Mini 1572 - The Network [Game Over]

[Aegor]

Wait, no.

UNVOTE
VOTE cxinlee

Center of the board is scum. If it were town then scum wouldn't be able to communicate.

That is some bad setup spec. Scum could have daytalk regardless of network position.

VOTE: cxinlee

[Aegor]

Shmeh shmeh. I figured it was enough for an RVS vote.

There could be many different ways this game works.

Hence the futility of setup spec, at least for right now.

I do not like your response.

VOTE: snscompt1

[Aegor]

Wait, no.

UNVOTE
VOTE cxinlee

Center of the board is scum. If it were town then scum wouldn't be able to communicate.

That is some bad setup spec. Scum could have daytalk regardless of network position.

VOTE: cxinlee

Why did you vote CX here?

Hmm...My preferred answer would have gotten me modkilled, so I will go with my general desire to build wagons.

[Aegor]

Wait, so we should severely restrict our lynch pool based on the possibility that your setup speculation may be correct? I just am trying to make sure that you are, indeed, subscribing to play that would screw us over.

[Aegor]

It is my opinion that we should lynch between those 4 people. This isn't out guess the mod this is logic.

It is outguessing the mod because your entire logical structure relies on outguessing the mod.

The scum have to be able to target every player in the game or else the game would be unbalanced. If there is a player the scum can't target with an action that would mean the player HAS to be lynched. Lynching is controlled by the town and is the only guaranteed power which we have. Making a town player only kill-able by a town power wouldn't be fair.

Do you believe that scum are not able to target everyone in the game?

The answer is completely irrelevant. I have no way of knowing. It would not surprise me if scum could target anyone. But that does not mean that the standard node structure applies to maf kills.

[Aegor]

You misread:

The players within this game are considered individual nodes in a connected network. These connections determine the flow and reach of abilities. (If your role has an ability, your

Role PM will dictate available targets for any actions

. This

generally

means that you will only be able to target people directly connected to you.)

All the mod has to tell the maf is that NKs reach up to three nodes away and your theory is irrelevant. Why would you think the mod would design such an obviously broken game?

@Mod: Has this game been checked for balance?

[Aegor]

The actions could mean that 5 can attack 9 because they have a partner connected to 9. That would explain the generally statement.

Or it could mean that one or more players have actions that have distance greater than one node's worth.

You say that is obviously broken but then why did no one say anything about it if it was so obvious?

No, I said that it would be obviously broken if you were correct and your misinterpretation of the rules were correct.

[Aegor]

BC, I do not get your hard-on for setup spec. Of course the node is not a red herring. It undoubtedly affects

some

players' actions. That does not mean that we should be lynching based off of it. The fact that it is not merely flavor does not at all mean that it should guide lynches, especially on the first day.

[Aegor]

It is all we have to go off of at this point so it is a good place to start.

That does not follow.

No one else is giving ideas on where to start.

The same place all games start would be my recommendation.

[Aegor]

@Mod: Thanks!

I hope the mod's response has put this matter to rest.

The people I want to lynch are the people who don't like my theory. What are the chances of that?

If you are scum, very high. If you are town, too high.

Also, like I have said it is a theory and it is the only one we have.

That does not make it better than no theory.

I also said I might not have gotten all of the possible combinations. Lastly I said it was most likely for the scum to be in those 2 pairs of people. You aren't explaining why it is bad you are just saying it is bad.

Because you have not presented a compelling case that the scum are more likely to be in any set of nodes than any other set of modes. Perhaps subsequent evidence will change that, but we have absolutely no flips and no information upon which to base any setup speculation. Therefore we should not engage in it, period.

Aegor is saying lets ignore what I have said and just pretend this is a normal game. This isn't a normal game so doing what normally happens isn't going to help.

This is such crap I do not even know how to respond. Are you saying that standard scumhunting somehow does not apply to this game? Do you expect to receive divine messages or get beamed information (cf. Philip K. Dick) about the setup? The mod has stated the game is balanced. Therefore it is obviously not able to be broken on Day 1 via setup spec.

[Aegor]

VOTE: Nobody Special

[Aegor]

But suddenly, naked vote on NS! Why?

Aegor, what's with the Nobody_Special vote? It seems pretty random.

I will join my voice to many others in asking, "Aegor, what's the deal?"

I admit that I cannot see the confusion; the reason for my vote seems perfectly obvious to me.

BC is attempting setup spec/outguessing the mod. This attempt is misguided and anti-town. Yet nothing in BC's posts suggest any actual knowledge of the setup, nor do I detect any nefarious intent in any of his posts. He just seems to be pushing a bad idea.

On the other hand, NS completely misrepped BC by suggesting that he would lynch slots regardless of whether the people in them are scummy ("No mention whatsoever about inherent towniness or lack thereof."). This is just factually inaccurate, as BC has said, because he stated that he would not lynch people he really thought were town, etc. Moreover, jumping on BC is just lazy because his idea is bad. NS did not actually explain why BC's idea was truly scummy, nor did he point out any legitimate scumminess in BC's posting. His only argument depends on a selective reading of BC's posts, and he has maintained in his last post that BC is changing his story, which is simply not true.

[Aegor]

I wouldn't call that a misrep. Pushing for lynches based on setup spec is exactly what Charizard was doing.

That is not the point at issue. NS asserted that BC was pushing for lynches regardless of scumminess. This is

demonstrably

false. It is not open to disagreement because BC explicitly stated that he would not lynch someone he thought was town.

Charizard has also changed his story, or rather, changed the results that his supposed mathematical ideas give.

In what way, specifically?

[Aegor]

The reasoning for choosing which numbers to attack was not the same in post 17 as it was later,

Not true. Later, he simply added two additional slots based on the frequency of appearance. The other nodes he wanted to lynch among remained in play for the original reasons. He did not alter his justification; he simply expanded the scope.

and he added two more targets without explanation, and they just happened to be his detractors.

He absolutely explained why they were added. But it could still be an opportunistic play, yes.

And, of course, he cannot address the counter that his idea doesn't actually help find scum at all. It only helps to determine whose abilities would be the most effective. His whole point ignores that roles are random.

I agree. That does not make BC scum.

[Aegor]

I don't agree with this, and I don't think Aegor would agree with this characterization either. I don't wish to speak for Aegor, but I would be hardpressed to believe that he absolutely doesn't believe in setup speculation. And I don't know where you get "against everyone" from. That's over-the-top.

You are correct.


Anyway, not feeling good about SiX's posts, which are generally non-committal but also involve no actual scumhunting.

VOTE: SiX[/post]

But still not liking NS' posting, especially the accusation that RC was defending BC (and that this is somehow scummy).

[Aegor]

VOTE: SiX

[Aegor]

I'd like for him to post more before I explain further.

I am tiring of this cagey nonsense. Please do not waste our time with extremely vague statements that take up room in this thread without being verifiable or even intelligible. Let cxinlee respond, then actually explain what you are talking about in detail or do not mention it again.

[Aegor]

If this does not net scum or clear someone within a single one of cxinlee's responses, I am going to throw an actual hissy fit.

[Aegor]

Actually, I do not even need to wait for one of cxinlee's responses to know this is an abortive effort in the first place.

cxinlee never defended you as town, as cxinlee himself pointed out. I can also think of no associative role that justifies a belief that the other party is scum anyway.

So basically, stop being mean and definitely stop being cagey.

[Aegor]

He said that RedCoyote townslipped; he has not commented on you all game.

And I really do not know what the hell is wrong with you people. What the fuck kind of Mafia games have you been playing in which mods are so fundamentally incompetent as to design games breakable on Day 1 via setup spec? I mean, this is unbelievable.

If you believe that your role should

compel

cxinlee to think you are scum, then you are slinging really filthy mud at kunkstar's face.

[Aegor]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Coyote made what cxinlee thought was a slip:

I don't like that he's talking about scum communication. It implies that he has too much knowledge about whether the scum have day talk (or a lackthereof) to me. I wouldn't have even considered the idea of using nodes to talk/not talk between scum.

Cxinlee thought this was a slip because RC said "day talk (or lack thereof)" when this setup is NIGHTLESS, thus lack of daytalk = no communication. That is clearly what cxinlee was talking about, because that was the quote and explanation he gave right in the fucking middle of his post.

[Aegor]

Still super comfortable with my SiX vote for all the reasons Paschendale has mentioned.

[Aegor]

VOTE: sns

Whoops.

[Aegor]

But now I pose a question to you. What information have I given scum about the setup that they wouldn't already know? I'd love to know.

The fact that you and cxinlee have some sort of associated PR, you donut!

[Aegor]

This SiX wagon feels a bit too easy to me. It is making me uncomfortable.

[Aegor]

Yes I know. I stand by what I said. I know of 5 people who are either scum or have a PR. The end. No idea who is who nor will I spill their names. Aegor and Charizard, you guys both misunderstand. I said I know of 5 roles. THERE COULD BE MORE. But I know of five.

Really? So you were provided with the number of scum?

[Aegor]

How on earth did you divine that from my statement?

You said 5/13 are scum or PRs.

Are you claiming CERTAIN knowledge of PRs outside your own/cxinlee's? If not, how do you know there are 5?

[Aegor]

That post counted as real to you, Porkens?

[Aegor]

How on earth did you divine that from my statement?

You said 5/13 are scum or PRs.

Are you claiming CERTAIN knowledge of PRs outside your own/cxinlee's? If not, how do you know there are 5?

Rephrase: How do you know there are 5 PRs + scum combined?

[Aegor]

Lord.

Unvote, vote: aegor

Just because?

[Aegor]

I am not rolefishing. I am attempting to determine whether sns scumslipped.

[Aegor]

I am not rolefishing. I am attempting to determine whether sns scumslipped.

My actual serious opinion: no.

Well, we will find out when sns posts.

[Aegor]

I still want sns to respond.

[Aegor]

Because they are not necessarily the same.

Anyway, whatever. I will let it drop. But I will also be fine voting sns if such a wagon were to form.

[Aegor]

You realize we already went over that right? The whole 5/13 thing. I even scum read sns for it. Did you read the thread or no?

Yes. I do not remember a satisfactory response.

But I will back off, as requested.

[Aegor]

I hated Six's first few posts because they were riding the fence and seemed scummy to me. I wanted him lynched for that. Then he posted one post that was better, so I dropped my vote.

What made his most recent post better, besides length? Because that is the only different I saw.

[Aegor]

Because the reasoning is weak? The composition makes you uncomfortable? They started too quickly?

[Aegor]

It had actual opinions and stances rather than wishy-washy psudo-analysis. I'm not saying that one post keeps him from the rope, because he hasn't followed it up in any way, but it got him off my MUSTLYNCHNOW list.

Who populates that list currently?

[Aegor]

Re-read notes:

NS's 59 is a total misrep and especially awful, as I explained. His subsequent disappearance does nothing to allay my suspicion.

idk's agreement with NS in 62 is terrible for similar reasons. Also, he questions my naked NS vote, which hardly seems worth mentioning at that point in the game.

Snarky's 64 is both ill-founded and opportunistic. He redeemed himself in 83.

SC has largely been posting fluff and engaged in no real scumhunting.

Not liking cxinlee's relative silence.

tman

, say something. Otherwise I will push for your policy lynch. And I get off on policy lynches.

VOTE: NobodySpecial

SiX wagon is meh. Would not strongly oppose if it still exists when we hit deadline. idk is unimpressive. tman is absentee. SC is unacceptably going with the flow and avoiding any strong stances or even any scumhunting.

Lynchpool: {tman, NobodySpecial, SC}

Possibly additions: {SiX, idk, sns}

[Aegor]

I honestly don't know how to explain it any better than I already have. Frankly, I don't care anymore. If you're going to continue picking at an old sore such as that, fine. I've moved on.

Do you mind pointing out where you explained it in the first place? Do you mind explaining onto what you have moved?

[Aegor]

Nope. My problem with your posts was raised subsequently and received no response from you whatsoever.

[Aegor]

sns, do not answer this question. I will defend you to the death and take any heat for making this comment. I don't agree with the way you've played this game, but I'm 100% confident that you are town. I'll forgive people that do not agree with me, but I won't forgive people that are trying to take advantage of your mistakes. Aegor and beast are now both guilty of this.

Why on earth would you be 100% confident in any read unless it is mod-confirmed? That makes no sense and is bad play because it closes your mind.

Of course he didn't scumslip, you fiend. Good gravy, how could any sane/non-scum person come to the conclusion that sns "accidentally" told people the 5/13 thing. To seriously consider that as a slip is straight-up insanity.

Why? Say that sns is scum and an associative PR with cxinlee, and that there are three scum, which sns obviously knows. sns does not count himself as scum (obviously), so 2+3 = 5, hence the 5/13. I can totally see that happening.

[Aegor]

Oh, get off your ivory tower. I'll read people the way I want to, thank you very much. This isn't my first rodeo, and I don't make my statements lightly. If I say I'm 100% confident in my sns townread, I mean it.

I hope for the town's collective sake that your 100% confidence accuracy rate is 100%.

Suffice it to say that you're making boatloads of assumptions all founded on the faulty premise that sns is a brilliant scum mastermind

Precisely the opposite. I think it is possible that he was careless.

that made the strategic choice to out his partner in order to get people to think he was "too stupid" to be scum.

Are you even reading my posts? At no point do I assume he outed his partner. What are you even talking about?

[Aegor]

i.e. the 5 comes from:

1 -- sns (scum, but counts himself as town)
1 -- cxinlee (sns knows town)
3 -- scum

No partner outed. You must be confusing what I am saying with what someone else is saying.

[Aegor]

And Aegor, I still don't see what you're saying about the 5/13. Assuming three scum, are we also assuming 3 PR roles?

NO.

ASSUMING you are scum, your number 5 came from:

3 scum
1 cxinlee role (not scum)
1 you, who are both scum and an associative PR or w/e with cxinlee. Obviously you do not lump yourself with the scum, even though you are.

Thus the thought process I think it is possible you underwent is something like the following:

I know there are three scum. I also know I am a PR with cxinlee. I will therefore say 5/13, since I will present myself as a town PR.

No criminal mastermind thinking necessary.


This has become very dull. May we please move on?

[Aegor]

Yes, I suppose I'm confusing it with idk or beast. All these kooky "scumslip" theories sound alike to me, so you'll have to forgive me. The idea that someone would seriously sit there and think that sns "carelessly" said 5/13 boggles my mind. It's quite clear he was very deliberate and purposeful when he made that comment. It was not careless, accidental or inadvertent in the least. He knew exactly what he was doing.

The fact that he produced a number deliberately does not exclude the possibility that he carelessly generated that number.


Anyway, I want reads from people.

[Aegor]

Does anyone oppose an NS lynch?

[Aegor]

I am sure.

[Aegor]

It's quite obvious he's town for this. What's your argument for him doing this as scum?

Either you take the position of Aegor, that he did this "carelessly" and the "5/13" was accidentally typed up in, presumably...Either scenario is laughably absurd and completely unreasonable.

You push this at your own peril, beast, because I think you're harming this town to reduce it to such nonsense. Rest assured I will be hammering that point home all day, every day until/unless you capitulate.

RC, why are you not reading my posts? The only thing unreasonable is your apparent illiteracy in a game that relies entirely on reading.

[Aegor]

RC, nothing in your ISO justifies the selection of BC over SC or NS. The only reason you have given for voting him is that he is pumping sns for information, which is exactly what I would if I were dealing with more rational players.

So explain to me why is lynch is so much better than the other two.

[Aegor]

Not reading your posts? I've spent more time contemplating this sns situation than any other player in this game.

I am sure you are aware of the impossibility of your actually proving that statement.

So you're telling me you didn't use the word "carelessly" to describe sns' drop?

I did not use it in the way you asserted I did.

I've bent over backwards to understand your cockamamie theories. They don't make any sense whatsoever.

It was the first thought that came to mind. In fact, it was so immediately plausible that its inception (hahahahahahaha) was unnoticeable.

For you to seriously consider that as a "scumslip" is illogical and absurd.

No, it is not. It is perfectly reasonable, even if incorrect.

How am I supposed to describe a supposed scumslip (the exact word you used, Aegor) if not with "accidental"? I can appreciate that your pride is hurt by me calling you out for such garbage, but your insults won't get me to change my mind, try as you might.

It is not garbage, and your insults are pathetic given that they only thinly veil your utter lack of reading comprehension and your obviously unsound strategy to name-call instead of responding substantively.

beast's rolefishing is much more sinister in that he started active lurking once I started calling him out for it, effectively shielding him from the spotlight.

He was always active lurking because his original idea involved no scumhunting.

After already taking a lot of flak for his bad outguess-the-Mod theories earlier in this game, he was likely wise enough to simply duck any further scrutiny at the end of this day lest he swing the momentum back toward him.

I think this is the only real argument in favor of his lynch.

Further, beast is

still

letting his vote languish ineffectively despite being well informed of the fact that sns will not be lynched today and no one, aside from you, has shown even the slightest of interest in joining him.

That just tells me beast has principles.

[Aegor]

PS = NS?

[Aegor]

Both of these accusations are very weak. The evidence supports a natural development of his beastcharizard read, and you don't demonstrate how RedCoyote is white-knighting snscompt1.

Are we reading the same thread? RC is very clearly white knighting sns.

[Aegor]

Attacking a bad wagon to try to prevent a mislynch is not white knighting.

Correct. Fortunately for my assertion, that is not what happened.

Or maybe white knighting is just when the person whose wagon is bad is angry about the attacks on it?

Nope. That did not happen either, so it is also irrelevant.


This is unequivocal WKing:

sns, do not answer this question. I will defend you to the death and take any heat for making this comment. I don't agree with the way you've played this game, but I'm 100% confident that you are town.

[Aegor]

Those voting solo

: please join a larger wagon, start a new one (with justification), or post/link to a case in support of your vote candidate.

Those not voting

: please vote, or explain why you are unwilling to vote one of the current wagons.

[Aegor]

And scum would be this obvious... why?

Irrelevant. It is still WKing. And obviously scum would be willing to be that obvious if sns is actually town, which scum know.

[Aegor]

I've seen a lot of players act as if they're completely sure of things. It hasn't worked out to be a scumtell. It's usually just bravado.

I am not saying that it is a scumtell; I am saying that your reply to NS (that RC was merely pointing out a bad wagon) is completely false. There are plenty of ways to do that without saying that you know the wagonee is 100% town.

[Aegor]

Mod: Please see SiX's latest post, in case you only read bolded stuff

[Aegor]

There's no "good" way to frame it, Aegor. This isn't just some political disagreement over whether or not you should self-vote or something, you know. It was and is a horrible argument that only served to hurt this town.

Maybe we should wait until sns's alignment is actually revealed to us before making grandiose claims. There was a good way to frame it, and given your demonstrated history of confusing what I was saying with what others was saying, forgive me for questioning whether you even now actually comprehend anything I wrote.

I'll slam any argument that hurts the town and go after the person making it. I'll do it every time.

It did not and has not hurt the town; that extremity is completely unjustifiable.

And that excuses it?

That depends on whether you think setup spec is scummy.

[Aegor]

There's absolutely no way on God's green earth that the 5/13 comment came from scum. Absolutely no way. Unless you are prepared to argue that sns is a scum mastermind that is WIFOMing me to embarrassing heights, there is absolutely no way that's coming from scum. None. What's more, people that are trying to take advantage of him or call him scum are directly harming this game. It's a wonder to me that no one else is willing to stand by my side on this.

Because your argument is real fucking stupid. In no way does one

need

to assume either that sns is attempting WIFOM or that he is a mastermind in order to believe that 5/13 was a scumslip. Maybe if you stopped talking about this, it would ago away.


Liking Snarky's SC case.

[Aegor]

5/13 was the comment

[Aegor]

Given the cases posted, I am fine with {SC, NS} lynches.

[Aegor]

Calling this a slip, of any kind, is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. It suggests he has some kind of information about the setup, but has no bearing on alignment at all. What a waste of time.

Really? How often do town players

know

how many scum there are in closed setups?

[Aegor]

Why would the fact that the setup is nightless have anything to do with the days having deadlines?

[Aegor]

Then how did you get 5/13?

[Aegor]

Hasn't this already been answered? *sigh*

Nope

[Aegor]

Pedit.Yes it has. Maybe not role revealing as youd like but it has been answered.

It has absolutely not been answered.

[Aegor]

do it

[Aegor]

VOTE: SC

[Aegor]

Or maybe maf do not get a kill?

[Aegor]

Yes, especially in nightless setups.

[Aegor]

Assasins in the Palace, Black Flag Nightless, Nomination Mafia, We Need a Fifth, Nightless Vengeful Mayhem all have no maf nightkill. You are welcome to look at their Wiki pages for links to games run with those setups. I was in a Nomination Mafia game; you can check my thread history.

[Aegor]

And a We Need a Fifth IIRC (may have been a similar setup).

[Aegor]

Didnt see that coming.

Does anyone have a dayvig?

[Aegor]

oops. doesn't matter, was going to vote ns.

I don't get the sc wagon, and I don't like. how quickly it popped up. Ill probably analyse everyone, expect it up by tommorow.

Start contributing, or I will do my best to get you lynched.

This is a great idea. Flash lynch so we get jack shit from the day.

Wow, what a stereotypically town thing to say. How about actually scumhunting? Thanks in advance.

[Aegor]

Who thinks SC is town?

[Aegor]

Didnt see that coming.

Does anyone have a dayvig?

Why did you ask this? Why did you ask sns this?

Because I want sns vigged, and the quoted portion is the reason why.

Either Mafia has daykills instead of nightkills or there is a serial killer. beastcharizard had not been under suspicion since his theory as to who's scum ceased being the center of discussion, so I am not buying beast being dayvigged.

I am not following this train of thought at all. Could you explain?


If I am not voting for SC, I am voting for cxinlee. Not getting why Pasch is under particular suspicion.

[Aegor]

Yes. The setup is nightless. And commentary on NKs that leads absolutely nowhere always feels off to me.

[Aegor]

Wait what. You knew we werent going to have a kill?

That is not what you asked. You asked whether I "saw it coming." The idea that we would have no nightkill should be surprising to no one because this setup is

nightless

. Maybe maf submit a kill order by the lynch. Maybe there is a delayed kill, like a poisoner. Maybe there is a normal daykill. Maybe the kill is determined by the previous day's votes. Maybe there is no maf kill whatsoever.

All of those came to mind within like 5 seconds of reading the word "nightless" in the setup rules.

[Aegor]

Why would RC thinking that beast was scum make RC look bad?

[Aegor]

Some explain Pasch scum to me.

[Aegor]

Do not even try that. More players are town than scum. If you think Pasch is worthy of a lynch,

onus probandi

is firmly on your shoulders.

[Aegor]

EXPLAIN PASCH SCUM TO ME USING ACTUAL QUOTES/REFERENCES TO POSTS PLEASE.

Please.

[Aegor]

As I said earlier, this is an inconsistency, since the NS wagon was not better explained than the Coug one, and if he had original reasons to vote NS,he should have mentionned them before being asked to mention them. Town motivation: Can't see. Scum motivation: If Coug is scum, to support a townie wagon while destroying the wagon on his buddy.

There is no inconsistency. Pasch did not vote NS because the SC wagon was well-explained or better-explained; he voted NS for lack of scumhunting and for an unexplained vote on SC. It is right there in the post. Those are his reasons.

And then he won't even defend his scumread on me.

unvote

The following is my current lynchpool:

{Porkens, cxinlee, SC}

[Aegor]

VOTE: cxinlee

[Aegor]

Aegor: Again, it's not his NS vote that is inconsistent. It's the fact that he attacked the Coug wagon saying it was misexplained while voting NS with no more explanation (and don't say saying "scumhunting has been sparse" is a detailled explanation).

That is a sufficiently detailed explanation. Either NS' posts contain content, or they do not. If they do not, which was Pasch's claim, then it is obviously impossible to pinpoint specific problems with them and one is forced to say something like "scumhunting has been sparse."

[Aegor]

I feel like idk is a VT. The slacking and saying you'll get to it is how I typically am as VT. Cxinlee or Six wouldn't be a totally bad idea though.

OMG. You have so got to die.



Would be fine lynching idk tomorrow; not today.

[Aegor]

What is wrong with the cxinlee wagon?

And Porkens is plummeting down into the depths of my scumreads for a succession of bad cases followed by votes presented as legit when in fact they seem opportunistic.

[Aegor]

here will post later today or tomorrow

[Aegor]

So,

Pork and sns

, you are telling us that you are Masons,

not

Neighbors, i.e. you have

guarantees[/i] of each others' alignments. Is that correct?

Fine with cxinlee lynch.

[Aegor]

Well...

Snarky, I agree with The Rufflig. Claiming after a successful hide would have been my choice, but whatevs.

I am super bummed because I did not like Snarky or Porkens' leaps onto the Pasch wagon, but one is a Mason and other claimed PR, so at least one of them is a definite dead end.

I assume someone will die in-thread shortly.


My top lynch for today is idk.

[Aegor]

So VOTE: idk

[Aegor]

Fine with the day ending soon, honestly.

If IDK flips town, Porkens should absolutely be lynched tomorrow. His reasoning for voting IDK is truly horrendous and his defense of cxinlee is hella scummy. Also, I totally did not get that he was gifted his PR. LOL

[Aegor]

I mean Snarky, whoops. Thanks.

[Aegor]

That still does not make the reasoning any better.

[Aegor]

As an expert on my own alignment, I can tell y'all right now that if there are three scum and scum have a range of one node, they absolutely cannot reach every position on the board.

Ruff, why the Saki vote? What is wrong with idk?

[Aegor]

Do it.

[Aegor]

The only thing wrong with an idk lynch is that I'm not a fan of lynching someone who isn't present.

Nope.

I think he'd be my second choice right now

, but we're obviously going with the IDK lynch.

Agree wholeheartedly. Although...is it bad I am getting cold feet about the idk lynch?

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Some hammer before I unvote.

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I want a Saki or The Rufflig lynch today. Interesting posts below.

Spoiler:

I said 2 lynches and you are telling me that we only have 2 mislynches in the game? How did you get hold of this information?

Interesting question, especially since BC died. SC did respond, but obviously the response is unverifiable.

Fair enough. I like that post, actually. I like that you stood your ground. If you'd have backed off or tried to reinterpret what you said to please me, I'd still be more suspicious of you.

UNVOTE: snscompt1; VOTE: SiX

I don't like either of his posts.

Could you elaborate? Both of his posts are just fluff so far.

Possible defense?

But I liked your last post, so I remove you and cxinlee from my scumlist for now, cxinlee because of the townslip thing.

Also, he's the only one that I think could have killed beast if the beast kill was a mafia kill. Red and CX are most probably town because of the townslip thing.

Also, not a fan of the six wagon.

@six: Read the post again.

More defense of SiX?

As such, I don't agree with your townread on Charizard, nor with your scumread on CX. I reach the opposite conclusion from the same information.

Hmm...

...Actually, I like cxinlee better than RedCoyote as scum. There's nothing in his ISO that's worth saving him, while I've felt the other two reasonably townie all game.
VOTE: cxinlee

I don't get the cxinlee wagon. I'd prefer a SiX wagon over a cxinlee one.

I'd rather have Pasch.

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VOTE: The Rufflig

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Calling for sns lynch (WTF?), not-so-believable claim, general lack of scumhunting.

Kind of on the fence about Snarky because although I find his content scummy, I also see the possible town motivation. I liked Pasch but re-reads have made be suspect him on feel/gut, but that could be the confirmation bias prompted by others' suspicions of him.

[Aegor]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aegor

I changed my mind and I want to start here

Explain plz.

[Aegor]

I am not following your reasoning at all; please explain it as you would to a young child. Also, I have barely been reading your posts, so maybe I should do that.

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How is RC alignment-confirmed? Did I miss something?

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Also tempted to vote Rufflig, as I did yesterday.

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Wait, that makes no sense. Re-reading to decide between SC and Pasch.

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Pasch is pretty obviously scum. SG led the wagon on cx, which would be bussing hardcore. Pasch's trajectory on CX is awful. He goes from null-town to scum with no explanation, but holds off (admittedly!!!!) on voting him until it is clear that the lynch is inevitable, q.v. his posts leading up to 517

I would vote but am going to bed and do not want to risk a quicklynch, in case I am wrong.

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I re-evaluated my positions based on new information and claims. Why exactly should I not have done this?

Your question presupposes the accuracy of the preceding sentence. Re-evaluation is always good. I simply find it more likely, given the lack of trajectory and the lack of explanation for scumreading cxinlee, that you are his buddy, indicating suspicion but holding off the wagon until the lynch was certainly going through. Do not act like my interpretation is baseless; we both know it is not.

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I think Pasch is scum.

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Also, I think maf only gets odd-night kills or some weird mechanic like that. Nevertheless, we should assume it is lylo.

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What part of lylo do you not understand?

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Oookay. Any objections to a Pasch lynch should be voiced immediately.

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I almost hammered.

Then I had second thoughts.

RC, did you claim a role? For some reason I thought you did at some point. I know that is absurd; I just need to sort out all these PRs and confirm that Snarky was limited to the nearest nodes and that he did not target you.

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Good job scum. SC avoided scummy posts. I should have pushed The Rufflig harder. Legit thought Pasch was scum, especially given SC as the alternative.