Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

i don't really see the fascination in trolling when you've already won the game

it just seems mean-spirited

[zMuffinMan]

i just breached 200 apparently

[zMuffinMan]

congratulations, you're now spartan

[zMuffinMan]

why no action N2?

[zMuffinMan]

i feel bad now

[zMuffinMan]

GP / AA9 team wouldn't surprise me really and would make a lot of sense

[zMuffinMan]

I'm sorry mastin ill make sure that scumbag GP dies tomorrow.

the dead QT is probably busy raging at my stupidity right about now

[zMuffinMan]

nah

i don't trust you completely although i do think your posts since my accidental hammer have been townish

[zMuffinMan]

i lack confidence in my ability to read you

i think you're town but i get this nagging feeling that you've been playing me this game and you're actually scum :/

[zMuffinMan]

oh. i just assume nacho is the one posting everything you write

[zMuffinMan]

i didn't see it

[zMuffinMan]

i'm sorry

[zMuffinMan]

muffin i know you feel the same as me about arc - have you seen sabotage mafia yet?

i read the descriptions in the scummies noms, i haven't read the game yet but i get the general gist of it and it only reaffirms my suspicion that BRO was up to something with his play before he was lynched yesterday

[zMuffinMan]

have you ever played as town against him as scum

[zMuffinMan]

But 2127? It's different. I'm not sure he's aware of his shift in tone. Or maybe he is, because he can afford it now that I'm dead.

it wasn't so much you being dead as anyone who was going to pick up on the shift in tone being dead.

maybe ghostlin might have but i dunno, he wasn't exactly the towniest of players at the time so i didn't think i'd have issues arguing him down.

me being able to point this out is almost assuredly the REASON I'm dead

mm, not quite. i probably would have played D3 a bit differently if you were still alive, but we didn't kill you for that. nachogif seemed convinced you were a cop, and i didn't care who died at that point. i actually wanted to endgame you :>

He scumslipped in 2129. He said he doesn't know who the scum bussing is if AA9 is town, except he should know that it would have to be nacho/gif if I were bussed

nah that wasn't a slip, i was saying that if AA9 was town i wasn't sure whether anyone actually was bussing

[zMuffinMan]

this was fun. i'm a bit disappointed we didn't get to play out lylo since that would have been trolltastic but oh well

this game wasn't scum-sided, just a bit swingy. i know i didn't account for TNE's role being exactly what it was (and i don't think nachogif did either) and it was super fucking powerful if he'd used it right. so powerful that in conjunction with varsoon's role it seems almost broken :/ maybe i'm not looking at things correctly but if town hadn't forced so much power to claim D1 or TNE had chosen his target(s) better then this could have been an entirely different game

i didn't want to roll scum this game, but it turned out to be enjoyable anyway

[zMuffinMan]

to be really honest, I think that was so unexpected it was unfair.

mm, i'm not sure whether i would have picked up on it as town, but if you think about it, the existence of a multidoc (and if TNE had full-claimed, his role as well) should have pointed out to something going on at night with extra night kill(s)

I FUCKING HAD BOTH OF THEM

I COULD HAVE FUCKING WON FROM HERE

mm to be fair, i don't think you even realised that we were

both

bussing, but your VCA had me a bit worried there, which is why i injected the varsoon wagon into the mix (although this was kind of a mistake in hindsight and an obvious scumclaim if you thought about it deeply) and felt the need to do damage control with you before anything got out of hand

also, if i actually were town, i probably wouldn't have put much stock in VCA this game over reads. D2 VCA wouldn't have been that useful if some combination of {mac, GP, TNE} were actually scum considering how quick it went, and D1 the mafiaSSK wagon was... yeah. i don't think

anyone

predicted the scum team all piling onto that and one reason i wouldn't have minded leaving mastin alive is because he probably would have "realised" that nacho+me didn't make sense as a scum team :/

MYLO was when t was disabled, not LYLO.

bork told us it was disabled at lylo, not mylo

it's in the scum QT

we should have thought of TNE being something more, considering mastin setup speculation

we did, kinda. i had him as a ? because i thought either he or morph had extra powers. kinda went over this when we were discussing it.

but yeah TNE's role was super powerful if he had chosen different target(s)

anyway, gg

[zMuffinMan]

there was a lot of room for error, though

dayvig town - error
lynch watcher D1 - error
out so many PRs D1 - error
TNE chose wrong target - error
TNE didn't choose a target D3 - error
lynch claimed PR D1 - error
voting so quickly D3 - error

like, not all of these were controllable errors or even predictable errors (re: D3, but i think you guys were too hasty anyway), but they were all errors that added up in our favour

yeah we only needed two mislynches to win but that was because we got the multidoc N1 AND we chose to save poison for a later use, if not for that, we woulda needed 3 + dodge all important PRs + etc

there was a lot of room for error. we just lucked out in having town make a lot of errors

[zMuffinMan]

lynch watcher D1 - error
lynch claimed PR D1 - error

well i shouldn't have included this error twice, but i really am of the theory that lynching a claimed PR D1 is silly unless you have strong reason to believe they're lying or the alternatives suck

[zMuffinMan]

also it wasn't entirely wayne's fault that varsoon claimed

iirc you guys were also playing along with his "reaction test"

but that reminds me of another error that both wayne and varsoon made - early claiming

[zMuffinMan]

like 2 PRs claiming at L-3 made this game easy mode for us :/

[zMuffinMan]

i don't know what else would have counter-balanced the amount of power town had. it would have had to be an entirely different setup without the extra kill

[zMuffinMan]

this game wasn't scum-sided, just a bit swingy.

varsoon claims doc
tne neighborizes + jailkeeps him
watcher watches varsoon the next night, varsoon protects tne + someone else

like this was a possibility even with the extra kill so like... yeah

we didn't exactly have too much power

[zMuffinMan]

also TNE could just

DOC

varsoon, not JK him, which would essentially mean 3 protected players N1...

[zMuffinMan]

this setup as it is, with the extra kill entirely removed, seems balanced for me

nah

we were completely fucked without the extra kill if TNE had chosen his target(s) differently

like completely and utterly fucked

his role was so so so powerful in combination with varsoon's and wayne's

if he had played it differently we'd have

needed

the extra kill to even stance a vague chance of winning, and that would have been a long shot anyway

[zMuffinMan]

The remilia role was by far the best thing about the setup

i quite like the idea of the role (it's inventive and i woulda loved to have rolled that role this game), but still... wow at the synergy town had here, and even after the doc claim and watcher claim D1, TNE's role alone was powerful enough that he coulda screwed us over completely