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I switched to hiplop due to his post 31. Juxtaposition of serious and jokey is unnatural.-
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In the post literally above that one someone asked whether my post was RVS and whether there was any reasoning associated with it.In post 76, hiplop wrote:
And this post isn't unnatural?In post 39, Iecerint wrote:I switched to hiplop due to his post 31. Juxtaposition of serious and jokey is unnatural.-
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Happy with FTL's comeback posts.
I like Rach's perspective on FTL pre-FTL comeback. Hiplop's multipost series seems town.
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I'm referring to the part where you made the 3 posts in a row. I got the impression that you were energized by something that had happened in the game, which I think is a towntell, especially in a game with low activity. Your iso 10 stood out from the set.In post 158, hiplop wrote:Hm, curious Icerint, what about my "multipost" reads town? this seems like a very bad attempt at appealing to me (a player who i m assuming you see as OMGUSish b/c of serras post?)
I think you're a bit tunneled on me, but I figure it'll work itself out. I mentioned you in particular because I thought about voting you off of FTL, but then I noticed your multipost set.-
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The source material has nice wolves and mean wolves.-
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Basically, I read through people I had a null or scum read on until I found someone who didn't have any posts that made me go "oh this person is town nvm NEXT."In post 173, Faster Than Light wrote:I also don't understand the SMP wagon.
The recent votes on SMP mark a strange change of tide in game-state.
What is up?
Why SMP?
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Rach, do you still think FTL is scum, or is that a hangover vote?-
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Zek's a kind of nothing slot, but I'd rather lynch him than serra I think.
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Because he's a compromisey lynch, or based on something he did in particular?-
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Activity was pretty low yesterday, as evidenced by the prods, though that's partly because BRO has a prod-happy prod policy.In post 256, Ansuz wrote:What do you mean "no one here d1"? Everyone was here, everyone participated, and we lynched scum. What's so funny about all of that?
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VOTE: SMPIn post 254, Ansuz wrote:
Strictly Nacho. The only thing I care about right now is tightening rope around hiplop's neck.In post 251, RachMarie wrote:Is that from Des or Nacho or both of you together?
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I was going to say that maybe it was because he was relatively active, but I guess he wasn't, really. I guess he was just discussed a lot.
I got a town read on him from my impression of his reaction to the pressure yesterday, so it's hard for me to interpret him that way, but I can see what you mean. Though it's not that scum would be frustrated by the SK lynch, so I don't know that it's really alignment-indicative, anyway.-
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Wait, I think I misread one of your posts:
I thought this meant that only one of you wanted to lynch hiplop. Is it in fact the case that both of you want to lynch hiplop?In post 254, Ansuz wrote:
Strictly Nacho. The only thing I care about right now is tightening rope around hiplop's neck.In post 251, RachMarie wrote:Is that from Des or Nacho or both of you together?
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OK, well, that's good enough for me.In post 262, Ansuz wrote:
Rach asked who made this post and if it was collaborative. I said it was strictly Nacho.In post 250, Ansuz wrote:TOWN:
Zekrom25 BugKitteh
The Betting Pool (penguin_alien+Lucky2u)
Lord Mhork
DeasVail*
orcinus_theoriginal**
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Iecerint**
hiplop*
Espeonage* FrenchAchilles
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???In post 267, Lord Mhork wrote:I don't know. I need to reread after not have payed much attention. Frankly I don't actually remember hiplop
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Mhork, I think you should drop this for right now.-
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Looks like he's currently at L-2, so don't vote yet actually.-
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I think it would be anti-town for you to continue in this particular direction.-
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As soon as I'm the active one, BRO's prodhammer loses its bite. :[-
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Pretty sure FTL is town, too, initial funkiness notwithstanding. Though I guess they're a hydra.-
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Mhork, when everyone's play is one way and your play is a different way, maybe you should stop and reflect on whether you are clueless and totally missing something.-
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People who don't understand why hiplop is scum should read this day over again from the beginning.-
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The thought crossed my mind due to a particular post somewhere, except that:In post 322, DeasVail wrote:Iec: No I understand, don't worry, but I'm worried about assumptions being made where they shouldn't be.
a) I think it would have come out by now if that was the case, and
b) at this point, I think hiplop's actual behavior is scummy and I'd vote for him even if the situation you're thinking about is what's happened (i.e., long initial lag before posting followed by the gratuitous rolefishing).
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Mhork, I am going to go ahead and lay out for you what the deal is. I feel like the following has been pretty transparent to enough players that I do not think there is much risk in pointing it out. I'm also concerned that unnecessary details might come out otherwise.
There was no kill last night. Ansuz started the day with an explanation-less vote on hiplop, even though his last prior comment was about hiplop having done something town. He clarified that both members of the hydra want to lynch hiplop, and he has single-mindedly focused on hiplop all day. This strongly suggests that Ansuz can account for the missing kill and that hiplop is implicated. The fact that he didn't correct anyone when people behaved accordingly makes this even more likely.
Hiplop's behavior since this came out has been based mainly around trying to pressure people to reveal why they believed what they believed. To understand this as town behavior, you have to infer that hiplop was totally naive to what everyone was doing (a stretch given what I've seen from hiplop in this game so far -- he has seemed much more engaged than other players) AND that his role has interacted in an unusual way with whatever Ansuz did. He also avoided the thread for a day or so after day start (not a stretch at all for most players, but hiplop has been relatively engaged AFAICR).
So in other words, the main reason to lynch hiplop is an educated sheep on Ansuz breadcrumbs, and his behavior today is basically consistent with caught scum who wants to out Ansuz the rest of the way.
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I think it's up to his discretion whether he wants to clarify the nature of the PR. I assume he's been cagey for a reason.-
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His character in the show is a veterinarian who employs Scott in a part-time job, and in season one it later becomes clear that he can do magic things and such and is aware of the supernatural elements in the plot. He provides medical care to the various werewolves using his veterinary powers.
I think he might help chain up Scott in one of the episodes before he learns to master his transformations during the full moon? That's kinda JK-y. I don't remember tbh.
Hiplop's claimed character is the canon OTP w/ Scott during season 1 and she has a crossbow and her family are werewolf hunters and oh no how will their doomed love survive. :[
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I think the implication is that he targeted you because he thought you were scum.
Though, I guess his last mention of you was that something you had done was townie (I think complaining about my comment about your multipost).-
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Yeah, I would have guessed that Stiles's dad would have an ability like that, if anyone. But ye know.
Can't find reference to Scott being locked at the vet's office in the episode summaries.-
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K, town + not lying here, I think.In post 389, Ansuz wrote:Nacho had absolutely nothing to do with the target choice. We haven't even synched up re: this game yet and neither of us had sent an action in until we got a night prod; I reread, looked at the final VC, and sent it in on hiplop.
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I don't want to get too excited about perceived flavor match-up; I think it's just going to out other folks as they weigh their own flavor with any abilities they have, etc.
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I'm probably inclined to vote Majiffy right now, mainly for the hyperbolic hiplop defense yesterday.-
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There was no reason to infer that Ansuz's implicit result on hiplop was a JK based on his behavior, and no reason for this to mean that hiplop was town, anyway.In post 543, Majiffy wrote:No,I figured Ansuz was JKand I was trying to subtly tell everyone to get out of their death tunnel. And then no one did, so I had to force the claim. And then no one listened anyway, because you're all fucking twits.
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I had assumed roleblocker, or at any rate something that would actually confirm hiplop as scum. Otherwise, I'd have expected him to be more cagey about it. JK result is still worth lynching, but not that unambiguously.
Knowing Ansuz-JK->hiplop means you know that hiplop was targeted with the NK. Not that some other mechanic caused no NK, not that hiplop was simply blocked scum.
Hiplop was relatively active D1, but nothing particularly townie about him apart from that. I don't buy that reading his iso could lead anyone to those kinds of theatrics.
Only possible exception to this is if you're Mhork, who "knew that it was the JK obv so obvious" despite spending all yesterday demanding that Ansuz explain the reasons for his read (aka if you totally miss the night game implications altogether).-
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Ansuz was extremely aggressive. He did the blank vote at start, he praises people joining the wagon, he didn't put up any kind of caution sign when he got the support that he got. That's why it was irrational to assume that his result wasn't good. And you shouldn't try to out the specifics either way. That's something that is only of interest to scum.
Town is totally 100% in the dark about a missed NK, unless they caused it aka are Ansuz. The scum at least know who they killed.
All I know about Zek is that he's apparently kind of trollish and new. I'll rely on other people's take on what that has to do with his alignment this game.
I'd be OK with spending a lynch on him if it weren't going to put the game in lylo, but a) it's not D1 and b) you are the one pushing it.-
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No, that is not what you said. You said that Ansuz was scum until waaaaay late into D2, when he had already claimed and stuff, e.g.:In post 358, Majiffy wrote:Yeah I just skimmed ISOs of everyone on the wagon. I don't really see any reasons.
Also dissonance within Nacho's own reads.Ansuz is probably scum. Also probably a scumbutt in the {icerint, orci, TBP} portion of the wagon.
Nice total redirection, too, but I'll continue to entertain you. Re: Zekrom, enough players have done the "have you played with Zekrom?" thing that I am pretty confident that it's a valid consideration. I could imagine a weak player ignoring the thread for 2 days regardless of alignment.In post 387, Majiffy wrote:In post 385, Iecerint wrote:I think the implication is that he targeted you because he thought you were scum.
Though, I guess his last mention of you was that something you had done was townie (I think complaining about my comment about your multipost).Hence why I think Nacho's dissonance is telling of their alignment.
This isn't typical of him.
The appeal to having a life does raises an eyebrow, though. Hard to imagine an internet person having that as a legit reaction to pressure. But I know I'm not the best person to evaluate it. And you're kind of enough to keep me from getting to excited about it tbh.-
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You're saying you thought he was town JK pre-claim, but you called him scum anyway...?
Yes, after they had already claimed JK you shifted gears and no longer pushed Ansuz town anymore. There's obviously no reason for scum to pressure Ansuz any more after he's already claimed.-
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It's not even true that I didn't acknowledge that you changed your tune eventually, not that that is at all relevant to anything except that you either cannot read or are REALLY trying to reframe my words:In post 554, Iecerint wrote:No, that is not what you said.You said that Ansuz was scumuntil waaaaay late into D2, when he had already claimed and stuff-
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The point is that Majiffy's defense of hiplop doesn't make sense for the reasons you just articulated. He has also misrepresented the character of his hiplop defense in the previous page in an effort to discredit me.In post 565, RachMarie wrote:What kind of case are peeps having on Jiffy?
Also I understand why Des and Nacho were pushing for Hiplop being scum based on the jailing, and a no NK, and I have to admit it seems odd that scum tried to kill Hiplop of all the peeps in the game, but yeah no way that Jiffy would go for that as a target so even more likely he is town.-
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(The only other possible parsing I can see is that you thought I was saying you said that Ansuz was town-culted late D2. Which, I don't think anyone would infer that by default.)-
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Last I said I wanted Majiffy to clarify how he'd misparsed what I'd said, but I don't think that content was lost.-
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Someone else can answer for him if it's ridiculously obvious and I just can't figure it out.-
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Oh, like, without the "when" clause modifying when late in D2 I meant. OK, I can understand that.
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From what other people have said, Zek seems like mislynch bait, so I think that scum going for him at this point would make sense. The fact that Majiffy is the one who came out with it made me think Zek was more likely to be town.
I'm not as sure about Majiffy scum right now because I think he showed evidence that he was reading my posts and actually trying to figure out what I was saying, rather than just misconstrue my posts into something scummy. So that makes me less sure about Zek as mislynch target, because I think Maj was the only one to really push for him for the first several rl days of D3 IIRC. If Majiffy is town, I think scum would have jumped on that sooner. So that makes me lean Zek-Scum.
If Zek does flip town, I think Espe looks relatively good for scum based on D3. Would need to look at D1/D2 again to feel secure about this.-
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Reading over Espe and Zekrom has taught me pretty important things, like that Espe is French Achilles. ^^; And I think Zek is maybe a little more likely town again.
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Well, reading through Zekrom games isn't super helpful. He is lynched D1, modkilled, or replaces out in every completed game I can find. I thought I foundonetwothree exceptions, but then I noticed that he replaced in late-game on all of those occasions shortly before being lynched or the game ending.
Zek, do you have anycompletedgames on the site where you made an appreciable number of posts, ideally one of each alignment?-
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He actually has a surprising number of completed games, but the ones I found are all like the above.
It's possible some other ones are completed if the mods didn't update the names of the games (i.e., I only looked at games whose titles included Game Over).-
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@ DV -- He's just embarrassed and wants to save face, OR he is slightly crazy and actually thinks it was obvious to him due to total shame. Probably town either way.-
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I agree that D2 Mhork is interpretable as scum, but I don't think D3 scumMhork has any reason to pretend that JK was obvious to him (e.g., it's not like his cluelessness really led people to attack him), whereas townMhork has had a whole day to feel deeply embarrassed and explain his bad behavior to himself.In post 603, DeasVail wrote:I get that, but I think that it may be him being scum that was influencing his reaction yesterday (I do have my own reasons for thinking this though), and that he's actually trying to pretend that he's in the know now.
I guess to clarify. Obviously yesterday, scum knew that hiplop was town, so it would be easy for Mhork as scum to go on about how ridiculous the wagon is, especially if other scumbuddies are on the wagon.
Basically, I think it is more likely that Mhork is lying to himself than to us.-
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There is no reason for an investigative role to full-claim D2. That is the reason why Ansuz did not full-claim D2. Please re-evaluate how you play the game.
The only reason to force a full-claim on an investigative role D2 is if you think the person is making a stupid gambit as town (that means faking a guilty, not following-up on a track/watch/JK result), or you think the person is scum.-
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