dropped his crusade against her.

even if you take that out of the equation with desp... there's the fact that his others reads (i think) are no good. there's the fact that he hasn't made mention of certain people, that we have been considering scum (peng, huntress). other things too.

Which reads aren't good and why does having bad reads make me scum?

Do you think only scum don't mention other players? What if I said Huntress hasn't said anything interesting enough for me to respond to?

What other things?

"crusade"

i'll respond after work

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Mollie wtf?

Did u hear what i said..scum don't bus the way wis was going after serra. i already said it reeks of genuine town. do u deny that?

I gave reasons before for desp scum, besides his stance on wisdom
ill link them later (phoneposting)
That and nost others seem more town

[Mantisdreamz]

1. In that post I quoted.

2. We don't know that for certain.

3. He had already claimed and was repeating it as requested

in the post immediately before his

.

Vote: Penguin

Her name claim matching Desp's seemed a bit too convenient and I didn't like the way she tried to get others to claim.

how is this thing even still alive what did I do to deserve this life is so unfair

anybody with me in lynching huntress

yes, i still think it's her desp and penguin. and this is possible distancing.

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does this look like his play in polygamy? cos I think so. mac mentioned it early on but deferred to my town read on wis and I am starting to wonder. he did the same thing he is doing here, fosing a scumbuddy but then not following through with it causing town to settle for compromise lynches that wind up on town. his hard push on mac reminds me of what he did to mara. I really need a second opinion here or I am likely to go off into paranoialand.

2nd opinion - i have no doubts wisdom is town.
you're probably paranoid because of the mac thing.

mantis - I cannot follow your thoughts. at all. but this has been happening in the recent games we have played together. if you are town then you know how we win games we do it by working together but I am not feeling you are doing it with me this game and it is very frustrating. if you are town I really really need you to work with us here. 1 of the things that is making wis look so scummy is cos it is reminding me of how you were with adam and how he led you around by the nose until after my/thor's flip in majiffy's game. we are not in sync and it has been that way for much longer than I like (and I am talking about in our other recent games too). can we put our heads together and go from there?

yes, we can. i know that when we don't get all paranoid of each other, we do work well. remember after our trip, i think we made an agreement to give the benefit of doubt for the first bit... and that has worked, in some of the games. but ya, that has slowly been deteriorating. didn't help that i truly thought you guys were scum day 1. :p
have to admit also, that i've been truly annoyed and pissy about the fact that you were continuously saying derp, and then made that post about how my town game was shit. it's not spectacular - yes! but, i don't think my reads are totally off at all.
main thing - i still have a townread on you.. not gonna change that. so ya, let's try and work together.
now we have to hug

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Not really, her looking for reasons just made me more certain.

Also, if she was town and I was her top suspect, she would have reacted to my vote on her just now and call it opportunistic or something. She didn't care.

similar to disturbed-scum, when i asked him why he didn't react to my vote on him, or find it suspicious

[Mantisdreamz]

Because you're about to be lynched. You should have some sort of reaction to your biggest scumreading voting you, but you had nothing.

it's true

[Mantisdreamz]

My bad, guys

similar to disturbed-scum, when i asked him why he didn't react to my vote on him, or find it suspicious

who is disturbed?

right here
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5133328
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5133379

i just can't see town not getting their back up a little. even in that game, disturbed said i was using bad logic... but he still didn't really react to it, via a vote

[Mantisdreamz]

So for me, it's penguin/Huntress/ {serra or Desp}.

for me it's penguin, huntress, desp, nat
everyone else seems town to me

[Mantisdreamz]

Sup, serra, I just checked up on TVTropes for Castle a little.

What do you find more surprising: Meredith as cop or Beckett as VT(see: Lynx)?

Just caught up, btw. Serra, thanks for restoring some amount of faith in you. Desp, you're pretty fucking scummy.

To answer your earlier question, Wisdom, I'm reserving my judgment on FakeGod right now.

Huntress can die too.

Well, my character is a cop, too, and I'm a VT. Do you have any flavour justification for being a cop? Richard and Alexis being neighbours is flavoured correctly.

just for the record... i know that when mala mods, she wants to make sure that the game can't be broken with char claims.

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I'm bit hesitant to follow Wisdom's plan, not because he's scum but because his plan relies on Nati actually being a cop.

But even fakecops have to generate real info eventually, so I guess his plan could work.

I don't know....

@Serra: Scum_serra derailing wagon for scum_nati makes perfect sense to me. Doesn't it to you?

this is one of the times... where people are probably going to say - scum do that too! <-- but seriously, i don't often see scum really trying to get a lynch off their partner to that extent. yes, it can happen. but it's less likely. so no... it doesn't make perfect sense.

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@mod

Bert is voting penguin too

let's ensure a town lynch guyz!

no, i still think she is scum.
was just reminded, reading the last page or so, that she was willing to hammer me... but as soon as i came out with a claim, it was a 180. i don't think claims should have that much bearing.

[Mantisdreamz]

too much polygamy talk

[Mantisdreamz]

Actually no.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: macmollie

let's not get silly

[Mantisdreamz]

Not lynching Mollie today wisdom.

Go back to penguin.

huntress looks 50 million times worse than penny.

I SUCK at reading penny I know this that is why she is unsure.

penny stayed up at night and in the thread to secure a lynch on fitz. if wis thinks this was scum motivated then why has he backpedaled on sera who was up for the lynch?

THIS IS WHAT IS NOT MAKING SENSE ALONG WITH A BUNCH OF SHIT HE HAS SAID.

no, i could definitely see scum checking into the thread, right before deadline to see what is happening
in fact, i can see scum doing that moreso than town.

[Mantisdreamz]

plz do!!!!

hey mantis now you get to cash in on your scumread on me!!!1!

I haven't done a crash and burn yet as town on this site but I am so there.

no. these last 2 pages have been pure silliness.

[Mantisdreamz]

The signs were there, but I ignored them because of my confidence that you are town.

- Your reluctance to support a penguin lynch, but having no problem switching to Huntress when given the chance.
- Your continuous paranoia of Mantis despite her being bleeding town at points.
- Your wanting to replace out when Mac got offended, when we've more or less figured the game out and it wouldn't hurt you to stay in the game - as scum however you'd want to do this, especially since your scumbuddies are mostly caught.

But in the end you went and did way more obvious things;
- Making a huge deal out of Bert not remembering a detail irrelevant to this game, and actually starting to doubt your read on him, all when you know exactly how Bert is.
- Lying about my meta and accusing me of bussing, like you're playing with me for the first time. I should be bleeding obvtown for you at this point, yet you get "paranoid" about me when I finally decide to give in and vote who my townreads are voting.
- And then overreacting to the accusations on you, just like caught scum does when they think everything goes right and suddenly everything turns around.

no

[Mantisdreamz]

@M&M: Wisdom is my strongest townread; that doesn't make him right.

What I'm alarmed at is your inconsistent play.

Please explain.

why the cold feet on lynching me.

discuss

yes, this is fed up town. ^

[Mantisdreamz]

k
UNVOTE: desp
^even though he's still scum

VOTE: huntress
^ which i think others can agree on????

[Mantisdreamz]

Vote: Mantis

^She killed Wisdom. I tracker her to it.

I also tracked Huntress to Mollie N1--I hammered her because the Mollie/Wisdom/Bert multi-page slapfight wasn't doing anyone any good, the day needed to end, and I probably wouldn't have believed her claim anyway.

this is a lie.
VOTE: desperado

[Mantisdreamz]

Cop, tracker, and bodyguard? Nati's claim is looking a bit off.

It's not MyLo, so desp shouldn't be lying.

VOTE: Mantis

trust me he is.

and the good news for me is, i no longer doubt nat's claim anymore due to #2486

[Mantisdreamz]

Mantis, please come in here and say your last words.

pedit: kthx

Vote: Mantis

you guys are idiots.

seriously though, i'll lay out reads later if you plan on lynching. i'll come up town neighbour - and then you can lynch desp.

[Mantisdreamz]

Well, I'm not sure desp would do this as scum. And if desp is telling the truth, Nati-town seems unlikely.

sucks, because i know he's lying 100%. which makes Nat's town to me.... unless they're pulling some gambit.

which could make sense. desp's scum partners will know that he's going to be lynched tomorrow after i flip. so they might distance from him today, so that they're not associated with his plan.

serra, does that above sentence make sense?

[Mantisdreamz]

Well, I'm not sure desp would do this as scum. And if desp is telling the truth, Nati-town seems unlikely.

sucks, because i know he's lying 100%. which makes Nat's town to me.... unless they're pulling some gambit.

which could make sense. desp's scum partners will know that he's going to be lynched tomorrow after i flip. so they might distance from him today, so that they're not associated with his plan.

serra, does that above sentence make sense?

actually, nevermind about the temporary nat paranoia. there is most likely some sort of investigation role, and it's not desp-tracker.

[Mantisdreamz]

I already explained why I hammered. Care you respond to that or are you just going to sling mud?

so bad.

[Mantisdreamz]

Also this claim does not pass the smell test

How doesn't it?

because you've been obvious scum all day yesterday!

[Mantisdreamz]

Mantis if u don't take me seriously

I will lynch u

Back down

Won't back down down

How did ur chat go

i'm still on last page

[Mantisdreamz]

Also I feel mollie quit and it's partly my fault

nah, it happens

[Mantisdreamz]

lol

caught scum are so amusing to watch

nati who's your 3rd team member? I bet he's a roleblocker based on what you just said.

you're just biased because you really want to be right about Nat

[Mantisdreamz]

Hey mantis

Hey

How did ur chat with wisdom go????

his first words were, you were right about mollie. i said nah. he said desp/penguin/mollie. and if those aren't correct, he said he could see either fakegod or serra being part of the scum team, but didn't think serra is scum with desp.

[Mantisdreamz]

Desp, Serra, FakeGod is the scum team.

I understand that a "not mafia" result does not imply town, but with the SK dead, I figure that this game probably doesn't have 5 anti-town roles. It could though.

@Serra: To get a lynch on someone who's death doesn't reveal any setup info! Killing me or Potato confirms my claim. Bert is too town, penguin is just a lurker. Waynegg...I'm not too sure.

Well, if mantis flips town, we lynch desp and know that we can trust nati. I seriously don't see how that would be a good scum tactic though.

No. We kill me or Desp today. Then you can choose to believe me or Desp. This whole idea suggests scum to me.

no, we kill me or Desp today. i have no night actions

[Mantisdreamz]

Also this claim does not pass the smell test

How doesn't it?

because you've been obvious scum all day yesterday!

this is partially amusing Desp.

[Mantisdreamz]

i'll put my reads out after work tonight.

i still don't know if i agree with Wisdom on fakegod or serra being scum. mollie/waynegg is town. desp & peng - scum. but not really sure on the 3rd.
will do some re-reading later.

[Mantisdreamz]

don't lynch just too soon though guys, cause we still need discussion

[Mantisdreamz]

Can we do a quick swap to mantis as today's lynch?

Fucking...I'm not letting a no lynch happen here. I'm not home yet(another hour will suffice), but I am watching the thread. VOTE: mantis. We have a little time still, come on guys.

I do have a problem with a Nati/Mantis team given this...

i have faith in you serra!

[Mantisdreamz]

Starting to doubt setra town now actually

[Mantisdreamz]

speaking of sounding fake serra...

VOTE: Mantis

I'm pretty sure this is the right lynch for today.

what, did you go through the obligatory motions of questioning desp, while knowing what conclusion you were going to come to anyway

[Mantisdreamz]

Nati, if desp is scum, do you think he came up with leaving you alive and claim a guilty?

I could see any of you, FakeGod, or Desp bringing that idea up.

scum in (desp, penguin), serra or fakegod then.
i really can't believe bert is scum. and no way mollie/waynegg is scum

[Mantisdreamz]

You CAN give neighbours any ability you want. Mantis claimed to be JUST a neighbour though.

i never claimed JUST
it was only just now that i said i have no night actions, after scum-desp came out with his as waynegg put it "gogogo lynch"

look

Serrapaladin makes good points. Plus mollie generally reads Mantisdreamz well, and I trust her read here.

Mantisdreamz, intent to hammer. Claim, please.

Sweet Pertayter, if you're around, what changed between #513 and #597 on WRT Mantis?

neighbour with wisdom. it's unknown whether he is town or scum. ( i am town)

[Mantisdreamz]

Wayne, trust me on this one.

If mantis does not flip scum, I give you my word that I'll lynch Desp tomorrow.

isn't that obvious? giving your word... why say that.

[Mantisdreamz]

Then stop sounding so fake, mantis! :/

@wayne: mantis claimed not to have a night-action. Stop being stupid.

That was a hypothetical. I even said hypothetical. That's to illustrate the Desp would have no clue what his target did, just who he targeted. Now don't twist my words or I might think you're trying to trick me.

Your hypothetical doesn't mean jack shit because Mantis had already claimed not to have an action, and the possibility of a 3rd visiting town role is low enough that it isn't worth consideration. For all intents and purposes, I know Mantis killed Wisdom.

this was the only time i admitted to not having an action Desp
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5291472

[Mantisdreamz]

My big deal with Desp's tracker claim is this

"The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed).
Trackers have been seen as each alignment.
This version of Tracker, and only this version of Tracker, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net."

He wouldn't know what night action Mantis took, only who he hypothetically targeted. Wisdom was such a turd, I'm sure he would have had all kinds of targeting N2. The way Desp came in with the go!go!go! Kind of tone reeks of scum. That's undeniable.

Impossible. Mantis had already claimed neighbor.

Desp knew that mantis cannot possibly visit anyone if Mantis was telling the truth about his role.

Therefore, Desp knew that he had a guilty coming into d3.

Reply?

There's nothing which precludes neighbor from having an addition role other than the fact that Mala told me this is a normal game. By your own statement, Mantis couldn't target anybody for anything and Wisdom did flip neighbor, ergo Mantis is also neighbor. Mantis could be scum, yes but if he's neighbor he probably doesn't get to input the kill. That would most likely be some other team scum member.

thank you.

[Mantisdreamz]

Nati, if desp is scum, do you think he came up with leaving you alive and claim a guilty?

I could see any of you, FakeGod, or Desp bringing that idea up.

scum in (desp, penguin), serra or fakegod then.
i really can't believe bert is scum. and no way mollie/waynegg is scum

actually, just remembered fakegod came in and outed Nat for what he thought was fake bread crumbs. doesn't seem like a scum move to take. he would just have quietly spoken that to his teammates.

honestly am thinking serra, along with Desp & penguin.
serra's 2617 was terrible

[Mantisdreamz]

also Desp, who do you say my partners are then? you're rolling with Nat as one. how about the other??

[Mantisdreamz]

Right, a position that you knew would never gain any traction. Until now anyway.

Then why didn't I lynch serra?

Fuck if I know?

Scum do inexplicable things all the time.

couldn't come up with a reason quick enough, eh?

[Mantisdreamz]

VOTE: Mantis

I'm pretty sure this is the right lynch for today.

again, terrible.

serra feels he did *just* the right amount of questioning for desp, and now feels it's safe to place his vote on me.

[Mantisdreamz]

For the record it was stated that this was not a bastard game and it has been reviewed for balance.

I do not mod bastard games.

Not bastard =/= normal

ffs

and then serra tries to shift attention here by focusing on waynegg questioning the mod

[Mantisdreamz]

Lynching mantis is the best lynch for town today, hands down. It gives so much information to the town.

Mantis flips scum = Desp is town, and Nati is almost conf scum.

Mantis flips town = Desp is scum, and Nati + Potato is almost conf town.

Wayne, I'm not saying you should believe Desp.

I'm just saying that lynching Mantis will give us the most information.

have you looked at Desp's ISO? that might help in indicating beyond logic who should be the lynch today.
note at the beginning, he randomly throws out town reads. the one that got me most was calling havingfitz town for this post
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5192817

then randomly states out of nowhere that Bert, Tater and I should be lynched. while in the meantime, he had not even had conversation with Tater or I.
i can produce more scum-desp stuff, but am running out of time soon

[Mantisdreamz]

desp was certainly not untouchable, in any way, shape or form

[Mantisdreamz]

also fakegod, stop wanting to be right about Nat. because it's clouding your view of obv-scum Desp

[Mantisdreamz]

bert - you should listen to your gut. not too mention, i think it would be awesome to see scum-Desp's plan fail !!

keep trying Desp
you have made no mention of Peng at all, before this.

[Mantisdreamz]

Good job, so one mention, and without reasons

[Mantisdreamz]

Also waynegg i never said we had day chat. why are u linking my unvote of serra?

[Mantisdreamz]

Wayne, can you explain again what exactly you're saying in 2723?

I have literally no idea what you're talking about. Like in any of your posts.

Sure

On Mantis

Mantis slipped that he and Wisdom talked in their QT. keep in mind this was D1.

The game was a day start game

FakeGod asked if they had day talk

Wisdom said they didn't

Since it was a day start game, and the neighbors don't have day talk, they couldn't have talked privately to each other at that point.

On Serra

Serra is the one who asked about the neighbors' QT that spurred the comments from Mantis

When FG asked Wisdom if the duo had day talk and Wisdom said they didn't, Serra should have been all over Mantis's previous comment and didn't

we had pre-game chat you dork

[Mantisdreamz]

Why is everyone saying that I'm in a tunnel?

cause you are. your pet theory, when you came into the thread, was that Nat was scum.

[Mantisdreamz]

For the record it was stated that this was not a bastard game and it has been reviewed for balance.

I do not mod bastard games.

Not bastard =/= normal

ffs

and then serra tries to shift attention here by focusing on waynegg questioning the mod

You're not even trying any more. Waynegg made a false statement about the setup which I corrected while implying he's a bit of a moron. No "attention shifting" here. Notice how I didn't invite discussion about the setup, but rather wanted to avoid it by clearing up the misconception.

untrue about not trying anymore. i'm just becoming extremely suspicious of you, at this point.
you said yourself - that you've had nat & i as town... and desp as scum. in fact, you've been making large efforts to not see either of us lynched.
if you are actually town, i don't think you're putting enough emphasis on your scum read of desp, that you've had for pretty much all the game. but instead, you saying this is the 'right lynch' (even though it goes against my gut.. is kinda lame. esp since you've had desp as scum almost the WHOLE TIME.
i know you know that scum fake claim ALL the time, right?

[Mantisdreamz]

I'll admit I haven't completely decided whom to believe, but unless you anyone knows with 100% certainty who is telling the truth, mantis is the better lynch. My reads so far have had Nati/mantis as town and desp as scum, so I really want to believe them. On the other hand Occam's razor doesn't like Nati's description above at all, as it requires a decent level of scheming by the scumteam. It also requires that the scumteam felt desp was a certain lynch for today, which I'm not sure is true.

Why do you think everyone is yelling at you?

And Mantis accused you of scum pretty much just because you voted her...

it was the fact that it seemed like he kinda gave up questioning desp to further figure him out. or at least, wait before putting a vote down.
not too mention - scum has to be somewhere.
and i've got you, tater, nat and waynegg as town.
so it only leaves a small group for me.

[Mantisdreamz]

@Waynegg: please shut up and read the game.

@Mantis: Not really

Wisdom hasn't commented much, if at all , about you recently. Plus he may have talked to u before d1?

Sorry phone access only for the rest of the night :/

we talked pre game.

also
VOTE: serra

We already knew the neighbours didn't have day talk, so kindly fuck off.

This is what caught scum looks like

How about you quote me that tidbit where Mantis said they had pregame talk, cause when I read the game WORD-FOR-WORD twice I must have missed it both times. Maybe you just thought he did because it was in you scum QT or something.

>I quote where she said she talked to Wis pre game.
>You quote that post and ask me where she said that.

Whiskey it is.

to be fair, you can't see that bolded sentence, if you're phone posting

[Mantisdreamz]

Positive analysis is the rational one, but lets not argue definitions.

Nati, I completely agree the hammer was awful, but do you really think it was bad enough for scum to think that doomed desp?

absolutely. plus the fact that everyone (well mostly wisdom who was the loudest (towniest as well) for desp's and penguin's heads.

[Mantisdreamz]

@wayne: that's fair.

@mantis: what sort of phone do you have? Mine does all formatting fine.

Basically, I do really want to trust my reads here, but when there's something more objective than my reads pointing the other way, I don't think I should hold on to my reads too much. I really think across all the games I've played town has been hurt a lot by people sticking to reads when they shouldn't.

it's a piece of crap replacement phone that i want to chuck in a bush, one of these days.
that's why i made this post:

Also waynegg i never said we had day chat. why are u linking my unvote of serra?

... i just saw the unvote of serra in the link, not the pregame sentence part.


2nd sentence - that's fair enough. just kind of annoying though.
i WILL go through desp's ISO again and point all him and his scummy ways all throughout the game, if you like.

[Mantisdreamz]

I usually agree with that sentiment, serra. And if you'd been the one to claim Tracker, I might have fell for it.

But, not Desp. No way in hell.

yes

[Mantisdreamz]

if serra is not scum though, could it be fakegod?

[Mantisdreamz]

desp, penguin and fakegod (who replaced thenewearth)
that would involve penguin vigorously trying to bus her teammate.

[Mantisdreamz]

if serra is not scum though, could it be fakegod?

That was my weaker choice, but since I missed the pregame talk thing I'm looking at stuff again. If that was directed at me.

it was directed at anyone really.
serra is looking better.. i think.

[Mantisdreamz]

bah

Who

who are you

whoops

[Mantisdreamz]

also the bah was aimed at Tater-Mara

[Mantisdreamz]

Just asking because it isn't exactly townie to give scum 3 freebies to get to LyLo with a full scum team. I realize I'm not your optimal choice for replacement but ya gotta work with what you've got. It's also kinda interesting scum didn't kill you, a Cop cleared town, when taken from the scum perspective of leave no confirmed town alive...

This also works the other way around, though. With desp-scum, killing tater just lends credence to Nati's claim. If we mislynch mantis, Nati goes tonight, desp is lynched tomorrow and scum kill tater, and we're in LyLo without conftown.

yep

[Mantisdreamz]

ya but you just said yourself that mislynching, and being left behind with no conf-town is pretty bad.

[Mantisdreamz]

what's GF?

[Mantisdreamz]

Scum
Desp
Mantis

oy vey

[Mantisdreamz]

you think we're gambitting waynegg?
i can see why tater voted you now

[Mantisdreamz]

and you were making sense

[Mantisdreamz]

and you were making sense

Don't worry, I will again.

then please stop this desp & i are scum together.
it's making me depressed with this game

did you get a hold of serra's whiskey as well?

[Mantisdreamz]

oh desp

[Mantisdreamz]

you silly scum

[Mantisdreamz]

It's true. Nat is saying Mara isn't reading because she has a different perspective. It's really scummy.

you realize i know you're scum right?

[Mantisdreamz]

waynegg , why PA as town?

[Mantisdreamz]

I'm glad someone finally asked

***penguin_alien*** ~ Claimed Jenny Shaw

Spoiler:

465 given Slimer's town flip, scum wouldn't take
this line of questioning. Solid town.
1141 owns thread so much with this post
1151 if I could make love to this post, I would

Whether you've played with P_A or not, if you analyze his posts based on the motivation behind them (working within himself and in a limited capacity with others to sort out scum vs. self preservation when facing heat and finger pointing) he's clearly town. This theme has continued throughout the game with him and it would take some really major development for me to consider touching this slot.

Then there's the high probability that Jenny Shaw wouldn't have been claimed right after Jordan Shaw if it were a fake claim because it would be too obvious.

nevermind about claims, waynegg
pa is a she, also i am a she

too much whiskey for you!

[Mantisdreamz]

nats, you sure you investigated omara as town?

[Mantisdreamz]

i was thinking that about peng's analysis too.
if she's town for that, i literally have only desp as scum

[Mantisdreamz]

maybe penguin/bert for last scum?

i can't see desp & thenewearth (fakegod) as being scum together. early game it really just looks like desp was whiteknight TNE.. not sticking up for his scum buddy

bert's been a little indecisive, (am talking about after desp's outing). almost seemed like he could be waiting to see which direction town was going to take, before saying much about it.

[Mantisdreamz]

why are we voting serra over penguin, when serra is town?

[Mantisdreamz]

VOTE: penguin

[Mantisdreamz]

VOTE: Mantisdreams with reasons

this is pure bullshit, waynegg.. i don't care what your reasons.


are you delving into paranoia mode again?

waynegg, can you please tell me right now why penguin is town to you?

[Mantisdreamz]

VOTE: penguin

Why?

because
>.>
everyone else seems more town
your vote on me is seriously BS, i can't get over that

[Mantisdreamz]

i mean, really??? you'd rather resort to paranoid musings about how desp and i... throughout the last day or 2, were scum bussing each other? than look elsewhere for scum?
doesn't make any sense to me.

[Mantisdreamz]

this is bothersome, because i still believe you are town.

[Mantisdreamz]

you suck waynegg!

[Mantisdreamz]

How is tater town again? Boy, do I not get your progressions... Didn't you think she was a GF?

serra.... why are you asking that, when you've clearly said that tater is conftown several times. how do you forget that? >.>

If Nats is town, tater should be treated as conftown.

Scrap that, if Nats is town, scum have a roleblocker, so tater IS conftown.

Except FG replaced TNE, and I remember thinking desp/tne wasn't possible with the amount of wking. I'll have to reread the both of them together.

I think peng-scum is a go. Desp's gambit makes more sense if he didn't have an easy deflection, which peng could have been.

wayne, what do you think about the tne/desp interaction?

Tater is conftown because there's no godfather. Scum wouldn't have a roleblocker AND a godfather.

[Mantisdreamz]

It's not enough for me to want Mantis lynched today, but I'm not shaking the suspicion there. Especially with the whole disingenuous, "PA is scum, why are people voting town-serra?" If you're town thinking I'm scum, make a case, let's talk.

pretty much the suspicion has carried forward from earlier in the thread, when you were suspecting wisdom. and made a few posts that casted suspicion on his character claim. Wisdom made mention as well, that as town, you'd likely change your mind about him, rather than continuing on with the suspicion.
also, i noticed that you and desp really didn't have a whole lot of interaction... except for right at the beginning, there was a bit of back and forth, and with myself thinking desp was scum, it looked like it was an attempt at distancing on both your parts.

however - serra's latest post where he asks why tater is conftown again, looks pretty bad to me. like saying something for the sake of saying something? i don't understand how he could forget that. very suspicious.

I will not vote Sweet Pertayter--no way are they a GF since, now that we know Nat was being truthful, the SK was apparently investigation-immune. With a likely three-man Mafia team, I don't see two of four scum being immune to the strongest town PR around. waynegg just screams town. I

think

only one of {serra, FakeGod} is scum. That leaves one of {Mantis, Bert} as scum. I don't want to lynch out of the latter set today anyways, and if one of the first set flipped scum, it could still be scum bussing.. Right now I'm leaning serra, but that somewhat depends on what FakeGod comes back with.

why do you not think that serra and fakegod could be scum together?

UNVOTE: penguin
..rethinking.

[Mantisdreamz]

also waynegg.... you suck!
just in case you didn't see that before : )

/out

I'm going to hydra with Mantisdreamz

ArtemisKitty

This.

Assuming caught scum Mantis here : )

hydra slip = scum?

oh waynegg, you are silly

[Mantisdreamz]

have to think

i know i don't want to lynch bert or waynegg today

[Mantisdreamz]

well pretty sure.

[Mantisdreamz]

this thread will probably be inactive for awhile :p

[Mantisdreamz]

VOTE: penguin

[Mantisdreamz]

Interesting. PoE or reasoning? A bit odd you'd wait for the claim, when I think she'd at least character claimed before. Were you expecting something different?

Just to have it all in one place, I'm Javier Esposito, VT. After bodyguard/cop I wouldn't really have expected more PR's. Although, that's not THAT much town power, so 2 scum + SK isn't out of the question (please be town, Bert! If you are I'm sorry I ever doubted you <3).

process of elimination, ya.

though i;m still kinda wary on you now.

there HAS to be 2 scum left.. bert is town.

i waiver on waynegg only a bit.

[Mantisdreamz]

serra.. who are your "im not lynching today" people ?

[Mantisdreamz]

actually, peng kinda seems like the right vote

[Mantisdreamz]

bert!!!!

[Mantisdreamz]

Mantis...

what? >.>

[Mantisdreamz]

Mantis, please unvote?

why?

[Mantisdreamz]

UNVOTE: peng

[Mantisdreamz]

Mantis...

what? >.>

um waynegg, can you please explain why penguin is town to you??

[Mantisdreamz]

you know what.. i don't trust waynegg.

[Mantisdreamz]

bert - yes
serra - only slightly hesitant.

waynegg - last post - bs

[Mantisdreamz]

bert, what do you think? is voting waynegg today completely out of the question?

[Mantisdreamz]

I have a headache but

need to think

Waynegg you had mantis as your top scumread before, I think...

And look who the two piling on to discredit me are all of a sudden after obv towning me the last2 days...

ya but you're being weird W-E

[Mantisdreamz]

WAYNEGG -->

Mantis...

what? >.>

um waynegg, can you please explain why penguin is town to you??

[Mantisdreamz]

WAYNEGG -->

Mantis...

what? >.>

um waynegg, can you please explain why penguin is town to you??

Yep and I was reading PyP Open 505. Won't vote penguin today as a result. So that leaves Bert, Serra, Mantis to choose from for me.

you have to know that;s really not a good reason, right?

we're talking about THIS current game

[Mantisdreamz]

this might be crazy, but i think im sticking with serra=town

[Mantisdreamz]

After all that you bite on to the fact that I didn't call your argument INVALID again when I just described why you're wrong.

I don't care that you're wrong, town is wrong a lot, what worries me is how SUDDENLY this new argument popped up.

Good god I really hope you're scum...

I was never fucking null on desp. I made a case on him D1 and had him/wis as the scumteam.

Aww, come on! Desp is a good wagon.

[Mantisdreamz]

i still don't trust you waynegg

[Mantisdreamz]

FUCK

[Mantisdreamz]

why did you tell me to unvote peng?!?!?!

[Mantisdreamz]

can't believe BERT..
the only indication was when he was waiting after Desp claimed....
other than that, you were pretty spot on

[Mantisdreamz]

i didn't think this day would end so quick

[Mantisdreamz]

fuck

[Mantisdreamz]

crazy though.. Bert, even if we lynched penguin today, i don't think i would have lynched you after that.......
penguin. nice job! you did have me fooled a couple of times! you played it so cool

[Mantisdreamz]

still mad...

[Mantisdreamz]

[Mantisdreamz]

also, good game. thanks mala : )

[Mantisdreamz]

crazy though.. Bert, even if we lynched penguin today, i don't think i would have lynched you after that.......
penguin. nice job! you did have me fooled a couple of times! you played it so cool

I think the plan was to NK you next anyways. Would you have voted waynegg or serra over Bert? You had me nailed pretty quickly in the neighbor QT!

(Mafia QT is linked in Mala's spreadsheet with the dead and neighbor QTs)

i dunno... i want to say now that i probably would not have lynched serra. probably waynegg over bert though. he played it off really well! so did you!!! you totally did not react to any suspicion! lol