Mini 1518: Death Note Mafia (GAME OVER!)

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vote Hopkirk

mastin, get an avatar.

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does this thread look... broken to anyone else btw? using sepia.

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Herself is scum too, sweet.

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mastin you lazy bum it takes 10 seconds to find an avatar:


apparently this is on a google image search for "mafia theory". idk.

[pedit] yep, Hop is scum. good call.

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SMP:

Vote: Mafia Theory

Mastin and F-16, let's get one thing straight; the four of us are dancing, immediately. We're town. Are you guys town? Because if you are we are going to drag the scum to their knees together.

Don't think you can hide either, because you can't. What's it gonna be?

- Des

Mastin and F-16, let's get one thing straight; the four of us are dancing, immediately. We're town. Are you guys town? Because if you are we are going to drag the scum to their knees together.

Don't think you can hide either, because you can't. What's it gonna be?
- Des

Yes. We are. Let's lynch some scum. (Short on time, so no elaboration.)

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Vote: Hopkirk

- Des

tl;dr Herself and Hoppy are scumz.

you probably already know that though

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- read her introductory post to MT, noting tone (sorry Desp, you're getting referred to as a 'her' now).
- read mastin's response. (also, MT is now mastin, regardless of head)
- notice Herself then immediately sheeps mastin.

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- read her introductory post to MT, noting tone (sorry Desp, you're getting referred to as a 'her' now).
- read mastin's response. (also, MT is now mastin, regardless of head)
- notice Herself then immediately sheeps mastin.

hm. I know why I voted hopkirk. I guess I don't particularly care about the reasoning since hopkirk is scum, but do you think as SCUM, she'd sheep onto a scumbuddy?

It also seems in this hypothesis you're assuming mastin to be town.

yes, she would. especially if she's intimidated by mastin.

and that would be correct.

and I'm ruining your p2 lynch, neener neener.

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Bonus fill in the blank for Inflatable:

The difference between your vote and ours is ________________.

A bigger, blacker -

wait, wrong game.

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define/explain "jumpy" and I'll answer.

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@ Inflatable: Looks to me like you wanted an RVS wagon and then cried wolf when you got your wish. By "jumpy" I meant "jittery" or "quick to jump to conclusions."

nope. Hopkirk's #13 was actually terrible. "I would have voted you but you hadn't confirmed yet" just reeks of artificialness/scumminess and the mention of lovers in #15 also set off alarms. #20's "why vote me, I have an avatar" also rubs me the wrong way.

that said, after rereading the exchange, I'm not sure if mastin is town and gauging reactions with his responses to Hop, or if he's scum trying to get away with claiming the former, and I could actually see valid reasons for voting mastin after this. Katsuki is doing the same thing, but seems to be aware of it given the tone of 43 ("you assume mastin to be town").

what's

your

reasoning for voting Hop anyway?

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fuzzy's post in #42 also rubs me the wrong way, leading with an on-the-fence comment into seemingly useless questioning.

read her introductory post to MT, noting tone

Why do you find this scummy?
~F-16

She's all "hey mastin-hydra you better be town or else" and votes you guys, then after mastin responded with a simple "yep we're town", it was dropped completely in favor of mastin's wagon.

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y'know, usually I can at least see why people find me scummy (and usually dismiss it as them being bad), but I'm actually confused this time. bravo.

lemme know when you're done reaction-gauging.

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Not gonna hammer, Om?

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Inflatable pie was desperate to hammer me before I claim -scummy.

Funny thing is, you weren't at L-1.

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I don't necessarily think Hopkirk is scum, but it seems... odd.

I would like a partial claim from Mafia Theory, actually. I'm wondering if anything happens to him if Hopkirk dies, or if it's only a one-way effect.

Anyway. I want to lynch the claimed third party player, partially on policy, partially on the fact that all of his posts have had anti-town vibes so I doubt it's a 'pro-town' third party, if that exists. Anyone else up for that?

unvote
vote Fuzzy

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Mastin, please start explaining yourself. It's incredibly frustrating to deal with. I already had to put up with that bullshit from Fate and co. in Shadows & Light, if you recall.

If you're not going to explain yourself w/r/t me, at leats humor me with answers to questions I'm sure others have as well. For example, how is fuzzy's attitude protown-third party?

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And why on earth would town want a third party player to live anyway? Are there any good examples of protown third party roles?

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I unvoted you when you were at L-2 and then fuzzy voted you. Of course I knew it wasn't L-1. Om seemed to think so, though. So I thought I'd ask, maybe try and bait someone else into fake hammering and see what info I could get from that.

I was on the wagon because I thought you could be scum. Wasn't a huge scumread, but I could see it being possible. If you did not flip scum, I could gather info based off who voted you terribly (e.g. fuzzy), for example. Or if you did flip scum, I could go on to determine if Om's lack of hammering meant he was your buddy, or if mastin's pushing for your lynch sans reasoning meant it was bussing. And admittedly, partially because I have a heavy gameload between onsite and offsite and I honestly wouldn't mind a bit of a break from one of them, so a page ~4 lynch would have been fine. That one's kinda my own fault, duh.

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Why not ask Katsuki why he thought it was L-1? (79)

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hey, just so you know,

none

of the four heads from either of these hydras are good enough at mafia to be acting so fucking cocky.

lol scumclaim!

you wanna give some reasoning or are you just going to coast by like mastin and hope no one else notices?

InflatablePie, you haven't answered my question in 71 about why you find Herself scummy.

When you or mastin starts acknowledging me and drops this annoying as shit playstyle, I'll respond to you. I'm done dealing with the condescension coming from this side of the hydra.

although, hey, mastin. you wanna do me a favor and post your actual thoughts on me in your hydra QT somewhere? if you think I'm scum, fine. if you think I'm town but just trying to get reactions from me, write that down too. because I want to see that post when this game is over, and if you actually think I'm scum, I will take so much pride in rubbing in your face that you completely fail at reading me. why is it your main account is mastin2 again?

anyway. F-16, since I don't believe I've had a problem with

your

contributions to the hydra, if you would like to answer the question I asked in 108 and 109, I'd be happy to elaborate.

But Pie is going for the third party instead of mafia, which is odd since there is a lot of other stuff already going on. Why are you trying to get an easy compromise lynch, Pie?

Compromise lynch implies I didn't get what I wanted so I'm settling for this one. After Hop's claim, and even after re-reading the exchanges between him and mastin, I'm less inclined to believe he's scum, although tbh I'm not completely sure. Regardless, there's someone that claimed third party and I want them dead, because I cannot think of a third party role that would be beneficial to keep alive. I'm appalled that no one else wants to even consider this.

I am also keenly suspicious of Herself glomming so quickly onto the Mastin sheep. I think Mastin likes to be sheeped and Herself set himself (since its the he head of Herself that's been doing the speaking) up for it right from the beginning.

I said something similar in 41

I think Mastin knows that if he and F-16 are scum they are fucked. Their responses were good, so I helped them push their RVS wagon.

The response of "yes we're town" is a good response? The fuck?

And hey, why vote burn_209 over JasonWazza or Orestes? How did you choose burn? Pick a guy at random?


I'm liking what Katsuki's doing, even if I don't think he's right. I don't see scum trying to push a lynch on a claimed one-way lover so blatantly.

IP- well you could lynch me but than again this would be a poor move. For one things policy lynching are usual not a good thing. Second you give the scum opportunity to kill off a townie at night which dwindle your numbers

god, this is the worst fucking post.

I still think either Herself or Kat are scum. I don't really see how beneficial an role can be if it activates only if someone is lynched D1 in under 1 real life day. Pie isn't really helping his case along the way either.

With all these people calling me scum, I'm surprised no one wants to vote me. What's everyone afraid of?

Hell yeah I am. A lot of shit happened in the first three pages. Anyone who ignored it absolutely shoots up my suspicion list.

did he post at all? I don't remember him posting at all. It's kind of hard to ignore things when you probably haven't even read the thread yet.

I am really tired of the shit coming from these hydras. Something's up between them, and I highly doubt it's town v town. I can't fucking read mastin, even though we've played recently. I remember him and AP being a hydra in Shadow & Light and vaguely recall them trying to 'break' the setup and getting caught by overexplaining, so this could be him trying to avoid that this game? I don't know, even that doesn't sound right to me for some reason. And I think I've played with F16 once but don't remember the game.

meanwhile, Herself is giving off scumvibes I'm willing to jump on. especially if for WHATEVER reason, no one wants to lynch the goddamn third party. see, OGML,

this

is a compromise wagon.

unvote
Vote Herself

If MT is town, the "lol u scum" w/o reasoning bullshit coming from the mastin head needs to fucking stop.

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...

oh. my. god.

@mod: 24-48 hour V/LA

, I need to step away from this game for a while.

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*deep breath*

... okay. I'm back. Catching up after I get something to eat and possibly watching an episode of Sherlock. Posting tonight definitely.

Un-game-related, if you guys like Death Note, watch Sherlock. It's on Netflix. It's Sherlock Holmes set in modern-day Britain and he bears a striking resemblance to L. There's only six episodes but they're all 90 minutes. I'm halfway through. It's great. :fluffposting:

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IP- explain whats so good about what Kat is doing

he's pushing for Hop's lynch postclaim. scum wouldn't stick their neck out like that.

I think he is just having a game meltdown

@ pie boy

(when you can grace us with your presence again) you voted fuzzy at a time when it would have been more conducive to continue to scumhunt, its early in the game we have time. third parties are like crack to scum, they have this weird idea that it somehow makes them seem townier when pushing for their lynch. then you do the typical outburst of "fuzzy should be lynched how is no1 seeing this" only to settle on a slot who is NOT a compromise lynch. your rapid changes of heart do not come from a townie mindset cos you are not trying to figure things out you are only trying to secure a lynch who seemingly is not scum.

He hasn't been playing like a townie third party, it's more of a self-preservation attitude. Which leads me to believe the outlook is not good for him being useful to the town. Is wanting him lynched something scum could push for? Maybe. Does it mean this is a bad idea or that I'm in the wrong? No.

@Herself, I'll repost since you're ignoring my questions:

The response of "yes we're town" is a good response? The fuck?

And hey, why vote burn_209 over JasonWazza or Orestes? How did you choose burn? Pick a guy at random?

You dodged these questions. You also did not give reasoning for why you think I'm scum. I'd like you to do that.

HOPKIRK SHOULDN'T BE BEING TOWN READ FOR HIS CLAIM IF YOU HAVE EVER EVER EVER EVER WATCHED DEATHNOTE.

Naomi doesn't commit suicide BECAUSE Ray Penber dies, she commits suicide because LIGHT MAKES HER.

And L even says when she comes up shortly after that she'd be the type to seek revenge not to commit suicide.

This is true and I honestly didn't notice this. Still, I don't think Hop is scum. Just a gut feeling off of the claim. It shouldn't make sense, but it does. I have a hard time thinking that a role like this could be given to scum (where they know a townie's rolename), but I suppose it could be something like a 2-person neighborhood? I don't know.

I dont like how Inflatable has been throwing around fingers at people over little shit left and right. Its like he is flinging crap everywhere hoping one with stick and when it does oh boy is he going to drill it home. Also he was all hell bent on hopkirk but once the town started to go in a different direction....there went IP along with everyone else. He didnt ask for more info about the Hop roleclaim he just accepted it and moved on like everyone else. When you think someone is scum as much as he though Hop was you dont just completely change your stance on them like that. You want them to prove you wrong.

Then he goes and says that he wants to policy lynch Fuzzy. Im one of those people that think policy lynches are from either lazy town or scum. With IP after the amount of time he put into Hop he sure doesnt seem like he is lazy. When I vote for someone I want to hit Scum.....not some bullshit Policy lynch because your job as town is to lynch the bad guys, not lynch a person because of policy. Once people start moving away from what IP originally wanted, which was hop, he switches over to the person whom it would be easiest to get the town to lynch and that is the third party guy in Fuzzy. Again it reeks of scum

Throwing shit around? It's called scumhunting.

'once the town started to go in a different direction' - ... you mean once Hopkirk claimed something I'm not comfortable lynching? when you assume I'm anti-town and put a spin on things, yeah, it sounds scummy. And I did ask for more info. I asked for info from mastin, who refused to provide it. What other info is there to ask Hop about?

'when you think someone is scum as much as he thought hop was' - are you confusing me with Kats? I explained the posts in which I

did

push Hop (only one I can think of is asking if Om would "hammer"), I think I called him scum nonchalantly a few times but that's it. I explained why I wouldn't have minded his lynch, too. Why are you speaking for me?

I'm lazy town. Was in a lot of games at this time. Said this already. Also, I have explained why I think fuzzy is anti-town-3rd-party. I'm not wanting to lynch him as a PLAYER because of policy, but his ROLE because of policy. Difference.

Congrats, I have my eye on you now. Call it OMGUS. Don't care.

unvote kat

Ok make sense


I can guarantee Im a third party.... and since my wincon requires certain thing(s) I play the way I think i can succeed ie win.

Okay, how about this.

You tell us your win condition, or we auto-lynch you because you could have a kill.

Thank god.


aww yeah kuribo. don't think I've seen any of your games. this should be fun.


MT's #200 "I can't answer for Mastin" reminds me very heavily of... lemme get the game. There Will Be Bloodshed, where my hydra partner and I had dissonance to the point of where we had to post as each other in order to say something while keeping each head's reads separate. mastin was in that game (note: I forgot he bet his account that Pine was town, not Pie. sorry for the jab back in my ragewall.)

I'm not reading that game btw but I'll take your word for it.

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Yes it was. Mastin's response + his "Yo Desp, found one" were both exactly what I expected

I... question your judgement, then, if you were so concerned with mastin-hydra being town and two sentences made everything fine.

I'm becoming very wary of hydras not being able to answer questions depending on the 'speaking head', as I mentioned earlier. If I ask a hydra a question, provided I don't specify one player, I would like some answer from either head. I'm not a fan of this "I'm gonna wait until the other head can answer" because it's an easy way for scum hydras to postpone answers, and... something something hydra dissonance. At least F-16 said "I'm gonna wait for mastin, but here are my thoughts too".

Mollie, I want your specific opinion of why you had a townread on mastin hydra based on his "yes we're town" response, or what your interpretation of that post meant (if you did not share that townread with Desp).

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Not really.

Can you give me a read on mastin only based on post 11?

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F16 head of MT, what's your read on me?

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unvote
vote fuzzy

I like you, kuribo. I'll help ya out.

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OGML, go frak yourself.

and obviously,

vote fuzzy

skimmed, fully catching up now.

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so fuzzy, since you're kinda new, a tip: some players here yell. a lot. kuribo isn't Fate levels of rage, but that style is common among some of the site's players. you have to get used to it and look past the yelling.

fuzzy, one thing I hate is people that cry to the mod when the heat's on

agreed.

I still think Katsuki is scum. Everyone is just giving him the excuse to basically take refuge in audacity by continuing to pursue Hopkirk, by saying "how could he do that as scum?" or something like that. Once that is publicly aired, how could he not do that as scum?

Kats wouldn't push this hard on Hop if he was scum. WIFOM, meet Occam's Razor. Do I have to mention the Razor every game?

I don't like how fuzzy is just dismissing kuribo's demand to claim his win con by calling him a bully, but there is merit in the demand. Fuzzy, if your win condition is at least something that can win in a way congruous with a town win, it should not be hard at all to claim it. I do believe in DGB's motto.

I'm not liking how when I vote fuzzy, I'm scum wanting to get an easy lynch. But when Kuribo pushes it? Fuzzy better claim his wincon! Not just directed at you, just the general attitude in this game makes me uneasy.

That said your whole post here is giving me scumvibes. Not liking the wording/tone here, seems artificial.

Because I have played with Katsuki multiple times and I have seen her/his (idek gender)

Guy pretending to be a girl pretending to be a guy pretending to be a girl. I think.

Also, kuribo, we should keep an eye on OGML, yes?

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oh wait I voted fuzzy last night before I went to bed. derp.

someone fucking hammer.

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@mod

: V/LA from 11/27 until 11/30.

GF is visiting family, I'm tagging along since I have the next three days off, dunno what my internet situation will be.

Not that it'll matter if we can lynch fuzzy tomorrow night.

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so are we thinking two or three scum with a survivor? don't think I've played with one in a mini.

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vote: Herself

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Kuribo case is mastin being dumb and paranoid.

I want one of the hydrae lynched today.

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I can't tell if Herself's Appeal to Fuzzy is her trying to look townie or if scum-Herself would know better than to say that as scum in that situation and thus she's town.

Meh

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Kuribo case is mastin being dumb and paranoid.

I want one of the hydrae lynched today.

this is the third time that you want specifically something other than scum lynched.

?

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Of the hydrae, which is scum?

I think both

can

be scum since neither of their play is exactly stellar... Herself is more likely, I'd say. I can't read mastin for shit and can't tell if he's bad-town or just scum; don't really wanna bother trying to read him tbh so if someone else could that'd be great.

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p.s. - lining up a lynch be damned, I want mastin's head on a spike if Herself flips town.

actually, I could also see wanting him dead if she flips scum.

...

y'know, I think mastin might be scum after all.

[p-edit] was it?

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well then.

yeah, if herself flips scum I want MT/mastin's head on a spike.

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sec.

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yeah, so, that was only five votes, like I thought.

someone who's better than me at mafia wanna sort out Herself/kuribo/others' reactions? thx.

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fuck it, Pie

why did you reveal it before Mastin reacted? Now I don't know if it was an intentional gambit or not

it was obviously intentional, the question is if he's more likely town or scum for the gambit.

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oh, shit, MT is Penber.

forgot that.

... hmm.

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vote: Mafia Theory

I want a fullclaim.

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InflatablePie: What about Herself's tone (as you say in 41) is scummy? Why do assume that Desperado is intimidated by Mastin? Have you seen evidence of this in the past? Also,

In post 137, InflatablePie wrote:The response of "yes we're town" is a good response? The fuck?

What do you believe would have been a good response? Also, considering I made an effort to answer your questions, I'd like you to answer mine.

In post 216, InflatablePie wrote:F16 head of MT, what's your read on me?

Still trying to figure it out. I disagree with a lot of your posting but I am not sure whether it is merely a difference of opinion or if it is because you are scum. I am curious though - why are you only asking me for my read on you as opposed to my reads on all the players?

- the tone of Herself's post seems serious, then they immediately sheep you. there's no reason/basis for Desp as a player to be intimidated by mastin as a player (haven't played with Desp/mollie before iirc), but in this context, I could see a player sheeping a well-known user onto their scumbuddy for townpoints. that was my thought process at the time.

- I don't know? If I was the one that asked you "are you guys town" I would expect more of a reaction/response than "yes".

- because I wanted to know if your read and mastin's read differed, as mastin has been calling me scum often this game but I haven't heard from you. I do not care about your reads on other players at this time (no offense).

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@kuribo: reading me as white noise is fair. as for how to solve this, go read my big ragewall I guess and start from there. I dunno, I admit I've been mostly useless/apathetic about this game. I keep going back and forth on the players I think are scum, and I'm just getting bored of the game at this point. It feels like it's just been a really long D1.

@hopkirk: can you please stop being bad and just sheeping mastin. seriously. I know I'm not putting any effort in but that's no excuse for either of us.

tempted to claim if it'll get some relevant discussion going.

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like, after people started calling me scum and I raged and stepped away from the game a bit, I've just been mostly useless. bleh. sorry.

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in short please dont make me pee on you just to get you to contribute

hey, you reminded me I have a contribution. I think MT might have slipped.

wanna guess where?

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hmm.

actually, I went to go find the post and noticed something that makes it seem like a stretch.

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basically:

- mastin thinks Hop 'crumbed his role on page 1 (source: 91/ISO 15) when he hinted at them being potential lovers.
- mastin is Ray Penber and has played in a similar DN mafia game before, where he was Ray.
- mastin, as Ray Penber, after reading a comment hinting at lovers, proceeds to strongly push Hop, incredibly sure that he is scum.
- Hop claims Naomi.
- Hop is a lover with mastin, but does not die if mastin is lynched; claims

mastin does not know this

.
- mastin then says the F16 head thought Hop was town, and posted that he caught the crumb on page 1.

add this to the fact that scum could have gotten a two-for-one last night (don't care about potential kill WIFOM tbh) and I'm thinking mastin's scum.

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do you think that town mastina would have post lynch posted the way he did on d1? cos I am thinking no

? examples?

@Kats: w/r/t Herself+MT+Hop scumteam. I'm guessing Hop and MT aren't scum together. Hop has pretty much wriggled out of the spotlight lately, so I can see why people would consider him scummy. I dunno, I can't see both of them being scum.

Herself has been giving me more townie vibes as of late, but I think they're more likely scum with Hop than scum with MT if anything. The post I quoted above is an example; I don't think they'd be defending mastin so obviously here.

tl;dr, I think MT is scum which makes Hop more likely to be town. If Hop is scum, it's with Herself, not MT. That said, I can still see Herself being scum, but also not with MT.

I missed Thad's post actually, glad he kinda caught on to what I caught on to when I asked mastin for a fullclaim (tiredposting is bad; I forgot I posted that...). Don't think his post is scummy, it's not as IIoA as Herself is implying.

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How is it more likely he's town? Explain.

Also, that's not what I'm saying and you know it. Stop frakking tunneling. I'm saying, MT has a partial townread on you D1, yet mastin ignored this and STILL pushed you heavily as scum, even though you breadcrumbed being lovers with him (which he noticed) AND despite rolling Ray Penber in another similar DN game, and then once you claimed he insta-switched to defending you and claiming "well half of the hydra had a townread on him, and he's telling the truth: look, he breadcrumbed in that post on page 1".

And since you're new, I'll ask you this: what is the scum motivation for my actions? Go into as much detail as you can.

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oh yeah

you're scum

if you're town, you're bad.

do you ever want to give any sort of reasoning for your votes or what?

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since I'm at L-3 and the game's running stagnant I'll at least nameclaim Soichiro Yagami. I can see some of the lurkier people laying a vote or two on in the near future anyway. knowing this town so far, I'm going to be run up by newbs/lurkers to L-1 because I nameclaimed at L-3 and the scum are just gonna coast by and let it happen. oh well.

speaking of, if Om's gonna be out of the game for over a week he should be force replaced, just sayin'.

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I miss uber goober

still no reasoning for your reads? ok.

if I actually get lynched today, for the love of god,

someone

keep an eye on this slot.

See above. I saw the potential 'crumb (a 'crumb I only recognized BECAUSE we're Ray and therefore, BECAUSE we have a canonical lover), but wasn't sure it was a 'crumb 'til Hop actually roleclaimed, at which point I knew it was one. I'm not going to drop a scumread on someone I think is scum just because they're MAYBE softclaiming a role that'd be town. Softclaiming, maybe. Maybe-claiming, maybe. But maybe-softclaiming? No

so you have been in another similar game, gotten the same rolename, and didn't immediately pick up on the crumb? not only that, but you still pushed him as scum? bull-frakking-... honestly, if you would have claimed "well I couldn't do a 180 at the time because the lovers thing would be obvious later" I'd buy it. but no. especially since it was page frakking one, don't try and say you caught scum there.

This is the type of claim I can see being real, but somehow don't actually see as BEING real. Especially since it'd make the perfect fakeclaim for a scum character with Shinigami Eyes. (Soichiro acquiring them shortly before his demise.) You know the two, the justice guy near the end and Light's girlfriend whose name slips my mind at the moment.

a) Mikami and Misa?
b) was it ever said that the scum have shinigami eyes and flavor fakeclaims? the first thing I would assume is that scum/town are randomized. this is a shitty post.
c)

@everyone

: please note that mastin is not voting me. carry on.

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and

now

you decide to vote me, with shit reasoning to boot.

ryuk being a survivor doesn't make sense actually, minus just the fact he was a third party. Serial Killer would have been more appropriate. anyway, you also ignore the other part of that point: the shinigami eyes part. Light, for example, could be a scum role in this game yet does not gain the eyes in the anime. your out-of-nowhere flavor reasoning to try and justify me as scum is hilarious and also bad.

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Alright, you wanna play, mastin? Soichiro Yagami, one-shot bulletproof.

vote: InflatablePie

If someone hammers me, they get quicklynched tomorrow, no questions asked. This town wants to be dumb? Fine by me.

You gonna call this a gambit? Say I'm trying to give my scumbuddies towncred so you don't have to change your read on me? Because if I'm not the lynch today, you are. I'm tired of this bullshit.

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C'mon, mastin. I

want

to see you flail, to try and justify your read at this point.

The key to figuring out someone is scum is finding their motivation. What's my motivation here as scum?

You too, Herself, because after MT goes down, you're next in line. Why am I scum here? Am I still scum here for L-1ing myself? What's it gonna be?

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And hey, entertain me. What if someone hammers me here? What happens when I flip town, Herself+MT? Who do you lynch then?

Is it gonna be kuribo and kats for defending me? Herself, you gonna try going after a lurker again?

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And none of this "oh shit he's town" nonsense from any of you frakkers on my wagon. I want explanations. Now.

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Look at who's not voting me, mastin. You think two of them would jump on my wagon before lynching you? One, maybe, SMP was being dumb earlier, but not two.

Now I'm giving one of them a chance to claim scum though.

Your logic responding to posts like 572 and regarding Light make me hope you're not town because if you were those responses would be infuriating. Glad to know you're scum who really wants their buddy to hammer though.

You also failed to answer what you'll do when I flip town. You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything.

No one let mastin off the hook if I die.

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Liking ThAd's post. As a note to the kill WIFOM, I will add that he called Hop scum more than Herself, and the kill could have been an attempt to frame him as well. I'm also still curious as to why they didn't shoot MT.

Hop needs to stop joining wagons that will never result in a lynch. On that note,

unvote

@Hop: why are you refusing to consider MT/Herself scum?

I want MT's claim tomorrow, as he promised. For now... I guess lynching the claimed VT isn't that bad.

vote: Herself

@MT: if my claim could be a potential fakeclaim for a shinigami eyes scum-member (which I still don't think is confirmed btw), wouldn't Herself's Sayu claim be perfect for Light? A Yagami that doesn't have the eyes?

and to MT and whoever else questioned the flavor of Chief being a one-shot BP, I'm guessing either because he survived a heart attack early but then died from Mello's gang. Or I think he might have gotten shot when they were hunting down the corporation guy that had Rem's note around episode 22ish? (can't remember the name), idk.

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Then why jump ship on my wagon and vote kuribo, a lynch which is never going to get off the ground?

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Hmm... Wait, hey Thad, why would Herself-scum claim vt if they knew they weren't hammered?

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OGML is possibly town, I do disagree with most of his infrequent posting though

SMP needs to post more but I'm leaning scum due to his early poking about without committing to votes.

Hop's play is fucking killing me but I really doubt he's scum

with

MT. However, that

would

explain why MT didn't die last night.

agreed with Katsread.

I'd vote for a forcereplace for Om. I know shit happens but when you're V/LA for a week+ it's pretty much a death sentence to that slot.

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Om, SMP, ThAd, me, Hop, Katsuki.. yeah, that

was

a hammer.

I thought the prod threshold was 48 hours btw, mod needs to step it up. =/

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like if Om and SMP both end up being town I partially blame the mod.

honestly I was kind of doubting Herself-scum after I thought of the reasoning for claiming VT there but meh, nothing I can do now. on the bright side, a VT lynch is better than outing another role today?

kuribo: thoughts on ThAd being mastin's scumpartner?

pedit:

sitting around doing nothing+refusing to give any justification for anything is town so why should i try and be helpful?

quit being a whiny little biscuit and play the frakking game

I understand being lazy, shoot, I've been lazy this game and it's probably helped frak the town over but 40% of your posts seem to be complaining about "boo hoo

mastin not giving reasoning? I yelled at him and still explained myself. herself not giving reasoning? yelled at her too. I didn't just sit back and do less work to deliberately frak over the town because other people were doing it (I was being lazy because... lazy).


speaking of which, mollie (+desp?), I understand your frustration with being lynched, but there were a lot of posts where you just coasted by. remember telling me "lol scumclaim" and "yeah, you're scum" while ignoring any questions I asked of you concerning your reads? guess what, posting like that doesn't exactly help the town either. even if you seriously thought I was scum and didn't want to explain yourself, guess what. you were wrong and it was shit like that that made me want to vote you. accept some of the responsibility at least. (all this said, no bad blood regardless of alignments. and y'all can revenge-policy-lynch me at The Reckoning's f2f games if we're both town here.)

not seeing thad scum but I'll give him a read-over and analysis tomorrow after you flip. least I could do.

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*complaining about "boo hoo these players aren't giving reasons why should I"

I got distracted and went to write another part of the post

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oh, please do, because if he's scum we're just fucked.

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oh, please do, because if he's scum we're just fucked.

why

because I'm really not reading him as scum and no one else seems to be. but I guess I haven't taken that indepth look at him yet.

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waiting to see mastin's flailtacular response.

you shoulda waited, kuribo, for mastin to claim like he said he would.

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vote: mafia theory

btw.

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kuribo, did you just get alignment or anything else also?

so where have

you

been?

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Mmyep.

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I

really

want to lynch kuribo but we

do

have a ML. plus since there was a traitor I don't see why kuribo would fakeclaim a guilty there... unless scum knew of the traitor and thought it was mastin? idk.

hrm.

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There isn't a redirector, otherwise they would keep redirecting to guilties to line up MLs better. Also don't know why they'd redirect onto themselves, too risky.

So there's a framer, or kuribo is scum who gambited with one known partner to get mastin lynched (thought he was traitor; town cred? Maybe role cop?). If there's a framer, what's the interaction with tracker? And there is a 3 shot cop and two shot tracker? Plus BP, traitor, lover, neighbors?

Hop and kuribo are looking worse by setup analysis, SMP is scummy, TSO is prob town because neighboring scum (he claimed Jason neighbor right?) and a traitor seems unbalanced. OGML is lurky but might be town. Kats town by PoE.

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Hop might be town due to needing to know mastin's role name which makes kuribo look worse...

Or he could be scum, interesting interaction with tracker in that case. Maybe unbalanced though.

Hmm.

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Wait. Hop is more likely scum. Will explain when home. Don't quick lynch kuribo pls

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The Hopkira Case

Point 1 - JasonWazza

Jason made 8 posts. One saying he was catching up, one saying 'post incoming soonish', two posts directed at fuzzy, and one about Herself being scum. The other three posts are calling Hop scum, the major one being:

I haven't read the whole game so far, but i will say this

HOPKIRK SHOULDN'T BE BEING TOWN READ FOR HIS CLAIM IF YOU HAVE EVER EVER EVER EVER WATCHED DEATHNOTE.

Naomi doesn't commit suicide BECAUSE Ray Penber dies, she commits suicide because LIGHT MAKES HER.

And L even says when she comes up shortly after that she'd be the type to seek revenge not to commit suicide.

This is a good point that I disregarded earlier given the odds of scum+town lovers.

And then N1 Jason died. Okay, it could have been PR hunting or something, right?

Point 2 - ThAdmiral

ThAd believes Hop's claim, and calls kuribo scum. He also made this post:

I know the meta right now is "don't pay any attention to nk's" but that is why scum pretty much ALWAYS kill someone who is on to them. Since jason said basically nothing else day 1 to indicate town pr/played strong enough to be seen as a strong town read this is pretty much the only clue as to why he might have been killed. Scumpoints to herself and hopkirk.

... which, you'd think would incriminate kuribo. It can go either way, really. I'm leaning towards Hopkirk, due to ThAd having a townread but yet pointing out the fact Jason died. Despite not many people analyzing townreads, scum usually don't kill

everyone

that suspects them. Besides, at this time, most of us still thought Hop was town.

Meanwhile, Herself's dying words were basically 'whatever you do, lynch ThAd'. Prime mislynch target, right? ... Nope, he died instead. Interesting, two nights without mastin dying and the players that died either questioned the Hop claim or were aware of the oddness of the N1 kill.

Point 3 - The Claim and Mastin Theory

Let's look at the claim again, piece-by-piece (paraphrasing, not quoting, because the site is breaking):

Naomi Misora, Town Reflexive Lover
If MT dies, except by lynching, I die as well.
MT does not know this.
There is some event that makes me not his lover that I am not aware of.

So basically, a one-way lover for NKs only. So if MT/mastin dies at night, Hopkirk dies as well.

Here comes the stuff that I should have recognized day fucking one. I'm sorry Herself and mastin and everyone in the dead QT; I'm bad for not noticing this sooner.

First off, why did Hopkirk claim one-way town lover? Had I been in his situation, I wouldn't have claimed. I would have taken the lynch and saved my (presumably) town partner. I understand it was Day One, but we now know there's no SK/vig and mastin was most likely town. Why not claim two-way lovers and try and bait the NK himself? Claiming one-way lover just ensures scum kill your partner... but most importantly...

Why didn't mastin die?

Mastin was left alive for a reason.

Even if people thought he was scum, scum could just kill him and get an extra townie dead. If the kill failed, well, they know there's a doc. It's possible the scumteam thought mastin was the traitor. Remember, there's only two scum since we have a traitor and survivor flipped. So they left mastin alive to frame him? Why not just kill him and get the two-for-one? Even if kuribo is the scum here and gambited with only one known partner, they could have just killed him N1 and saved the trouble. It's by far the smarter play.

Because they couldn't kill Mastin.

Hopkirk would die if they killed mastin.

Since apparently flavor

is

relevant this game, my theory is that Hopkirk is Light. He's lovers with Ray (

*waves flaming torch at fangirls, hissing*

), which makes sense flavor-wise because if Light just up and kills Ray immediately, he's 'dead' as well. We also have two investigative roles without a protection role: making a scum lover to a Tracker is like having a pseudo-doc. And if the scum do have a framer, they can just use that instead (since I imagine it would give false results to a track as well as a cop) to try and balance the fact that they can't kill the Tracker unless they get him lynched.

Lastly, there's an event that makes them not lovers that Hop claims he does not know of. My guess is that it's recruiting the Traitor. If scum recruit the traitor, the two are not lovers anymore, allowing them to kill the Tracker without repercussion. Going back to flavor analysis, if Light recruits Misa, she can kill Ray for him and he doesn't get caught.

Point 4 - Final Thoughts

Let's even step away from flavor for a second. Hopkirk was scummy early D1 and got run up to L-1. He then hasn't done anything of note. He's stopped giving vote reasons because 'other players can get away with it, why can't I' and even about-faced on MT the second he could, despite calling him strong town because of his role PM. It doesn't feel townie.

We have a mislynch. There are two scenarios today:

- We lynch kuribo. kuribo is scum with one other player (not Hopkirk), who killed Jason, ThAd and Om for unknown reasons (not town-mastin, which would have killed Hopkirk as well). He has one known partner. On D3, after killing not-mastin, he fakeclaims x-shot cop to get mastin lynched. Had the traitor not died, it would have been LYLO today and kuribo would most likely be lynched today. Maybe he thought Hop was the traitor.

- We lynch Hopkirk. Hopkirk is scum with one other player (not kuribo), who killed Jason for noticing his claim, ThAd for noticing the N1 kill, and Om for unknown reasons. He has one known partner. He, nor his scumbuddy, can kill mastin without dying themselves. Instead, they Frame mastin after the Herself lynch goes through in the hopes that he'll be lynched D3, and it works.

If Hopkirk flips town, kuribo gets lynched tomorrow. It has to be one of those two, there's no other logical reason to keep mastin's slot alive otherwise. If they're both town and scum left mastin alive plus framed correctly, we just got outplayed plain and simple. As a final point, I'd rather have scum-kuribo to deal with in LYLO than town-Hopkirk even if I'm wrong.

Calling my shot. Light Yagami, corner pocket.

vote Hopkirk

kuribo will die tonight probably and thanks to him claiming scanning me, assuming he's town and I'm right about this, we have confirmed town for the rest of the game (we get another ML tomorrow and I'm alive at 3p LYLO worst-case). Unless scum really want to waste a night trying to kill me, but they're in a bad enough spot with the traitor dead sooooo yay. If kuribo *is* scum and this was a crazy gambit, disregard this.

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also damn pie that flavor analysis

man if I'm wrong I'm going to look

stupid

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(it also makes the setup far more boring if I'm right about the traitor/lover/tracker thing. missed opportunity, slimer (yes, I know you cannot comment on this).)

[pedit] that was a hammer, we lynch SMP tomorrow.

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So Hop is the 2nd scum with Kat, that works.

Stop voting for hop right now, kat is confirmed scum.

lol

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Also smp for probable partner- they know i have wanted to lynch kasuki so when i start voting kuribo they try and draw attention away from him. Smp also supports his claim that "oh it must be a re director".

cross bussing aww yiss

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as a sidenote:

Btw I'm Aiber

There's some flavor about faking my death to draw out Kira's associates but for the sake of brevity I'm an x shot cop

I'm not brushed up well on the anime but I know my flavor didn't mention me being brought back from the dead.

but I imagine if kuribo was scum he'd ask the mod for a flavor fakeclaim, it's what I'd do in a game where flavor actually matters.

so

if kuribo is gambiting scum that messed up in his fakeclaim and Hop is town despite my theory making perfect sense, I'm gonna be annoyed.

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so I'm town, kuribo is town*, TSO is town. OGML is maybe-town, Kats is idk but probtown and will be alive tomorrow, SMP is scum.

*probably, but pending

kuribo dies tonight, we lynch SMP. if I'm wrong, TSO dies the next night and I decide between OGML and Kats.

who do I lynch then, kuribo?

[pedit] I thought the same thing, because if he had role info that'd confirm you as scum because there's no way we have 3 investigative roles. so.

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I crumbed it here. I was had to run out before making a huge post. TSO even noticed it.

have you just accepted your team's lost or what

you're not seriously claiming an investigative role, are you

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well good news everyone, if there's a redirector then kuribo IS town and Hop IS scum and now we just win the game because we have a mislynch woop woop

it's if Hop flips town and kuribo is scum that I'll be PISSED at you.

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(assuming you're town

because then I decide between you and Kats in 3p lylo)

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Well now I look stupid.

Sorry for helping lose that one, guys. I should have known to double-guess the Aiber flavor stuff (I still think I had valid thoughts/points on why Hop was alive).

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Well now I look stupid.

Oh, you have no clue just how much. No town player aided the scum wincon more than you did. Hell! You aided the scum wincon more than arguably any other actual scum player, rivaling kuribo for the title of scum MVP despite you being town. It should tell you something that basically everyone in the dead QT was certain you were scum, off of your play, off of your absolutely-bullshit-flavor-analysis off the last day, off of not lynching kuribo, everything. Even F-16 who thought it was Katsuki rather than you changed his mind into thinking it was you off of your final day performance.

The lynch on Fuzzy was bad. (You helped.) The lynch on Herself was bad. (You helped.) The quicklynch on me was horrible; you didn't even give us the chance to claim when you should have known that kuribo HAS A REPUTATION FOR FAKECLAIMING and that he had damn-good reasons to fakeclaim and that HIS FLAVOR DIDN'T MATCH HIS ROLE EVEN REMOTELY and that his play made no sense with his claim. You voted us off of impulse, when if you had paused and thought for so much as five god-damned minutes, you would have realized it was a bad idea. And then! After the quicklynch on us. If you were thinking, you would have realized that was a scum quicklynch and all three scum were on there. (They were.) But you blindly rushed into lylo and just so happened to vote for the one god-damned person I told you NOT to vote for, the ONE other person on the wagon that was town, off of flavor analysis that was SO bullshit it convinced everyone you were scum. So you helped the scum quicklynch Hopkirk for the win.

I'd have to double-check to be sure, but I don't think any actual scum player was on literally every single damn mislynch. (Yes, fuzzy counted as a mislynch.) But

you

were.

Admittedly, scumsided setup was scumsided, and we're not much ones to talk. (We tracked both scum nightkills. >_<) We didn't fight the fuzzy lynch hard enough and push through a scum lynch strongly enough. I almost helped mislynch Herself and my alternative was you. I didn't push kuribo nearly as hard as I needed to. But still...you get the idea. This was not a good game of yours, even remotely. With luck, it's a fluke. But be on guard. Look at yourself. And make sure it actually was just a fluke. Because, generally, such an utter abysmal failure that has not so much as a single trait of redemption is a warning sign about your play as a whole.

/ranting.

... a simple, "yep", would have sufficed, but okay...