Mini 1539 - UDesign (DAY 4)

[Venmar]

Holy shit, I just wanna fuck everything in this room

Vote:BBmola

[Venmar]

Wow! Someone I can fuck!

Vote: Silver Bard

Your claim stinks horse poo, like, three metric tons of poo. I see no town motivation whatsoever, if there is any, correct me, though i'm not wrong.

@BBmola

I chose a Redirector, if that interests you. It's not strictly a scum role but in the hands of scum it can be extremely powerful.

[Venmar]

The only other game I remember being in with him the see minus minus, in which BB and Titus and I think Venmar was in as well.

I have not played with him before, that I know of at least unless he is an alt of someone else.

I don't particularly think his rage at Fu is as legitimate as some might make it out to be, simply cause Fu did little and he could just be drawing on his experience with him, but unless he replaces out I would prefer to see him lynched no matter what because the guy is scummy and extremely anti-town either way.

okay maybe we should all take a breath.... we dont want the town to start imploding

Think we need to step back for a second before we precede with the interrogation of Bard

Beep Beep, scumdar has went off for a second there.

[Venmar]

Wow Fu, I barely saw you post that! We think alike.

*raises hand for a high five*

[Venmar]

okay maybe we should all take a breath.... we dont want the town to start imploding

Think we need to step back for a second before we precede with the interrogation of Bard

Fuzzy explain this post.

[Venmar]

I concluded that SLB was more likely than not a imploding townie and wanted everyone to step back a sec before we went forward lynching a possible townie.

The lynch seemed to me to be more a policy lynch than anything scummy Bard did.Plus I did not like that we lynched someone in less than 24 hours and only in 6 pages. This made me think we might start to have a town that is too eager to lynch without thinking things through. I seen games like that.. and the scum always win and usually in embarrassing manner to the town.

We need to be smart about our lynches.

Except #112 wasn't directed at Bard directly, you were just talking to the town in general, so how can the bolded be true? The conclusion you made about SLB was made by everyone else a page later, not when you made #112, and if you did think it up first then it wasn't clear in #112, therefore I don't think what you're saying here is necessarily true? In my experience people who try to slow down the game saying stuff like "Guys we need to slow down and think about this" and "We have a lot of time left in the day lets use it" are scum trying to gain easy town points by pointing out the obvious, while at the same time hinting that they know the current wagon might be on a townie, like it so happened to be?

Titus also brings up similar points I had in mind,

Vote: Fuzzylogic

[Venmar]

Venmar on the other hand I feel was trying to get a counter wagon going, or at the very least knew that bard would flip town and wanted to set up a day 2 mislynch.

I don't understand how you came to this conclusion at all, wtf? Is it my fault you're gullible to people saying obvious shit?

[Venmar]

I dunno, I don't get scum intent from fuzzy wanting to slow down the bard lynch. In retrospect appears pro town to me.

okay maybe we should all take a breath.... we dont want the town to start imploding

Think we need to step back for a second before we precede with the interrogation of Bard

This post seemed out of place, what is with the subtle defense of bard, fuzzy?

Oh shit, you fucking contradicting piece of shit.

FoS: FuDuzn

[Venmar]

So now that Bard flipped town you're going to try to come out as the white knight here, all glorious and pure and shit, and then make it so that your contradiction no longer qualifies? Are fucking with me right now?

[Venmar]

But you are still going with it and trying to still make fuzzy appear scummy.

Such is the nature of having scumreads, you don't seem to understand my argument on Fuzzy is not based off of Bard's alignment at all.

[Venmar]

The wagon on Bard (most likely) would not have actually gone through if he didn't self-hammer, as virtually most of the game was coming to terms that he was probably an imploding townie. Therefore you saying "You guys lynching him" is not true >.>

Moar Fuzzy votes please.

[Venmar]

Venny, thoughts on Titus? I like your posting so far, and think you'll be valuable if you're town, so I need to sort you right away. Please humor me.

I actually think Titus is town, me and him seem to think alike and i've been agreeing with the majority of his posts this game. Pretty solid townread for me right now.

[Venmar]

There's the "No rush", "Lets think things through" stuff again. Fuzzy, why are you simply implying we should slow down and think rather than trying to convince us you're town?

Choo Choo motherfuckers.

[Venmar]

There it is again... take a hint scumbutt. Not to mention you're discrediting your wagon now, which is also scummy.

Guys, moar Fuzzy votes please!

PEdit: This is OMGUS of the strongest varieties.

[Venmar]

There's a difference between discrediting your wagon and defending yourself or disproving it you obtuse retard.

[Venmar]

AGAIN WHY ARE YOU RUSHING TO LYNCH !!!! Venmar.
WHy ARE YOU FELLOW TOWNIES JUST GIVING SCUM EASY MISLYNCHES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wh-What? My last post did nothing of the sort, it corrected you of being obtuse. The second part of this post is a pure contradiction and a slip from scum cause you called me and Titus scum a few posts ago too.

[Venmar]

Fuzzy, I would respond to your wall but I don't do that. I think your scumread on me is completely OMGUS driven and you're just taking me being aggressive and pushy with my scumreads as a scumtell when that's really just my playstyle as town.

Would appreciate if people stopped fucking around and realize Fuzzy = super scum.

[Venmar]

@ Vanmar- scum scum scum ... you are busted and you know it that

You can ignore what I said all you want, doesn't change anything >.>

[Venmar]

@Venmare, I am reading you as crumbing nympho do you have any evidence that suggests other wise?

I'll suck your dick dry man.

[Venmar]

Okay I feel like i've been going in the wrong direction this game, so i'm going to reevaluate my play and get my shit straight in a bit.

@ Venmar....
Are you claiming nympho ?

Yeah I might as well now, i'm a Town Nymphomaniac. Its basically someone that is forced to become a lover with another player, and in my case this was Night 1. People who become lovers with me aren't aware of it.

[Venmar]

No. I keep the same lover for the rest of the game. (Revealing the lover right now isn't something I want to do, I want scum to gambit killing me in case I lover'd one of them)

[Venmar]

Unvote:Fuzzy

Until I figure this out, though this does not mean I think he is town, I just wan't to recheck what my reasons were. I'll be back later, thing to do IRL.

[Venmar]

can you give me your read please.

TheFuzzylogic99 ~ Still Prob Scum
Munna ~ Lurker/Null/Leaning Scum
Pachino ~ Who?
Hanzo_5 ~ Null
StrangerCoug ~ Leaning Town
FuDuzn ~ Null/Leaning Scum
Titus ~ Town
Jingle ~ Null/Leaning Town
Katarina LeBlanc ~ Town
TheTrollie ~ I don't like you. Ever.

I decided I don't find what FuDuzn did as scummy anymore, I think I completely missed that fact that his change of read on Fuzzy was plausible in the light of a Bard flip, I don't know why I was so boneheaded in that regard. However that does not mean I agree his stance on Furry either.

I find Munna scummy for showing up to the game with senseless fluff and then disappearing when the Bard wagon speeded up, and continuing to lurk into Day 2.

You are a Town Nymphomaniac.

Abilities

During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
Nymphomaniac: During Night 1, you must PM me the name of another player. You will form a Lover bond with them (aka if you or your partner is killed, the other Lover will also die).

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

- This is practically my role.

Still believe in this wagon, so,

Vote: fuzzylogic

[Venmar]

• All the Roles in this game are ones submitted during Pre-Game, however please note:
  • Roles may be split from their Modifiers or Combined to make new ones
    (e.g. NK Immune Miller Vig could lead to a game with a NK Immune Serial Killer, a Vig and a Miller and vice versa).

I'm a fucking Town Nymphomaniac and not a Town Nymphomaniac Suicide Bomber, i'm not lying and you guys need to cut this speculation because it's just going to start hurting the town soon.

[Venmar]

No i am not going to claim

>.>

[Venmar]

I agree with StrangerCoug about Hanzo, exposing players on their soft claims/crumbs is not a town mindset...

[Venmar]

Posting from my phone, so bear with me,

@Fuzzy - No, Titus didn't expose my crumbs. I think he was the first one to

notice

them, but he didn't expose them. Leblanc to my knowledge was the first one to expose my breadcrumbs in the post below.

Holy shit, I just wanna fuck everything in this room

Vote:BBmola

Har nar Nympho breadcrumb.

Followed by... Drumroll..... Hanzo

@Venmare, I am reading you as crumbing nympho do you have any evidence that suggests other wise?.

You have Hanzo and katarina to thank, not Titus....

This was such a pain to write on my phone holy shit.

[Venmar]

Breadcrumbing is all the more scummy considering you're giving yourself an out to claim at the very last momen of the game

Lol are you trying to imply that only scum crumb their own roles?

[Venmar]

Crumbing is a non-town motivated thing to do, in all cases you put yourself out in the open to excuse yourself of claiming the actual role when it's needed. In this case, you crumbed nympho which is pretty damn weird.

A town PR crumbing is obviously possible but if you were a role that would immediately benefit scum if they pick up on it then I'd say it was a pretty shit gambit.

Lynch Cougar.

So it's an anti-town action that is done by town?

[Venmar]

ITT People think crumbing is anti-town and scummy, and as a result are retards.

[Venmar]

Lol not Kat, but i'm fine with a Hanzo lynch.

I am still of the opinion Fuzzy is more likely scum though.

[Venmar]

@StrangerCoug I don't know what that means, are you saying he's still on it or not on it anymore?

[Venmar]

@Venmar, this kind of crumbing is not scummy?

No not really.

[Venmar]

I believe coug is maf. I am for his lynch.

Lol why aren't you voting him then?

[Venmar]

@Venmar, I have already stated i hold my vote with intent to hammer. Yes it does make my dick very hard when I hammer.

And you expect the wagon to attract traction... how?

[Venmar]

StrangerCoug is really town, as a whole I am very ticked with the players in this game who have an extremely twisted idea of what breadcrumbing actually is and the alignment indications that come with it. I find both Hanzo and Katarina very anti-town (Katarina at the very least ) with it because all they have done this game is expose two players of their roles and forced one of them (me) to claim a role that is

harmful

to be revealed. The scum can now just kill me for a double kill, and I think Hanzo knew this when he pushed for me to full claim.

[Venmar]

i need reads from the following people --> Venmar

Fuzzy scum, Hanzo leaning scum, Stranger town, Katarina town, FuDuzn leaning town, Titus leaning town, You null, Discode null (but his recent posting looks good)

However Discode brings up good points that put my entire Titus town read into question... though I don't understand his reasoning for post #175. Titus made that post only about 63 posts after 112, which is barely a page after. I think saying it happened "ages ago" is a gross distortion of the matter on hand, why is that?

[Venmar]

Zekroms questions are very weird, I personally don't relate to just asking everyone questions that don't lead anywhere >.>

The game has been stalled out for a while now, we should settle on a Fuzzy or Hanzo.

[Venmar]

Omfg this game.

Unvote

STOP fucking talking about me not fully claiming, it's a bullshit debate all around.

Sorry guys but Titus is town, scum wouldn't claim Suicide Bomber, he's likely legit.

Fuzzy is also probably town... though only because of his claim, his posts post-claim are still dumb/scummy.

Zekrom seems to be somewhat fake scumhunting, too many questions, many empty, and too little conclusions. Though Hanzo is my hands down next scum pick.

Vote: Hanzo

[Venmar]

I have a stronger scumread on Hanzo, that's really it. Not to mention Zekrom isn't even a full scumread for me, i'm just building it with scummy things I happen to see.

[Venmar]

I have a husband and I suck his dick. Jealous? Keep that off of here. It's not relevant or hlpful.

Wow, TIL Titus is a woman...

Hanzo is a fucking retard, holy shit, criticizes the town for the Bard lynch, and then does the same thing to himself. I am expecting nothing but a scumflip from him.

[Venmar]

Vote: Titus

[Venmar]

Fuzzys 788 makes me think he is scum with either Trollie or Titus. Personally I prefer to lunch fuzzy over either of them.

I have similar reservations, but I would like to hear yours, why Fuzzy over Titus/TheTrollie?

[Venmar]

Unvote:Titus

Yeah so TheTrollie not being a Suicide Bomber is dumb and has made me lose confidence in Titus scum, not to mention his claimed night actions do not sensibly align. Both of the players he has redirected died the night he targeted them... how convenient. He should have had no reason to redirect them either since BB and Kath were both basically claimed IC? Why is Trollie saying he was blocked when his role doesn't even return results, and when he essentially was redirecting VT's? Unless he's saying that the mod always returned him a "your ability failed", (which should NOT happen) then this is fishy as hell.

[Venmar]

could Trolllie be a scum redirector. I know some about the role but not enough if this likely

Yeah it's called a Mafia Bus Driver.

[Venmar]

Oh, wait, I forgot MS uses the version of Redirector where actions affecting one player go to someone else, the one I was thinking of was where a redirector diverts actions performed by their target to a 2nd player, so a part of what I said against Trollie doesn't apply anymore, but that counterclaim from Coug is enough to confirm my vote here:

Vote: TheTrollie

[Venmar]

The one I was thinking of was the version I submitted, though I didn't specify.

[Venmar]

This is why I think you're scum Fuzzy...

[Venmar]

what post are you refering to... post 818, 619 , or 820 or all of them ?

Zekrom
Are you the Tracker or not bc you seem to claim that in 634... If you are than who did you follow and what results did you get???

I was referring to this post. Stop fucking role fishing already, it makes me cringe and only makes me want to lynch you more.

Also why are you pushing Zekrom if you suspect that he is a Tracker? What's the logic there?

@venmar
look at my posts against titus, jingle and SC. What do you think of those 3 players?

I think Jingly is generally towny. I think SC is town for his Day 1 play (which reminds me of his town self of when I have played with him before) and due to his counterclaim. I am still unsure of Titus, but I think Titus is somewhat town in light of Trollie changing his fakeclaim to something completely else, but otherwise I am keeping my eye on him.

[Venmar]

He didn't claim what the fuck are you fabricating here?

[Venmar]

Helium of Suspicion?

[Venmar]

@venmar
that's why I asked for you to look at my points against SC, titus and jingle. Titus and SC do things that don't add up with what they have said. And jingle is posting 'obv' things mostly (IIoA).

Okay, well then explain to me how TheTrollie flipflopping his

role

to counterclaim and to get counterclaimed is in anyway town? He's flip flopping like crazy and is trying to feed off of the idea of the roleblocker being in the game. I see ZERO town motivation in him, how can you?

[Venmar]

Yup, hammer away.

[Venmar]

Only one way to do this one,

Vote: No Lynch

[Venmar]

Zekrom isn't in that QT.

I'll respond properly when I'm at a computer and not my phone.

[Venmar]

Back from my V/LA, will post soon

Need to get my head back in this game,

@SC - Where do you stand with the FuDuzn/Havingfitz slot? Also, can you open my eyes to your Discode read? It's an intriguing point of interest for me because in #647 you called him town, and have had a lot of interaction with him, but you haven't really hinted your read changed until you spontaneously did so in #1005

[Venmar]

No, because I believe your redirector claim. I know it has longer odds on the surface, but your play so far has been absolutely town. So for now, I'll trust you when you say the kill was redirected.

Man, you made so many assumptions in this post and barely even answered his question you know that?

@StrangerCoug - Probably directly? No idea, I have the impression that so much is going on in the night that I wouldn't know anymore.

I think we need Fitz to catch up and bring us up to date, but my scumreads right now are somewhere between Zekrom and Titus honestly? I do however have my reservations with what FuDuzn did, but I want to see what Fitz has to say first.

@HavingFitz - You scum bro?

[Venmar]

Lol... I actually explained everything to FuDuzn right before he left, I never lied to him and he just decided to blow up distorted facts for his own benefit. First of all, my choosing of a lover Night 1 was not a targetable action, it was just me simply choosing someone. Instead of targeting someone in the night I just told the mod who I wanted as a lover and that person became as such, because I had a deadline of having to choose night 1. It's like a choice role kind of. As for last night, I know why I was reflexively neighbored and I decided not to reveal the reason to FuDuzn because I had no grounds or reason to trust him just because we spontaneously got a QT, and especially because it's LyLo. The part of my role I did not reveal is that I have a x1-shot deflect that I can use on my lover on a certain night. I used it on FuDuzn last night because I did not want to risk having him killed and me dying as a result, it would have enved in a scum win this day.

I just want to point out that the paranoia on me is very unwaranted and ridiculous, I have had a lot of reason to lover FuDuzn. I lover'd him Night 1 because of this post and his general town-looking mindset night 1, so I believed he was a safe lover and someone I could trust. Day 2 I had a change of heart when FuDuzn caught himself in what I saw as a nasty contradiction and I slapped him for it by attacking him, but I always knew he was my lover so I never actually voted him because I did not want to actually risk having him lynched and me dying in the process. My view on FuDuzn improved later when I got my head back into the game and I decided what he did Day 2 was not actually scummy, so I tried to keep my distance from FuDuzn from that point on to not hint we're neighbors, while still somewhat trying to keep in sync with him. Last night I decided to put my deflect on him to make sure we didn't go into this night with 2 people dead instead of 1.

Does it look like i'm guilty? Lol sure? But I am naturally in a weird spot and I think it's just setting me up for an easy mislynch that FuDuzn fought so hard to justify in LYLO.

[Venmar]

Jesus, Fitz just think about it logically and realize FuDuzn was wrong and I am not fucking scum. YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE YOU SAID I'M NOT A NYMPHO WHEN I FUCKING AM.

I hate LyLo

Going to take a look at other people now, post on after school.

[Venmar]

If a watcher can see a nympho select a person to partner with...then I am not going to be swayed in believing that that action (observable to a watcher) would not have triggered my reflexive neighborizing role and brought you into our neighborhood that night (N1).

That's what Jingle said, this game has proven on so many occasions that it uses different variations of roles, especially from submitted roles. It doesn't really matter to me what sways you either anymore if you were viewing me with false facts to begin with.

[Venmar]

If a watcher can see a nympho select a person to partner with...then I am not going to be swayed in believing that that action (observable to a watcher) would not have triggered my reflexive neighborizing role and brought you into our neighborhood that night (N1).

That's what Jingle said, this game has proven on so many occasions that it uses different variations of roles, especially from submitted roles. It doesn't really matter to me what sways you either anymore if you were viewing me with false facts to begin with.

[Venmar]

Venmar...what are the specifics of your claimed deflector role? What does it do?

^ please answer Venmar.

Life ie sgetting busy but it basically is a role I can ONLY use once per game and ONLY onto my lover, and it essentially is just a 1-shot deflection for the night. Not sure what else there is to explain? Deflect is when roles targeting a certain player are "deflected" onto a different player?

[Venmar]

Vote: Discode

[Venmar]

[Venmar]

For the record, I was a Mafia Bus Driver that had the ability of targeting myself (though I never did this game), and Nymphomaniac was my fakeclaim.

[Venmar]

We killed BB because we thought he claimed or hinted of being a powerrole Day 1, and because I personally thought he was one of the better players in the game. My last experience with BBMolla as scum almost ended in me losing because he came up with a game-breaking strategy. I was worried he was going to do something similar in this game, and since he was on that path with the revealer stuff, I knew he would have cracked any of our fakeclaims or shenanigans.

Anyways, fun game, FuDuzn almost completely ended me, but I somehow managed to stay alive?

[Venmar]

Can you tell me more about the redirectors and the busdriver? Why were the busdriver targets processed before the redirectors and why was the busdriver informed of this? To me, it feels that the mafia have a huge advantage in this area compared to town.

I didn't really "process" before the other redirector, I simply couldn't be redirected as per my role PM, so that means other redirectors couldnt alter my actions, and if we targeted the same person, i would resolve first.

[Venmar]

To be fair, I think I played just as well as Titus in this game and was only exposed and threatened when FuDuzn fucked me up good, but even there i magically BS'd my way out of that?

The night me and Zek were neighbored by FuDuzn, was the night I bus drived FuDuzn with someone else and Zekrom shot FuDuzn so the shot would transfer to my second target. The mod error was that Zekrom never really targeted Fuduzn as per my bus, so only I should have gotten reflexive'd.

How Venmar was able to avoid getting lynched after getting caught in a lie (nice work Fu) is beyond me.

Cmon give me some credit, I played well

[Venmar]

I forgot where I caught it on SC, probably #350 or something, I don't know.

[Venmar]

I want to punch myself for trusting Venmar too much, the nympho fake claim was just something I did not want to touch and he just pulled it off amazingly.

Thanks!