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I'm rereading and all that stuff. I am up to teh part where Zindaras claimed having a clone and Primate and Thesp are trying to convince the town that two "masons" are absolutely a bad thing.
While I continue reading, I will just leave this out..
If garfield is in here, he won't be able to resist that. It's in his blood.
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Okay, I finished rereading.
I'm confused about some things, namely:
Glork, you, especially, seemed Adament about lynching Zindaras, stating that you believe Primate to be town and Zindaras not several times.
That turned out to be a "Fos on PRimate and me", and then you dropped the Fos on primate immediately and started harping on other people. In fact, you've kind of avoided your situation with Primate entirely since then.Glork wrote:My current stance is that Zindaras is scum and had a built-in fakeclaim to his role. Primate counterclaimed what is essentially the same role, and I do not expect two roles that similar to have the same alignment. If Zindaras (or CC) turns out to be pro-town, I will then puruse a Primate death (regardless of whether he has a one-shot revival -- the Phoenix godfather in Mythical Monsters Mafia had a one-shot revival, so I see that as being distinctly possible).
If Primate is gambiting with the counterclaim, there's no way he'll get away with it. I am A) concluding that Primate is *NOT* gambiting; and B) concluding that, based on Zindaras' behavior, he is likely to be scum. Thus, I want Zindaras (or, alternatively, CC) lynched today.
This might be a guilty concionse(sp?), because shortly after this:
Zindaras got two votes immediately after, in LESS THAN 45 MINUTES.Glork wrote:Hah. I don't care if Zindie "agrees" to get lynched now. I'll be pretty ticked if it doesn't happen at this point. I see virtually no reason to believe that Primate is malicious and that Zindie is legit.
But this doesn't seem SUSPICIOUS to you??? Looking at just the play, the words used, the promises made (and then discarded) and the one-sided basis to your attacks, it seems blatantly, blatantly obvious to me that you and Primate are scum buddies. The argument that there are two multiple-lived townies is blatantly False. THe rules of the game, first of all, advertise all sorts of weirdness and crazy fun and all that. So why the Intense and Adamant insistence that there is, in fact, only ONE of these crazy kind of players, adn that it HAS to be the one with two votes/player numbers? Scum would definitely want to kill one of Zindaras/CopyCat more than Primate. You even kind of acknowledge this! Zindaras (the player) has two characters in the game, which means two votes, yse, and also two lives. Primate can be endgamed no matter how many times he ressurects with only one scum; zindaras would need two. Zindaras and copycat were literally a two person mason team.
THat Aside, if this were a regular game, I would be voting and pushing for Glork to be lynched, and if he came up as scum, to get Primate lynched (twice if necessary, too). IT's not though, it's a crazy game. A game with lots of doubles. A double liver, a double player, a double voted, someone who takes 1/double the votes to lynch... IF I Was in my particularly paranoid moods, I would say that Glork, Primate, and Carbon Copy are ALL scum and that they orchestrated the lynch of Zindaras to clear Primate and CC. >.> <.<
SPeaking of which, Wow. Primate takes twice as many votes to lynch, ubertimmy takes half. This keeps all votes off of both of them.
The thing with Ubertimmy is that, if this is a permanent thing (Is it?) that we are effectively Another step closer to lylo; scum probably already make up a quarter of the vote, which meanas that, with 10 people alive, 3 to lynch, a scum group of three could take otu timmy right now with three votes and we'd go to night. They're not, now, because we could rope them up on consecutive days with no problem, but if there's three scum today, it measn we are maybe at lylo. If we lynch wrong today, go to 9, 1 die tonight, we're at eight, (8/2=4(5 maj)/2=3 majority. They lynch UT, we go to night, they kill, wake up with 6, endgame.
I'm jsut syaing that it's something we need to consider before we start flopping votes all over the place.
The similarities in this game to PR3 are creepy, too -
DGB, you are an inventer, right? Just like in PR3.
Thok, in that game, was a one-time-lynch immune mafia godfather.
Anyways,
DGB - did you figure out that your treat went to someone else yet?
HEre's a hint:
And now he has two votes.theopor_COD wrote:I've been left a special pussy treat by some kind feline . . .
Oh and for nowFOS Dripping Goofballfar too many questions, mind I'm eager to test Primate's claim aswell, for if he's lying we're up shit creek without a paddle soVote Primate.
My guess is that the dog was some kind of redirector, he would chase a person and make them change their targets. This is PURELY Speculation, but dogs DO like to chase cats around. DGB doesn't claim to have targetted THeopor, but THeopor seems to have received a gift. Unless of course there is another inventor.
I considered that, but I don't think it's true. The dog was chased away, the cat was 'taken home'. Maybe that doesn't mean anything,theopor_COD wrote: Question 1 - I've read it and still think it's more likely that Pheobus was a SK, unless the scum have two kills per night which would be incredibly unlikely. Fact that both aliases belonged to US presidents could indicate somehow that Pheobus and Thesp were linked possibly and if one died the other did, not sure. Mind with Massive/Primate and CC/Zindy being some kind of link, I can't see it.
Why do you think phoebus was hit by scum and thesp was vigged?Carbon Copy wrote:Yeah, just like I was a safe claim provided by the mod, right?Right?
*sighs*
There could be a vig. Phoebus was probably a Survivor. I don't understand why Thesp got, well, vigged, apparently.
Lastly:
This is a cat named Sugar. Isn't he sweet?
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I am not complaining about the wagon - I'm just pointing out what you said would happen if Zindaras turned out to be a mislynch, which I think maybe drew scum onto it as you say, and also may have convinced reluctant townies that you knew what you were talking about. You didn't, and a townie got lynched, and now you're avoiding the second half of hte quation you postulated, the one where you said you wouldn't let pod get away with counter claiming.
But that's not what I was even referring to in my last post. I'm more trying to determine which person I got my item from. I left a few clues, some real, some fake. The person who sent it to me should know exactly which one is real, and I'd just like to get it all cleared up.-
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Scum have no reason to waste shots on primate, when he can be endgamed or something. Besides, why would they be plugging away at people that would take two nights to knock off?
I'm not happy with the whole, get rid of a vote vs get rid of one life of a two-vote person, but, that's what happened. I need to lick myself in private, and try to sink down into the mod's level of depravity so I can understand what is the most likely to have happened.
Theo, you got a sweet pussy treat, is that the double vote?
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Well, I don't know.
I don't find anyone suspect in a game of bastard mod. THere have to be two and possibly as many as four inventors in the game, which leads me to think that one of them, at least, is maybe scum. someone handing out double votes is great, and probably pro-town, unless the person they target is scum, in which case, maybe they are helping a buddy?
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Carbon Copy actually received a gift n0, but I don' tthink anyone here knows what it does, and I don' tbelieve he's suggested if he's used it or whatnot.
Primate - As Claimed.
DGB - As Claimed.
UT - As Claimed.
COD - Proven. (By haveing a double vote) - Presumably given to him by DGB.
Glork also :doesstuff: at night. I can verify it.
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Primate said that he has two lives - and that for some reason this makes Zindaras' two players very scummy. GLork pushed hard for a zindaras lynch, sayign that if he turns up town, he would be trying very hard in the morrow to not let Primate get away with it.
Now that I know Glork didn't target Primate last night, he has no more reason now to think primate is town than he did yesterday, and yet he has basically demurred on this.
Bait and Switch, and I don't like it.
Vote : Glork
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I'm wondering if there is a misunderstanding going on here. If it's not a one-shot, why is there only proof of it having happened once? It didn't happen night one... at least, not that anyone's mentioned - then why wouldn't I think it's not one shot? Why did you vote me at the beginning of the day? It makes me think you are tryign to get rid of people who don't agree with you. Look at what you said the day before and how YOU reacted, and you should be able to see why I'm voting you now.Glork wrote:
If you really think that A) My ability is one-shot; and B) You don't know my role, then you're far less intelligent than I've been giving you credit for. Or you're very good at playing dumb.Skruffs wrote:As far as I know, that was a one shot thingie, so no, I have no idea what role you have - I jsut know of one thing you did.
Have you examined what you recieved in complete, thorough detail? Have you examined DP's reaction/response to it? Have you looked at all of the evidence in-thread to draw some conclusion as to thesignificanceof how I am choosing go about doing things?
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Okay, I read your claim.
First of all, yoru message indicates that you can tell if answers are truthful or not. The third question was wether DP thought Primate was scum or not - the answer being maybe. The reason I am suspicious of you is because you took Primate's side day one, forced a zindaras lynch, asked me if I was 3d - sayign that you would KNOW if I Was being truthful or not - and then voted me when I answered truthfully - and I am assumign you are voting me because you don't like that I said "maybe" to primate being scum or not. To be hoenst, I couldn't care less aboug DGB's post restriction and I doubt that you significantly care about it either. I made a mistake because I thought the answer on page one - with the "say something sweet, I will too!" was a message from you. I don't know why those thoughts got crossed in my head, but that's why I've been waiting for someone to 'confirm' by saying something nice ot me. Nobody did. See above with teh picture of the white cat named sugar and all that crap. Very confusing for me.
I think you are assuming too much, and that's another reason I am suspicious of you. Suddenly I may be a godfather even though you apparently got an innocent on me? Or maybe Primate is? Naw. Saying "Either Zindaras or Primate is scum, let's lynch Zindaras" day one, and then saying "Either SKruffs or Primate is scum, I don't know which" day two, that's, that's very , very scummy, in my eyes.
Either Primate is tellign the truth about being able to revive once, or, he's gambitting scum who knows town won't waste lynches on him and you are pushing that to try and get another townie mislynched. I think it's odd that you just take his claim at face value and then decide that he might be scum or who can't be investigated. That's not logical, at all.
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By that reasoning, if you are a cop, the questions are irrelevant, regardless.
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If you are mafia, someone else will die tonight, and you will be lynched tommorrow, probably, and if you are town, there will be no deaths or mafia will kill you tonight. I still think voting someone the next day after geting an innocent on them as scummy as hell.
Think about it. If I receive this message and it says you are able to tell if I am lying, why would I then roleblock you? WHy wouldn't I just get someone to kill you? Bad thinking.
You didn't answer why you assumed that Primate's role is accurate. THe day before you were spitting venom that if he was lying that you would go after him, now you are sayign it's not worth it because he wouldn't die. Well, if is fake claiming, he Would die. Automatically assuming that he is a double deader, and not inspecting him because he might show up as a godfather, does notmake sense. If youthinkhe's scum you should be trying to get him killed, even if it takes two lynches. Otherwise he wins at final three regardless of if he's lynched or not.
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I just really find it odd that Primate counter claims zindaras, in a fashion, zindars is l ynched, turns up town, and now primate isn't worth going after. You seem to be conceding that he might be agodfather and than an investigation would be useless on him but seem to have no interest in actually trying to get him killed.
I unvoted you, regardless, because it's not worth riskign lynching acop, even one as scummy as you. Plus i reread your claim and sawa that you voted me because you thought you were blocked. I still don't get why you think that the mafia would block and not kill you, though, considering there is no evidence of a role blocker, yet.-
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Well.. I think I've resolved my own questions, and posted to Glork my suspicions abuot the matter that aren't resolved in my eyes. I do not like the glork/primate thing, but at least I know that Glork targetted me - and not THesp - last night. DGB also targetted THeo, not THesp. So we are getting closer to finding out who killed Thesp.-
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After this Massive moved on to push for a DGB vote instead.massive wrote:As to why I'd vote DrippingGoofball ... I don't trustherZ-posting "restriction" and I think the tie toher"claimed role" is incredibly loose at best.
However, I did get to thinking about yesterday and last night, and it dawned on me reading Glork's summation that I do in fact know Primate is lying about his role. Would you like to explain, Primate, or shall we go on the premise of "Lynch All Liars"?
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DGB - GLork can quote himself but I don't think he's done much more than lip service in his pursuit of investigating PRimate. To promise to go after someone and then to avoid them completely is just WEIRD, to me, and not because it's glork, but just in general.
Primate, what exactly are you saying about Massive? You have to post your posts in preview tohim and he has to approve it or something?-
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I believe you were reasonably certain that either Zindaras or Primate were scum, and you pushed for a primate. Now you are reasonably sure that me or Primate is scum, and you are not going after primate, again.Glork wrote:I still don't understand you people. If I am reasonably certain that two players are scum and lynching only one of them will result in an actualdeadscumbag immediately, then why would I go after the other?
Tell me Pantsman, would you stake two lynches on Primate being scum?
Would you stake one lynch on another player being scum?
Do you think Primate was truthfully counterclaiming Zindaras, and that both of them are town, or not? You can't say "Well I think he's not town BUT I think he's tellign the truth about being a reviver.." Because then after you get zindaras, and skruffs, and someone else lynched and it gets closer to LOL, then whether primate is town or not, THAT'S when you will try to waste a lynch on him.
I think you really, raelly, slipped up here, because if you were actually suspicious of Primate yesterday, you would have targetted him, instead. A cleared townie with the ability to revive is a lot more helpful to you than a cleared townie that's not.
In short, I Really, really don't think your actions are adding up. But since I know you targetted me and not someone else, I don't think you are the mafia that commited a kill, and you have at least cleared me, so I'm going to drop it.-
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THe other thing is, I personally think that Primate is eith er adouble reviver town OR a single-life scum. I don't think we would have the equivalent of 4 needed lynches in a 13 player game. But Primate and GLork were both major proponents in lynching Zindaras, so my eyes are on them. It was a good move for mafia to have made, is why my eyes are on them.-
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I am not suggesting that we lynch primate twice. Personally, if he's scum, and was lying counterclaiming, than once would be enough. If he's town, than he wasn't lying, and once would clear him.
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there are bigger more likely scumfish to fry.
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Yeah, but Primate, Zindie really IS the cloned cat.
And the letters are from Glork - all three answers are fmo the people he targetted. HE didn't target Massive. None of the answers are frmo Massive.
The three questions were if I was 3d, if I thought you were scum,a nd if I thought DGB's posting restriction was real. There are no other letters, so, I think you just ruined a bad fake claim.-
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Theopor, you tried to kill Primate?
Primate didni't die. Hmm. Primate is also able to be lynched repeatedly.
Effectively, Primate, you are Kill Immune, I think.
Theopor and DGB both claim that their targets were switched around. DGB didn't target Primate, and Theopor got DGB's action... Theopor tried to kill Primate, but Thesp and Phoebus wound up 'dying' instead... Theo you say that your 'kill method' is different than from what happened to the two who vanished last night. How is it different?
*ponder*
Welcome to the game Mistef.
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The reason I asked was because of the wording up there. "Passed it on to me" strikes me as something like "They died... and passed it on to me' - which is why I was wondering if maybe you killed someone last night and stole their vote.theopor_COD wrote:
Double Vote today only, someone passed it on to me, heck knows why, would you rather I didn't reveal it and waste a potential vote, for all I know someone else will get the double vote tomorrow or had it yesterday and didn't announce it and it's 6 to lynch not 1 so need to panic.ubertimmy wrote: And I warn you, if theopor has a doublevote, I amvery, very, veryclose to being lynched. so please, unvote.-
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Your claim fits your role, except for the questions bit. It's enough to believe in for now, though.
All of your theories are possible, but it's also possible theo is a mafia thug who gets abilities from people he kills - and if he killed a townie, who's only 'ability' is his vote, than that ALSO Explains his double vote. Why are you *not* curious about that?-
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Glork, DGB, what are you talking about?
THe situation, as I see it...
1. theopor_COD - double vote, received as gift, attempted to kill primate last night - failed.
massive - if scum, scum with primate, otherwise wouldn't give another player extra lives. Apparently very rich.
Primate-Can ask for money to gain extra lives - if scum, is likely scum with massive, who may be a rich cartoonist or something
ubertimmy - Takes half-votes to lynch.
Glork - message sending cop
Miztef- ???
PookyTheMagicalBear- ???
DrippingGoofball- SLeeping Cat - santaclaus, chooses three targets, one of them gets a gift.
Carbon Copy* - A clone of Zindaras - effectively masons. COuld potentially be an SK, but there's no evidence to suggest that.
SKRUFFS - yay-
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I say boith would be town or scum because, if massive were scum and primate were town, massive would have no reason to give anyone - especially not pro-towners - money. The only reason I think massive would be scum would be, just as he stated, that they could talk about how they would claim in the morrow with each other.
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massive - i think you are misunderstanding what i posited, because you just posited the exact same thing back to me.
Either you and primate are scum together and have contrived this whole dilemma to help each other out, or you are being honest and scum is potentially getting extra lives from a townie.
Primate - it's frustrating isn't it? THat's why I went after Glork earlier in the day - because he was sliding out of responsibility for the mislynch of zindaras day one.-
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I have till twilite to respond to what?
You're a vig with a double vote, a killing machine. Nobody knows how you got it which suggests to me you took it. PRimate can get a second life from massive tonight; so your kill won't end this.
My opinion on primate has changed and this feels contrived.
I'm still fossing GLork.-
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How would we be at LyLo... well, with 9 people alive, 8 after lynch, if it's a mislynch, for us to be at lylo means there would have to be 4 mafiates? Well, wait, if it only takes half to lynch (5) and it takes half of THAT to lynch Nai (3), then if we mislynch today, mafia can quick lynch Nai tommorrow, and then have a majority the next day.
Nai, are you still only at half to lynch?
I received an ability last night, but I Wasn't targetted by DGB, last night, so... unless maybe it's a delayed targetting system; I was targetted by her last night.
DGB, did you target Theo n1?
I'm still most suspicious of Theo. But now I'm curious about Glork.
Anyways.-
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Hmmm...
On one side we have Glork and Mistef
On the other we have Pookie and DGB...
As far as I can tell, Nai is *probably* town, the way that both sides are using her as a chess piece with her half-votes thing.
As far as I can tell, Primate and Carbon Copy are probably both town because their other halves have died and stuff...
As far as I am aware, there is some kind of randomizer in town, I think.
Aight, well, If I got something frmo DGB last night, DGB is *probably* town, or else it's more bastard moddery than I thought.
I'm thinking about the game and how the only person who can be sure, so far, of who they targetted, is Glork. Nobody else can actually prove wether or not their targets succeedded/failed/etc except mafia and priamte with his requests to MAssive.
Thinking abuot it, I can kind of understand why scum would want to cut off funding to an effectively unkillable townie, But, at end game it doesn't matter how many lives primate has, so it was actually a dumb choice. I'm curious now about who was asking yesterady about what else massive could do - it could have been fishing. Worth looking up.
Glorok, I'm sorry that I came accross as godfather-looking for you for thinking more about the game than an immediate claimed guilty. If it matters, I believe that you are a cop.
Pooky, is there any reason you would have gotten "Scum" on his investigation on you? Are you an SK? Are you a neutral survivor?-
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I'm not claiming it , because I don't know if I did it. I do know I targetted Phoebus though. Well, my predecessor did. Nobody else has claimed to have, so. : P
I'm Data's Cat from Star Trek, Next Generations... which was sometimes a cat, sometimes an iguana, sometimes a different cat, etc.
I'm like a blind joat. I don't know what I've done so far, except, I targetted Phoebus two nights in a row - the first night I got an inspection on myself (town), the second night phoebus died and I got a letter, the third night I targetted Theo and got a (as far as I am aware) permanent ability to use on top of what I already have.
So I am guessing that Phoebus was some sort of reflector, or randomizer. But he's dead, and things are still being mixed around, so, I think that someone else msut be the cause of it.
Anyways, I have a tendency to claim when I don't need to but if it helps figure things out, then...-
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Yeah I know..
Primate - Real cat, from video. Not animated. Definitely 3-D. I did not target myself, look again. I targeted Phoebus and got a message wherein I showed up as town in a cop investigation.
The reason I asked Theo why he didn't kill PRimate was because I was pretty sure he was going to, and I'm wondering if I roleblocked him last night. If I did, he hasn't fessed up to it. So.
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N0 - Phoebus - Received a cop inspect on myself. (Cop)
N1 - Phoebus - Received a letter from Glork, Phoebus died. (Vig?)
N2 - Theo - Received permanent ability, Theo 'didn't kill'. (Roleblock/Doctor?)
I'm really REALLY not liking the way Pooky is just making assumptions about the layout of the game and what the mod would be likely to have done. Mistef has claimed the equivalent of a pro-town lyncher, and if Phoebus was in fact SK, it's just weird.
I think it's going to come down to looking abck and seeing who was actually pushing for scummy things. I really think lynching Primate yesterday was a bad idea, and I'm really suspicious of Theo for just double voting him like that. Voting Zindaras day one was also a bad idea.
Carbon copy has been incredibly quiet since day one, then. did that abilty you got help you figure anything out?-
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