Mini Theme 1513: Theater Season Mafia: Day Four

[uctriton00]

Hello.

The VLA is on because I'm on work travel this month but during weekend nights and most week nights I can be very active.

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Confirmed mod

Penguin alien, What makes you so confident in voting for a play director? And why RachMarie?

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In fact anyone else who voted, including broseidon, what are you doing with the vote?

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Last few pages some discussion about word contraction and trying to say its defeatist or defeats the purpose of the game or something from Smudger, um yeah nice scum slip

Scared it implicates you?

Vote: Smudger

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Hey look someone awake in my time zone

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I want props at the end of the game if the team is Smudger psyche and mantis. Scummies award IMO

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Are we playing Kingmaker by the way? Last time that happened I got told to sacrifice myself (see my sig) and scum won it easily because they sat back and laughed as I got thrown under the bus by fellow townies.

If this is KM then you need to be DAMN sure that you pick someone who isn't going to **** up the game.

But this is probably not KM since we're lunching people so I still don't know what to do with the king votes.

Did you read the Flavor Post when the game started? I mention it in the rules/ in the flavor post what the "King" votes are for. The word "King" just signifies to me that it's a vote for who is in charge of the play at the beginning of the flavor. I won't say what being given charge of the play does. Only that it should be used wisely.

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Yes lol

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Actually I don't think psyche is playing scum with mantis; they both talk way too much too be scum and psyche wouldn't (shouldn't) be voting his partner

Smudger alone for now, going to read more again later with ISPs

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Pretty sure king has to be a good thing so we're not questioning what it does, mod, just who gets it.

Long day at work today but catching up a bit

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Ya i was wondering about that too uct.
how do u win scum award by 'figuring' the scum
don'tcha mean town award?

The awards are called scummies, not townies
I'm up for a flavor one but there are categories for like best townies

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vote triton

def the most satisfying lynch atm
you guys should join me

Wtf is that ****

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ughh

And now you unvote me

Was that trying to be a reaction test or are you trying to prod the game along

Please answer seriously by the way it will help me read you

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So I've read up on Mantis' ISO. I'm down with him being in charge of Cyrano.

King:Mantis

Don't know if you explain this but what do you see that's so townie

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triton?

psyche, you should join me on lynching a player that's actually in the game.. that player being MAFIASSK

i think it might be more optimal to instead lynch the person who is most scummy

actually, uct did sort of possibly slip when he said he'd win the 'scummy award' ... that didn't make sense, from a town perspective

They're called scummies I'm pretty sure

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Oops answered that already sorry hard to keep track

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Lord your response to me is crap and it is your attitude that is condescending and to be blunt, fucking ignorant. Trying to dissect and counter my points by belittling the content is also arrogant and, to be frank, a rather immature way of dealing with my questions. Are you seriously going to sidestep my question with this pathetic attempt of character assassination?

to put it into words that an idiot like you might understand:

I think you Twicethrice and Alpa are the scum team this is based on what I am reading in the thread and that your opportunistic targeting of me. this is borne out by the fact that I see similarities in the way you are describing the way people play and the terminology used.

So if you can summon the intelligence to enter into a discussion and address my points that would be good. You ask me questions and yet refuse to answer mine, why should I even entertain your vitriol laced post with any other reply?

plus if you wan tot get fucking personal we can…

Here we go again; someone who is getting way too antsy about mafia posting.

To be honest the last time I saw this (and even myself) it was a townie so yeah let's not lynch this thing yet.

unvote

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I'm good with a Mantis town card. He does question what everyone does and doesn't sit reactionarily waiting for people to say/do things.

Not ready to vote him king yet, I kind of want it >_> but I still want to read more ISPs

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Isolation not ISP

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Went out this weekend, catching up

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ughh

And now you unvote me

Was that trying to be a reaction test or are you trying to prod the game along

Please answer seriously by the way it will help me read you

no your post was terrible and scummy and i will have your head

Bzzzzzt sorry that is not the answer we are looking for, please tell him what he's won!

He's won a brand new scum card!

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I can see a town reason why SSK would keep reads out of the thread at this time, but then that is if SSK is town. While we are
On this subject SSK you say that you will post your reads once the wagon had grown? Why do you believe it will grow? You are resigned to being lynched, I don't get it?

It's just pretty much inevitable with a lurking playstyle. People give up their substantial reads and try and act all vigilante-y and vote for the lurker. It just happens.

Lurker pools are excellent places to find scum. You'll usually find one person in the shadows to skate by.

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mid to high

Still not seeing why you think there's a connection?

experience and theory
no one seems to ever want to call their buds obvtown, since they want to avoid creating connections
no one seems to ever want to actively bus their buds (unless they "have" to), since they want to avoid losing the game even more directly

This pattern is usually busted by second-order theory of mind on the part of scum - they expect us to think a certain way about their scale, and attempt to mislead us in terms of that expected thought process. However, this seems to force them to express disingenuous attitudes about their buds. They have to dissimulate suspicion or approval over an extended period, for example.

However, because of the way you've responded to my recent couple of posts and because of the quality of your content so far, I doubt you're involved in much second-order theory of mind. Unless I'm underestimating your competence and/or you are not scum, then scum are disproportionately more likely to be found in the middle of your list than near either end of the spectrum.

I can't tell atm, though, if you are scum or just badly posting town.

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Done reading

Didn't know deadline was short, lol.

vote: psyche

1. Gut says there's usually one person who likes to talk a lot and be active, and have a lurker. Probably this head.
2. Started with a vote on Smudger, and tried to dissuade it. Defensive over a vote on another person? Only way you'd be defensive is if you knew their alignment.
3. Hard charging on me. To be that so confident on the first day on someone just reeks of knowing what who is what.

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2 should say I started with a vote on Smudger

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Anyone else have Psyche meta? Does he usually try to stay at the top of the active poster list?

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Also forgot

4. You have "all my posts are scummy". This is a confirmation bias, not a scum hunt. If I missed anything, have you asked m any questions, or have you been doing nothing but quoting me and saying im scummy? Kicker is you didn't even keep a vote on me, and you're online now and STILL not voting me.

Going to read mafia ssk because now they are probably town now.

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Scum Psyche knows I am a town, so you immediately try to finger me, but don't have a vote on me. Now you said something about bussing?' I don't get your argument that you just made. I'll reread it later today in better detail

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Back.

Triton votes Smudger.
Scum Psyche: "such a bad vote"
Me: maybe you're a scum buddy protecting scum (mantis did this too)

Since then I've read Smudger ISO as town. Then I read Mantis as town.

But Psyche is convinced the entire time I'm scum? But you know what, there wasn't any serious voting of me or pushing on me. This means Psyche *knows* I am town, but can't commit to voting me because it would look terrible.

Then this theory of "elaborate bus show" happens. Is that an attempt to bring me down if I flip you scum?

And Mantis, saying that my post looks scummy doesn't make you look good either at the moment.

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I like my homework it should earn a check plus.

Haha and if Gedak is threatening a wagon then I'm going to save my own ass and hammer the day right now. I'm not going to be one of those info martyrs like some players do.

vote: mafia ssk

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Love it.

Going home tonight. So over under that people still yet can't heed even the slightest amount of lip service to my theory?

P.S. if I die tonight, I urge you to look at lurkers so nobody hides in them.

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So it's wrong, sue me.

I'm not alone on the voting train btw.

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I hated that game because nobody wanted to listen to me and my words got distorted as **** by scum and nobody came to my rescue.

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aww
you really do listen, mantis

This looks like serious buddying but if I spend all day tunneling you when nobody else cares then we are wasting time. Going to keep my eye on you.

Don't know why twice died, looked like a lurker. Ill read in a bit.

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Wait he's the one who actually liked me.

This is a frame job

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And to answer Gedak or who it was, someone did say "want to try a triton lynch" so I hammered because I seriously thought I'd be in danger since admittedly my posts were reckless when I started getting mad (I tend to do that) and I've had enough experiences of myself and others being victims to a d1 lynch. I hate info lynches but it did give me a better view on psyche who was voting ssk apparently "cause of deadline".

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UCT seems to be somewhat paranoid, why is that, one person calls to lynch and you get scared? Also I had to laugh at your comment 706. You said something similar D1 that no one is listening to your "words", ok I 'm listening

There should have been a comma

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Psyche one question I forgot to ask you D1 you give UCT some friction in 651652 [/post]. With a very straight faced accusation at the end of the last 652. You then vote LM2 in 654, why did you not continue your focus on UCT ?

No one was listening to me about triton; I was trying to build momentum on a viable alternative to mafiassk. Mafiassk was a boring D1 lynch. A decent choice, but still boring. Triton's just accused me of voting mafssk opportunistically, but I was never

that

interested in the idea of an ssk lynch, even while I was sympathetic to anti-ssk sentiment.

You were never *that* interested, ok then your hands are clean.

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vote triton

today is the day

No and we are not making this day between me and you, look elsewhere.

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Sorry didn't get to the game over the weekend, prod dodge

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cause he shouldn't stay alive after his hammer. he could still be town... but, he's going to get in the way, later game... simply because of his hammer. he'll be a question mark... unless he can somehow prove himself to be super town.

To be honest this is why I'm going to take the time to redo the game (I don't like quitting, and I've seen people quit in this game where they get either super emotional or super frustrated and just up and out it and pretty much hurt the town). I don't want to end up like those guys (people who have played with me before probably know who I've seen).

Going to have much better content going this point forward, helped mostly by the fact that I am back to using an actual computer with a keyboard and can scroll and type as much as I like.

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Going to catch up most likely in a few hours during lunchtime.

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Starting from back and going to work my forward through the game

Rice probably was NKed because either they thought he was a PR or because he was pretty much viewed as town by most of the players.

Meanwhile will look at VCA and see what patterns emerge. I did get prodded but came to find the thread locked for night. Sorry things have been pretty hectic around here.

Is that all you have to say, Rach? Some NK spec and a vague promise at VCA?

VOTE: RachMarie

I still suspect odds are good that one of Psyche/Uctriton are scum, but I'm gonna conversate with mastin on that manner.

LM2 what do you find scummy about night skill specs and/or VCA? Unless you have a good reason I'd think it's an excuse to put a vote on someone.

In addition what is giving you a read that one of Psyche/me are scum?

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psyche,

3 worst uct offenses?

i am at square 1 with this game.

Rache has been bugging me but she has come off on me this way in the past and she's been town.

Square 1, as in you don't have any strong reads either way? That's a wishy washy don't-step-on-anyone-toes-stance

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M and M

That was in response to someone else talking about the NK.

Fact of the matter is scum NK for many reasons so it really ends up most of the time being WIFOM.

There are exceptions of course

As in the recently ended Dr Who game where the SK was determined to kill us (I was in a hydra with my fiance NS as Twin Flames in that game). We were not an universal town read by any means and we were pushing for Shii's death big time though we thought he was a red GF mafia instead of the SK.

But for the most part, it usually is WIFOM to focus on the varying mafia and 3rd party NKs.

First off, what's M and M?

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Some points of order:

1. Let's try to hammer the kingvote around 2/3 of the way into the day (so around 14 RL days in, with 7 RL days remaining) so that there remains a possibility for using the 1x ability to guide today's lynch, in case the ability is informational, and if there is no clear consensus on whom to lynch (this was my idea at the end of day 1 in 636, obviously).

2. Let's try to have an idea of the main targets for the lynch well before the last 24 hours. Lurkers and those in V/LA especially should post their preferences on who they would like to see lynched.

3.

Do not put anyone on L-1

, especially before the kingvote is hammered. Who knows what would happen if the lynchvote is hammered before the kingvote is (

mod?

You would have to choose someone the next day for that play.

). At any rate a scum selfhammer is a possibility if the decision on the lynch looks certain and they would like to prevent the kinged player from using their ability during the day. So let's claim at L-2 instead.

4. In addition to helping with the first point, I think that placing kingvotes would help with scumhunting as well (536), so let's try to do that.

Thanks.

I don't see scum having this kind of a mindset, I am giving Gedak a town card.

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I hated that game because nobody wanted to listen to me and my words got distorted as **** by scum and nobody came to my rescue.

actually i thought that i had come to your rescue, for some reason.. but that was another game. and i tried to find it, but gave up.

i think what got me with your hammer on him, not even necessarily the wagon, is that you were all laughy about it, like you were scum knowing that you'd probably be lynched next or at least soon anyway, so it didn't matter how bad your hammer came across.. just as long as it was a towny:

I like my homework it should earn a check plus.

Haha and if Gedak is threatening a wagon then I'm going to save my own ass and hammer the day right now. I'm not going to be one of those info martyrs like some players do.

vote: mafia ssk

Looking back I hate how I worded that. I can explain post game my attitude towards the lynch (can't talk about it right now as per site rules). Do I regret the lynch? No, because it's a game. But I do regret my attitude during the end of that day.

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king: smudger

cause he's my strongest town read

Either I missed this or where did you get this from?

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i'm not going to sit there camping over the thread though, making sure people don't vote him.

That's not my problem with your end-of-day play. My concern is that there was a possibility that you could have already used Cyrano which could have been informational (e.g. daycop): at the end of the play Cyrano declares "falsehood" one of his "old enemies".

I couldn't get people off the SSK wagon so close to the deadline without providing an alternative. And I couldn't choose an alternative while there was a possibility that you may have already sent an investigative PM targeting the same player I would be building a wagon on. Imagine I'm getting people to vote LM2 while you simultaneously investigate LM2 in the background. The deadline draws near, I'm successful in building an LM2 wagon, he's about to be lynched with no other alternative (as those voting SSK moved over), and then you get an innocent on LM2. Now what??? We would have been no-lynching or lynching a conftown - a disaster either way.

So I had to get you to say: "We're definitely lynching LM2 (or Smudger or penguin or whoever) and that's final". Instead, you point out that a random uct post is scummy in 668 and then kinda say that LM2 may be ok but you need to reread (671). So does "reread" mean you're waiting for your result? Did you get a guilty on uct (apparently not, as it turns out after the lynch: 687)? What do I do?

Of course, Cyrano may not be informational, or it may be and you may have just chosen not to use it. But then you should have pretended that it was and that you did, by declaring one of the players the definite lynch for the day, which would have solved the deadlock in either scenario.

It seems I overestimated you. How convenient that after your stellar play earlier in day 1 you happened to become useless at just the moment when your actions would have really made the difference for town.

Oooooooooohhhh burn
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Though this makes a big assumption about what the power the king has; without Manti claiming, this isn't proveable.

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I'd like to hear about the case on uctriton00; I'm not seeing it.

That makes two people at this point who seem to have buddied up to me with this type of quote.

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Page 31 is chock full of goodies

@ Mod: holiday is coming up, are prod rules going to be relaxed over the next 5 days?

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Back from thanksgiving

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I just read through the pages, and the last page is a vote on me again, so wtf.

My reads at this rate are Gedak town (based on the content and the analysis and likely giving a whole lot of scumhunting effort) and Mantis (gut read on personal sitewide meta), so I'm not touching those two.
Smudger for the PR claim, not voting Smudger.
Scum on probably Trollie (low content), LM2 (low content). My gut says that hanging in the back is a great place to be.

Smudger said Trollie made a visit.

Vote: Trollie

What did you visit Mantis for?

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Wait is everyone else reading what I read

Smudger claims he saw a night action

Why is nobody pushing

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VOTE: uctitron00

uct did you read the PA, Gedak, Mantis discussion that occurreded in the few pages before #1072 before posting?

Yes I caught up when I posted and if this is an omgus because you think I didn't read the thread then that's ridiculous

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Unvote

because we need a vote count

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Smudger scum means he is lying? Is he fake claiming

How do you even do that?

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That did sound really dumb after I wrote that last post. Trying again:

Smudger says he found Trollie go to Mantis, then Trollie says yes I went to Mantis. Then a Smudger counterwagon appeared, which is ridiculous because why would you wagon someone who had their action "verified"?

At this rate we don't (and unless I missed something other than that Trollie post) and won't ever get an explanation of why Trollie went there. That makes me think Trollie is what I think he would be for the only pro-town reason.

Smudger "outing" his ability can only be town. There is no reason on earth that a scum would ever out their ability (if I'm right, Smudger announced his ability without being prompted for it). Make it odd that he didn't say it bam right in the beginning of the day, but maybe he explained that already, I don't know.

King: Smudger

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Back to Trollie.

So there should only be one town reason Trollie ever went to Mantis, and probably dozens of scum reasons he went there. I want to go with the odds but then again I'm going to take grief if the former is true and the latter is not. Let me think about it.

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Also Gedak I think it's ridiculous how you can't see scum visiting Mantis.

Mantis is obviously a town read (by the fact she was kinged), why wouldn't a scum visit her?

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No I'm not

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Friday I was at the jingle ball concert at staples center
Saturday I was at bear mountain
Sunday I was watching the Chargers

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I never said it did but I'm here now

I have Smudger as town and I have Trollie as leaning scum but I want to think about it before voting because if I'm wrong then I'm basically screwed

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uct, that seems really nice that you were all busy during the weekend,
but how does this help any, for this game?

Those were to Alpazard asking the questions by the way

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Vote: TheTrollie

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Unvote

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L

ove it.

Going home tonight. So over under that people still yet can't heed

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l i g h t s o u t p s y c h e

As a stagehand, at night I can shut off the lights and sneak into someone's dressing room. In Psyche's room I found legitimate actor credentials.

I can't do it consecutive nights because it would arouse suspicion among the actors.

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It's called a breadcrumb in case I died

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I don't know I was excited to get a investigation role for the first time ever

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I figured if I play recklessly then I would be left alive by scum

As we can see this has totally backfired

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Vote: Broseidon

Opportunistic jump IMO

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Good job by the PRs, and I personally wasn't sure how to approach the game (to be honest, I signed up for this game after raging against a town who refused to believe me, so I was reckless in this game). Mantis dont worry, your meta on me is still totally fine lol, I was just using some fake ate.

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I thought we were set especially when the game went "all 3 can't be on that day 1 lunch" but eh, a loss is a loss, no hard feelings

Also mod I misunderstood the role you made; I thought if they vote a scum lead, then a town lead would get an auto vote. That's why I wasn't sure how to use it.

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Nope, the second vote would have always landed on scum.

From our PMs together:

Your role gives you the opportunity to give an extra "King" vote to another player. The extra vote will land on scum

or a random non scum member if the first vote is on scum.

Today however you give that vote to yourself.

I'm not hounding this due to bitter grapes, I'm hounding this because you said this was a really great power to have but from the role PM it doesn't sound so great

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The Acting Method, you skipped my question

Nope, the second vote would have always landed on scum.

From our PMs together:

Your role gives you the opportunity to give an extra "King" vote to another player. The extra vote will land on scum

or a random non scum member if the first vote is on scum.

Today however you give that vote to yourself.

I'm not hounding this due to bitter grapes, I'm hounding this because you said this was a really great power to have but from the role PM it doesn't sound so great

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These game mechanics.....

*backs away slowly*

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*gives power to Psyche*

Mod in PM: Psyche you get a double vote.

Psyche: Let's king Mantis

King votes:
Mantis (1): Psyche
Trollie (1): Psyche

Psyche: wtf was that? I unvote.

King votes:
-none-

Psyche: This is weird. King Mantis.

King votes:
Mantis (1): Psyche
LM (1): Psyche

Psyche: wtf is going on here? Unvote.

King votes:
-none-

Psyche: Mod are you on crack? I'm trying to vote Mantis. Vote: Mantis.

King votes:
Mantis (1): Psyche
Triton (1): Psyche

Psyche: Why are votes going to Trollie, LM, and Triton?

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That is how I pictured what was happening, and my concern is exactly what Mhork said.

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Btw can we get thescum qt

No, it's just us talking about what user we would sleep with if we met them in real life

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Btw can we get thescum qt

No, it's just us talking about what user we would sleep with if we met them in real life

This is relevant to our interests!!

It got awkward when someone pointed out someone was actually much younger than we thought.

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I was expecting a dumber town overall,

and a more intelligent scum.

"Not my fault you lost, you were just too dumb". That's a nice way of treating your players.

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Like not to put you all down, but the towns day game was kinda awful. The only real lynch you got was uct.

So it's not okay for TAM to imply that scum played badly but it's okay for you to say that an entire alignment sucked? I really want to empathize with you Mhork, but it goes both ways.

Please grow up and move on.

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Tbh while I've been jokingly taking aside to the whole post game chat, Mhork is actually right, Mantis.

You see it as being ungrateful, but mods are supposed to listen to feedback. TAM's response has just been "it would have been balanced with better players".

Players are just as important as moderators. Goes both ways, I loved my players like they were my kids, and so on.

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I should get on that again, when work settles down