Comparative Religion Mafia GAME OVAH

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Hi.

AP is transparently town.

VOTE: Jargonaut

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I am.

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Or rather i think leviathan is town.

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Shit just got real.

In what senses of the words "shit" and "real" do you claim this proposition to be true?

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I want implosion to be town.

I can be whatever you want me to be

Also remind me what thor says about scumslips?

Is jargonaut more likely to be scum than leviathan?

Given that I think levi is town and I have little opinion on jargonaut I'd say so.

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VOTE: Messiah Complex

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okay cool that's what i thought he said about them and i agree, just wanted to be sure.

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Well this game blew up. I'll read shortly.

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so i read part of the game and now i'm drunk.

i think i thought axle wa sucmy frum my read of what i got to but i was like hafl reading the game nadn ahalf watching the adrk kngiht so i'ts not `100% accurate. hi.

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So.

First off I SWEAR I will catch up in this game today.

Second off in brief skimming I have realized that I didn't find axxle scummy; I found quill scummy. Yes. Their names are completely different. I have no idea how I managed to confuse the two either. But ALAS, I did.

If someone has something of particular importance to point to then I would love some guidance in reading up.

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Bacde feels town.

Levi still feels town.

Messiah is probably town but that annoys me. Dayvig shenanigans annoy me. Messiah's tunneling on levi also annoys me. Whether or not it's a reaction test. 156 is just no. No traitor would actually

say

that.

Klazam could be scum (though this is gut right now). His changing vote to Jarg is good though. Meh. I'm waffling on him more as I keep reading.

330 kinda convinces me on bpc-scum.

As time goes on i feel more and more like i'm probably just going to sheep the seeming consensus that Klazam is town so that I don't have to do anything but that consensus should probably be put to a very brief period of questioning around d3 before it returns to being a consensus for the rest of the game (if applicable).

LG-town.

Quill is null for now after reading more stuff.

Incidentally it would be silly if scum were their own church. Probably. I just doubt that's the case.

418 kinda responds but not really to the Bacde point because idt it was about meta, it was about the fact that bacde has done a lot of things this game.

Levi is so flail-y, he's probably not scum, but he's still my favorite to lynch today if nothing else surfaces.

aaaand quill feels town now. Idt he'd advocate a policy lynch in this situation as scum. He might though. But eh. Yeah no quill isn't that scummy. He's acting like, overtly scummy, in the way that's more a personality thing than actual scum.

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WONDERFUL
i would appreciate if the pace of this game could slow now

maaaaybe from like, eh, 10 pages a day to, oh, 3-4. I'm looking at you AP+bacde+leviathan, who have more than half of the posts in the game. Please. For my sake.


VOTE: Abelcain

BPC's probably scum but we'll let him simmer for a bit.

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you don't even mention abel in your wall and there is already a wagon on bpc. why are you voting the former over the latter?

As a protest against the fact that this game is 20 pages 2 days in

because I felt like it. And because it's still actually extremely early in the day. There isn't a whole lot of need for my vote to be on bpc right now.

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implosion why do you feel that BPC is scum?

AP's post convinced me. Particularly the point about bacde.

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What do you think of bcb?

Undecided. I think calling him lurkerscum is silly because of game pace. Just calling him scum is less silly. I should probably stare at his iso a bit more.

My only big thought is how weak of an excuse implosion gave for voting me.

Yeah, I totally gave a weak excuse for that vote that I totally made on you (read: i never voted you).

Implosion, what do you think of my retort in in post 418?

I've actually mentioned this - you either sidestepped or misinterpreted the bacde point. Your response was:

I haven't played with you people before, so assuming I know everyone's meta beforehand is just stupid. After reading through the game and ISO, at the time, I felt he was null. I have no idea what IIoA stand for.

His point had nothing to do with meta, it only had to do with Bacde's posting, largely that his posting of all posting in this game really should be enough to elicit something other than simply a null opinion. It responds to his case but I don't feel like it defeats the points that he made.

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Who called him lurker scum?

AngryPidgeon, possibly among others.

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It's the end of finals week and I have rather low motivation. I'll be more active in a couple of days. Sorry.

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so i skimmed and didn't want to write off what bpc had done, then i actually read what bpc had done and i am completely willing to write off bpc as town. As well as klazam.

Someone point me in a direction/tell me why to vote abel, because I am more than willing to sheep

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i never claimed to have an abelcain read.

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i never claimed to have an abelcain read.

Why did you vote him over bpc then (you said bpc was probably scum)

If you'd like to ISO me and see the place where I already answered this question then that'd be swell ^_^

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you don't even mention abel in your wall and there is already a wagon on bpc. why are you voting the former over the latter?

As a protest against the fact that this game is 20 pages 2 days in

because I felt like it. And because it's still actually extremely early in the day. There isn't a whole lot of need for my vote to be on bpc right now.

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I'm not voting abel right now

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i *said* i was going for abel for the hell of it
on day one
less than three rl days into the game

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like seriously, is there just a trend in this game of people saying that i'm voting for people who i'm not voting for, because this isn't the first time it's happened

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it's okay, I can forgive you.

Also i'm slightly tempted now to vote for Abelcain without giving any reasons. Although I guess wanting to get the game moving is a reason in and of itself. There are also too many people that I have townreads on to various degrees, and he isn't one of them.

VOTE: Abelcain

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Why on earth do you think this? Why are you lumping both together and writing them off? You scum with BPC?

Not lumping them together - I'm writing them off as town individually based on both of their actions.

I think BPC's fake guilty, the way it was done, is more likely town than scum.

I think Klazam's reaction to the whole thing was very genuine. I can be more specific on either of these if desired.

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I really dislike a quill wagon. He's done a lot of little things that feel more town motivated than scum motivated, and I don't see anything that feels particularly scum motivated. Examples:

-the policy vote thing WRT leviathan that I mentioned a long time ago
-the atheism vs pastafarianism question. It feels like something where scum would look at what they just wrote, read over it and then decide not to say it because it has an obvious answer.
-the way he denounced the abel wagon.
-the way he's talking about levi today.
-the fact that he's questioning Bacde about his pick of religions. I don't think that's a line of inquiry scum would want to pursue because it would be something easy to call them out on.

Generally his play just feels more like a townie who's trying to make sense of what's going on than scum who is putting on a facade.

I'm gonna iso axxle now but it's decently likely that i'll join that wagon.

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soooo axxle hasn't posted in a week. Never mind then. It probably isn't a bad vote but I'll hold off for now.

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It was irrelevant and useless for scumhunting, yes. But some townies don't approach the game in the way of "everything has to contribute towards finding scum." Some just want to know what's going on in general, and that's the vibe I get. Plus, it may not have been useless for scumhunting from his point of view because he may have seen it as an attempt to elicit important information from you.

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Quill asking about my pick of religions was extremely scummy, in that it was irrelevant and useless for scumhunting yet made it seem like he was doing work

the things i mentioned in 865. The questions aren't good questions per se but I think they're genuine.

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i never claimed to have an abelcain read.

Why did you vote him over bpc then (you said bpc was probably scum)

If you'd like to ISO me and see the place where I already answered this question then that'd be swell ^_^

No no no no no no no no no no no. Fucking just say it again or link to it.

Why, i *DID* quote it when bacde asked me! here, i'll quote myself quoting it. Plus, let's add in an extra layer of quote tags just for that triple-quoted goodness:

you don't even mention abel in your wall and there is already a wagon on bpc. why are you voting the former over the latter?

As a protest against the fact that this game is 20 pages 2 days in

because I felt like it. And because it's still actually extremely early in the day. There isn't a whole lot of need for my vote to be on bpc right now.

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iso'd axxle, happy with that wagon, but pretty sure it's at l-1 so i'll hold off for a bit.

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iso'd axxle, happy with that wagon, but pretty sure it's at l-1 so i'll hold off for a bit.

Since when did saying "i iso'd" become equivalent with "im putting in town effort"

It didn't and i wasn't claiming that it did? See, Bacde, the thing is that I'm town so I really don't have as strong of a need as some players to make it appear that i'm putting in town effort ^_^. And if you'll look at my posts before the week break, you'll notice that the next thing on my to-do list was to look at Axxle once he made more recent posts.

In short, nothing in Axxle's iso looked particularly town and a lot of things looked very awkward. If desired I can be more specific.

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Axxle's claim post seems town.

Don't have a ton of energy right now, just got back to college for research so not 100% sure how much time/energy i'll have over the coming weeks but I suspect I'll be able to keep up.

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I can't really make my words actions when I just don't have that many words to give, unfortunately. I am just not getting any solid scumreads. Klaz/Quill/BPC/levi/probably Bacde and Jarg have been town for a bit in my head. Angrypidgeon is as well, although I really don't know how comfortable I am with that read. I didn't really see Axxle's post where he claimed as likely to come from scum, although I might reconsider that after thinking about the fact that he claimed delayer (which is a potentially very strong town role and a somewhat weaker scum role, so somewhat more likely scum than town). I haven't seen enough from Lord God that makes me think strongly and Abelcain's slot has been vacant for 3 and a half weeks.

I've kind of been demotivated by the fact that I just haven't been making a ton of progress in my head in figuring out this game.

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axxle's last four posts read as town to me.

I'm just going to leave this here and see what happens, it's not like this game is going anywhere fast anyway

VOTE: AngryPidgeon

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I'm honestly kind of facepalming at my play right now too tbh, i wish there was more that I felt confident in saying but this game just feels like it isn't generating anything that I can go off of.

In some way you're the person who my reasons-to-townread are the sketchiest for, I think. Lord God also exists but he only very nominally feels like part of the game right now.

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Lord God also exists

http://explosm.net/comics/3577/


@AP, you might be right about BPC but I'm not going to admit it just yet.

i actually find it impressive that I managed to say this non-intentionally

(but you know what i mean)

Are you mis-townreading bipolarChemist? If so, why?

Actually for almost the exact reason that Axxle said. I first said I had the townread here. But I think Axxle managed to say it fairly well on this page. It just feels like something town would be more likely to do in this situation than scum.

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Mastin having been recruited is interesting because that means someone tried to recruit abelcain. I only really skimmed it but mastin's iso reads town (specifically the part about the PT). But also other parts.

I think I prefer this to an AP vote at this particular moment.

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VOTE: Axxle

If someone wants to give me some motivation to do more stuff that'd be cool too.

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The implosion evidence isn't very strong, I delayed him last night. He hasn't really mentioned anything about that so it feels like he's hiding something.

That's odd, because I tried to recruit Bacde and I thought I was one of the three. Although it could be that 4 tried.

Just opened thread and saw that, will read more in a bit.

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Have you heard the good news?

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/prod dodge post, but also my position hasn't changed.

I want to complain about the current state of affairs but this is where I'm at.

If I open the thread tomorrow and nothing has changed I'll probably just fullclaim because I see my lynch as the most likely outcome of this sequence of circular events, and the information might as well be out there.

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I might be coming around on Klazam-scum. I don't think I'm going to come around on BPC-scum. I still am putting in way less effort into this game than I should. I think all of mastin/AP/Kagami are town. I also think leviathan is town. I'd say those are my strongest townreads given recent events, with mastin being the most up for debate I guess.

If people were to vote Klaz I'd join it. I don't feel as strongly on Bacde town as before, the claim feels meh. But I don't think I want to wagon him.

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so uh hi i'm here ~_~

I'd prefer to just lynch Jarg. I don't see bpc's claim being false.

I also appear to have failed to recruit last night. Did anyone's recruit succeed that I'm forgetting about? Because if not there might have been some global recruit-block, or something like that.

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Like I really don't see why we use the supersaint here.

Do enough people really think BPC is likely enough scum to lynch him here? Because his claim is inane as either scum-with-jarg or scum-without-jarg. And if we don't lynch him we keep a pretty-damn-town player alive, assuming jarg does flip scum.

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Did not try to recruit axxle. Will say who if anyone wants.

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VOTE: BPC L-1

*stinkeye*

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i'm actually going to be a bit mad if axxle is town with the timing of that l-1.

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I think at this point that my vote is going to wind up on bacde. I started isoing jarg earlier today, I'll continue it later.

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:S.

I say bacde because I just feel the shakiest about the things from him that feel town. In case I was in fact hammered (or because i'm being wagoned if not), I'll fullclaim:

I'm joseph smith. I tried to recruit AP the past two nights (I kind of panicked last night and submitted late but UT says the action was accepted). I can act as a doctor for anyone in my church. I can also be a member of multiple churches for whatever reason.

Also, I can't be investigated by members of my church... which is odd.

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I'm not sure if you're being intentionally obtuse but accepted does not mean successful. It means he allowed me to submit even though I was late.

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I would like someone to make the case for LG-town clear. I'm not entirely sure why he's been written off as town other than the one-way mason thing, but it's felt that way.

I feel ap is town. If someone wants to argue against that i'd also like to see a case for him as scum. I can probably be sold on lg-bacde right now. I can probably be sold on most things right now to be fair though... which is a problem.

I was kind of hoping that being in a pt with

a spammer

bacde or ap would help me be motivated to post more actively in this game. Unfortunately that dream got stepped on.

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I would like someone to make the case for LG-town clear. I'm not entirely sure why he's been written off as town other than the one-way mason thing, but it's felt that way.

I feel ap is town. If someone wants to argue against that i'd also like to see a case for him as scum. I can probably be sold on lg-bacde right now. I can probably be sold on most things right now to be fair though... which is a problem.

I was kind of hoping that being in a pt with

a spammer

bacde or ap would help me be motivated to post more actively in this game. Unfortunately that dream got stepped on.

I think I like AP scum here but I should reread. His day 1 half push plus super defense on jargo + bob lynch + messiah kill all points there so far.

Maybe klazam for his lylo fearmongering. I mean we all know what will happen if we mislynch here

You two can just spend the day cross-voting each other. It'll make sure your votes are probably on scum, and if not, at least you can wait until everyone else does all the scumhunting for you.

Thank you for the helpful, constructive, well-supported advice! It means even more coming from the only person with fewer posts than me.

Barring anything that looks better to me I don't see any good reason not to vote LG.

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Yeah, AP is pretty transparently town at this point as far as I can tell. I'll vote for LG later today unless he actually says something of substance that makes me not want to.

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Being told that another player is town, and that that player knows that you know that they're town, could be either.

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AP has been dominating this game, Bacde, but you're certainly the second-most dominant.

VOTE: Lord God

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AP has been dominating this game, Bacde, but you're certainly the second-most dominant.

VOTE: Lord God

Whats your point?

That you pointing out AP dominating the game in an ominous tone isn't particularly meaningful unless you can differentiate between him dominating the game and you dominating the game.

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Step one, everyone ideally needs to fullclaim their role and actions in one place.

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Spoiler: A bunch of relevant posts from the second half of Jarg's iso, reverse chronological order (note that some of them are mostly only relevant for others and not for me because they only pertain to me)

Klazam/LG/Leviathan are being hush hush still about why LG and Levi are for sure town. I'm more convinced about Levi, since only Klazam has said that LG is town.


Even without the RB, I can't see scum AP switching himself and AbelCain.

I'm seeing Kagami as town much more than mastin.

Given that we have a confirmed delayer

Yeah, I haven't seen much town play come from Axxle.

I'd like to see what Klazam has to say about recent events.

I'll even vote Axxle again if it means we don't lynch one of my town reads.

...and!?!?

Bacde, AP is town. Vote implo so we can lynch scum today.

I'm very confident that AP is town. Please lynch implosion with me.

Mastin, didn't you/AbelCain recruit Quill? You can't be in the same church, can you?

I agree, Levi is town unless LG/Klazam flip scum.

I'm not sure of the validity of the Implo evidence. Why did that require a mass claim?

I don't know what good a mass claim will do us right now. I'd rather not. Why do you want to mass claim? Why does the evidence have to wait until it happens?

Axxle, why aren't you voting implosion if you have evidence against him?

Bacde continuously unvoting/not hammering despite his comments is weirding me out too, but I can't see it coming from scum Bacde/town AP. It's either scum/scum or town Bacde, and my money is on town/town.

Klazam/LG/Levi is tricky for me right now. There's too much top secret business going on there.

I don't feel good about a single one of the votes on AP. Seriously, LG's is the only one that has been explained, and even then I don't really like his reasoning. Why is he voting AP over Bacde?

Hey, remember when we had implosion at L-1, before the wagon collapsed because Bacde went rabid? That was nice. I'm nostalgic. Perhaps we can still recapture that magic!

I see what you're saying, but to be honest, that seems like a pretty weak tell. What do you think of BPC's reaction test with Klazam? What would be his motivation for doing that as scum?

I looked over implo again, and I'm up for it.
VOTE: Implosion.
In fact, since we're discussing possible scum teams now, I'm leaning Axxle/Implo.

I'd consider implo, but I'm not convinced that Axxle is town just because he claimed, and I'm not really feeling AP as scum. I'm still happy lynching Axxle today.

My first reaction to this was bacde/klaz come out scummier, but hrm.

1284 makes me think Axxle-town. It doesn't feel like a bus, it feels like scum who's happy to get a compromise lynch on town so they can have more rapport tomorrow. The way he talks about Axxle in general, ditto.

The way 1429 tries to cast doubt on LG's confirmed-but-not-actually-confirmed status also doesn't feel bussy. Singling out his vote in 1185 is odd.

I think the thing this makes me feel most strongly overall is axxle-town.

I'm going to put more effort into this than i have been now that this is my only game. Also the whole lylo thing.

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Very, very briefly meta'd jarg wrt how she acts towards scumbuddies. She distanced early in that game. Gonna say right now though that I think Axxle is town and idk yet between the other three. I guess bacde's most likely to be scum of the three. Maybe. Don't hold me to that though.

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*whistles*

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Joseph Smith, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

I can recruit, and I can doctor people in my church. People in my church can't investigate me. I can be in multiple churches.

Recruited Bacde -> AngryPidgeon -> AngryPidgeon -> Klazam. With what appears to be zilch success.

I don't really care who goes next, I guess Bacde but i don't care that much.

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see it's really sad because i decided i was going to try

then everyone else apparently decided they weren't :\

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So, nice weather we're having. Cloudy with no chance of Bacde.

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Nope. I agree it's a pretty shitty situation.

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heh. cabd replacing bacde is funny because their names are similar.

Cabd, we all expect you to read the game, re-read, and submit a series of three 7-page essays on the intricacies of the setup, previous flips, and predicted future flips, submitted in triplicate within the next 24 hours. Hop to it.

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I envision myself sheeping Axxle to be fairly likely at this point.

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Probably gonna vote klazam :\. I have a distinct void of motivation for doing anything in this game anymore.

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my reason for wanting to vote klazam in case sufficient motivation exists in anyone to care about it is that the me of three weeks ago thought axxle was town, apparently. And that me certainly had more motivation than the me of today. Blah blah lylo sheep blah.

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yep. posting for great posterity.

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posting to demonstrate lack of quickhammer (again)

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i meant i wasn't hammering LG, i.e. i can't be scum with anyone but LG
in fact if I was scum with LG we could hammer klaz
so i'm either slowrolling scum or clear.

Anyway. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense on the last page. The wonderful thing about forum mafia is that he can now clarify what he meant on this page.

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Two reasons.

One, I've stated that as of now I'm inclined to vote Klaz.

Two, that just wouldn't be in the spirit of this game, now would it.

Klaz, if I were scum with LG, I would have voted you a long time (probably like a day or two) ago. I easily could get away with it given all of the posturing I've been doing. Why should Cabd-town make me think you-town?

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so, this is getting boring and i'm probably just going to say fuck it and hammer lg soon, partially because i'm thinking more that it's right, partially because you're the only two who are trying, partially because i'm ready for the game to end

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~_~.

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the reason that i didn't explicitly say for hammering was because I thought axxle wasn't going to post, so i'm gonna see if he posts anything good first

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yeah. fuck it.

VOTE: lord god

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First claims from last night. I recruited Axxle. He's in my church now.

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(I presume your claim is to have taken no action)

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so uh
we both did things other than kill at night
axxle confirms that we both did things other than kill at night
????

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Klaz: just for clarity, explain why you're "basically conftown." I think you're town but I want to hear it from your mouth.

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Mod: if a mafia member has a recruiting power, can they recruit and kill in the same night?

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*poke*

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But seriously, would i, as scum, come out and straight bus lg in lylo? (As for clarification, lg never voted me)

Probably not. But hey, I can still stew over the decision for the next couple of weeks, right?

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It's in the spirit of this game, after all.

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Yeah. Both of you just say generally whatever you think is most convincing, etc. Klaz, I don't remember what I actually *said* but if you could debunk the points I made that made me think Axxle was town yesterday that'd be cool. I'm going to sleep soon, I'll more likely than not put in ~effort~ tomorrow.

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oh yeah. also. I had a dream about this game last night. I don't remember the details well but cabd died (i figured he would) and then i think axxle denied that i recruited him? idr. shrug.

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Did some reading. I think I've convinced myself that nothing is going to convince me that this is wrong.

VOTE: Axxle

If this is wrong then i blame people that voted AP. And also WP klazam.

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THIS DOES NOT TELL ME IF I WAS RIGHT

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;_;

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*deep sigh*

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Yeah, a huge thanks to Cabd for replacing in (and also his play after replacing in, but also just replacing in at all).