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[Juls]

I can see fitz as a vig shot. I made some notes. Post coming in an hour or so. Playing hearthstone atm

[Juls]

These are my notes I jotted down as I read through the day.

Juls Notes of Awesome

• Reckoner's post 25. So, let me preface to say that I have a town read on Reckoner but as I read I kept picturing Reck turning to his scumbuddies saying "watch this, I am going to claim scum"
  
• Around the first 130ish posts, I am liking Anatole, Hiro, and T S O as town. I am enjoying ABR's flavor but am unimpressed with his sole focus being to policy lynch Aronis.
  
• Reck's post 156 is gold and I loved it.
  
• Around post 160 I am not really liking Bellisaurius. I have recently played a game with Belli and I know he isn't the most aggressive scumhunter (or at least he wasn't in our game) but he's doing a lot of talking with zero scumhunting.
  
• Pasch's post 163. Not sure about this slot. I am getting a gut scum read here but don't know if I can quantify it. I probably need to do some meta on him.
  
• Belli's post 166+ I was laughing...lots.
  
• Post 193/194 of Reckoner's is also fantastic. He can definitely be town.
  
• ABR's 211 is just gross. Why is he protecting Venrob from mislynch but not Aronis? (I knew flip when I read this and am Aronis so maybe this is a bit bias)
  
• Jargo's reads in post 248 are in line with mine but I do like the push by Anatoles afterwards (particularly post 323) so I am a little torn.
  
• Venmar is bleh.
  
• Still not liking pasch in post 288 but still can't quantify it.
  
• Jargo's post 361 bothers me and I am trying to figure out if it is Jargo pushing for an ABR mislynch and thus Jargo is buddies with Venrob.

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And my reads....

Town

xRECKONERx - The towniest of the town. Lots of good stuff in his posts. I am a little confused though because I never town read Reckoner so this is new territory for me. (See Hito comment though).

hitogoroshi - Hito had a lot of good postings. Pretty strong town read here but a little surprised he and Reck lived through the night.

T S O - Also had good posting.

Probably Town

Espressojet - I get a newb-town feeling here and the pushes on him seemed like easy-target type pushes. I know Anatole was one but I still feel like scum might be in those who were pushing him. I need to look back at who all it was.

Somewhere in Between

Belisarius - Not the scummiest but not the towniest either. I can't really read him at this point.

Jargonaut - Reads lined up with mine, like I mentioned, but then that post pushing ABR/Venrob just rubbed me wrong. If ABR were to flip town, this is where I would look.

Don't Want to be Scum but High Possibility

Albert B. Rampage - So so so disappointed here. Part of the reason I joined is because I like reading ABR. But either he is just completely disinterested or he's scum and I don't want him to be scum. So yeah.

Scum

Paschendale - Like I said, something feels off here. I don't know what it is. I need to reread and maybe present a better argument.

Venmar - Very Lazy posts, no real content. I think he is scum.

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All that being said, I really enjoyed the read. I replaced in because I love the idea of replacing into an Aronis slot. I figured it would be a challenge.

Vote: Venmar

[Juls]

2) His replace-out changed my read on him from null to scummy.

do you mean the opposite?

[Juls]

Oh...I thought you meant Aronis. How do you feel about the Aronis replace out?

[Juls]

VOTE: Jargo

[Juls]

You know if she flips town though, I gotta vote you. Right now I am at a place of it's either you or her.

[Juls]

I'd stake my life on it.

Then do. Claim.

Please don't make me take back my newb-town read on you.

[Juls]

Reck, the way I see it, if Jargo is scum, then ABR is confirmed town. If Jargo is town, then ABR may be scum so I think a jargo lynch is the way to go. But I'm not going to fight an ABR lynch too hard. He has been pretty unlackluster.

[Juls]

Is it scummy to plan posts in the night?

[Juls]

Did I miss something about a 3rd party? I was told flavor knowledge was not required.

[Juls]

My Venmar vote was lazy. I wanted it to be somewhere but not on ABR since he was already being ran up. I really don't want ABR to be scum so I am admittedly playing with my heart a little bit here. The reason I am going with Jargo over ABR is that with an ABR lynch we get, what I feel is, a confirmed townie in ABR. If we lynch ABR, we get a confirmed townie in me, but I already know that so I am going with someone I think is scummy plus gives information. I can't see botH ABR and Jargo being town. As for Espresso, I didn't really see what all the fuss was about thus why he is newb-town for me. And yes, I need to stop being lazy and analyze the Espresso votes.

I'm not going to fight votes against me too hard since my predeccessor already claimed. Usually when I am vt I am all like "pay attention to what I said" if I am lynched but if I so get lynched, I am straight up saying that I am not confident in any of my scum reads. I am pretty confident in my Reck, hits, and T S O reads though. Except for the whole they all lived thing.

[Juls]

I'm really not that terrible at grammar, the ipad hates me.

[Juls]

I helped lynch Venrob on my own account, so I am confirmed town, okay? Kthx bai.

What? Use more words.

[Juls]

Oh God...ignore what I said about Espresso. At least vote wise, only townies voted him (assuming t s o is town). Surely others expressed suspicion cause it seemed heavier than that. Just an FYI, fitz was one of my top scum reads

[Juls]

I'm just going to put this bit of WIFOM out there. If you think Aronis replaced out of a SK slot you are absolutely crazy.

[Juls]

Won't ABR just govern himself if we try to lynch him?

Not allowed.

[Juls]

I am indifferent about that fact that I survived through N1

[Juls]

Won't ABR just govern himself if we try to lynch him?

He nominated Hito before the flip. Doesn't that make Hito captain now?

Also, does Jim Carrey mean you agree with me or what? It's super creepy.

Hito only takes over if abr dies.

[Juls]

Belisarius goes first, I guess.

VOTE: Belisarius

Yuck. Yuck. Yuck.

[Juls]

I really hate ABR being on this too and that it is led by Venmar makes me also want to vomit. I am not touching this wagon with a 10ft pole.

[Juls]

@Pasch, have you ever played with ABR prior to this game?

[Juls]

Reck, why must you wash away all that protown cred from day 1? If Belli is telling the truth about arsonist stuffs then the Arsonist is probably reck. If he is a lying sack of poop then ignore me.

[Juls]

Can somebody give me the case on Belli cause I'm just not seeing it.

[Juls]

Tunnel vision. Lack of vote on Venrob.

Wait, isn't that the case on you?

[Juls]

Day one you tunneled. And why is Belli tunneling and not Espresso?

[Juls]

And Espresso?

[Juls]

So let's assume that's what he is claiming. Why are we lynching him again?

[Juls]

So let's pretend there is a vig who would know this. Why not let a vig shoot him in the face?

[Juls]

So let's pretend there is a vig who would know this. Why not let a vig shoot him in the face?

You got a point there Juls. I appreciate your contribution to this game. I know you don't hear that a lot but I really think you are swell.

[Juls]

@Pasch if there is no vig...then there may be a arsonist/SK which means Belli is telling the truth. This literally works itself out. Why waste a lynch on Belli today?

[Juls]

Venmar, why would you not let a vig or an arsonist kill him if they exist?

[Juls]

Cause he is claiming info on them?

[Juls]

VOTE: Venmar

Seems my lazy vote was pretty good.

[Juls]

I think you aren't town.

[Juls]

Because you show no pause in your reasoning despite a very good point from this Juls chick. If Belli is claiming there is an arsonist in game but instead we have a vig, the vig can shoot him. If Belli is telling the truth and says he can get details on the arsonist, then the arsonist would do good to kill him. Either way, letting Belli live at least one more day is the optimal play. You are still wanting to push the lynch through so yeah, I don't see town motivation there.

[Juls]

Really? I don't think I misread you in event. I thought your role as claimed was OP and I was right. But regardless, why lynch him today? Give him a night. If he thinks the info he had is useful and will be lost with his death he can claim it. If not, let's talk about him tomorrow. But pulling the "you misread me" card doesn't make you look more town.

[Juls]

Checking for reasons to unvote Belisarius.....

Analyzing......

Results.... no reason found

This said you didn't read the thread or you did read the thread and didn't care until I pressured you. Which is it?

[Juls]

What's a rockman?

[Juls]

for(int i=0; i < UINT_MAX; ++i)
{
slap("Belisarius");
}

[Juls]

for(

unsigned

int i=0; i < UINT_MAX; ++i)
{
slap("Belisarius");
}

oh...for shame...fixed.

[Juls]

Do you think town players in general are less likely to tunnel then scum/not town players?
And what do you mean by not be held accountable?

I'm asking benign questions to appear as if I am scumhunting.

[Juls]

I am willing to lynch Venmar or Jargo.
I could compromise on ABR or pasch
I am unwilling to lynch Juls, hito, reck, T S O, Belli, and Espresso

[Juls]

Question for everyone

: how do you feel about Venmar's 528 to 541?

[Juls]

Oh...look who pops in when his name is mentioned.

[Juls]

[Juls]

Does anyone really think that scum doesn't have a sample PM?

[Juls]

Did someone mention me?

[Juls]

*looks back*

No.

How long have you been sitting there waiting for me to post so you could say that? Cause...lol.

[Juls]

Does anyone really think that scum doesn't have a sample PM?

Mine has some of those lines verbatim, but it doesn't have a link to the game thread.

Mine does.

[Juls]

Does anyone really think that scum doesn't have a sample PM?

Why would they?

Uh...cause there isn't a sample in the first post.

[Juls]

Like I know it's in the rules and all but the mod said it was there by mistake. Technically she should remove it but I think everyone should be cautious about posting their PMs. It could break the game (especially since there is no sample posted) and I would rather win based on playing the game, not a mod technicality.

/inb4 people vote me for being scummy scum scum in saying that.

[Juls]

In post 17, Espressojet wrote:
>Quoting of role PMs (aside from, y'know, names and QTs) is entirely fine, since examples have been supplied

Wait, where?

I don't know what you're talking about...

(I copied and pasted the rules from an open set-up I ran, in which all the possible role PMs were posted, and forgot to remove that part...)

[Juls]

I am willing to lynch Venmar or Jargo.

or Espresso

I could compromise on ABR or pasch
I am unwilling to lynch Juls, hito, reck, T S O, Belli,

and Espresso

Fixed.

[Juls]

Because I think you already know that scum have a sample PM.

[Juls]

I replaced in. I saw it rather recently...and...my predecessor already claimed.

[Juls]

Like I know it's in the rules and all but the mod said it was there by mistake. Technically she should remove it but I think everyone should be cautious about posting their PMs. It could break the game (especially since there is no sample posted) and I would rather win based on playing the game, not a mod technicality.

/inb4 people vote me for being scummy scum scum in saying that.

I corrected the rule when it was pointed out that there are no sample PMs provided for this game. The rule as currently stated applies.

Oh, my bad. I misunderstood which "mistake" you meant.


Carry on then everyone!

[Juls]

This whole role PM thing reeks of the mod forgetting to give scum a sample PM and trying to cover her ass later. I would know, I've made similar mistakes.

And do you gain any reads from that assessment?

[Juls]

But I started out as Aronis which downgrades me I presume.

[Juls]

ABR was super against a Venrob lynch but tunnelled Aronis hard (both for the same reasons)
Reck, TSO, hito towned it up
Then Venrob got lynched and he flipped scum
fitz and Anatole died in the night
Some people think ABR is scum now cause his stances on Venrob/Aronis
Everyone scratched their head as to why Reck, TSO, hito are living
Bellisaurius did something that some people didn't like but claimed some sort of info on an Arsonist so they voted him
Role PM quoting began with debate over that but mod came in and gave the thumbs up
A hydra who can't post on the right account joined the game

That about sums it up.

[Juls]

This game needs some pot stirring.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Espresso

(L-1)<--------------claim time

[Juls]

Plan on supplying any reason for your reads?

[Juls]

See if reck was anything to me it would be a SK/Arsonist. I have a distinct different vibe from him than I have ever gotten and I have played against him as both town and mafia. However, in both cases they were large games so it might just be the fact that we are in a smaller group.

The reason I am voting espresso is because his interactions surrounding all the claiming feels off. I can't put my finger on it but it's mostly around his response to me when I said scum likely have a fake townie pm.

[Juls]

Likely TSO but I agree the mod should announce before people come in all willy nilly. I'd laugh my ass off if they didn't actually replace in and just acted like they did.

[Juls]

I am also unclear which of the three accounts is actually supposed to be replacing in. Ugh. I fucking hate hydras. I would have never signed up for this game if there were going to be hydras.

I agree with this 100%. I hate hydras. I hydra'd with my husband but we had exactly 0 slips. This hydra couldn't even enter the game without slipping. It's gross, I hate it.

[Juls]

This game had over 50 hydra slips. I hated it.

/rant over

[Juls]

Yes, lets all circlejerk about how we hate hydras for a couple pages, shall we?

Or we could talk about the impossibility of the women of the group being part of this activity.

[Juls]

How much of your rage is attributed to them voting you?

[Juls]

Jokes are funny.

[Juls]

I have said my reads. No one seems interested in lynching them. Then you were all weird about the role PM thing so you are 3rd choice so I am moving the game along.

[Juls]

That's all I got.

Something feeling "off" cannot be explained. You're not my biggest scum read. If you want me to unvote you then get a wagon up on Venmar or Jarg.

[Juls]

Yeah but TSO towned it up too much to vote him.

[Juls]

Yeah but TSO towned it up too much to vote him.

"I don't like what you're saying" is different from "I want to lynch you"

Why are you being so defensive? I was agreeing with you for agreeing with Pasch. But Pasch voted so I was explaining that I agree but not enough to vote.

[Juls]

I don't need reason to vote someone

But to quell your unwavering rage:

I vote you cause I think you're scum

VOTE: Perfect Chaos

I'm not playing with purposefully obtuse, difficult, asshole trolls. And I'm not replacing out, because I was here first.

Not moving until:
1) Perfect Chaos replaces out (and honestly, with so many people in the game being anti-hydra, the mod probably should've made sure it was okay with the player list first)
2) Perfect Chaos starts actually playing and stops being fucking difficult
3) One of us is dead

Enjoy!

So this is a policy vote?

[Juls]

UNVOTE:

This game has went to shit.

[Juls]

Espresso, remind me, are you an alt?

P-edit: what is the"that" that you are referring to?

[Juls]

VOTE: espresso

[Juls]

My votes not moving no matter what now. If he is town this is a lesson he needs to learn. I don't care.

[Juls]

No, reck unvoted early but I don't care now. My vote is planted.

[Juls]

Whatever, Jargo, hammer please.

[Juls]

You. Self. Voted.

The end.

[Juls]

Well you are dieting no matter what now so you need to full claim.

[Juls]

Quote that bitch

[Juls]

Dieting...lol

That was supposed to be dying

[Juls]

Damnit Jargo is seriously scum...I really wish espresso wasn't a tool and self voted.

[Juls]

You should never.....

ever

self vote as town. It is playing against your win con. That's a rule. It's important to me. You have done the one thing that I will policy lynch.

[Juls]

Me to ahead and be smug and say you will quote that abr and I are scum. You will get to look like a fool again. I will quote it for you post game to show you are wrong. You want to ensure your own survival? That's not how this game works. It is a team game. You do what's best for the team. Hint: self voting isn't it.

[Juls]

Me to= and go

[Juls]

Don't you find Jargonaut's vote suspicious here....?

Yes but I will not be unvoting Espresso.

[Juls]

You do what's best for your team, and dont kill a townie on a policy lynch you goddamn hypocrite.

See the difference is. I don't know your alignment. So I must assume you are either playing against your win con or scum.

[Juls]

Espresso, please calm down. This is the way it is. Insulting me isn't going to change it. You should never self-vote. Period.

Read
Read

There are probably lots more.

[Juls]

As town. There are reasons to self-vote/hammer as scum.

[Juls]

You self voted. I didn't make you do that.

[Juls]

Alright. I'm done talking to you.

[Juls]

Okie dokie. I will try not to be quick in the future? Cause knowing your role PM is scummy.

[Juls]

Hey Espresso, you say you self vote "all the time". Can you please link some examples?

[Juls]

If I get lynched for knowing my role PM this will go down as the biggest wtf game I have ever played. I can give you reasons to vote me because I am not playing up to par here. But knowing my role PM isn't one of them.

1) I am being lazy. I am being lazy because I am getting a little fatigued with pushing a game along. I always feel like a task master trying to get everyone to focus. This game I am just not up for it.
2) I used to be Aronis in this game. That is inherently scummy.
3) I have jumped around with my vote a lot. I straight up do not have a handle on who is scum this game. If I had to guess it's in {Venmar, Jargo, Reck (mainly SK spec here), and Pasch}. I thought Espresso was been town but that self vote was ugly and he got all weird about the sample PM
4) Cause I didn't vote ABR. I probably should and I probably would if pushed.
5) I dismantled a wagon on Belli. This probably makes me town too but I can see where people would be coming from if they pushed it as a scum tell.

So there's the reasons you could vote me but knowing my role PM? That's weak sauce. Also, Belli, you know my recent scum game and this looks nothing like it so you are starting to concern me.

P-edit: oh ABR...

[Juls]

And btw, explain to me how being quick on the role PM is scummy. Isn't there an equal chance that I would have known my role PM vs knowing a sample role PM? When the discussion was had about being able to quote role PMs, I went and looked at the first post to see why it was allowed. That's when I noticed there was no sample so I assumed at that point that scum must have a sample.

[Juls]

It's pretty common to provide scum with a sample role PM either by the first post or by PM. I have in fact given players full name claims in my games before and in at least one marathon game gave full Fake claim PMs.

[Juls]

You seriously need to stop. WTF. Even Salamance told you to stop. Like voting yourself in RVS is one thing but voting yourself on page 30 something is entirely different.

UNVOTE:

I hate you all.

[Juls]

VOTE: Jargo

[Juls]

And why did you vote me?

[Juls]

Knowing your role PM has fuck all to do with what I'm pushing. Hypothesising that scum have sample role PMs/fakeclaims in full role PM format without needing any time to think about it does.

The below is why I mentioned knowing my role PM. This is your first attempt to paint me as scum.

I'm a bit alarmed by how quickly Juls had an explanation for how realistic that role PM is, though.

The rest is fair, I guess. At the very least I won't argue it.

[Juls]

Also, #412 tells me Reck's not the SK, since the same argument could be applied against him and a SK wouldn't want to start that conversation. Maybe hito, though.

I had already started that conversation in 389. It would be foolish to run from it.

xRECKONERx - The towniest of the town. Lots of good stuff in his posts. I am a little confused though because I never town read Reckoner so this is new territory for me. (See Hito comment though).

hitogoroshi - Hito had a lot of good postings. Pretty strong town read here but a little surprised he and Reck lived through the night.

[Juls]

VOTE: Abr

[Juls]

At the lake, will post later

[Juls]

UNVOTE:
Until I can catch up. Maybe tonight, possibly tomorrow.

[Juls]

I would say my only town reads at this point are Belli (for going after me despite me coming to his defense), hito for general good play, and TSO/Fish for the same. I'm feeling a bit better about Pasch than I was previously. Still don't like Jargo/Venmar/ABR for various reasons already stated and reckoner has really started to ping my scumdar because he was so protown yesterday and just isn't today. I want to believe he is the SK because I can see him being excited to get that role and working hard to look protown (cause he can actually scum hunt) and then riding that towncred.

ABR just seems bipolar this game. I would like him to go back through his ISO and explain each vote /vote switch he has done but I am seriously not holding my breath that he will do this. But, I do think it would help me understand his play.

Can I interest anyone in a reck or Jargo wagon?

[Juls]

Hey ABR, why is Pasch scum?

Belli, Venmar, you're both pretty comfortable being all lonely on your lonely little wagons. Why is that?

Fish is confirming what we already know about that Aronis slot.

Jargonaut not voting for anyone is ugly.

I believe in the bolded you meant TSO. Otherwise you are confusing replacements. I was Aronis.

[Juls]

Or neither? I see that as scum you would be inclined to keep me around considering I stopped your lynch so you know that I view you positively. But instead you are forgoing that opportunity and branching out on your own to try to lynch me. Townies are often wrong but if the intent is sincere I will be able to look past the wrongness when making an alignment determination. Stop being so bristlely about everything.

[Juls]

I am specifically talking about me asking people to let a vig handle you if one exists.

[Juls]

Ok Belli. Whatever, I am trying to explain my read on you and you just want to act like I am taking credit for the world when that is not what I am doing. I am simply saying you knew I had a town view of you which would be reason enough for you to not start a push on me. I really don't get why you are trying to misrepresent me as taking "sole credit" for your wagon falling apart. Nor do I see how that would make me scum. Instead I feel like you just want to argue which is counterproductive and just boring.

[Juls]

VOTE: myko

[Juls]

That's very sweet and all but I already disliked your predecessors contributions and nothing you have done has changed that.

[Juls]

I would say my only town reads at this point are Belli (for going after me despite me coming to his defense), hito for general good play, and TSO/Fish for the same. I'm feeling a bit better about Pasch than I was previously. Still don't like Jargo/Venmar/ABR for various reasons already stated and reckoner has really started to ping my scumdar because he was so protown yesterday and just isn't today. I want to believe he is the SK because I can see him being excited to get that role and working hard to look protown (cause he can actually scum hunt) and then riding that towncred.

ABR just seems bipolar this game. I would like him to go back through his ISO and explain each vote /vote switch he has done but I am seriously not holding my breath that he will do this. But, I do think it would help me understand his play.

Can I interest anyone in a reck or Jargo wagon?

See last sentence

[Juls]

What did espresso claim? Yes, I am losing my footing in this game, I apologize. I have been distracted.

[Juls]

Fish, can you point me to the post? I'll love you forever. I am phone posting or would find it myself.

[Juls]

@Pasch - explain "get". You understand what he says or you agree with him?

[Juls]

@myko - asking "how did espresso live?" And not voting him does not compute.

[Juls]

@myko - asking "how did espresso live?" And not voting him does not compute.

Hardly. The way the thread went, that was a lynch that was going to happen. Also, I could easily vote him.

I would prefer belisarius.

And you're voting reck then because....

[Juls]

That reaction test has sailed. And I asked a question which he answered.

[Juls]

My gut says Juls.

Can your gut say why?

[Juls]

Espresso, don't sheep me.

[Juls]

Fish, I'm going to sheep you (given that you don't vote me). Who do you want me to vote?

[Juls]

Which part don't you understand?

I'm good with both of those fish.

[Juls]

Already there.

[Juls]

Who are your scum reads then?

[Juls]

Considering myko has stopped short of saying "I'm town" I'm not convinced he is town still.

[Juls]

Myko, most of my read on your slot was related to Jargo. Sorry I am not invested enough in this game to have given you a fair shake. I am having a hard time on scum reads and an easier time on town reads I think.

[Juls]

Belli should be shot by a vig if he's lying about a SK. ABR should not make it to lylo and would also be a great shot. Reck is a SK. Hito and fish are town. That's all I got.

[Juls]

I wouldn't say I have been "relentless" about anything in this game.

[Juls]

So we have a Sk (Reckoner) and one scum? What's funny is that it appears scum helped the SK out? Lol

VOTE: Reck

[Juls]

I don't know if this setup is balanced or not since we have been perfect for 2 days and if we mislynch today we could be in a 4 person with only 2 town tomorrow.

[Juls]

UNVOTE: with intent to hammer...be forewarned.

[Juls]

So let's assume that's what he is claiming. Why are we lynching him again?

Because I have a very hard time believing there's an arsonist in a 13 player setup given when I already know about the setup.

Trying to get Bellisaurius lynched after he claims arsonist info. Killing of former fish in the night who pegged you as scum and your play making sense as a SK (excited to play the game day 1 and building town cred then not doing much on day 2 except riding your early town cred). It just fits.

[Juls]

By the way...I really dislike ABR for those twilight interactions. What reasoning would mykonian have to interact in that way unless to make a scum buddy look better? Might be the last scum. Come to think of it hito seems pretty sure he is going to flip scum too. The waters are a little muddied on the last mafia for me.

[Juls]

SK.

[Juls]

Hmmm. Well, that would at least be more balanced but the belli kill was a bad choice. I need to go back and read how you reacted when he claimed. I will do that tomorrow. This is just a reminder to myself.

[Juls]

Also, did you crumb at all?

[Juls]

So let's assume that's what he is claiming. Why are we lynching him again?

Because I have a very hard time believing there's an arsonist in a 13 player setup given when I already know about the setup.

Trying to get Bellisaurius lynched after he claims arsonist info. Killing of former fish in the night who pegged you as scum and your play making sense as a SK (excited to play the game day 1 and building town cred then not doing much on day 2 except riding your early town cred). It just fits.

With Pasch's claim, do you think it makes me scummy for this anymore?

Probably not. Now I am more confused.

[Juls]

I'm good with that, but who should Pasch shoot? It's gotta be Venmar or ABR. ABR absolutely cannot make it to LYLO town or not. He's been too crazy to not vote for.

[Juls]

Espresso needs to post his role PM.

[Juls]

Also it's pretty weird that Pasch isn't immune to fire.

Why is that weird?

[Juls]

I call bs on that cause federation ensign is vanilla townie. All other roles have a qualifier before the federation ensign part. Consider my vote on espressojet. I want others to weigh in first since I only have my own role pm to look at.

I also didn't get the whole name, role, and alignment, at the top of my pm.

[Juls]

You seriously just took the VT PM and added "You do, however, have the following racial trait". That "lockdown" is way too vague to be read as semi-bulletproof. The mod said you don't need flavor knowledge ands you would need flavor knowledge to figure that out.

Screw waiting, this guy is scum and this is why quoting role PM's is game breaking.


VOTE: Espressojet

[Juls]

Compare that "quote" to pasch's which legitimately looks like a role pm and the ability is specifically stated in the ability text.

[Juls]

That's L-1by the way (I think)

[Juls]

Your role text says federation ensign. That is the vt role. Every other power role has had some other name or a qualifier. Sorry that you failed at modifying your sample pm.

[Juls]

If that really is your role which I think there is a 0% chance that it is, you can blame the mod.

[Juls]

Why reck abr?

[Juls]

I think it's gotta be Venmar for sheer laziness. I can't read what's not here. If you feel I am scum though, shoot me cause I don't want to have to deal with being in lylo, either I will fuck it up or the other townie will fuck it up and vote me.

[Juls]

Hito, Pasch, Venmar, comments on espresso's PM?

[Juls]

Aside from the flavor, ABRs was identical to my own.

[Juls]

Yeah I am hoping this game is over. Would be nice if espresso could come in and weigh in. I'd be super excited if this was a perfect victory

[Juls]

Is he not already lynched?

[Juls]

No shot Pasch?

[Juls]

Oh nevermind I need to read closer

[Juls]

Ok, the safest bet in my view is to no lynch and have pasch kill reck in the night. I have been neighborized by reck along with hito. Reck claims he is a neutral survivor who has to neighborize 3 people to win. I'm not sure if it ends the game or not but there is no way we have 3 scum, a neutral, and a serial killer so I am trusting pasch. Killing reck will put us in 3 or 4 person lylo. Reck has claimed 3 different things in the neighborhood and I don't trust him.

[Juls]

Although if reck is scum and pasch is a serial killer you guys need to cross kill k?

[Juls]

If we lynch and then 2 unique kills overnight we lose. That's why I suggested no lynch. Or we can lynch reck and still have 2 unique kills which means we lose. That's why I was thinking no lynch but I'm open to brainstorming. I'm not convinced that reck is not gambiting. Especially since his story changed 3 times in the neighborhood. The fact that hito knows Recks claim and is still trying to push the idea that Pasch is a serial killer is also concerning to me.

[Juls]

HEY JULS WHY THE LIVING FUCK WOULD PASCHENDALE SHOOT IF WE LYNCH TODAY. LEGIT QUESTION.

Ok I am phone posting so bear with me. The reason I preferred a Pasch kill to a lynch was that the off chance that Pasch is a SK then we would not be shooting ourself in the foot with a lynch. (Lynch + 2 kills = fail town)

The reason I believe Pasch is that there have been 2 kills per night (so at least a 3 man scum team since we had two shots last night). There is no fucking way we have a 3 man team, SK, and survivor! That legit means 8v3v1v1. That would be a bs setup. Since no one CC'd Pasch she is confirmed town. It also makes hito look awful because he is still pushing Pasch as a SK and he didn't kill last night in hopes of a split. I don't want you in lylo in the event that you are gambiting as scum. Sorry. Like neighborizing me was such a bad idea because I am the most paranoid person on earth. Claim in next post...

[Juls]

Bella wrote:
You are Tee Lek, Federation Ensign. As a weapons officer, you have seen plenty of combat and it doesn't phase you at all. In fact, secretly you enjoy it, making you unusual amongst the Engi people. You have no special skills, and will have to rely on your wits and your vote to survive.

You win when all Rebel threats to the success of your mission have been eliminated.

You can find the game thread here.

Please confirm in thread.

[Juls]

In post 1199 I meant hito didn't kill Pasch which means he wanted Venmar shot (that was my suggestion at least)

Pretty sure town is me, ven, and Pasch. If we want to lynch hito today I would be cool with that.

[Juls]

I know, that's my point 2 shots last night means we still have scum so 3 person team. 3 person team plus SK plus survivor is stupid so Pasch is confirmed town to me.

[Juls]

Pretty sure town is me,

ven

, and Pasch. If we want to lynch hito today I would be cool with that.

Oh,

NOW

i'm town?

Yes. Reads change and this makes the most sense. I even said yesterday that killing you in the night was just for sheer laziness. It's not like I have presented a huge case in you and even when I have said anything I have made it clear I am not certain. This is the most certain I have been. With Recks neighborizing things are atarting to make sense.

[Juls]

No reck, calm down. I have a couple if theories but the least likely is that Pasch is a SK. I think I believe your claim but do get paranoid about you gambiting. I more worry about the game ending if you are able to neighborize.

[Juls]

I didn't say hito no killed, I meant he didn't kill Pasch.

[Juls]

There is no SK. It does not compute. The only way there is a SK is if reck is scum and Pasch IS a SK. I still don't think that is the case.

[Juls]

What makes the least sense is hito still pushing Pasch as a SK despite reck claiming!

[Juls]

Which means I think we should either Juls or Hito, and if the one we lynched flips town, Pasch should shoot the other?

I agree with this but paranoia!!!

[Juls]

Hito explain how a SK and 3 scum and a survivor is balanced?

[Juls]

I want Pasch to weigh in but I obviously would rather have hito lynched.

[Juls]

Reck, how have I "played" today that makes you think there is an outside chance?

[Juls]

It's basically hito and I will cry if it's Venmar and apologize to town.

[Juls]

I still want to wait on Pasch to weigh in but I am willing to roll the dice and lynch hito. If he flips town I hope Pasch makes the right decision. I mean from my perspective I obviously don't won't Pasch to shoot me if hito flips town because it's an auto loss but if she does I won't blame her.

The reason I lean toward reck telling the truth is that he said he wasn't town in the first post. If he is gambiting he decided to do it from the begining.

[Juls]

Reckoner, you seriously can't think I am scum because why the fuck would I blow up your game as scum? Why DO you want to forego a win by lynching hito. If you are a survivor then you are basically voting hito but really thinking it's me. Otherwise you are playing against your wincon. Explain the logic for me.

[Juls]

Nobody but you is voting hito either

[Juls]

I'm trying to understand you is all. But I don't care if you vote me. If the rest of town can't tell that I am bleeding green right now we are screwed anyway.

[Juls]

I'm going to vote hito after Pasch weighs in and I hope she shoots reck. If it's you Venmar. Well done at backing your way into poe.

[Juls]

Lol neighborizing me is so stupid reck. I don't gambit and I am always paranoid so it was a bad choice. Why not neighborize Venmar who is way more laid back?

[Juls]

It's game over if Pasch shoots wrong. If she shoots right we win.

[Juls]

Mod: do kills resolve simultaneously?

[Juls]

It's game over if Pasch shoots wrong. If she shoots right we win.

Or... and bear with me now... OR it's possibly game over without group discussion if Pasch shoots at all, and it's NOT game over and we get a chance for group discussion if Pasch just DOES NOT SHOOT.

Given Pasch's shots this game, are you seriously, as town, trusting in his ability to shoot correctly

We are at 5 now, we lynch to 4, scum kills to 3. If neither is you then we are 1v1v1 assuming you are survivor. If you really are a traitor (like you first claimed) then we lose. If you want scum to win, we lose. I don't trust you to be on the side of town.

[Juls]

Then that means Venmar or Pasch is scum and I don't buy that.

[Juls]

Then that means Venmar or Pasch is scum and I don't buy that.

JULS IT IS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE FOR PASCH TO BE SCUM ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS RIGHT NOW

I haven't said she was. At all. Ever. (Today)

[Juls]

If Hito Flips Town

...and Reck is a traitor: then we'll be at 2-2, and game will end in a

scum victory

.
...and Reck is a survivor: then we'll be at 2-1-1, and Pasch vigging me will put it at 1-1, resulting in a

scum victory

...and Reck is a survivor: then we'll be at 2-1-1, and Pasch not viggin will put it in 1-1-1, meaning

town still has a chance

.

Pasch not vigging in the event of a hito townflip is literally the only chance that you guys have.

From your perspective. From mine:
Hito flips town. If reck is survivor and Pasch shoots reck, we lose
Hito flips town. If reck is mafia we win.

See how that works?

[Juls]

I feel pretty strongly that hito is scum so this is probably all for nothing

P-edit damnit reck I said if you are a traitor OR if you want scum to win. Stop half ass reading.

[Juls]

juls

You said if I'm a traitor AKA ONE OF THE LAST TWO SCUM or if I'm a survivor who wants scum to win AKA NOT THE LAST SCUM

Pay attention. These are the two scenarios IF Pasch doesn't shoot you which is why I want her to shoot you.

[Juls]

VOTE: Hito

I have no doubt that reck is capable if gambiting but I do think it is hito. Shoot if you want, don't shoot if you want (but you have a lot of faith in reck in that case). I would personally prefer you shoot. Even if you shoot me (but we will lose if you do).

[Juls]

Except I'm town so there's that.

[Juls]

Then you got nothing to worry about, Hito will flip scum.

Did you become confirmed town when I wasn't looking?

[Juls]

Yup, that's how it works.

There's nothing I'm going to say now that convinces Pasch differently so if hito is town I'll accept the loss.

[Juls]

Can we just lynch hito now? I'm ready for the game to end.

[Juls]

Venmar does not equal a consensus! There will be no consensus. Let her shoot who she wants.

[Juls]

Except Reck agrees to and he's obviously acting for the best interest of the town too.

[Juls]

Except Reck agrees to and he's obviously acting for the best interest of the town too.

Or in terms you will understand:

[Juls]

I think it's hito so I won't make a case on Venmar. I just ask that if hito does flip town you go back and read the game before making your decision with all the flips and information in context.

[Juls]

Or I really think it's hito? I don't have a case on you other than laziness so I am not going to make one up.

[Juls]

Random notE: just realized pasch is a he so sorry for calling you she the whole game lol.

[Juls]

You won Reck! What the hell?

[Juls]

I want to see the dead thread to see everyone thinking I was scum.