1542: Book of Shadows Vol. 1 ~ Game Over

ProHawk · Post Post #13 (isolation #0) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:27 am

VOTE: Nero Cain

We started in the night phrase.

ProHawk · Post Post #15 (isolation #1) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:39 am

That we started in the night phrase.

ProHawk · Post Post #136 (isolation #2) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:01 pm

Hrmmm, I don't think Titus is town, but I want to get on a wagon.

VOTE: D3x

ProHawk · Post Post #139 (isolation #3) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:14 pm

I thought you liked wagons Titus...

ProHawk · Post Post #141 (isolation #4) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:21 pm

Play Panzy now? D3x is just as likely to be scum as you. I just think you are trying too hard.

ProHawk · Post Post #196 (isolation #5) » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:28 am

D3x, am I scum? Are you scum?

Who is kthxbye?

ProHawk · Post Post #197 (isolation #6) » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:30 am

In post 150, Wisdom wrote:Why isn't Titus town?
Why do you want to get on a wagon instead of voting Titus if you don't think she is town?
Do you think D3x is scum or not? Why?

Why is Titus town?
Titus isn't a wagon and I don't have the energy to push atm.
The jury is still out on D3x, lets get more into the day and ask me again.

ProHawk · Post Post #245 (isolation #7) » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:41 pm

In post 201, Titus wrote: You are the one saying I am not town. You have to explain yourself. You don't get to throw mud and then just attack everyone who townreads me.

Why don't you have the energy to even type why I am scum?

Why are you fenceshitting on D3x? There's plenty of content there for you to make up your mind.

I did, I said you're trying too hard. Wagons are the key to a scums demise.

Nacho, I got your joke although I am sad it appears you got nothing from it.

In post 205, d3x wrote: @Hawk- I'm leaning that way, but my Vote is staying put. I am not Scum, what do you gain from this answer? Kthx is a player in this game. What are your thoughts on his contributions thus far. Why are you dancing around your own answer?

I gain: A

witty

response that my question sucked. I don't remember kthx even speaking, therefore is a non-player. Why are you so interested in him? I rather enjoy dancing.

Wisdom ~ Just how I feel like playing at the moment. Things may change, they may not. My question answered your question. I do not see anything strikingly town from Titus, therefore she may not be town. Do you think she is?

Lurking...

- I am working on helping mine, Are you helping your alignment Hanzo? Tell me more about kthxbye Hanzo.

Pro-Tip: Votes serve other purposes than "applying pressure".

ProHawk · Post Post #246 (isolation #8) » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:44 pm

In post 208, Imperium wrote:Willing to help you out with the wagon though to see what comes of it.

And you said you didn't like me Tammy!?!

ProHawk · Post Post #293 (isolation #9) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:50 am

Humm, I dunno Tammy, when you tell me it was Nachos find/joke, I generally tend to believe you. Did I miss the invisible sarcasm/lie tags? I'm on a wagon Tammy! Maybe you should tell me why you don't like me.

Wisdom, convince me that Titus is town please.

D3x - I am not done with you. Why have you not filé'd my BS on a stick like Hanzo seems to be stuck on? I don't like how you are stuck on a non-player, likely to be replaced. kthxbye disappears, who is next?

Hanzo, the only thing I dodge is bullets, or warlocks in this case!. And I am sorry, really really sorry you don't get my questions. Unless you are scum, and all bets are off.

ProHawk · Post Post #362 (isolation #10) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:24 pm

Titus, said player will be replaced with someone more active. If they are prod-dodging/doing what he just did, then we can give him more attention. In fact I actually concede, his (kthxbye) unvote was actually pretty scummy. Allow me to be a little less succinct in my read on you.

Read your ISO. You are the highest poster in this game. You are the good little townie (wolf in sheeps clothing). Your play here is very question oriented, but not really accusatory, like you aren't making attacks. In my experience with the town-you, you had absolutely no problem coming out and accusing someone of being scum for a decent reason and engaging said person. Here...

You RVS vote.
You vote Nero for being a stick in the mud.
You back off of a vote.
You vote Smudger for being pedantic which then later evolved relating him to me.

Also, when you say things like...

In post 168, Titus wrote: You know my quote, as I have said it here,
meta is irrelevant

And then use self-meta to paint me as scum...

In post 294, Titus wrote: It sounds like you planned on scumreading me from the start
because I am frequently lynched early on.

What makes you think I have a clue you get lynched early on? Like I actually get the first part because yeah from the way I had been posting it really does look that way, but the second part makes zero sense whatsoever.

Re: Me being a leader... Already answered. But now I have a question for you. How do you play scum?

ProHawk · Post Post #374 (isolation #11) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:40 pm

Tammy, I was pointing out that I was doing the exact same thing you do - Helpin out a Wagon. Which should at least get your sympathy considering its your cup of tea. And I've got my scum-reads you just don't realize em yet. Whoever is talking, probably Nacho because he has a tendency to do so is actually starting to piss me off. How about you just push my lynch so we can really get into it.

VOTE: Titus

kthx is prob scum as well, but I refuse to go there because Imperium is a dick.

ProHawk · Post Post #385 (isolation #12) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:53 pm

In post 380, Hanzo_5 wrote:@ProHawk, change your vote back. we are going to lynch you or nero tomorrow if I have my way so just do town and favor and buss you scumbuddy.

You are very persuasive.... lemme think about that one second... yeah. NO.

Its a love-hate relationship Nacho/Tammy/Imperium.

ProHawk · Post Post #387 (isolation #13) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:54 pm

I will think about joining the kthxbye wagon. Didn't like his unvote, and I really don't like his and Hanzo's call of witches=scum but still need to sort out if its a legit-scum slip or not.

ProHawk · Post Post #388 (isolation #14) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:55 pm

In post 386, Hanzo_5 wrote:
In post 381, Imperium wrote:ou should probably adjust to not getting what you want.
I will continue to push my lynchees until they get lynched.

Or lynching useless-town amirite? lol.

ProHawk · Post Post #400 (isolation #15) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:16 pm

In post 393, serrapaladin wrote:
In post 301, Hanzo_5 wrote:Useless-town is always a safe lynch in my book but its safe for everyone involved(innocents and witches).
This might be a scumslip, pending mala's choice of flavour.

Tell me more Serra, I am battling with the same.

ProHawk · Post Post #404 (isolation #16) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:31 pm

In post 313, Hanzo_5 wrote:@Titus, in the sample role pm on the first page kit is depicted as allied with town. Charmed Ones and Innocents. I associate "witch" with bad. Since they get there power from the devil. As far as the game is concerned which=scum and scum=witch. I could be wrong about who is what in the flavor.

This is your explanation of why its not a scum-slip?

Word choice? Can you link to a game, any game in which you called scum a witch?

ProHawk · Post Post #407 (isolation #17) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:40 pm

So kthx's not reading the thread but stopping by to check the vote-count doesn't bother you at all?

ProHawk · Post Post #409 (isolation #18) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:42 pm

In post 406, serrapaladin wrote:
In post 400, ProHawk wrote:
In post 393, serrapaladin wrote:
In post 301, Hanzo_5 wrote:Useless-town is always a safe lynch in my book but its safe for everyone involved(innocents and witches).
This might be a scumslip, pending mala's choice of flavour.
Tell me more Serra, I am battling with the same.
I'm not sure I can say much before we've had some flips/claims...

I can tell you this. In my flavor, it specifically states that the Charmed Ones are witches. Does that change your viewpoint any?

ProHawk · Post Post #416 (isolation #19) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:50 pm

har har Hanzo. Past game please.

Serra. Let me spell it out a little more clearly.

The way I see it, scum know alignments. Town no so much. If you were away for a while and came back to the game, where would you skim first? Vote-count? Recent-posts? Start where you left off?

From a town point of view, everyone else has an equal chance of being scum, so why worry if a wagon was high on someone regardless of having read the thread or not? If you are town, why worry about where the wagons are at before you get a handle on what is going on in the game?

From a scum point of view, you would know what implications your vote would have should that person get lynched while you were away. I see way more motivation to get off a leading wagon as scum than town.

ProHawk · Post Post #419 (isolation #20) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:53 pm

Serra, I am also concerned that you caught Hanzo's maybe scum-slip but missed entirely kthx's scum-slip which was more readily visible IMO, and are providing resistance to him being scum-read.

P-EDIT: Then why refer to them as such here? You must have an idea to the flavor in that case, but are trying to talk your way out of your slip by making it seem like you are using an acronym for scum when you have never done-so in the past. THAT sir is flailing.

ProHawk · Post Post #428 (isolation #21) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:07 pm

RIGHT! Synonym, noun, verb.

Beautiful discred with the grammar slip tho. Kudos.

ProHawk · Post Post #429 (isolation #22) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:08 pm

In post 424, serrapaladin wrote:As town, I wouldn't want to keep my vote on a lynchwagon that I joined randomly,

Why?

ProHawk · Post Post #455 (isolation #23) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:00 pm

In post 443, Titus wrote:He's pretty much just randomly attacking everyone and having major vote dissonance.

If I had 3x day-vig shots, I would just shoot you all instead.

ProHawk · Post Post #478 (isolation #24) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:44 am

In post 475, Kthxbye wrote:not to mention the possible slip

Yup, this dude is scum.

VOTE: kthxbye

ProHawk · Post Post #535 (isolation #25) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:33 pm

Oh the self-righteousness in this thread is sickening, ya know with people saying they want to lynch town, and then people self-voting/ wanting to self hammer, its also ironic.

In post 492, Titus wrote:What's more telling is that ProHawk thinks that being a dick is a reason to avoid a wagon.

The only telling thing about this is I am being honest about the social game this is. Relationships DO play an integral role in votes and lynches. Some people will admit to it, others will hide behind the win-con argument, but the aspect still remains whether you are in denial or not.

In post 494, Kthxbye wrote:To the rest of the town, get your comments in while you can, I self hammer before bed tonight.

See ya tonight!

Oh goody, another one of these players.

In post 503, Kthxbye wrote:The only way I don't self hammer tonight is if the wagon switches from me to ProHawk. Will not vote anyone else today.

Ook, getting even better.

In post 504, Kthxbye wrote:...before I hammer tonight. I won't wait on them, but it'd be nice to get their thoughts before the day ends.

Got the threat the first time.

In post 529, Kthxbye wrote:
Looks like I won't be self-hammering tonight due to Wisdom's unvote.

But, I'll allow someone else to hammer with

VOTE: kthxbye

Aww man! Wisdom didn't let you self-hammer AND you were late for bed by an hour.

But really, joking aside, you haven't even read my posts. You have no clue why my vote was on d3x. I wasn't pushing him, not even in the slightest. By all means, do now go read my posts and find where I was pushing for d3x to hit L-1.

Addressing my read on you, I felt your unvote on d3x following your hiatus had a good deal of scum-motivation behind it which originally caught my attention. I already explained my reasoning, and you/others may not agree, but I am not generally a scum-hunt by the book kinda player which often gets good results, other-times not so much. You saying I needed to test the waters before voting you was a little funny considering you already had backing for your lynch both votes and vocal support before I started doubting you. The real kicker was you piggy-backing on others and saying I had this supposed slip which screamed scum.

Clouded by all of this anti-town AtE, I think I will be forever shrouded in conf-bias. I think you're scum dude.

ProHawk · Post Post #549 (isolation #26) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:39 am

Fish, all the scum-dudes are at eachothers throats and not pushing town? Bet you think you got this game in the bag huh?

ProHawk · Post Post #551 (isolation #27) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:46 am

When was the last time you used that strategy as scum Titus?

ProHawk · Post Post #553 (isolation #28) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:11 am

Well, I know for a fact one is wrong. And all you are talking about is WIFOM. The only safe place in not to turn on eachother if they are "going down" the safe place is to spread WIFOM as far as the eye can see, not implicate their partner by placing them in the limelight. But that's okay, it doesn't sound like you are a very strategic scum anyhow.

ProHawk · Post Post #554 (isolation #29) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:12 am

Wait, wait, wait, you didn't even answer my question. When was the last time your ENTIRE scum-team self-bussed D1?

ProHawk · Post Post #572 (isolation #30) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:02 am

In post 555, Titus wrote:My scumteams don't suck that bad to get in that situation where it would apply.

And do you believe I suck that bad? You have played in a game with me prior to this one.

ProHawk · Post Post #603 (isolation #31) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:59 pm

In post 542, Messiah Complex wrote:I think that you are scummy and I am giving INTENT TO HAMMER...hammer...hammer...hammer.

In post 584, Kthxbye wrote:Since I'm not getting hammered yet
UNVOTE:
VOTE: ProHawk

I swear, if we don't lynch this today... I freaking swear. You are so FAKE! Your AtE was fabricated and fake. Your role claim was fake and designed for you to survive a lynch. And you were crumbing to out the real cop.

By the way. Nice work ignoring my case on you even after you specifically asked for it.

ProHawk · Post Post #609 (isolation #32) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:20 pm

Hey Cry-Baby, your threats don't scare me.

What happened to my "scum-slip"? What happened to you not even reading my posts? You are HEAVY into VCA because it works, which makes your unvote that much worse (yes I have been doing some digging). All sounds comment worthy to me, but you just want to brush it under the rug. Why is that?

ProHawk · Post Post #612 (isolation #33) » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:44 pm

Right, cause you don't hunt off of scum-posts amirite? But really, you don't actually care if I am town or scum. I HAVE PROVED YOU HAVENT EVEN READ MY POSTS.

In post 475, Kthxbye wrote:ProHawk for reasons I already pointed out
(not to mention the possible slip

ProHawk · Post Post #641 (isolation #34) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:58 am

In post 256, Wisdom wrote:
In post 245, ProHawk wrote:I do not see anything strikingly town from Titus, therefore she may not be town. Do you think she is?
"I don't think Titus is town" and "I have not seen anything town from Titus" are completely different. The first implies you saw something scummy and you think she might be scum. The second just means she is null.

In post 638, Wisdom wrote:Just sheeping Nacho, I don't see anything to make me think serra is town anyway

This just makes me go hum...

ProHawk · Post Post #649 (isolation #35) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:17 am

In post 647, pirate mollie wrote:when he is scum he is more cranky (keep away from meeeeee!!1!) and generalised. I am getting a whiff of eau de scum.

Lol, name one scum game you have seen me in.

ProHawk · Post Post #657 (isolation #36) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:24 pm

Don't take all night researching my scum-games, none of which you were in Mollie.

ProHawk · Post Post #659 (isolation #37) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:15 pm

Wisdom, whats the deal with the double standard?

ProHawk · Post Post #661 (isolation #38) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:35 pm

"I don't think Titus is town"
"I have not seen anything town from Titus"
"I don't see anything to make me think serra is town"

All three of those kinda mean the same thing to me... anyone else? Maybe it's just me...

ProHawk · Post Post #711 (isolation #39) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:29 am

In post 693, Wisdom wrote: But what is the scum motivation of claiming VT after having crumbed cop?

Claim cop... die with a counter claim.
Claim VT and AtE the hell out of the thread... free up your wagon and live, with a potential to out the cop later with a "Hey guys, I lied to trick scum".

Wisdom, how about you tell me what you think about how kthxbye is treating me, which boils down to ---> scum, scum, scum, ignore, ignore, ignore, kill, kill, kill.

Does that sound like someone who hates D1? To have such a strong read that he will conf. bias to the point that he won't even refute arguments?

MOLLIE! Why are you lying about me?

ProHawk · Post Post #713 (isolation #40) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:36 am

Scum don't tunnel. Is that what you are telling me?

ProHawk · Post Post #715 (isolation #41) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:42 am

I am going to count the number of town games he has tunneled as town and get back to you, and I am also going to quote his sentiments about D1 stuffs.

ProHawk · Post Post #720 (isolation #42) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:06 am

I figured it was obvious from my posts, but that is not a correct interpretation of my scum game Mollie. How about you now answer my question.

ProHawk · Post Post #722 (isolation #43) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:21 am

Absolutely disagree, skype and forum are two entirely different ballgames. I am a much better scum-player in the forum than I am on Skype, not to mention I don't even understand what you are saying about the "get away from me" thing. Go look at my scum games.

ProHawk · Post Post #725 (isolation #44) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:35 am

I find it weird that you think I am scum when you aren't familiar at all with my scum game.

ProHawk · Post Post #726 (isolation #45) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:36 am

EBWOP: Find it weird that you think I am scum (because: meta) when you aren't familiar at all with my scum game.

Which aspects exactly do you think transfer over Mollie?

ProHawk · Post Post #760 (isolation #46) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:16 am

In post 590, Hanzo_5 wrote:I intend to hammer anyone on my mafdar with my vote.

In post 576, Hanzo_5 wrote: What's up with this poor maf play?

SCUM

d3x
Nero Cain
Pro Hawk

In post 640, Hanzo_5 wrote:To be more clear i see serra as null-fanboy.

I realize those posts are in opposite chronological order.

Hanzo, I didn't see where Serra fell into your mafdar. In fact, the last thing I found you sayin about Serra was he was a null-fanboy. If you think that acting like you aren't scared to hammer anyone makes you town you are barking up the wrong tree, kinda like your idea that someone who is "willing" to self-hammer equates to town.

ProHawk · Post Post #809 (isolation #47) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:00 am

VOTE: Wisdom

ProHawk · Post Post #813 (isolation #48) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:11 am

In post 812, Hanzo_5 wrote:Did you want kthnxbye to self hammer?

I did. I think he was bluffing.

WISDOM! I think you might be scum dude.

ProHawk · Post Post #838 (isolation #49) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:47 pm

In post 837, Imperium wrote:wisdom wagon is helladumb and everyone on his wagon should move to serrapaladin.

I don't typically like sweeping/insulting statements like these, but I will take a deeper look at Serra and provide my analysis, we should be getting to the point of wrapping down our final choice soon.

ProHawk · Post Post #841 (isolation #50) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:15 am

You are implying that my reasoning that Wisdom is dumb and meaningless, which I obviously disagree with ~ still havent had time to delve properly, it will be done today tho.

ProHawk · Post Post #1055 (isolation #51) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:24 pm

So... I lied about having time to do stuff. Pretty much just skimmed what I had missed and it seems like a lot, but first impressions are I don't think Nero-scum would pull the day-vig thing, I don't get why Mollie called me scum but isn't pushing for me to get lynched, and I still think Wisdom has a good chance of being scum/didn't like the bowing-down to Imperium.

What happened to Serra?

ProHawk · Post Post #1058 (isolation #52) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:33 pm

Oh yeah, and kthxbye needs rope. kthx.

ProHawk · Post Post #1113 (isolation #53) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:52 am

In post 1104, Kthxbye wrote: ProHawk
can't even keep straight who he thinks is scum
and completely forgot he was pushing me as number 1 when the tides turned to others. This has scum written all over it.

Did anyone honestly think my post meant I had forgotten I had a scum-read on kthx?

If you stretch any further kthx, you might just grow a few inches...

ProHawk · Post Post #1118 (isolation #54) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:07 am

In post 1116, Wisdom wrote:Prohawk, is there a reason you're not saying a word about the mollie wagon?

Yes, I have a lot of evaluating to do, but I did comment on Mollie earlier. I think there is a likely chance she is scum given her play, especially regarding voting patterns.

ProHawk · Post Post #1120 (isolation #55) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:08 am

Yes Sir. Wisdom sir!

ProHawk · Post Post #1122 (isolation #56) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:43 am

So... here is what I am getting for a case on Serra according to Imperium: If I have missed anything, please LMK.

Posts Wall-Fillers
Fence Sitting on D3x
Meta: Scum-Serra Moves with the Flow
Voted for Imperium ("On a joke and tried to spin it as nothing")
Scare-Quoting?
Blathering?
Trying to justify a scum-read (MC)
Lack of Scum-hunting

Imperium, reading an ISO of Serra doesn't actually scream scum to me. I don't have much experience with Serra, so I can't attest to his meta-or playstyle, but I get the feeling that he is doing his own form of analysis and game following. I think you are blowing things a bit out of proportion with your back and forth walls with him. I don't see the blathering. Your point about him voting you for your joke is actually interesting on a re-read because

he wasn't the only one

.

I want you to go evaluate the two people that voted you for that joke. Because scum is more likely to act like Wisdom did (quietly backing off without causing too much commotion), rather than how Serra did (pressing the point and calling more attention to said joke and himself).

ProHawk · Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:00 am

Here is my problem with voting Mollie, and why I have been pretty hesitant:

There are a total of 6 players who have either voiced opinions of my lynch, said they would support it, or have voted for me (Imperium, Wisdom, kthxbye, NeroCain, MC, and Hanzo) Her vote would be the seventh needed to lynch me, so there was more than enough support for her to "follow-through".

The Mantis-Vote makes ZERO sense, unless she has given up and is trying to throw as much WIFOM into the game before her flip, which may be the case. Regardless, I don't think she is a bad lynch given her content thus-far, but I feel like Wisdom has a much higher chance of flipping scum.

ProHawk · Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:20 am

Wisdom ~

What tipped me off to Wisdom scum was him calling me out for thinking Titus might be scum for not seeing anything town from her and then later on in the thread doing the exact same thing to vote for Serra even though he apparently thinks such reasoning is "null".

If you take an overall look at his ISO, he isn't getting in the middle of anything controversial, and has been extremely compromising. It is a very scum-safe play overall.

P-EDIT: Thats the point - She DIDN'T go after her stated target.

ProHawk · Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:56 am

I will get specific in a bit Wisdom, don'tcha worry.

Not sure why you are connecting Wisdom scum with yourself being scum Titus?

ProHawk · Post Post #1155 (isolation #60) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:48 am

Tell me how you feel about Mollie KTHXBYE.

ProHawk · Post Post #1171 (isolation #61) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:30 am

Mollie, why are you ignoring me?

ProHawk · Post Post #1176 (isolation #62) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:41 am

In post 1173, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1171, ProHawk wrote:Mollie, why are you ignoring me?
Useless empty question
mollie is ignoring everyone, not just you, and she said why.

Not a useless question. I am one of the few who presented an argument in her favor of being town.

But I can see why you would argue that I make useless and empty questions, scum-dog.

ProHawk · Post Post #1193 (isolation #63) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:38 am

In post 1187, Kthxbye wrote:no cares to being lynched (as seen by your posting about nobody listening). Thing is, there isn't any content to listen too hun. I really do <3 you though. If you flip town, like I think you will, you kinda brought this on yourself.

Oh the Irony!

ProHawk · Post Post #1196 (isolation #64) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:45 am

In post 1178, Wisdom wrote:Why are you expecting her to not ignore you when she is ignoring the people who are about to lynch her?

Umm, I dunno, maybe to try to work with someone who is actually trying to figure her out instead of ignoring them.

kthx has been extremely anti-town this entire day, please do not let him live remotely close to end-game.

Wisdom, I am still working on my detailed analysis of you which will have to wait until tomorrow unless I get it done before the thread locks.

ProHawk · Post Post #1199 (isolation #65) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:00 am

How so Hanzo? I would argue YOU have been more anti-town than myself by avoiding VCA in the future with your... "I WANT THE HAMMER BUT NOT A WAGON VOTE!"

ProHawk · Post Post #1203 (isolation #66) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:27 am

What haven't I been forthcoming about discussing? I think I have explained everything up to this point.

ProHawk · Post Post #1205 (isolation #67) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:35 am

Nope, but I think you failed to realize that I wasn't dodging as much as being cryptic, but I for one generally like to keep my cards close. Its just how I chose to play. What about it makes me anti-town?

ProHawk · Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:27 am

My understanding of Wisdom's case is a big pile of you suck along with Prohawk makes crappy cases.

ProHawk · Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:05 pm

In post 1237, notscience wrote:Prohawk how would you feel if I told you I had a gun and intend to shoot you tonight

I would say you never miss with the gun, so my town flip would absolutely be mod-error.

ProHawk · Post Post #1251 (isolation #70) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:38 pm

I wouldn't expect you to understand my response, as it wasn't directed at you kthxbye. Maybe you should get your head out of your rear-end and actually do some analysis instead of hop back onto your conf-bias from D1.

ProHawk · Post Post #1253 (isolation #71) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:58 pm

Want me to go find one? One instance will prove your entire statement false.

ProHawk · Post Post #1256 (isolation #72) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:05 pm

In post 504, Kthxbye wrote:
When I flip town
, what will that mean for your opinion of d3x?

In post 497, Kthxbye wrote:Calm Hanzo, I never claimed cop. Thus there will be no counter claim. I'm VT and I'm an Inspector flavor wise only. It IS a crap wagon, but the rest of town won't see how obv it is the ProHawk is scum
until I flip town.
It's ok brah.

L O freaking L

VOTE: kthxbye

There is no way this thing can be town.

ProHawk · Post Post #1257 (isolation #73) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:06 pm

Nero, have kill flavors ever meant anything?

ProHawk · Post Post #1261 (isolation #74) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:14 pm

Isn't poison normally delayed?

ProHawk · Post Post #1263 (isolation #75) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:18 pm

So why would someone die with poison?

ProHawk · Post Post #1265 (isolation #76) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:26 pm

So that makes what kind of difference again?

ProHawk · Post Post #1266 (isolation #77) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:27 pm

And no, when does not equal if. Nice try.

ProHawk · Post Post #1268 (isolation #78) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:30 pm

Whoops! Forgot about starting in the night... but you thinking I am scum for that is actually dense. Unless you think I mentioned it intentionally.

ProHawk · Post Post #1298 (isolation #79) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:32 am

Technically, he lynched himself.

ProHawk · Post Post #1299 (isolation #80) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:33 am

I am surprised at how quickly the wagon moved, which generally isn't a good sign, although a portion of it was spurred on by himself.

ProHawk · Post Post #1303 (isolation #81) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:39 am

I'm a moron, and yet you voted to lynch yourself? I'm not convinced you are town, although as either alignment your play is moronic. If you are town, this is probably just a meta setup game so that you can pull this dumb crap again as scum and point back to this game.

ProHawk · Post Post #1306 (isolation #82) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:45 am

Hanzo, please outline your thought process here.

ProHawk · Post Post #1309 (isolation #83) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:54 am

In post 1307, Kthxbye wrote:OMG, I laughed so hard at this I almost peed myself. Welcome to my never-playing-with-these-complete-idiots-in-MS-again list. You are so bad it's not even funny.

The feeling is mutual brother.

ProHawk · Post Post #1336 (isolation #84) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:49 pm

VOTE: notscience

His silence was not good yesterday.

ProHawk · Post Post #1345 (isolation #85) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:06 pm

Hanzo, are you arguing that people who mis-lynch should also be lynched?

ProHawk · Post Post #1352 (isolation #86) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:38 pm

In post 1349, Hanzo_5 wrote:@Pro Hawk, I am arguing that he lead a myslynch on someone he claimed to be able to read very well. And that he is likely scum because of it.

What about kthxbye did you find town exactly? And what about d3x's case did you find faulty?

Did you ever stop for one second to actually think about why the activity of notscience differs from the activity of serra?

Ever hear of a thing called safe-claims?

ProHawk · Post Post #1354 (isolation #87) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:49 pm

In post 1353, serrapaladin wrote:prohawk's notsci vote is bad, though perhaps understandable if we consider I was a much less prolific poster than notsci in the period leading up to the mollie lynch.

Let me just stop this crap in its tracks.

Notsci was on-site during the time the day was open. You weren't.

ProHawk · Post Post #1362 (isolation #88) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:16 pm

In post 1356, serrapaladin wrote:
In post 1354, ProHawk wrote:
In post 1353, serrapaladin wrote:prohawk's notsci vote is bad, though perhaps understandable if we consider I was a much less prolific poster than notsci in the period leading up to the mollie lynch.
Let me just stop this crap in its tracks.

Notsci was on-site during the time the day was open. You weren't.
How'd you know?

Just ask.

ProHawk · Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:11 pm

Lets hear it MC.

ProHawk · Post Post #1427 (isolation #90) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:33 pm

VOTE: shrimp

Haven't liked notsci's pickup from Mantis, and mantis' calling me town may have been off D1. Need to do some more analysis tho.

ProHawk · Post Post #1479 (isolation #91) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:38 am

In post 1445, scienceshrimp wrote:Hey, Prohawk, if you're willing to unvote for a bit and chat with me about smudger you might realize the mislynch you're helping him push, but whatever. Let me know, I'll be waiting

Why do I have to unvote to chat? What is your case on Smudger?

In post 1463, Titus wrote: Drunken scum slip. Smudger's a goon with a Prue fakeclaim.

Finally, my gut scum read D1 finally gets some merit for being scum.

ProHawk · Post Post #1561 (isolation #92) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:36 pm

Going to try to catch up from Valentines Day, may not get to this game tonight, but will be soon.

ProHawk · Post Post #1568 (isolation #93) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:52 pm

In post 1483, Titus wrote:@ProHawk, yeah my scumread on you was wrong and it blocked me from seeing Smudger.

Not at all what I had meant, although I see how my comment was mis-interpreted (I wasn't very clear). You pushing Smudger's drunk post as a scum-slip is scummy, and it validates my D1 gut read on you.

In post 1496, scienceshrimp wrote:Show of faith. Basically so I know I'm not just talking to a wall and you're willing to talk about what's the issue I've seen with Smudger since I've replaced in.

Okay, I can do that. Mostly because my scum-read on you at this point is gut from NotSci's absence during the quick-lynch despite being around. AND the fact that NS asked me a deliberate question but failed to comment or remark on said question (which I took as him asking to get me to read him as town) But I actually think Smudger is town, what are you seeing with Smudger?

UNVOTE:

In post 1564, scienceshrimp wrote:i have to talk to ns.. but i kind of liked desp's post 1544. ns, what do you think of it?

What part of the post did you like?

I will get to your case MC after I get a response from Mantis.

ProHawk · Post Post #1610 (isolation #94) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:35 pm

Titus has your read changed on Shrimp?

ProHawk · Post Post #1613 (isolation #95) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:30 am

In post 1611, Messiah Complex wrote:What happened to your response to my case?

Didn't have time to get to it, but its coming Mr Balls.

ProHawk · Post Post #1616 (isolation #96) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:47 am

In post 1544, Messiah Complex wrote:her interactions with ProHawk (mainly ProHawk > Titus) look like scum/scum and we don't think the mollie wagon was 100% town.

Can you elaborate on which interactions look scum-scum? Also, your statement is off considering your vote and talking about me considering I wasn't on the Mollie wagon. If you are really wanting to know if the Mollie wagon was 100% town, why are you voting me over Titus?

In post 1572, serrapaladin wrote:Did you ever say how you're sure about this, because I remember checking and he didn't post on-site during that day?

I told you to ask him, but you never did. What do you think about him not even addressing it?

In post 1577, Smudger wrote:the correct course today is lynch Titus or the shrimps.

Completely agree.

In post 1584, Nero Cain wrote:why do you think the words "goon stop posting" are there?

No clue. My guess is he meant to say "been drinking gonna stop posting" which is the logical explanation, but I will say that the chance of him saying goon if he were a goon are slim to none despite being drunk. See Titus as scum would take that and make it into something its not because its easy to push.

My PoE pile is between shrimp, Titus, and MC. Has to be at least one scum in that pile, if not two.

ProHawk · Post Post #1617 (isolation #97) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:22 am

VOTE: shrimp

Mantis' defense of Mollie considering her scum-flip and Wisdom's town flip looks real-bad.

In post 233, Mantisdreamz wrote:this is silly wisdom

Spoiler:
In post 149, Wisdom wrote:Ok, it's as I thought.
These are all my games with mollie:

Chosen - town mollie, serious beginning mollie.
Diffusion - town mollie, serious beginning mollie.
Duck Duck Goose - town mollie, serious beginning mollie.
Popcorn -
scum mollie, trolling beginning mollie.

Polygamist - town mollie, serious beginning mollie.
Gonzo - town mollie, serious beginning mollie.
Perpetual - scum mollie, serious beginning mollie (arguably not as serious).
Monks and Masons - town mollie, serious beginning mollie.
Hidden Temple -
scum mollie, trolling beginning mollie.

Castle - town mollie, serious beginning mollie.
Wacky Hospital - town mollie, serious beginning mollie.
Chain of Command - town mollie, semi-serious beginning mollie (She and Nacho - but mainly Nacho - trolled around a bit, but still mollie is not trolling like this game or like the other games where she trolled).

The only two times she began by trolling she was scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mollie

And before the "omg meta is bad", this is not the only reason I am voting her. As I said before, I am getting bad vibes from her in general.

Mantis' town-read on me was because she agreed with me (this rarely happens), and there was no figuring out that I was town, I just was. It doesn't feel genuine to me.

Interesting that her replacement takes the exact same stance she did?

In post 1139, notscience wrote: Why are we wagoning mollie though <3

In post 1237, notscience wrote:Prohawk how would you feel if I told you I had a gun and intend to shoot you tonight

NS asks me this question, to which I respond, and get no reaction to my response. Again, it felt like a question to get me to read him based on past history, to remind me he is good at skype-popcorn-mafia.

The night action analysis was out of place because there was no conclusion, just a statement of events and thoughts that led nowhere. Fluff.

In post 1571, scienceshrimp wrote:prohawk, why do you ask which part of the post i like? were you concerned that i liked his take on you being scum? :p

what is your take on MC?

I never answered this. Yes actually, I wanted to see how opportunistic you would be, appears I tipped you off tho.

MC is in my scum pile, but judging on your interactions with Titus vs MC in addition to Titus' push on Smudger, and my gut D1-read I am leaning Titus scum. The only pause I have is MC pushing me over Titus which I cannot understand.

ProHawk · Post Post #1619 (isolation #98) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:28 am

Bring it on Shrimpy

ProHawk · Post Post #1629 (isolation #99) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:22 pm

In post 1622, scienceshrimp wrote:And prohawk that's the shittiest looking case I've seen from you

Your case was like 20x better in Cash Cabd and FEA

Dont get mad at me you guys drew scum.

ProHawk · Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:23 pm

In post 1620, scienceshrimp wrote:and only now you decide to vote on it? there's nothing new here

Right...

ProHawk · Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:54 pm

In post 1634, scienceshrimp wrote:Not mad, just speculating how your case in this game is total and utter bullshit versus the cases I've seen you do that are so bloody transparent

So my case is a heaping pile of cow-dung because it lacks transparency?

ProHawk · Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:54 am

In post 1653, Smudger wrote:Everyone else vote me please ad its the only way to prove I am right :
VOTE: Smudger

Don't tempt me Smudger, I HATE self voting. It should never come from town. Ever.

ProHawk · Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:52 am

MC, that was thousands of posts later, and since any competent scum has figured it out, I forgot because I didn't do anything.

Serra, Then vote the shrimps.

ProHawk · Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:15 pm

I would rather lynch shrimp over MC.

ProHawk · Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:21 pm

Haven't I said it already? He posted on site when the day was open. He was around, but chose not to say anything in the thread.

ProHawk · Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:21 pm

But that's not really why he is scum, that is just what drew my suspicion.

ProHawk · Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:21 pm

Isn't it funny how you call for Mastin, while towning Desp? Both of whom have expressed explicitly their scum-read of myself. Nero is universally town-read and your PoE comes down to Serra and PH (Both of whom have called you scum) and yet leave out Squirrel Girl.

This is what you call opportunistic.

Mantis, whats your case on me? Your flop and lack of trajectory is duly noted.

ProHawk · Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:26 pm

In post 1695, scienceshrimp wrote:there was no clear and genuine build up to you thinking that we were. it just came out of nowhere. and it was fake.
i think it was fake because it was if you just decided that "hey, this is the way to push, so im gonna do it"
and that's exactly how it came across

If you actually believed this, you would be putting the rope around your own neck. And the only way you could "KNOW" I am scum would be with a guilty, and I hadn't seen you claim any such thing. Care to?

And no, when I first presented my suspicion you weren't at all suspicious of me. In fact you were all "lets work together la la la". Now that I have the freaking scum-team pegged its easier for you to undermine my character so that when people see that I am actually town, you can refer back to "that lunatics crappy cases with no merit". But wanna know the best part? Neither you nor your other half have even

attempted

to refute my case. But I digress.

It must be too dumb to grant any sort of rebuttal. Amirite?

ProHawk · Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:55 am

What if ProHawk flips town?

ProHawk · Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:29 pm

In post 1698, scienceshrimp wrote:refute your case? you mean the really crappy shitty case that you presented? about how ns not posting in day 2, and both of us thinking mollie was town.. case??
so lame

Truth: You haven't actually even read my case.

You missed:

A) NS's question to me to which I responded, he didn't.
B) You calling me town and agreeing with me all of D1 for no good reason.
C) Your night-action analysis was a big ball of fluff.

In post 1698, scienceshrimp wrote: see the thing is with you, is that you have not even presented any other scum reads.
you are totally focused on us. and we are town. so can you see how it looks to me???

it's so bad.
why have you not done any process of elimination and narrowed down the scum team from that?
you haven't even given town reads.
i figure you haven't given town reads, because you want to keep your options open on who to fos next.

what are your thoughts on serra?

Truth: You aren't even reading my posts.

I have given scum-reads in You, Titus/Mastin, and MC and provided reasons why.
I have given town-reads in Smudger/his replacement. My feelings on Nero and Serra remain unchanged from my stance I had taken earlier in the game which both sit as town.

Want me to quote my posts as proof? You could always you know, do an ISO of me.

My Take: You only want to OMGUS push me and not put in the effort required to mis-lynch me. I think you are scum, mostly because of what I had said earlier. I MIGHT consider you town only because of your lack of work that you are putting into the game, but that may just be how you play scum.

ProHawk · Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:34 pm

In post 1616, ProHawk wrote:
In post 1544, Messiah Complex wrote:her interactions with ProHawk (mainly ProHawk > Titus) look like scum/scum and we don't think the mollie wagon was 100% town.
Can you elaborate on which interactions look scum-scum? Also, your statement is off considering your vote and talking about me considering I wasn't on the Mollie wagon. If you are really wanting to know if the Mollie wagon was 100% town, why are you voting me over Titus?

Desp, are you ignoring me because you are scum and are having a hard time answering this question? Or because you are just conf-biasing your way through my lynch?

ProHawk · Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:00 am

In post 1708, Squirrel Girl wrote:What am I overlooking?

Scum. They are both on my wagon.

ProHawk · Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:04 am

In post 1705, Messiah Complex wrote:I was actually ignoring that because you were responding to my case on Titus, not my case on you.

- Des

In post 1544, Messiah Complex wrote:
her interactions with ProHawk
(mainly ProHawk > Titus) look like scum/scum and we don't think the mollie wagon was 100% town.

I am trying to figure you out. This is you talking about a case on ME not on TITUS. Answer the question Desp and quit deflecting.

ProHawk · Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:35 am

Are we getting an extension?

ProHawk · Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:51 am

That sounds fair... didn't know we would be getting old posts back. I assume in that case posting now is pointless as they are going to be erased?

ProHawk · Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:11 am

Did you read my case before the post was erased Serra?

Basically, MC isn't responding to my questions. He wont explain why my interactions with Mollie are SCUM/SCUM. He won't explain why he wants to lynch me over Titus/Mastin but we are both scummy, I think there was another point in there too, but I would have to go digging through his ISO to find it again. His posts/effort in this game is spotty and not well thought out. I think he could be scum. He is in my PoE pool, but shrimps response to my push on them is absolutely scum. MC is the lowest on my list of potential scum.

ProHawk · Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:28 am

What reaction?

ProHawk · Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:47 am

I can tell you that that slot hasn't viewed Titus/Mastin as obv-town. NS himself said Titus was leaning town, not obv-town. So I am pretty sure its fake.

I guess I could see him buddying up to Mastin/Titus which would lead to MC-scum, but my conf-bias/would be cool if I was right puts Titus/Mastin > MC for me. In reality, they probably have about an equivalent chance of being scum.

ProHawk · Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:04 am

In post 1732, mastin2 wrote:Still thinking serra/ProHawk, but will get back to y'all later. Maybe tonight, but no promises.

Why are MC and Shrimp town?

ProHawk · Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:48 am

In post 1743, serrapaladin wrote:Intent to hammer

Are you freaking insane? Your logic for lynching me makes zero sense, and I will address it after I finish some family stuff.

Des, did you or did you not say my interaction with Mollie was scum/scum?

Squirrel, out of everyone playing, you call ME out for playing badly? Do expound.

ProHawk · Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:53 pm

In post 1752, Squirrel Girl wrote:it's you or him for the lynch today

Where do you get this from?

ProHawk · Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:33 pm

In post 1752, Squirrel Girl wrote:
In post 1749, ProHawk wrote:Squirrel, out of everyone playing, you call ME out for playing badly? Do expound.
I called everyone out equally and didn't call you out specifically for most of the bad play. I did call you out specifically for your lack of MC vote, why aren't you voting MC? Because...I'm pretty sure it's you or him for the lynch today since you aren't selling any other wagon, and at that stage why aren't you voting the player that isn't you? Do you think he's town? If you think he's town then it isn't bad play, but I didn't think you thought that.

The thing I don't get here is that you and Serra are beating this same drum that I am/haven't been selling any other wagon. BULL! I had been pushing for shrimps lynch for a looong time. Serra comes in and starts asking me all these questions about MC despite himself having expressed interest in lynching the shrimps. So I answer his questions about why I think MC could be scum and then BAM, ProHawk is scum because he has been pushing MC-scum (not true) but is unwilling to vote them.

Is it true that my voting MC would help me save myself? Yup, but thats not the game I am playing. I am trying to lynch scum, not save myself from being the lynch. Serra's intent to hammer was opportunistic. It absolutely dropped him down into my scum-pile. It wasn't too late to get another lynch, if the deadline would have been impending and no one was going to budge then I would have moved my vote.

scienceshrimp wrote:cause im on the fence with serra

If you think opportunism is scummy, why are you on the fence with Serra?

VOTE: Serra

ProHawk · Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:35 pm

Des, do you literally suck this much as town? Or is it a characteristic of your scum-game?

ProHawk · Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:07 pm

In post 1788, Messiah Complex wrote:Just so we're clear, the reason I "suck this much" is because I'm reading you as scum, right?

If by reading me as scum gives you the right to ignore me, then yes.

ProHawk · Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:29 am

Dont you even blame me for a no-lynch when people are sitting on their hands. The only vote I haven't moved to is MC because they are least likely to be scum. Why aren't people willing to vote for Shrimp or Serra? Take a WILD guess.

ProHawk · Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:45 pm

Squirrel, I think you are selling me on MC actually being scum here.

ProHawk · Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:04 pm

In post 1834, Mantisdreamz wrote:i believe he can read her really well.

So many games won (as scum) and lost (as town) because of the "He can read/she can read" argument.

ProHawk · Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:27 am

Why not MC Squirrel?

ProHawk · Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:43 am

Is it just the meta stuff you were going over?

ProHawk · Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:14 pm

Do explain Mastin. What about our discussion makes me the scum buddy?

ProHawk · Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:23 am

VOTE: Shrimp

Bueller.....Bueller....

ProHawk · Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:00 am

Nero still being alive also greatly concerns me. Who made post #1855?

ProHawk · Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:54 am

No, I said it concerns me, like, why would scum leave a confirmed-town alive, to the effect you had already speculated in your own post.

Also, thanks for confirming you were lurking NS.

ProHawk · Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:25 pm

Since when do I have to be voting someone to discuss something? And you're right, I hadn't put in any thought/research into WHY he was alive, I was just throwing my concern out there for future reference.

ProHawk · Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:15 am

In post 1887, mastin2 wrote:Also, I'm a she. Not a he.

Is this directed at me?

I will address your points when I have some time to explain some things to you.

In post 1890, Squirrel Girl wrote:@Scienceshrimp - I don't really see the point of that question

Fuel the fires. Which would indicate to me that both of you are town and shrimp is scum.

In post 1880, Squirrel Girl wrote:@ProHawk - can you address your lack of town eads this game and also expand on how you usually treat town reads and town hunting in other games? Also, unvote scienceshrimp and vote elsewhere, I really think he's probably town now, so with Mastin calling it as you or I the best you can do there is get Nero and MC to sheep you. And I think MC hates you. I don't think that wagon will go anywhere now.

Lack of town reads? It boils down to a lack of trust, I generally don't do town-hunting because I think its flawed, short of info-slipping or lack-there-of. My sort of town reads I just don't push. I understand the rationale behind what you are asking me to do (you seem to be a realist), but if scienceshrimp ends up being scum (and I am pretty sure they are) and I unvote them, then that greatly increases the chances of lynching town. Other half is pride.

Obviously I haven't gotten my point across well enough and I need to do some more digging and put in a lot more time to do so.

Biggest Issue this game: Hunting off meta (extremely weak), and not off of motivation/association (we have one scum-flip and multiple town-flips)

ProHawk · Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:57 am

Squirrel, I don't town hunt. Go look at my games.

I am getting the impression that you don't really have a case on why shrimp is likely town, could you expand here?

In post 1880, Squirrel Girl wrote:Also, unvote scienceshrimp and vote elsewhere, I really think he's probably town now, so with Mastin calling it as you or I the best you can do there is get Nero and MC to sheep you. And I think MC hates you. I don't think that wagon will go anywhere now.

This is actually the most probable explanation that the night-kill went where it did. I guarantee you scum falls in Shrimp, MC, Mastin. If shrimp wants to get rid of support for their lynch, who could they shoot? What concerns me about Mastin-scum is her push on you over me. It lacks opportunism. I am MUCH more mis-lynchable than you. Would scum-Mastin aim for the harder lynch when there is ample support for my lynch?

How much of D1 have you read Squirrel?

You said this about Mastin

In post 1894, Squirrel Girl wrote:Mastin isn't thinking things through at all

Which I completely agree with, but doesn't necessarily mean she is scum. I don't see why scum would freak-out because one person caught them.

ProHawk · Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:22 am

In post 1429, scienceshrimp wrote:
In post 1317, Kthxbye wrote:
pirate mollie
:
Imperium
,
Wisdom
, Messiah Complex, Nero Cain, Titus,
D3x
,
Kthxbye
[7]
just looking at this. i think nero is town, scum would have probably been on it. so titus or MC

i stll lean smudger scum.

Squirrel. I want your opinion on this post and Shrimps future attacks/reads.

ProHawk · Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:00 am

That's fine, I am Patty Halliwell whom is a VT

MC go next.

ProHawk · Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:04 am

Oh heck no you lying piece of scum. You are no tracker son. I am more than happy to die to seal your fate Des, but people should consider the possibility of two scum-kills tonight, or a scum-partner that is in the bag. Can't think of any other reason why scum would self-sacrifice.

VOTE: MC

Guess I am a sucker for crappy play, you should have been dead yesterday.

ProHawk · Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:35 am

Hey MC, convienient that you have two results on a dead guy, one on a claimed target, and Titus/Mastin which you either know won't catch you in a lie or is your partner and one implicating me which is false.

Why target Imperium N0, N1, Titus N2, and Smudger N3? Why did you leave me until N4? Why do you think I would kill Serra over other targets? Why do you think I never voted for you when I could have just pushed and mis-lynched you?

Because you decided to make this a 1v1 you don't get the luxury today of ignoring me beech.

ProHawk · Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:39 am

Notice how MC doesn't care about the mass-claim anymore. Also Nero, would you please invest some more time into this game?

ProHawk · Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:39 am

In post 1906, Messiah Complex wrote:I think that we're certain that ProHawk is scum

This is not something someone says who has tracked someone to the night-kill.

ProHawk · Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:52 am

Thought he said he tracked me to Serra.

ProHawk · Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:08 am

Its not true, but if it takes me dying I guess that's okay so long as scum doesn't sweep a victory with two kills tonight.

ProHawk · Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:21 am

Shrimp, could you be any more scum? Literally, on the off chance you are town, you aren't even playing pro-town.

In post 1927, Messiah Complex wrote:??? Who said we don't care about the massclaim anymore?

Doesn't feel like you do.

In post 1927, Messiah Complex wrote:I don't care why you killed serra

Just look at this statement. I confused who I thought MC was claiming that I visited, and here he is saying I killed Serra, but earlier said I visited SG (Squirrel Girl?). If he REALLY tracked me and figured I did those things, he would have seen me visit BOTH people. HE IS LYING.

ProHawk · Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:36 pm

Your Squirrel will hate you.

ProHawk · Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:01 am

Like you are seriously lying, so you can die today or tomorrow. If you think I am just going to lie down and take it, you have another thing coming. I won't let you get away with your filth.

ProHawk · Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:35 am

Is there anyone here with a brain? If not, I am self-hammering right now.

ProHawk · Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:44 am

In post 1940, mastin2 wrote:VOTE: ProHawk.
I'm not sure who's the scum between shrimp and MC. But that definitely reeks of having been a scumslip, of SG being targeted to die via poison.

This is probably the dumbest line known to man. MC? YOU ARE DOUBTING MC WHO FAKE-CLAIMED A GUILTY ON ME, BUT ARE STILL VOTING ME EVEN THOUGH YOU THINK HE COULD BE SCUM?!?

ProHawk · Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:59 am

MC is scum, and that much will be evident with mine or his flip. What bothers me is how his results implicate Mastin. If scum has a role-cop, they would know her role but not when she used it. So either MC is a scum-tracker, or MC and Mastin are scum-together, or someone told him when she used her role. OR scum wins tonight with a mis-lynch.

ProHawk · Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:59 am

In post 1945, mastin2 wrote:Because I'm not ruling out a cross-bus for towncred, with you having scumslipped accidentally revealing too much.

LOL! My "supposed slip" came AFTER the fake-guilty. Try Harder.

ProHawk · Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:11 am

So if MC flips scum, then you still think I am scum? Because why again? What exactly do you think I slipped on?

ProHawk · Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:04 am

No kidding, thats why I saw SP instead of SG, but whatever. Screw this town, we don't deserve to win anyway.

ProHawk · Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:10 am

Here is another point to consider. If they really thought I wasn't VT after I forgot we started in the night, why wait to target me until the end? It doesn't add up.

ProHawk · Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:12 am

@Shrimp

In post 1611, Messiah Complex wrote:

In post 1558, Nero Cain wrote:
@ EVERYONE

In post 1268, ProHawk wrote:Whoops! Forgot about starting in the night...

IS THIS REAL OR FAKE?
Fake as balls.

ProHawk · Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:39 am

@Mod, Nero hasn't posted in 3 days. Can we get a replacement who is going to be able to play?

ProHawk · Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:45 am

No kidding sherlock, I thought he claimed I visited Serra, who could be abbreviated SP, see the similarity between SG and SP?

ProHawk · Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:20 pm

The real problem is figuring out who the scum is between (Shrimp, Mastin)...

ProHawk · Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:37 pm

I would actually like both of them to weigh in on which one of the two are scum and why.

ProHawk · Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:04 pm

What exactly do you call the posts of me trying to prove he is lying NS?

ProHawk · Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:06 pm

In post 1973, Squirrel Girl wrote:Well, if you are town and want me to believe that you're still scumhunting, than theoretically your read on Mastin would be based on his pseudo miller claim with Nero, a player you're claiming to not suspect.

You had better freaking give it some thought then cause you are about to see my town-flip after today.

And how about you explain this "pseudo-miller" claim? Nero didn't confirm them town, and Mastin didn't explain it when you asked but decided to answer a different question about flavor which I find to be far-fetched anyway, more along the lines of Mod gave me a fake-claim but didn't put flavor with it.

ProHawk · Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:15 pm

In post 1974, scienceshrimp wrote:Prohawk attempting to drive a wedge between us/mastin is funny though

You wanna know funny? When either you lose this game for being dense, or you win it for being scum and proving my point about how idiotic town is being this game.

But no. It's going to come down to this (figuring out the scum between Mastin and Shrimp) if the game isn't over with my lynch. So that's fine if you want to say "haha funny funny we are both town and youz be scumz". But if you are going to be that way I REALLY hope you are town so I can confirm how terrible of a player you really are and are only good at shooting from the hip. Thats it.

Squirrel is likely town, if scum she could have hammered me already. Nero is town because of Squirrels claim topped off with also could have hammered me with little/no risk, ala - GUILTY. We know MC is scum. SO POE IS DOWN TO SHRIMP AND MASTIN.

p-edit: HE IS CONF SCUM WITH MY LYNCH OR WITHOUT IT. I AM AT L-1, WHAT IS MY SCREAMING AND WAILING WITH LYNCH HIM LYNCH HIM GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT MY FLIP WONT?

What I AM trying to get done it figure out who is scum after he dies. THIS is what my legacy will be, I will have the game figured out before I die. Are you worried that I am actually trying to scum-hunt the unknown at this point? <------ is what scum would be worried about.

TOWN REFER BACK TO THIS POST WHEN I FLIP TOWN!

ProHawk · Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:17 pm

In post 1973, Squirrel Girl wrote:I don't think I share your perspective though, I'll admit.

Me being town, you either doubt Mastin, or Squirrel is scum, so why don't you share my perspective?

ProHawk · Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:26 pm

I seriously hate the combination of names this game. That previous post should have read:

"Me being town, you either doubt Mastin, or SHRIMP is scum, so why don't you share my perspective?"

ProHawk · Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:40 pm

In post 1978, scienceshrimp wrote:And You're sitting here arguing over other players when there is essentially confscum from your PoV, rather than trying to convince everyone to vote him as should be the focus of like everything you fucking post

How would you go about trying to convince everyone to vote him NS?

Spoiler: My posts trying to get MC lynched

In post 1919, ProHawk wrote:Hey MC, convienient that you have two results on a dead guy, one on a claimed target, and Titus/Mastin which you either know won't catch you in a lie or is your partner and one implicating me which is false.

Why target Imperium N0, N1, Titus N2, and Smudger N3? Why did you leave me until N4? Why do you think I would kill Serra over other targets? Why do you think I never voted for you when I could have just pushed and mis-lynched you?

Because you decided to make this a 1v1 you don't get the luxury today of ignoring me beech.

In post 1920, ProHawk wrote:Notice how MC doesn't care about the mass-claim anymore. Also Nero, would you please invest some more time into this game?

In post 1921, ProHawk wrote:
In post 1906, Messiah Complex wrote:I think that we're certain that ProHawk is scum

This is not something someone says who has tracked someone to the night-kill.

In post 1931, ProHawk wrote:Shrimp, could you be any more scum? Literally, on the off chance you are town, you aren't even playing pro-town.

In post 1927, Messiah Complex wrote:??? Who said we don't care about the massclaim anymore?
Doesn't feel like you do.

In post 1927, Messiah Complex wrote:I don't care why you killed serra
Just look at this statement. I confused who I thought MC was claiming that I visited, and here he is saying I killed Serra, but earlier said I visited SG (Squirrel Girl?). If he REALLY tracked me and figured I did those things, he would have seen me visit BOTH people. HE IS LYING.

In post 1944, ProHawk wrote:
In post 1940, mastin2 wrote:VOTE: ProHawk.
I'm not sure who's the scum between shrimp and MC. But that definitely reeks of having been a scumslip, of SG being targeted to die via poison.
This is probably the dumbest line known to man. MC? YOU ARE DOUBTING MC WHO FAKE-CLAIMED A GUILTY ON ME, BUT ARE STILL VOTING ME EVEN THOUGH YOU THINK HE COULD BE SCUM?!?

In post 1957, ProHawk wrote:Here is another point to consider. If they really thought I wasn't VT after I forgot we started in the night, why wait to target me until the end? It doesn't add up.

All of those posts have been me fighting to prove MC is lying. You can argue all night that they are "scum" arguments, or they suck, or they are baseless, or that I slipped up.

What you DON'T get to argue is that they are "boring" or that I am not "focusing" on trying to lynch him.

ProHawk · Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:35 am

In post 1983, mastin2 wrote:but that's a bridge to cross tomorrow.

I'm not going to be around tomorrow smart chick, I have to do the leg-work today. Unlike you I don't have that luxury.

In post 1983, mastin2 wrote:All-in-all? This seems to be the exact same ProHawk from Tales of Vesperia.

Glad to see I am meta-case immune then.

ProHawk · Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:36 am

Does anyone else see why its nearly indistinguishable to tell the difference of scum between Mastin and Shrimp, or is it just me? Maybe it should be decided on a die...

ProHawk · Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:37 am

In post 1990, Nero Cain wrote:an MC/Mastin team isn't impossible either and with prohawk NOT being hammered yet it lends some cred to the theory of scum already siting on him (if he's not scum himself.) Either way all these point to MC being scum.

This is why I think SG isn't scum, or highly likely isn't scum and if my flip is needed to clear things up, I am fine with that.

Are you going to vote MC or think on it some more?

ProHawk · Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:41 am

In post 1993, Messiah Complex wrote:Imp and Hanzo weren't 1-shot and d3x's role wasn't an active ability.

Hanzo_5 -- Piper Halliwell, 1-shot Commuter

It gets hard to fabricate lies doesn't it?

ProHawk · Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:50 am

Look at you sucking up to Nero, Tell me Messiah, what kinda tricks do you think you have up your sleeve to win this thing? You are DEAD after I flip.

ProHawk · Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:55 am

Preferably dead before I flip, but I find that a hard and futile battle considering he has to convince one scum and/or one town that is death-tunneling me.

ProHawk · Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:56 am

In post 2002, Messiah Complex wrote:Please die now.

You should have night-killed me instead of deciding it would be a good idea to 1v1 me.

ProHawk · Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:54 pm

In post 1998, Nero Cain wrote:I think its lylo

Does either Shrimp or Mastin or Squirrel deny this possibility?

ProHawk · Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:54 am

In post 2015, Squirrel Girl wrote:@ProHawk - how do you see Shrimp working with MC as a buddy, if at all?

I originally had them as scum before I knew MC was, so a lot of it was a bit of conf-bias and not finding NS-posts town at all. I was trying to figure out the association between MC and either Shrimp, or Mastin hence my hunting the two. Their recent re-evaluation of the game-state gives them a lot of town-points in my opinion. Mostly because of what they said in 2019.

ProHawk · Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:14 am

You aren't doing anything Des. You aren't scum hunting. You don't care because you are scum.

Do I know the game will end with my lynch? No.
Do I think the game will end with my lynch? Its probable, but in the event it isn't you will be caught in YOUR lie. I can't figure out why you would lie only to get caught in my flip, so I can only lean on the easiest explanation which is we are in MYLO/LYLO.

I am going to give you a little hint on how I play scum: My fake claims will align with my actual role in some way such as to avoid THE EXACT situation you claim to have put me in. If you think I am dumb enough as scum to claim a VT when

A) Fake claims are a thing and are given to avoid conf-scum in a mass-claim.
B) I know that trackers/watchers are a thing

IF I had a targeting role, I would have either waited until I was last in line to claim OR claim a role that involves targeting and would pick people I actually targeted.

I do know how to play this game and am strategic in doing so. The reason why it looks like I am not here is because I actually don't have a role nor a "team" with whom to be strategic with.

ProHawk · Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:39 am

I can't justify anything except I know you are lying. Highly doubt only two scum are in this game. The only thing that made me think it MIGHT not be MYLO/LYLO is if your scum-partner is a universal town-read. The other thing that has been eating at me is the amount of kills being 2 kills N1, no kills N2, one kill N3, and one kill N4. So the pattern isn't really matching up with scum being able to get two kills unless scum has a two-shot poisoner and is saving/saved their shot.

I don't have a freaking clue what is happening at night.

ProHawk · Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:54 am

The self-hammer comment was made in a fit of rage, but its good to see you actually being a contender in your self-made 1v1.

Like I said, I can only assume what is going to happen after I get lynched, but in the event the game continues on, I have done the best I can. If its over, well people can go back and evaluate where they went wrong in their reads.

ProHawk · Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:10 pm

Ok, so I think I have the game figured out.

Scum has the poisoner, and its 2-shot, with the first having been used N0 and the second not used until last-night. Seems a little OP to give scum an extra kill, but we have had one commuter and one poison-doc, so maybe that's the balance?

MC and Mastin are scum-together. Which would explain how MC was able to use Mastin in his results without worry of a counter and why Mastin is working so hard to discredit me and force my lynch. It also explains why he is fake-guiltying me at this stage in the game knowing to kills are going to drop tonight.

Mastin, I don't see what similarities you are trying to draw from my scum-game to this one. Because I said that lynching me will end the game?

ProHawk · Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:34 pm

[quote="In post 2048, Squirrel Girl"I feel like I'm slam dunking this right now, and that I should have an achievement award flare up with every post I'm making.[/quote]

What exactly are you slam dunking aside from confirming that Mastin is scum? Because we have about 36 hours to choose between me or MC.

ProHawk · Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:06 am

Did we really just miss the deadline again? Well at least that proves my theory that town is just giving up this game.

ProHawk · Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:07 am

And that probably means SG's rant about missing the deadline last time was fake considering she didn't vote for anyone.

ProHawk · Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:54 am

VOTE: MC

Let's not no - lynch three days in a row mKay?

ProHawk · Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:37 pm

Or not. Lets instead just let scum night-kill us to death. Good plan.

ProHawk · Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:37 pm

I miss you Squirrel Girl!

ProHawk · Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:19 pm

You have a heart of steel Nero.

ProHawk · Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:24 pm

Nero/MC? Why would you drag that day out like that?

ProHawk · Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:26 pm

If you are town, you should probably take that vote off me.

ProHawk · Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:36 pm

No seriously Nero, you were confirmed town by Serra/Smudger, get your freaking vote off me.

ProHawk · Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:40 pm

If you were scum, you would have dragged the day out by not lynching me.

ProHawk · Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:03 pm

By not lynching me when you had the chance. That is how you would have dragged the day out if you were scum. Did I mis-speak?

ProHawk · Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:28 pm

I'm not going to sugar coat it. You now have the choice. We don't need to drag this game out another 13 days. Squirrel dying and flipping town really isn't a big surprise. We are still back to the elephant in the room which is MC's fake-claimed-guilty on me. So either you think I am floundering to save-face, or you think MC's claim is fake. Our lack of commitment and general malaise is what has cost us dearly up to this point ~ so consider the facts, make your choice and stick to your guns Nero. Either lynch MC and lets move on to 3p LYLO (which you prob wont be apart of) or lynch me and lose. We don't deserve the win anyway with our two no-lynches and poor town-play.

If you decide to lynch MC, please offer your insight as to which of Mastin or Shrimp is scum and lets get on with it.

If you decide to lynch me, don't wait for weeks. Thanks.

ProHawk · Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:51 am

Yes I am lame, la la la.

ProHawk · Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:27 am

I like the reach out Mastin. Expect my self-defense/case post maybe later tonight, or tomorrow sometime.

ProHawk · Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:19 pm

Dearest Mastin,

I have pondered long and hard on what I could say to you to get you to change your mind. Read through your posts, trying to get a handle on your perspective. At one point you had said that Squirrel and I absolutely had to be scum-scum, not town-town, nor even scum-town. I am hoping Squirrel flipping town has spurred your re-evaluation.

As for analysis, you are completely sold on this idea of me being scum because of my scum-play in Tales of Vesperia. I am telling you, my play there and here is EXTREMELY different. Consider the following:

Did I slip/scum-slip in Tales? Compare my posts there and here. You should notice my posts as scum are more calculated, they are read over multiple times, I have a plan and try hard to make error-free-posts. Look at my posts here. I am working on trying to figure things out, but am not worried about hitting the submit button before figuring things out. What you feel like are fake and manufactured are actually genuine.

I forgot we had started in the night phase later in the game commenting on poisoning details despite having started out the game stating that exact fact.

I completely screwed up in calculating mylo/lylo situations. My confusion/indecision/flippidy floppity stems from an absence of knowledge, not an abundance of it.

I screwed up confusing SG with SP. I thought MC claimed that I visited SP. You somehow think it meant I slipped up. What you are completely forgetting is the fact that scum will have planned this gambit in advance. They would have discussed "Oh hey tomorrow we are probably going to mass-claim. Here is what I am mass-claiming be ready to do X, Y, and/or Z". I would have known who MC was going to claim I would be visiting.

Me making mistakes is genuine. Me correcting my posts before they go out is manufactured.

I am not going to take pot-shots at the scum-team until you answer one question for me:

Did you or did you not realize the last game-day was MYLO?

ProHawk · Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:00 pm

My worst nightmare come true. Re-analyzing evidence.

Mastin I would still like an answer to my question.

ProHawk · Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:16 pm

In post 2107, scienceshrimp wrote:I have not been obvtown this game

I've been checked out most of it in fact (which is actually a scumtell of mine)

Are you kidding me right now?

ProHawk · Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:04 pm

THAT WAS MY CASE YOU PISSED ON.

ProHawk · Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:58 pm

In post 2114, scienceshrimp wrote:i'm telling you to ask me anything.

Why aren't you voting?

ProHawk · Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:46 pm

Mastin, do you have any theories? Why aren't you voting at this point?