Mini 1547 - Wicked Mafia (Game Over!)

[notscience]

NACHO IF YOU TRY TO LYNCH MALA YOULL BE SWINGING INSTEAD OF ARONIS

[notscience]

NACHO

BAZINGA IF YOU TRY TO LYNCH MALA YOULL BE SWINGING INSTEAD OF ARONIS

[notscience]

Mollie

You have mala as a townreead

And I get you have hanzo as a townread too

But you were all up her ass about using her power. Seriously, I was the only one who was chill about it. So, she used it in a certain non-lylo situation (WHICH IS TOWN AS FUCK)

[notscience]

Well yeah

but I'm just kinda mad because everyone bullied her into using her role to prove herself and now they're like "hehe lets vote her'

:/

[notscience]

I really don't know what to do with them anymore

I don't want to say "dead because Idk" but that's really where I'm at

And I know you said that but just bleh

[notscience]

@Cabd if you try to pull that you better lynch me first and not vote Mala after my townflip

Like really.

I also laughed harder than I should have at Nacho's guide to reading me

[notscience]

/tinfoil

Nacho killed bazinga because mollie was starting to turn on them

Cabd how would you feel if you let Nachofalcon convince you to invite their scumbuddy into the neighborhood

I think I'd die laughing

[notscience]

lol

CabdPeng your neighborhood is like my neighborhood from Touhou, I guarantee both scum in there or your money back.

I'm not salty you picked Mina over me or anything

It scares me that of them all, I townread you the hardest when I know that Cabd with a neighborizer role is like giving a kid a credit card and setting them loose in Toys R Us.

[notscience]

Medea is my strongest townread in the neighborhood because:

a) Penguin feels more like x-menguin rather than Hiderpenguin

b) Nacho's not allowed to go over a null read for me anymore and mollie just died while scumreading nacho

c) I don't feel the townreads on you mina for whatever reason

d) Likewise for Ampersand

And seeing as everyone out of the neighborhood is town...

[notscience]

@ampersand

Why should I reconsider? She wasn't scum-Mala D1 and I doubt Tammy let a cult in her game.

squawk

Also, the fact Medea is in denial over both scum being in their neighborhood is a town thing too

[notscience]

Wait a minute

Son of a bitch

VOTE: Ghato

[notscience]

medea you should have called me a cop in the QT

That's why I didn't die that night.

[notscience]

medea you should have called me a cop in the QT

That's why I didn't die that night.

[notscience]

Basically scum in (Mina, Ampersand, Ghato).

Mala's town because lolmeta

You guys are town because of your showing, really. The denial today also helps.

Nacho isn't allowed to be a townread of mine ever. Mollie scumreading him and then dying makes me go like >.< because she knows him well and how many people of the surviving do you think he could actually manipulate?

Mina/Amper isn't thrown out altogether because maybe this is that one in a million game mollie misread nacho but I don't think so.

I'm really confused at all the strong hydras living so long, sans you. You were left alive so Ghato could fuck with your head in the QT.

pedit- I missed that then. Meh.

I'm still salty I couldn't draw the kill.

[notscience]

I will also help Ghato bus you if you try to start a mala wagon btw

[notscience]

Mala what do you think of my scumpool

[notscience]

Si

If you're paranoid of Penguin you should let me know becaues I'm more confident in your ability to read her

[notscience]

I'm not really sure I want to touch a Mina-read because it will probably be toxic-filled from last page.

What doesn't really make sense to me is her opinion of my D2- where she yelled at me for voting Ghato most of D2 when everyone else was on Ossy, when I'm pretty sure Ghato is the person she's trying to paint as scum atm. You know? Bleh.

It looks like we have a 2/3 hydra scumteam so it might be why they don't make sense. If you figure out why let me know.

What bothers you about it? Admittedly, I don't like the reads shift on you but I figured it more to be denial of them inviting both scum into their neighborhood.

[notscience]

wait I misread that

I don't get how that makes sense for "setup wifom" and if it was in fact "setup wifom" why we don't see Cabd here that much because he seriously got his favorite role to be as scum so if he was scum don't you think there'd be more of a showing inthread for him?

Also how she thinks Goon/Neighborizer/Gladiator makes sense to go against a 1xCop/Joat/Friendly Neighbor. I don't really think that's an even game.

[notscience]

The only way town wins games is with trust.

I trust Mala. I trust Nacho when he's town but I'm really scared he's snowing me again. I trust Penguin, so if Mala thinks she's town I'm going to run with it.

So, I don't care about x games where she's mislynched Penguin. It's better that they were her MISLYNCHING penguin than being snowed by penguin, you know?

[notscience]

Town
FT
JoaT
Gladiator
1-shot Cop

vs
Neighborizer
Goon
RB?

Town
1shot cop
JOAT
Neighborizer
Gladiator
FT

vs

Goon
RB
Rolecop?

or

Goon
JoaT
Tracker?

pedit-

No I'm commenting in regards to your reasoning not to trust her read.

I also agree that he felt really town in his recent pushes but lolparanoia. There's also the fact that you two have been calling each other obvtown all game >.>

[notscience]

I don't intend to touch reading you for the rest of the game, so that's fine.

PoE will solve this for me.

[notscience]

I also feel like Lylo will come down to within that neighborhood.

There's no way both Mala and I make it to lylo, because I will flat out refuse to vote for her.

Toasty's strong towning me and I don't remember his thoughts regarding Mala but I thought he had her in the green.

Meanwhile we have this melting pot of paranoia/not obvtown'd reads that have been chatting outside the game.

[notscience]

*outside the game being in the QT not in-thread

[notscience]

(inB4Medea&Ghatty scumteam.)

I actually had a tinfoil theory that they are a scumteam and they just scripted all of D2's interactions in their QT.

But I don't put much stake in that theory.

[notscience]

Actually

Wait a minute.

Why wouldn't scum-Nachofalcon make them invite me into the QT? I'm like putty for nacho. And based on my understanding of how things went down, they could have easily said to invite me without being questioned too severely.

UNVOTE:

[notscience]

Why is Mala null?

What do you think of Ampersand?

[notscience]

F16 you do realize you have 0 shot in hell of convincing me to vote Mala ever right

[notscience]

The lack of posts by Cabd bugs me a bit. I know he was sick, but now he's disappeared from the thread. Peng sat said she was going to talk to Cabd, but there has been no mention of it since then. Her 180 seems really convenient possible scum-move to me because after the whole Glad thing there's great possibility for my lynch and it just seems opportunistic.

Yeah, but doesn't Cabd prefer scum?

[notscience]

I'm townbinning you from PA

90% default to scum, remember

[notscience]

I don't know what to think of them.

I'm really stuck with the last 3.

[notscience]

@Cabd

I really don't want my read on the slot to be "effort=town." I feel like they're more likely to be town though.

-----Sigue- I notice in PA's "what she would do as scum" she said she'd make a big deal out of letting mala choose who gets to be neighborized- didn't they essentially do that with Ghato? .-.

@NK analysis- I couldn't remember Zdenek at the start of D2 let alone now so I have to go look back. I didn't expect molliebert to make it to lylo regardless so... Kills don't do much for me.

@Softclaim- lol. Five dollars on a roleblocker/jailkeeper claim.

@What scum ns would do killwise- pretty much go with whatever. If it was my choice of kills however (assuming a scumteam of me ossy x) I'd make sure MollieBert, NachoFalcon, and CabdPeng all died early if I had the power however I'm pretty go with the flow

[notscience]

The second question also goes to notscience. Can you really say with a straight face that you'd kill Medea or Ghato, who have been lynchable the whole time?

yes

[notscience]

Vt btw

[notscience]

I'll check once i'm done this match of league

[notscience]

No I joined because of the playerlist and because I like tammy

[notscience]

Um

It's not a PR fakeclaim if she can verify it inthread

[notscience]

You're also wrong about neglecting neighborhoods

[notscience]

I'm going to mispell this because I'm too lazy to c/paste

nessare throp
her sister was green so she took some meds from her mom and has no arms

[notscience]

I was given a background bit on my character in the pm.

I didn't open my PMs because I have time to post 1/2 liners while I wait to respawn but I don't have time to go and dig through my pms for the role pm.

[notscience]

I really don't know why we have to go through all these lengths to talk about how town I am

I mean really

I'm either

(Scum, holy fucking shit stop bleeding towniness GET THIS MAN A TRANSFUSION)

[notscience]

Ghato

You realize you have better chances of MLing toasty than you do me correct

[notscience]

Also if Mala and I were both scum there's no way you two and cabdpeng would be here to try and pin us as scum

[notscience]

1) She used it after repeatedly being given shit for it not being legit after the BRO lynch. She used it on a slot that was a likely lynch target anyways to prove that she had it. Said lynch target was in her scumreads yes, but it was also done so that the only confirmed town to her still had a better chance of getting out alive, whereas if she had used it on Mina with that much time left she probably would not have. You might take survival to be a scum tactic, but town need to survive too, because when it comes down to it, they're the only confirmed town to themselves. They have that duty to stay alive.

2) Cabd loves daytalk. The neighborhood has daytalk.

You do the math.

[notscience]

I'll be back to my cheery-old-self tomorrow. Later.

[notscience]

2) Cabd loves daytalk. The neighborhood has daytalk.

Sorry that you rolled scum, bud.

Your scum QT might have daytalk thanks to your encryptor or whatnot, but we're a night only party.

VOTE: notscience

This does make things a bit easier.

[notscience]

It's fine tbh

I expect a written promise to not lynch Mala tomorrow after I flip town though

[notscience]

Also a few errors with your deduction

1) Encryptors usually turn on daytalk for all factions I'm p sure

2) Scum/Town usually have talk at the same times

[notscience]

You know for someone so sure I'm scum you really aren't doing anything to get me lynched

[notscience]

Last post of the night

Mina why do you think I garnered so many townreads

My scumgame is abyssmal

[notscience]

Promdodge.

[notscience]

Hi.

Apparently

sitewide

inactivity is a scumtell for me?

Apparently, comments that obviously weren't finished and put down before said sitewide inactivity is a scumtell for me?

Now, why am I not 1v1ing them? Because I've had Medea slotted as town for a fair time, and now they've flipped their read on me. Congratz on readflipping, but really? Especially given how I play things- I put my townreads before myself. You've all seen it all game. I've offered myself up so you don't lynch townreads of mine. So why am i not trying to 1v1 them? Because townreads before me.

Here's what bugs me.

Normally, both of these hydrae have enough common sense to go "hmmm is this sitewide inactivity or JUST this game?" and neither of them took the time.

I also wouldn't have waited this long to kill molliebert because they were blatantly town by the end of D1. No reason to let them live past N1.

We can also insert the fact that I was oblivious to an investigative claim, but there's that.

[notscience]

tl;dr

I have about 0 idea to vote atm but everyone voting me currently is (full of shit, scum)

[notscience]

Hey guys look

I'm scum for not being here to convince you to lynch someone else

That must mean Ampersand is scum too right

That must mean Toasty is scum too right

[notscience]

Niether of you actually pushed it like you believed in it btw

I'm having a really rough time right now because I was pretty set on town-reading you two but the way you guys were pushing me was so weak it was terrible

Like really until nacho posted about my meta there was like nothing. No zeal, no "we've caught the fucking scum sheeep the everliving fuck out of us"

It was just like

"oh this is a scumslip"

[notscience]

I also find it tough to believe that my reaction to a "scumslip" takes more credence than how town I've been for entire game

[notscience]

I've been posting most of today

Like what the fuck

[notscience]

I also will give my mala-wall tomorrow when I have time to concoct it

[notscience]

I'm still waiting to be run into the ground

[notscience]

MALA

I think they're scum together

[notscience]

but that means PA is snowing everyone

[notscience]

@Amper, yes.

It looks like they both just found sleazy reasons to try and make me lynchable again and it's disgusting and way below what I would expect from either of them as town

But PA has looked town most of the game <.>

[notscience]

I don't even know anymore

Both of them are like "oh that's how his meta is to react to x"

But I'm almost certain majority of their strong townread on me is based on my meta.

I know I can have

better

scumgames but even then it's not as good as my towngame

[notscience]

VOTE: Ghato

[notscience]

I kinda want to fulfill mollie's dying wish

Plus I'm more scared to be in a potential lylo situation with nacho than I am with medea

[notscience]

I'm still waiting to be run into the dirt, PA

[notscience]

I should start a tally on how many posts Medea makes without running me into the ground

[notscience]

I can later when I have time to create a case

I thought I would today but lolmigraines

[notscience]

I don't really remember why

It prob was a mixture of assuming cabd neighborhood must have daytalk and you guys constantly referring to it and etc so I was like oh it must still be going

[notscience]

And I already said I'd be more scared of Nacho in lylo than Medea or Mala

[notscience]

And I already said I'd be more scared of Nacho in lylo than Medea or Mala

[notscience]

I've experessed interest in a Medea vote

but I'm afraid to bus

I don't think mala is scum tho

[notscience]

Shit

VOTE: medea

Forgot this game

Also there is no such thing as scum steam nacho.

If I can't get my shit together for you and Bert who can I get it together for

[notscience]

I played like shit in mentor game with them as my buddies

And yet he has the audacity to say I have scum steam

[notscience]

And neither of those two just fucked me over twice in a row

So no

[notscience]

Also scum ns doesn't do shit recently except lurk until he's lynched d1 and d2 so

[notscience]

Cabd is always scum

Rule 1

still town here, so pray tell, why ghat is town if you want any chance of me not crossing him tomorrow

[notscience]

Shit

VOTE: medea

Forgot this game

Also there is no such thing as scum steam nacho.

If I can't get my shit together for you and Bert who can I get it together for

Answer the end of this post pls and ty

And I told you why I assumed it. Don't really know what else to say.

[notscience]

And sell me on ghat town if you don't want me to cross him

[notscience]

Who could I pull off such a great ruse with as scum, having the motivation that nsscum lacks to snow Mollie, Bert, you two, etc

And I need more than that >.>

[notscience]

Plus I didn't have to come in and argue with the lynchee about me being town

But there's that

[notscience]

I'm still town

Malas still town

Mina might be town

But you two say ghat town

Lol

[notscience]

I'm probably about to spew all over the thread

Standby

[notscience]

So

I'm kinda at a point where I want to stick my money where my mouth is and yolovote Ampersand.

I'm worried that Nachofalcon is scum and mollie was onto them and she's probably screaming at everyone in the dead QT to lynch you if she was right but I don't really know who to trust regarding that read, her or CabdPA but I really think it should be molliebert's read given how careful they were regarding their read on you

Cabd and PA can both fuck off because I've played to my town meta all game and they latched on to one post that wasn't a fucking scumslip and ignored like everything else in the entire game then tried to attribute my response before I went off-site for a few days to my scum meta.

Nacho can fuck off because I've been blatantly town all game. My progression of the reads all yesterday was "I really think they're town but I'm really worried about why they're not doing x" but in the end I had to vote for survivalism because noone was joining a wagon on them and blahblah I know I'm town. Yes, I know I'll usually be willing to die for my townreads. But I was really expecting them to run me into the ground and they weren't so I was like um what

Mala's making me nervous but I'll probably quell that when I do my case on her

Why is Mina my strongest townread today (inb4 "OMG NS IS BUDDYINGM INA LYNCH PLS")

I'm kinda pissed off I ignored my townread on Medea even if they were going to just keep tunneling on me >.<

I'm kinda pissed off that I'm in lylo with Nacho because I want to lynch him just for existing and I can't now and Mollie was scumreading him and Bro was but CabdPA were here after both of them and are townreading them sooooooooooooo. I'm also pissed he's so blatantly misrepresenting how I play as town and part of me is like "would town-nacho be this blind" and "would scum-nacho try to push a ML on town-NS" because I don't think I've ever seen Nacho try to push a ML on town-ns but of course this will be spun to "OH NS MUST BE SCUM"

[notscience]

Also I want to yolovote ampersand because I've been able to townread everyone but them at various parts of the game

[notscience]

Also I bet Cabd and Peng are cursing me and my descendents right now in the dead QT

but idgaf

[notscience]

I feel like today is going to come down to who Mina sides with.

This ought to be fun, considering it's her QT buddies or those not in the QT :s

[notscience]

#1315 doesn't sound like a townie talking about their so-called "larget scumread"

I kinda want to take a LoF in Mala/Mina really bad right now

<.>

I really want to vote nacho too

[notscience]

MOLLIE WHAT DO I DO

[notscience]

The AtF is real

[notscience]

I'll have to admit, you did have me fooled for a while there.

You couldn't have tunneled me while mollie was still alive. You couldn't have tunneled me without Cabd/Peng preempting it either. That just shows your hand.

[notscience]

Let's be honest here

Had Cabd/Peng not tried ot push a "scumslip" angle you wouldn't even have a leg to stand on calling me scum. It'd be a scumclaim

[notscience]

F-16 I'm having a really

really

really

tough time digesting that bullshit

Try blending it a bit more first

[notscience]

And I get the feeling you two are trying to manipulate me

Because I mentioned being paranoid of Mala last page and I've been paranoid of mina all game

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[notscience]

I'll be back in a bit to answer your questions when real life won't fuck with what I right.

[notscience]

Toasty were both town, and both thought it was notsci-Mala.

This is wrong.

Toasty specifically said he thought I was town given my reaction to receiving the result.

Misrep the thread please.

More coming later.

[notscience]

And if you're trying to pass off that toasty died for any other reason than him being confirmed town that's a pile of bullshit

[notscience]

*oh, and he had no access to the neighborhood QT.

Forgot that part.

[notscience]

I'll be here sporadically, cleaning up.

[notscience]

What do you think of notscience's play at the end of yesterday? I thought his reaction to them suspecting him was more survivalistic than anything.

Isn't his play always like that though when he's town? Why aren't you commenting on my reaction to them suspecting me earlier in the Day. Why are you just focusing on ns' play when you know firsthand his meta and this is his town game. Even if we do what Toasty said to do and remove meta from the situtation that ns' play has been more of a town-motivation than scum-motivation. Explain to me scum-motivation to keep a friendly neighbor alive after Day 1, while trying to draw a NK Day 2. I don't see that as scum motivation. I see that play as town-motivation, I for one have played similar roles this way trying to draw the NK to avoid PRs being killed.

His play is usually not survivalistic as town: it's usually irrationally not survivalistic as he tends to protect his townreads and consider their survival more important than his own. You weren't surprised that he swapped Medea from top townread to someone he voted to lynch yesterday? Him backing off on his townread on you doesn't set off any red flags?

I'm also surprised you think I can read you as well as you say I can: I've mislynched you quite a few times in recent history, it feels like.

Medea wash hardcore townreading you two, the people I'm really suspicious of. I die, and Medea lives to today (hell, even until tomorrow) and guess who doesn't get lynched? You. There's also the whole eminient deadline bullshit coming on along with me being salty at them calling me scum and misrepresenting my town meta but whatever.

I still want an answer from you regarding who ns can be partnered with and pull off that stunning a performance though. I mean, snowing mollie and bert and (if you're town which you aren't but going along with it anyway) and you and Cabd and PA? Damn, I must have a partner who can keep me unapathetic. I believe you put it as if you can describe NS as confident and active then he's town? Pretty sure that's how I've been all game, yet Cabd and PA call something a scumslip and you auto-readflip. It also doesn't help that you've had me as town in every scumgame you've played vs me and now all of a sudden that I don't trust you when you do that I'm scum. I don't like it. So.

pedit-

Mina I'll be frank.

If I was scum

I would not have made it to D2 in this playerlist.

Molliebert would have had such a lynch hardon for me, would have ended up getting nacho in on it and I would have just sat in the corner rocking until I got lynched.

[notscience]

That wasn't a pedit but I called it one

it was more of a Segue

[notscience]

You know what the absolute worst thing is

As much as I want to sheep mollie and Bro

As much as I don't trust nacho recently

As much as I want to spite cabd and PA

There's a part of me that thinks Ghato town >.>

[notscience]

Medea's called Ghato-town for days

But Mollie just recently misread nacho and she was painstaking regarding reading him because she didn't want to misread Nacho

Medea could talk to them out of thread

Nachofalcon didn't ask for bazinga to be invited to let sparks fly between nacho and mollie

Nachofalcon didn't ask for me to join the neighborhood

Nachofalcon is currently tunneling me based on something Medea said and ignoring how fucking town I am

The AtF is real and is making me doubt them-scum

Bro said themscum mollie said themscum

[notscience]

That is a

T
S
T
S

pattern btw

[notscience]

Hey nacho

When did you find out about the QT

[notscience]

notscience, what made you go from not feeling the town reads on me yesterday to having me as your top townread today?¹ Also, I don't think you ever answered this². Also also, what "bullshit" has F-16 been pushing--regardless of whether you think his posts are alignment-telling, I wouldn't say the arguments themselves are the problems (since "if you're town and vote town, I'll be quickhammered" is an objective fact).³ And finally, wasn't there some whole kerfuffle back on D1 about how mollie ISN'T 100% accurate at reading Nacho?⁴ (By the way, although a part of me is sorely tempted to see a cross-vote that'll either take this game out of my hands or rule out some pairings, could you wait a couple of days, notscience?)

1) It was mostly due to sheeping mollie but right now I'm pulling a Tammy. I dunno. I kinda felt like some of the more snipey stuff feels more town.

2) I'll have to go reread that all but that'll come after I spew a malacase (although, do you see a world in which mala-scum doesn't automatically crossvote someone who votes her? I don't.

jk I'll reread now because now I'm curious what I was thinking

Oh okay

I don't think it was convincing me, but it was moreso I could see her line of thinking and thought it to be a viable line of thought compared to where I was before.

3) The bullshit is just that they're acting like "oh if you're town don't do this blahblahblah" but they've been adamant this is my scumgame from yesterday and I'm like what

4) I hit on this a few posts ago but mollie misread them in a recent game so she was extra careful this game which is why I'm like cool

I'll make that malawall in a bit because I don't know if I have time to sit down and type it all out.

pedit-

...

I'm seriously having trouble deciding if you two are off a cliff or scum

[notscience]

Like I seriously need a walkthrough of your read on me right now

[notscience]

Also some food for thought

I think Mala prefers town more than she prefers scum

[notscience]

Seriously you guys are fucking retarded.

PL Mala->Ambersand->Medea->Ghato

I really think Bro got both scum in here because I respect the fuck out of BRO

<.>

[notscience]

Because I'm pretty sure anyone who can't follow who I'd vote between the two of you hasn't been reading the thread

And I'm focused on Nacho because I just need to sort him.

[notscience]

NACHO STOP FUCKING IGNORING ME

[notscience]

Hey F-16

Tell Nacho he has 24 hours to respond to me or I'm voting you regardless of the fucking crossvote

[notscience]

Because I've been asking for weeks about who HE THINKS I could garner up scum-steam for to pull off this big a coup.

[notscience]

And the fact he's repeatedly ignoring my reachouts is troubling because even in 1543 he accepted my reachouts and I was scum there but my play there was terrible and nothing like this game so I don't know what the fuck he's doing

pedit-

YAY RESPONSE'

1) Spite for them scumreading me? Read the thread, you could see the process there. And let's be honest here- is there ever a game where I don't cogdis? (hint, it's when I'm scum and keeping static reads)

2) Yeah. My mood is a huge part of it, but it's more apathy. 1543 was the strongest game I've had in forever and I don't know why. I lurkfucked the IC game I got after being so happy I finally got a chance to be an IC because of the scum rolepm. That's hwo much I hate them. So, who would I be playing on a team with that could let me do that?

3) Your read on me is stupid and ignores the whole rest of the thread

[notscience]

You're basing the entirety of your read on me based on what happened after I "scumslipped"

What games were we in where I managed to get in your townreads?

534 where I was a tool and ETL had to replace out and was scum with bert and mara who probably would have caught me otherwise. I was active D1 and then lurkfucked after that.

1543 where I managed to fight my way into your townreads but Bert wasn't buying it

Don't you think if I was scum here Bert or Mollie would have noticed?

[notscience]

Like seriously

scum-ns is a lurkfuck

The only times my activity was bad here was when I forgot it existed and when my overall site activity was bad

And yet I'm scum for one set of posts?

The fuck kinda sense does that make

[notscience]

And the fact he's repeatedly ignoring my reachouts is troubling because even in 1543 he accepted my reachouts and I was scum there but my play there was terrible and nothing like this game so I don't know what the fuck he's doing

Where have I ignored your reach outs?
Where have you reached out to me?

I'm pretty sure I've said repeatedly today that you're the person I'm waffling on and you hadn't been responding until now

And let's be honest here- is there ever a game where I don't cogdis?

That's not cogdis, that's you turning on your strongest townread and then excusing it later as a spite/because they're townreading your scum suspect vote. And yes, I'm pretty sure you don't do that in most games because I haven't seen it yet after 10? 20? games of experience?

I know I've been questioned on cogdis before. If I remember where I had it I'll quote it. P sure mala was my strongest townreaed tohugh. But there comes a point where you need to give up vanity wagons. And yes, I do make a lot of statements like "LYNCH ME INSTEAD OF X" but let's be honest here- if I got lynched, what happens today? Mala ML. You got me, I fucked up and didn't do what I swore up and down to do. Congratz. That's not fucking alignment indicative. I probably could have sat my vote on you the rest of the day and the lynch on them would have gone through.

1543 was the strongest game I've had in forever and I don't know why.

Was it based on your partners? Because the partner you knew about was Goodfather, and you were presumably against me, ffery, Cabd, AND Bert.

That's what I think, because I played against Mala and Brian in our game and I like them. I played against you and I think that was only my second game with ETL and I had it there.

Don't you think if I was scum here Bert or Mollie would have noticed?

Do I think Bert or mollie would catch onto a strong scumgame that you're having quicker than I would?
No, not really. If you were playing an active game (not even a good one), I don't think either would catch on.

I played semi-actively in 1543 and bert caught on. >.> And probably considering Bert was the one who wanted me dead in 1543

Nacho: I believe you have only mislynched me wrong twice in all the games we played together when you were town and I was town. One was Hito's game and the second was the newbie game. I think you are trying to downplay your creditably in reading me when you flat out said in a game OUAT that you are pretty decent at reading me on a certain alignment.

After I mislynched you in the newbie game, you held a different opinion than you hold now. What happened?

[notscience]

I'm one of the most transparent people I know

as both alignments I'm transparently each

[notscience]

It's like

the spirit of tammy's game

That lylo comes down to people who would sit behind the computer going "you're so obvscum why aren't you being lynched" if they weer scum

[notscience]

It's sad that I keep lying to myself that it could just be nacho off a cliff instead of a nacho/amper scumteam

;-;

[notscience]

It's starting to bug me that Mala isn't xvoting though

;-;

[notscience]

was he town

[notscience]

Also every time I see bazinga as the most recent post in coney I think to myself "fuck yes someone's a necromancer and brought back molliebert" and then look at this game and feel nothing but disappointment

pedit-

BUT IM TOWN

[notscience]

The urge to sheep bro

so prominent

[notscience]

I don't want nacho to be scum though ;-;

[notscience]

shit

I'm here now.

Okay.

[notscience]

So, I've played with Mala a fair amount, but I don't think quite as much as I've played with Mollie Bert and Nacho (her and mollie might be tied) but she's modded games of mine. When I'm town, I'm obviously town, and it's really hard to confuse my meta. So, that explains her read on me.

Anyways.

We both hate drawing scum. How do I know this? Her scumgames versus her towngames. We both lurkaderp as scum. The first game I ever played with her way back in like May of last year she was in a hydra with Mara and Mollie and I want to say she only posted 1/2 times in the whole game when her hydra was actually one of the people in endgame (before I shot them )

I'll be getting game references for this later on but this will have to do as I have to go sleep soon.

Other games we've been in together were Marvel and DC, where her and mollie were active and trying to figure things out (and shouldn't have fucking been vig'd D1 that shot sucked).

I'm having a tough time remembering who modded/the number of the game, but there was a micro a while ago where the setup was like 1 shot global watcher, 2 scum, 1 doctor, and everyone has to go visit someone at night. She was scum there, and when she got caught by the watcher she was like "About time" which is what makes me draw the connections to how tammy is as scum and is like wtf I'm obvscum what are they doing

I don't remember much of her from 514 but she had an excuse to blend in the backrgound with all the high content posters in that game (me before I calmed down some (yes, this is low-key me)) and wisdom and Saki and Bert and sakura and etc but Bert isn't here to chat with about it >.>

We were both scum in a newbie game (she was on her alt) and I'm trying to remember what number it was but I remember it was vs wisdom and Rayfrost I think. We were both scum and were kinda just like ugh whatever and I remember distinct lurking

We were both in Trollie's Macbeth mafia and we were both town, but I was a 1-shot vig and shot obvtown amrun at the same time scum shot her <.> and I had claimed it D2 and she was avidly defending me there because she thought I was town even when in all reality I was a stupidly easy ml there and she was town. I remember her being active-ish there too

Both town (her in a hydra) in Mini 1471, Goodmorning's game. There I'd kinda gone off the wall tunnelly batshit and if I remember correctly she was constantly trying to push against my tunnel because she was strong townreading him (also I think this was referenced in either trollie or marvel vs dc but idr which)

We were both in Knight-Errant one and I

think

she was otwn but I don't remember much of anything from that game so come back to me later on that one mmkay

We were both in I want to say 531 but I'm not sure that's the right number. It was similar to Matrix 6, I remember town's PRs were a Jailkeeper and Backup Jailkeeper and she was backup. However, she was on her alt and it was a bit more lurky than other town games but even then it wasn't terribly like where is she

[notscience]

Wrong, Medea thought I was scum based on a scumslip.right but the entirety of the game has been "oh ns is town"

Ghato thinks I'm scum for some jackshit reason pertaining to cabds switch.

And bazinga was right

Feel free to get the discredits out of your system mow, I'm coming with actual examples later today

But please, keep going on how there is nothing more to say. There's always more to say.

Hell, you can explain why Bert wasn't scumreading me when he caught me in two other games going on simultaneously with this one. You can explain who alive would kill anyone but bazinga d1 do so. You can explain why scum ns doesn't use the interaction with mina as a way to lurk through the thread.You can explain why this game is different from all my other scumgames. You can explain why this is the lylo I'd chose to set up. You can explain why rather than try reaching out to anyone you make an ice cold "town will make the right choice" statement. Hell, you can explain why your reads seem to line up so well with ghatos now. You can explain your thoughts of nachofalcon wanting you in the neighborhood because from what I've seen he's been a nonentity here. You can explain why scum mama lays it all on the line d1 with the softclaim. You can explain why scummala asks for someone to bounce ideas off of and scum ns answers the call rather than let a townie take the bait. You can explain why scum ns made a big deal about a fm rather than ignore it and kill him d2. You can explain why claiming your alternating part rather than crumbing it makes sense from town motivation.

[notscience]

>.>

Sorry, I'm in NC visiting relatives.

I'll et a catchup post and maybe the malawall tonight but we'll have to see about the latter.

[notscience]

It's not my fucking town case

I also have been sporadic for the past week or so because I was on vacation and now have a big project for school.

So.

@Mina

It's amper/Ghato.

[notscience]

Oh I am

But yoloswag for jezus

Only person you can be scum with is Mala

and seeing as I'm townreading mala

[notscience]

I think you suspect me

Not really sure why

just do

Maybe mala too

[notscience]

I think you suspect me through a mixture of the fact I've been promising a malacase for weeks but haven't brought it

I think you suspect me because two of the people I've stated are normally really good at reading me are calling me scum and the only other person died before them

I think you suspect me because of the bullshit scumslip angle from yesterday

[notscience]

notscience, given that my posts on this page were attacking Ghatokaca, why do you think you and Mala are my top suspects?

It's a bit of paranoia, a bit of kinda of a back against the wall thing. Like, yes, you were attacking him, but at the same time you could just be grilling him to confirm a townread on him.

Also, can you explain the contradiction between "I think Mala prefers town more than she prefers scum" and "we both hate being scum"?

I think being unsure, while the latter is fully sure. I had the initial idea, then when I was thinking back to every game we've been in together and kinda confirming the though in my head

(Emphasis mine.)

P.S.: you shouldn't make cases on yourself!

I'm the best at making cases on myself

[notscience]

I prefer the creepy black guy poet.

[notscience]

Is it bad that I'm having a shitton of trouble voting ampersand right now

[notscience]

Also here comes the inevitable "oh he's just trying to fake paranoia to look town" bullshit

Why do I keep trying to seduce myself into townreading ghato

[notscience]

Part of it feels like Gambler's fallacy

I've seen so much scumcho recently it's time to see towncho

part of it feels like scum nacho wouldn't be this fucking stupid and misread me like this becuase Town ns can look like scum ns if he's disengaged but I've been engaged all game and nacho scumreading me would make me really defensive but at the same time it bugs me because I've been trying ot prove how town I am and it's like nothing

[notscience]

I do

But I don't know

I have no idae what to do and yet before now I was like hell if I get to lylo I do x y z and boom

[notscience]

Fuck

I want to sheep bro and mollie

>.<

[notscience]

THIS IS MY THREAD NOW

mine

noone else allowed unless they're mod confirmed town

[notscience]

So

By scaring off everyone but myself who is town

I have removed the scum from the village

and town wins

gggggggggggggggggggg

[notscience]

THIS IS MY THREAD NOW

mine

noone else allowed unless they're mod confirmed town

My best 2 scumgames are Nati's mini and Cabd's mini.

Even though nacho is a belligerent scumfuck WHO WONT FUCKING ADMIT IM TOWN he's right in that I need that gusto in order to pull off a coup. I guess it could be in part due to who I play against, but even then in those games I had times where I didn't look like town-me (in Nati's game I was lurkakderping and bert kept yelling at me for it and in Cabd's game I was already moving on to the next ML when one hadn't been gotten off yet, however I got lynched there because of PoE because fuck PoE man). And Nacho knows a way way way better indicator of scum me is that deer in the headlights reaction to being caught by something because that's what tipped them off in Cabd's game and it's essentially what happened in Nati's game too

But he didn't mention it

once

And it's bugging the everliving shit out of me

But I keep trying to think of them as being stupid town

>.>

[notscience]

Also scum ns and town ns are way way way different in lylo but ofc nacho is ignoring that too

So he's probably scum

[notscience]

I want to vote nacho

Btw I never got an answer to when he found out he was in a QT

[notscience]

VOTE: ghato

[notscience]

[notscience]

much daring

so defiant

such derailment

wow

[notscience]

This is 90% because they won't admit I'm town

5% because I don't like the Mala/Ampersand cross

3% because mollie and bro

2% because yolo

pedit-

lol

[notscience]

I think Mala is town

but I'm a sucker for AtE and reachouts

So

I'm voting the scumfuck who should know not to poke the sleeping bear

[notscience]

UNVOTE:

[notscience]

don't pretend I don't see you posting looking for a buddy amper

[notscience]

Fucking nacho

Can you stop being town in my head when you're so obviously scum

[notscience]

Let's be frank here

I'm a sucker for playing hard to get

pedit-

I'm not reacting to things in the thread? Do tell your reaction to my ghatovote

oh wait

that's right

[notscience]

The one thing that really bugs me

Above all else

Is that a ghato/amper scumteam means they decided they wanted to manipulate the everliving fuck out of the QT

OH THAT REMINDS ME

Mina how would you quantify CES's help in the QT

[notscience]

What developments in the thread

You voting Mala?

Okay.

It's not like I haven't been crystal clear on where I stand on people voting Mala since like D1.

A better angle for you to push is what changed- early in the game I would throw myself at whoever voted a strong townread and yet here I am not voting you. Is this opportunistic scum looking for a quickhammer or town trying to make sure they aren't stupid? I know I'm going to be here tomorrow, because it's not fucking lylo without me there. So, I'll do as I damn well please.

[notscience]

Like really

What did you expect me to do

Risk everything in a situation the I keep getting stuck in and fucking up in and vote you before I had seen other people post?

Really.

pedit-

How do you expect me to react to people calling me town when I'm as egotistical about my towngame as I am

I decided to hit the bars and get wasted, that'swhat

No seriously. She mentioned how Iwas decent in Natimini and I told her the only other game I played decently as scum and basically told her how to catch me as scum and explained why my reaction to being "caught" here differs from the other two

But sure

I didnt react

pedit-

It's directed at Nacho. Just because the acc got a PM doesn't mean he was fully aware. If F-16 mentioned that he told Nacho in the QT thatd suffice.

[notscience]

btw

You can argue with me until your fingers fall off

But I love to talk about how town I am

[notscience]

Let's look at why I'm town

1) throwing myself out there for my reads (with the exception of Medea who got what was coming to them by calling me scum). Hell, I threw myself in front of molliebert for some of my reads and after xmen I shouldn't of had the gusto to do it because I did that with FUCKING NACHO and I was wrong but whatever

2) I'm actually here posting instead of lurkaderping because activity is a scumtell for me, or moreso engagement in the game

3) I'm waffling like fuck and not taking the move I've postured about all game when it could have easily been done without too much rebuke

4) my role pm reads town

5) I doublechecked and it is in fact green

6) I'm not the one buddying up to mina in the neighborhood QT

7) I'm not the one who crossvoted in lylo while ironically it seems like the two people in the QT have the same reads versus the same reads of those out of it who have been actively trying to work together all game inthread that's been laid out for all to see while I guess I'll just have to take your word for it that you guys worked shit out in the QT

8) mollie called me town

9) Bert called me town

10) I'm here arguing about why I'm town instead of just making passing comments when people don't call me town

11) My name isn't listed in your role pm

12) I'm trying to solve the game as a whole rather than do this bullshit one step at a time thing

[notscience]

I'll post here more after I'm done working.

[notscience]

I promise more vomit

[notscience]

Nacho

this is a friendly invitation to go die in a hole

1) That's why I lurkaderped in Nati's game while it was going on at the same time as this one. That's why I lurked in my IC game.

No.

I don't post as scum, due to motivation loss. Nice try though

2) I'm better at being obvtown than you by about 200%. Do tell though, in what universe does scum-ns decide that the optimal kill is the lurkaderp conftown with a townread on him over you?

3) Don't buy the bravado. Selfvote was weak as fuck.

4) Why would I possibly not fight to save my next strongest townread after being so blatant in my defense of them all game? Paranoia. The fact we're both in lylo when I expressly said I wouldn't vote her. So no.

5) In what world does scum notscience decide that taking on town nacho in a 3p lylo is a good idea? Oh, that's right. He doesn't. Why? Because scum ns is a coward. Nice try though

6) It means you invited Amper explicitly to help manipulate whoever was in the neighborhood. You didn't get to post N1. In 542, you killed GIF instead of interacting with him N1. Seeing as the cat was out of the bag and you'd look bad if you killed them N2, you had to invite

someone

that was either easy to manipulate or assume a ruse with. Someone to back you up in the QT. Someone that, if they seemed too much a threat, or were catching on, you could kill off one medea and then bus the other.

7) Congratz, I waffled. okay. I've been waffling on everyone, the only one I've been explicit about is you today. That's pleasant.

8) It matters based on 542. If you found out after D1 was over you couldn't have just killed off Medea. You had to keep it going. So, if you found out DURING N1 I'd expect scum you to be like "yo guise lets kill medea" but no you didn't.

9) At least my town meta looks nothing like my fucking scum meta but apparently you can't see that so don't mind me. You aren't even fucking considering I could be town. I'm here in a mental back and forth over who to vote and yet here you are "scum team is x" and I'm really worried that Mina/Mala are the scumteam and decided that buddying me would help get the win which reminds me of xeno 2 and Cabd had told me after the game that he wouldn't have let syry give me shit had they been scum because don't isolate the conftown yada yada and then the like number one thing you want to do as scum is to set it up so you have someone to vote with you which is what Mala and mina both have so I'm sitting here wondering what to do

whatever the next fucking number is)

if

I was town I'd be pushing you? Why the fuck would I trust my read on you after you've snowed me game after game recently. Town me wouldn't trust my own read on you. Also, you've played so much scum recently and no doubt improved on your scumgame. Whose to say scum F-16 wouldn't want to learn from scum-Nacho? Take whatever the F-16/mastindra was about (I am in no way trying to be a dick about this but it's similar) where F-16 was trying to figure out why x was happening when he was scum. So, I don't buy it. Nope. Nada.

For fucks sake

I don't want to be here right now

Becuase I know I'm going to fuck it up and people are going to give me shit for it in postgame

[notscience]

Does anyone know what tbone and UT each prefer to do with their scumbuddies

[notscience]

The worst thing is

I really want mala to be town

But I don't want ot do the same exact bullshit I did with DBK either and have that lose the game

And I really want nacho to be town

But I don't think town nacho would be this fucking oblivious

[notscience]

I keep typing out a vote for ampersand then don't go through with it

[notscience]

I should have just selfvoted yesterday

Cabd/Peng wouldn't be waffling this much

>.>

[notscience]

Nacho why is it the only angles you can press are my behavior today and the end of yesterday

ohwait

Because I'm town and the rest of my play is obvious fucking town

[notscience]

VOTE: Ampersand

I'm done.

If Mala/Mina's scum, gg Mala/Mina, ns-bashing can commence now.

[notscience]

You have seriously just made my night

holy shit

[notscience]

OH NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

YOU GOT SOME SPLAINING TO DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[notscience]

So

Scumfuck

it's you and me now

You thought you could waltz in here

Act like you own the fucking place

declare yourself obvious town when the real obvtown is right here in the flesh

You try to push bullshit reasons on me being scum and put me on the defensive so I don't have time to try and sort things out and my judgement gets clouded

No.

Not happening.

[notscience]

NACHO FUCK YOU STOP FUCKING DOING THIS SHIT

[notscience]

v.v

[notscience]

I actually was starting to worry it was DBK 2.0

But what really tripped me up was Nacho's stance on her

Because I was basing it on who made more sense as a scumteam

Mala/Mina or Ghato/Amper

And i'm really pissed I unvoted nacho

[notscience]

Woo

I get to find it after sifting through post after post of disappointment

>.<

[notscience]

I kinda deserve it

Like, hindsight's 20/20. I mentioned sheeping you two from the grave and Mala said if I did she'd rename me ns the sheeple which was like nudging me away from the ghato vote because really that's all I had on nacho other than "your read on me is shit"

[notscience]

And it gets even worse because I did the same shit and let friends into m townbloc in fucking dark ages too

New rule

If I like you in any way shape or form

you aren't allowed in my townbloc

[notscience]

ALSO SORRY BERT I NEVER MENTIONED SHEEPING YOU

v.v

pedit-

I like to townhunt and compare my stuff to my townreads. I have a way easier time figuring out who is town rather than drawing the connections for scum. I might try to adjust it once I lower my gamecount a bit.

[notscience]

See

it didn't even sound mean at the time

but it was like

jokingly manipulative

[notscience]

I also owe Hanzo an apology as he was spot on D1 >.>

[notscience]

I'm sorry I kinda overreacted earlier Mina

You really weren't that out of line v.v