Mini 1578: Lord of the Rings!! - GaME OVeR

[Drew-Sta]

Confirm role.

[Drew-Sta]

I'm voting the hydra. I never liked the taste of mango.

VOTE: ThreetoMango

[Drew-Sta]

There's a lot of butthurt in this thread. You kids need to relax more.

[Drew-Sta]

I can't believe you role claimed as Frodo at L-4. And still got lynched! That's somefunny fucking shit right there rein. Remind me to play a game with you where I'm mafia - the easy mislynch and ensuing /ragequit would be even funnier when red.

[Drew-Sta]

Oh I didn't even catch he self-hammered.
So much for derphammers.

@Drew: I take it you think reinoe's claim is correct?

Doesn't matter what I think - its already done. We'll find out soon. To be honest, the L-4 role claim does seem quite desperate. If he's town, then he has zero confidence in his ability to dissuade people from the obvious stupidity of such a lynch; not to mention a spitting of the dummy that would make a toddler proud.

[Drew-Sta]

I can't believe you role claimed as Frodo at L-4. And still got lynched! That's somefunny fucking shit right there rein. Remind me to play a game with you where I'm mafia - the easy mislynch and ensuing /ragequit would be even funnier when red.

If you don't mind after this game. I'll be adding this quote to my wiki-page.

By all means

[Drew-Sta]

Here you go.

[Drew-Sta]

*shrug* Reasons.

Let me guess: 'You got a scum read on me because my playstyle is different?'

[Drew-Sta]

Order is wrong, but the below are the lynches minus rein's self vote. Makes sense to me that mafia is in that lot. At least, one of them.

Of all of them, Aronis' is the strangest. The guy confirms his character then Aronis, rather than wait to see if someone else claims, jumps right on to lynch.

VOTE: reinoe

VOTE: reinoe

Trying to better understand yourself?

Leaning Town on The Three Amangos and Bulba. Leaning scum on reinoe, and thinking FailHydra is his partner at the moment.

Unvote;
Vote: reinoe

Aronis, I like it. Helps differentiate between fluff and serious stuff...

This is the only thing making me doubt my Aronis scumread.

I also think the questions are more attempts to look like he's doing something, rather than actually doing something.

The common rule is that your scum list should have as many people as there are scum.

No, your scum list should consist of the people you are reading as scum. Arbitrarily assigning a certain amount of people to the scum list just so that it matches the actual amount of scum is fake scumhunting.

Do You Vote without a reason in order to gauge reactions or do you like giving a reason for your votes?

Not telling. That would ruin any attempts at pressure in the future.

I've stumbled across people here and there saying "consistency" is scummy but there is no way I can see hypocrisy as acceptable from town.

I've seen hypocrisy from town. It all comes down to judging intent.

Leaning Town on The Three Amangos and Bulba. Leaning scum on reinoe, and thinking FailHydra is his partner at the moment.

Why is FH scum?

I'm in no mood to fight a flashwagon that consists of:

a vote based on confirming that the game is starting,
an RVS vote,
a possible misinterpretation of the English Language,
and I don't even know what Toogeloos vote is about but whatev

Claiming now.

Frodo baggins
Town Aligned Hobbit Ringbearer
1x unkillable

If I'm killed the ring falls into the hands of sauron and the town faces a penalty.

This smells like BS.

Unvote

Vote Reinoe

VOTE: reinoe

Sorry, not buying it. But hey, if we are wrong at least you don't die!

We really need a QT, 'cause we're gonna get crazy-diss otherwise.

/confoim

Town.

Confirm

Scum.

/Confirm....

I thought this was wrastling, like King of the Ring. Was hoping for Bam Bam Bigelow, instead I get some D&D looking mofo. At least he looks like Andre the Giant.

Probably

town.

/confirming
Nice to see some familiar faces.

Probably

scum.

VOTE: Guyett

alphabet strategy? you do know the guy who did that ended up voting out his own allies

One of Guyett/Freja scum, but not the other.

Gondor Calls For Aid To:
VOTE: reinoe.

[Drew-Sta]

Proto - want to wait and see more peoples comment.

VOTE: Aronis for reasons I posted yesterday.

I also vehemently support a Bulb wagon. Dayvigs, act now!

So I am responsible for reinoe idiotically hammering himself?

That's a cop out of a comment and you know it.

[Drew-Sta]

you are responsible for putting a PRish claim to L-1 knowing a quickhammer was a definite possibility. Don't hide under the fact that Reinoe was derpy and quickhammered.

His claim was fake

and while a quickhammer may have been possible, he likely wouldn't have been quickhammered if he hadn't quickhammered himself.

How did you know at the time?

Yep.

Vote: Aronis

[Drew-Sta]

Drew any reason why you only voted now? Not with 185

I try not to go off half cocked. Got stuck on a tunnel in a game SNS will know about and ended up being wildly wrong.

A little more caution was my take away, and a more collaborative approach rather than being a typical gung ho Aussie.

I said as much here.

[Drew-Sta]

@ Bulba

Because they only came forward to defend him AFTER the fact. And they were defending him HARD, which doesn't make sense given the nature of his claim and actions. Town at this point would either be berating Reinoe, or anxiously waiting the flip. Some of them would maybe even be trying to get some discussion in twilight. Defending Reinoe as town at that point, especially given his strong anti-town actions, comes across as an attempt to gain towncred after a town flip.

This makes a lot of sense.

If there is a correlating poster who stuck off Rein

and

defended him after the fact, then I would support a lynch on that basis.

Of course, this is if the theory holds. If I were mafia, and town had just lynched someone I knew was town, I would keep my mouth shut. There were a few people who behaved in this manner too.

[Drew-Sta]

Havent read any of this page yet but dear lord, I will kill the next person to post a wall of text.

[Drew-Sta]

Anyone on the Aronis wagon should feel bad.

Why?

[Drew-Sta]

Ok. Had a look at a few people. Put it in spoiler because fuck long posts.

Spoiler: Proto

P-Edit: Drew; you see the light! Join me!

This seems to be buddying.

I've got a better idea. Instead of pestering the hell out of that stupid wagon. We pretend we're restarting the game without that idiotic fool?

Stupid post. Why?

I sware to god this town is so fucking stupid. So is the goal to get as many mislynches as possible as fast as possible? Because I must say, you're doing pretty good.

Why are you referring to town in the third person, somewhat indicating you aren't part of them?

VOTE: reinoe

What the bloody fuckin hell happened.

people went pants on head stupid.

Yet you also joined in?

Seems like you forgot that fact conveniently.

UNVOTE: Aronis

He seems like a dick, but a comment he made makes me think he's just a dick, rather than a mafia-dick.

[Drew-Sta]

Anyone on the Aronis wagon should feel bad.

Why?

Because he's town.

Like its obvious to me that he's todays scum mislynch

Yes, I tend to agree with you after having a look at him.

Right now, Proto and yourself are the ones that interest me.

[Drew-Sta]

I hate meta. But it seems to have caught me out last time I played...

Proto's buddying and seeming attempt to gain towncred by badmouthing the lynch is fairly compelling at this point.

VOTE: Proto[/unvote]

[Drew-Sta]

loldefuckinglol. Don't drink wine and mafia.

VOTE: Proto

[Drew-Sta]

I sware to god this town is so fucking stupid. So is the goal to get as many mislynches as possible as fast as possible? Because I must say, you're doing pretty good.

Why are you referring to town in the third person, somewhat indicating you aren't part of them?

Why the face palm?

BTW, much hangover. Wow.

[Drew-Sta]

You're claiming Elrond, eh Freja?

[Drew-Sta]

Keeping tabs eh SNS?

I suspect both Proto and Aronis right now.

What I've noticed is Bulba is actually attempting to start a lynch train; which is risky to do as mafia. He's also done this off his own bat. Last game I played with him, he was more reactive rather than proactive. To me, that's the difference and why I think he's town.

So he could be mafia, but I'm not getting that impression from his posting.

[Drew-Sta]

lolol. Just realised its a miscount. Sorry sns.

Fun fact - I drank two bottles of wine last night and it took me twenty minutes to properly write the last post.

[Drew-Sta]

What roles have been discussed?

Flavor roles, duh.

Ok if the mod says its accurate, it is accurate, let's move on peeps.

Uh...no. I have no desire to move on. I think it is worth investigating why I have four votes. There is no reason for a town doublevoter or hidden voter not to disclose that fact

.

Why would they do that? It makes them an automatic NK target?

A double vote is crucial in late stage.

[Drew-Sta]

Why would they do that? It makes them an automatic NK target?

A double vote is crucial in late stage.

Double-votes are negative utility because there is no guarantee that the player will conform to the town's wishes. They are potentially even worse than vigs because they deprive the town of the desired lynch.

I think thats an entirely speculative way of thinking about it. I also lnow you're going to suggest I'm one of them so to prove I'm not the DV'er:

UNVOTE: Proto
VOTE: Drew

The DV is Bulb or Guy. But I've either played into your hands or we've narrowed down to the ring bearer.

Whatev's. I need a Fosters.

[Drew-Sta]

Seems like a stretch, mate. And uncharacteristic of the Ring's story - provided shos is trying to stay true to the story.

[Drew-Sta]

I honestly doubt the ring bestows that benefit, BTW, and think you've accepted an unlikely theory as truth way to quickly, and I've played in to mafia's hands by narrowing the DV down. /fuck me

[Drew-Sta]

I'm confused Freja - what is a motivator?

[Drew-Sta]

Oh, a night action. Right. Kinda makes sense, but seems like a highly unlikely power. It benefits town maybe, but seems quite under powered if that is the case.

[Drew-Sta]

Also:

UNVOTE: Drew
VOTE: Proto

I genuinely believe he is a dud.

[Drew-Sta]

I sware to god this town is so fucking stupid. So is the goal to get as many mislynches as possible as fast as possible? Because I must say, you're doing pretty good.

Why are you referring to town in the third person, somewhat indicating you aren't part of them?

Well, I was catching up, but then I saw this and was reminded why I didn't want to mess with this. So maybe tomorrow. If you need anything super important just use bolded, underlined, huge, bright red letters and I might see it.

Errr, whut?

Its a simple question, mate. Why are you referring to town in the third person.

[Drew-Sta]

I sware to god this town is so fucking stupid. So is the goal to get as many mislynches as possible as fast as possible? Because I must say, you're doing pretty good.

Why are you referring to town in the third person, somewhat indicating you aren't part of them?

Well, I was catching up, but then I saw this and was reminded why I didn't want to mess with this. So maybe tomorrow. If you need anything super important just use bolded, underlined, huge, bright red letters and I might see it.

Errr, whut?

Its a

simple

stupid question, mate. Why are you referring to town in the third person.

Fixed. Anyways, who really cares?

Grade A wanker right here people.

Its important because you slipped up, dickhead. Now you're trying to bully your way out of it.

More than one person cares.

[Drew-Sta]

Aronis never said "THEM."

It's obvious he's using town as the collective group of players, including the Mafia. Please can we kill Rach now?

He said:

I sware to god

this

town

... which is still a third person usage of the word; eg '

This

group of apples, I moved

them

over there.' Only issue is 'this' indicates possession, so it could be an honest mistake, such that he's trying to use the collective term for town, but given he hasn't done that previously and has not done it since nor has he tried to clear up the use of the word indicates, to me at least, indicates a tell and a significant slip up.

[Drew-Sta]

Apologies for grammar.

May as well back my hunch again.

UNVOTE: Proto
VOTE: Aronis

[Drew-Sta]

Some fair points there Guyett. I am convinced.

UNVOTE: Aronis
VOTE: Proto

I tend to think both of them are duds, but I'll let the 'mafia slip' idea pass given the precedent.

Puts the heat on Rach for trying to get the lynch wagon going on it if you're correct.

[Drew-Sta]

And now you know why I face palmed.

Yes. My lack of comprehensive knowledge of all the players in this game led me to make a deduction which is logical but misguided when shown in their correct context. You showed me Bulba!

Mod, I'm sorry, but please replace me.

I'm on vacation and already don't have time for this game, let alone this group of idiots.

My experience in this game has been awful. Reinoe self hammering screwed everything over and now I am about to get lynched because of grammar or something stupid.

You people take this way to fucking seriously. Sheesh, if you don't live on the site you might as well fuck off and not bother playing it seems.

Honestly, if you are going to rage quit because you're going to get mislynched then you're no better than Reinoe, who you just slagged off. Get a grip you wanker.

[Drew-Sta]

Honestly, if you are going to rage quit

because you're going to get mislynched

then you're no better than Reinoe, who you just slagged off. Get a grip you wanker.

Hey, remember that thing you tried crucifying Aronis for about slips and stuff... this would fall into that same category.

Tried crucifying? He made what I thought was a slip, I brought it up, people pointed and laughed at me as if there was some grand inside joke I was missing out on and acted like a bunch of assholes.

Guyett points out a valid contextual point and I pull back, although I still think Aronis is mafia on other reasons.

My comment

because you're going to get mislynched

is the assumption that our little Powerpuff Girl's comment was made from the position of town, and he's chucking a Reinoe-style hissy fit. All he needed to do was role reveal and self vote and we'd almost have a carbon copy of D1.

I think he is mafia, but right now am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as I think Proto is far more likely to be town right now. Although their little episode below seems coordinated.

VOTE: Drew-sta

I love this. Telling much?

I guess the world* just hates me.

*Maybe not Guyett and Toogeloo

What am I, invisible?

Fixed.

VOTE: Drew-scum

Might as well die trying.

And this! Well in muppet.

[Drew-Sta]

I asked why you referred to town that way ad you dismissed it like an arrogant cockhead. I waited for you to explain it numeroud times but you failed. Rach made a decent point so I followed despite you not claiming it was a grammar error until after I voted. Someone points out a previous game where you did the same and I change vote.

You then rush in and chuck a tanty like a two year old and then wonder why I've pointed out your inane childishness.

My apparent scum tell is as innovent as yours in that it makes an assumption.

And kill me / lynch me all you want. It won't change the fact you're a sped.

[Drew-Sta]

Hey, this head is back

Uh, yeah, Drew is much scum o.O
I don't even know what he is trying to do in 377, I mean someone pointed out a valid reason that he is scum and he... doesn't even really address it? He just said that the statement was because he thought Aronis

might

be town but probably is scum, but the statement clearly shows certainty that he is scum.
Also that was some crazy PR-fishing when there was talk about the double-votes.

Mod, Do Mafia have daytalk?

Why do you need to know this?

VOTE: Drew

This should be L-2 , but DON'T VOTE THIS YET, because possible extravote!

~MTD

3 heads and not a brain among you.

I'm Smeagol you fools. Town. When I come up blue I will laugh.

[Drew-Sta]

Should say green. I forgot this site uses green for town. Ghey.

[Drew-Sta]

Go on. I actually challenge you people to fond something on me that links me to mafia, especially now I've role claimed and likely got myself a ticket to NK.

You have the same thing I had on Powerpuff Girl - you don't believe me on that, but since I do it, it mKrs me mafia?

Inconsistent in the highest.

[Drew-Sta]

Why would mafia leave an openly claimed townsperson? It makes no sense and allows town to narrow their selection. VT or not (which I am basically).

[Drew-Sta]

Also, Aronis' little spat was an ATE. Mine was an ABABA (Appeal by a bloody Aussie).

This

I think he is mafia, but right now am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as I think Proto is far more likely to be town right now.

should also read:

I think he is mafia, but right now am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as I think Proto is far more likely to be mafia right now.

I blame wine.

[Drew-Sta]

Shos, can you let me know what booze you enjoy drinking? Beer, spirits, wine?

Also, do you prefer mafia when it is played with people drinking or sober?

[Drew-Sta]

Ok so clearly my sense of humour is not gelling with the lot of you... /sigh

Anyway. I've iso'd Proto, Aro, Bulb and Rach. There's some crossover between Rach and Proto, which was surprising. Both are very against Bulba. The Pokemon seems to be a polarising character. With the exception of myself, few have seen to either agree with him or consider his perspective very much.

Rach also jumps right on Aro for the same comment I picked up, which is interesting since she's quite experienced and would likely know more about his game than I would

Aro and Proto's comments after the lynch (particularly the latters) are very sus. I will go look at guy soon.

[Drew-Sta]

Exactly. Aronis wagon is bad and the people on it should feel bad

You and Bulba are gunning for Proto.

I will admit I think Proto is mafia, but your campaigning (at least the style) is interesting. What is your major reasoning?

[Drew-Sta]

Sorry, was meant to quote this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5936100

[Drew-Sta]

Vote: Drew-Sta

Scum-slip. Mass ad hominem hissy fit when called out. Name claim (as an antagonistic character, no less) but won't role claim?
Why are you still breathing?

I also love how Rach is doing VCAs on day 2 and acting like that counts as scum hunting when we only have 1 flip. Trying to hunt down the source of the double-vote when we have no idea what mechanics are in this game feels like power role hunting to me, not scum hunting. Both heads are in agreement for once; Rach is also scum.

VT who looks for the ring. Changes to Neutral survivor if I get it. Enough for a role claim for you? You take after your name very well

/le sigh.

Oh well. I tried.

Interesting Guyett swaps when I ask him a Q bout his post.

Enjoy ladies and gents.

[Drew-Sta]

Oh, and hissy fit? Fail Hydra, puh-lease. We've got two princesses in here and I'm neither of them darl

Town - Bulba (makes sense, noone is listening), sns (at least I think; rightly picked me as town), 3TM (saw the light, they're clearly thinking)
Neutral - Whoever is not in the above or below list
Mafia suspects - Proto (post Reinoe blowup mainly), Princess Aronis (For her stellar acting, although I think her post Reinoe posting is odd - if I'm being honest I just want to name her here to annoy him), Guyett (Buddying Aronis quite a lot, looking for town cred? Not sure)

Anyway. Enjoy you people. I'll raise a Fosters in your honour.

[Drew-Sta]

Good game all.

Picked Aronis, thought guy was mafia (bad hunch) and fell for Bulba's play on Proto (fooled again).

1/3 ain't bad :p

[Drew-Sta]

1/3 ain't bad :p

it kinda is

see, if you're in a 12p game as town, choosing randomly a player would result in 1/4...choosing a random 3 and getting 0/3 has chances of...21/55=38%...so basically, if you choose randomly at gamestart, your chances of getting 1/3 or better are 1.6 times larger than your chances to get worse............

so that's bad.

Way to make me feel shit. I might need to go grab a glass of Drambuie now

It was a good game for me to learn, TBH. Some fairly experienced players here who know how to play the game so I'm glad I had the experience of the game.

Don't feel bad Drew. My only

slight

scum read was Fail Hydra.

In all honesty I would not have voted you had you not claimed the ability to change to Independent. Sometimes you shouldn't be totally truthful about your claim lol.

True. That

was

a pretty stupid thing to do. Live and learn