Mini 448: Judgement Day Mafia-Game Over!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Greetings, gentlemen.

I trust we will swiftly flush out the evil that has betaken our generation.

Vote: Jdodge

because he's one helluva sneaky b*stard

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: JDodge

Oh, and BZ, disagree on the cult, what is there apart from good and evil? Could be Druids i suppose.

Sounds like someone is sure of the setup. Could he be mafia ?

Unvote, vote: The Fonz

for exactly the same thing N9V and Spambot saw in xyzzy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

JDodge, if I put him at -1, would that be a good or a bad thing for the town ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

It is a bit of each, of course. If is good in that we can usually get quite a bit of info from -1; it is bad in that someone stupid could hammer before we get said info.

I think he doesn't want to put xyzzy at -1 for particularly that reason, wouldn't that be the most probably explanation ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

More than Higsby, I'd like to know why shadyforce made this post:

Vote: Spambot

Scum.

It seems unfounded, yet there seems to be an underlying reason to this vote besides a random vote. I think Spambot applying pressure on xyzzy was a very pro-town move, so I don't understand this logic.

Unvote

, as on second thought, I misinterpreted what Fonz was trying to say.

Sorry!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay. *slaps himself into seriousness*

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Higsby, this is the FBI, we'd like to ask you a few questions.

First of all, what is your relationship with xyzzy ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Dammit I feel belittled when JDodge is around. He asks all the sharp questions and leads the investigation while I'm acting as a sidekick.

I feel like WhoMe?, ryan or johhan if any of you have ever been in games with them.

Alright onwards with what feeble attempt I can offer to make discussion.

I would like to bring everyone back to the case on xyzzy. xyzzy, I don't feel that what you have said to explain your first comment is satisfactory, and at this point in time, you are the closest to being lynched. I would like to see your analysis of the game so far for future reference and why we should not lynch you.

Also, your follow-up comment:

I wrote that from a neutral point of view;

I know my role, and I know whether or not there are townies

, but the fact that some don't forces me to speculate as much as possible.

1. How do you know there are townies ?

2. If you are a townie yourself, then what is the meaning of your first post ?

It sounds, from the description, like we might have 2 opposing cults? I'm not sure, but that's what it sounds like.

Perhaps there's townies, or

maybe the "evil" cult begins as a mason group which can convert... or something.

This seems like two contradicting posts. In one, you claim to know whether or not there are townies, in the other, you say perhaps there are townies...

To my seniors, does LAL apply here ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

In that speculation, didn't he imply that he was either not a townie in the first case, and townie in the second ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

He didn't imply he was unaware of the existence of a town, every game has a town. He implied ignorance of whether there were

townies

. Different thing.

What's the difference ? Townies being vanilla townies, you mean ? As in everybody is a mason sort of thing ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree with this, except for the part a -1 gives us more info than a hammer. A -1 can give us absolutly no info at times, when a hammer gives us his allegience, and then we can work from there to determine who attacked him, who defended him, and so on.

As of now, info. Who does't say that xyzzy isn't scum? So then it would give us info and a free mafia kill.

Vote: N9V

That's absolutely nonsensical, talking about how the hammer is the best play while the game is still at this stage. That, coupled with his free mafia kill retort, tickles my evil detector...

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, a -1 could give possible claims, incite mafia to act overconfidently, other players can slip, etc.

How is that not risk-free information ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Not neccesarily. It doesn't always lead to a claim. I didn't say we should hammer him, I just pointed it out that it can give more info than a -1 can.

So you want us to -1 and hammer him immediately after ? Isn't that pushing for a quicklynch ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Then why don't you put him at -2, mr. Bond ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I based my assumption that there is a town on the fact that I was going entirely off of logic.

Ah, now I see what Spambot's getting at here. You shouldn't assume there's a town, you ought to know. In fact, didn't Xyzzy state earlier that he did

know

(not assume) there were townies? And now he says he assumed there was a town based off logical deduction?

Yes, exactly.

As for your reason for voting me, its either baseless or OMGUS.

Let me explain: When someone hammers, there's the risk of lynching a town.

When someone -1, the only risk is that someone hammers(I suppose this is what you meant)

But hammering would be an anti-town move that would surely only lead to a lynch for the hammerer if the person at -1 doesn't have a suitable time frame to respond to any arguments. So there, -1 is literally risk-free (I was saying it in the context in which N9V said that its best to hammer than to leave it at -1 to gain information) Err do I make myself clear ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You seem to be implying that townies won't do something stupid like hammering somebody. Doing so is scummy, but it's not entirely unrealistic to expect somebody to make a mistake. Whether it's miscounting how many votes away they are or just not reading the thread, it's not that clearcut.

Seeing as how everybody is so active, I doubt there could be any excuses if we explicitly say it because it would clearly be anti-town to hammer if the town unanimously agrees.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ah, yeah alright. I was addressing Fonz anyway.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He's not pushing the argument that a lynch is better than L-1. He's saying that

the argument Albert put forward, that a lynch would not yield more info than an L-1 vote, is crap, which it is.

Why are you distorting the truth ? First of all, I never said that.

Second, he has time and time again said that its better to hammer than -1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wow, I hope everyone saw this.

Second, he has time and time again said that its better to hammer than -1.

This is what I

said

.

Liar. At no point does N9V say someone should hammer.

This is what he said I said. He did a nifty job of transforming what I said. This buster is really going to extremes to draw a case on me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

To clarify further, I said he said its better to lynch than to -1 for your information, while you say I said he said that someone should hammer.

Gah, how many times did I use the verb saying in this post ?

Anyway. You are either lying, or as clumsy as they come, twice accusing me wrongly.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How so ? Please explain as obviously it is clear that Fonz is the one making up stories.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There's the quotes in order. I read that as N9V pointing out that putting someone at L-1 won't necessarily give you any additional information.

To which I said:

Also, a -1 could give possible claims, incite mafia to act overconfidently, other players can slip, etc.

How is that not risk-free information ?

I take it that he is building an argument with the basis that hammering is a good move the way he is promoting such an action. Hence what I said earlier.

IGMEOY The Fonz

This is the kind of misunderstanding that can blow up into false accusations which can be exploited by scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: ABR

Confirm vote: Albert B. Rampage

LFOS:

NAR for not bothering to read the thread properly. Doesn't help.

Unvote, vote Albert B. Rampage

Stop begging for attention, we get it, your OMGUSing me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why are you so adamantly voting and voting and voting Albert, anyways?

Check the last votecount. This is the first one that counted, I was technically still voting you up until that last one. Also, because he's scum. He's a liar, an OMGUser, and

Stop begging for attention, we get it, your OMGUSing me.

@ Albert. Your claim that I am omgusing is hilariously stupid. I attacked you for your incredibly scummy behaviour towards N9V from post 84, before you had ever mentioned me. It is you who is OMGUSing. My reasons for going after you were valid, you've been acting like scum, and your illogical and OMGUSSY responses only confirm my suspicions.

I think Fonz has some sort of Jester role. He has to be lynched to win or something.

First of all, I voted for him first, then removed my vote. Then he OMGUS votes me. Its all in the facts, just re-read the thread.

I think Fonz should largely be ignored, for his anti-town behavior can probably not be helped, and we will only give him what he wants by voting for him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It makes perfect sense, he raises no valid arguments, makes ad hominem attacks, repeatedly votes for me, unvotes me just to vote me again with little relevant information.

This spells "I want to be lynched", loud and clear.

Also, why would he go after me with preposterous, far-fetched explanations of his perceived "scummy behavior" ? He makes absolutely no sense, and alienates me more than anything, by placing me as the center of his attentionl-seeking worship.

[Albert B. Rampage]

N9V is not a newbe, in fact, he mods one of my games.

My vote is still on him, last I checked.

Your outlandish attitude will be the subject of contempt from other players, god help you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Then what ? What could possibly justify this flurry of unprecedented amount of crap from Fonzy's part ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ Albert. Your claim that I am omgusing is hilariously stupid. I attacked you for your incredibly scummy behaviour towards N9V from post 84, before you had ever mentioned me. It is you who is OMGUSing. My reasons for going after you were valid, you've been acting like scum, and your illogical and OMGUSSY responses only confirm my suspicions.

Page 1 shoes me unvoting my random vote victim, and placing it on Fonz. I went after him first. He promptly overreacts a few posts later.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bah, I doubted that scum would ever expose themselves so much, so I didn't vote for him, but now...

Unvote, vote Fonz

[Albert B. Rampage]

What a load of crap, Fonz, honestly.

Your arguments are not valid, you are outright lying and distorting facts to justify a sordid vote that does nothing but bewilder me.

#1 Your vote is an OMGUS, as I proved with an earlier post

#2 Your argument about my "risk-free" statement is a botched attempt of sticking blame to me.

#3 You grossly reinterpret what I say to mean something different.

#4 You degrade your credibility with every post you make, probably aiming for the "too scummy to be scum" angle.

All in all, most of what you say is either a lie or a disfiguration of the truth.

Bah, I doubted that scum would ever expose themselves so much, so I didn't vote for him, but now...

Unvote, vote Fonz

THERE. RIGHT FREAKING THERE.

You suddenly, without warning, switched from your beloved jester theory.

They are so freaking obvious.

Sigh. It was a premature idea, a guess if you will. Bur now I think he just wants to appear

too

scummy to be scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Because ? Your misrepresenting me again.

"Beloved jester theory"

...?

It only makes sense for him to want to be lynched to throw so much "false truths" at me. But as he posts more of his blatant lies, and no one seems to pick up on this, my self-preservation kicks in and wants him out of this game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I stated time and time again that Fonz is trying to go for the too scummy to be scum position, and is in fact scum, so I voted him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

JDodge, your sharp.

[Albert B. Rampage]

First I vote, then he follows my vote. Then I vote for him, he OMGUS me, and has been on my tail since.

What's the case on me again ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

First I vote, then he follows my vote. Then I vote for him, he OMGUS me, and has been on my tail since.

What's the case on me again ?

Yet another blatant lie! There were THREE WHOLE PAGES between you voting me and me voting you!

Which proves what ? That your a bit late, that's all.

You bring up a piece of evidence to defend N9V, claiming he's a newbe that needs to be defended when he has been here longer than you, and your original arguments are now silenced, and only vaguely referenced for fear of being uncovered.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Alright, well, that's 3 votes on me for reasons I can't fathom.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're inconsistent.

You make stupid accusations.

You're blind to the truth of the two preceding statements.

Good enough reason, scum?

Ooookay mr.i-didnt-know-theres-a-town

[Albert B. Rampage]

Numero uno, N9V meant we should hammer instead of waiting at -1, so you are the one who is mistaken.

Dos, a few posts later means a few of your posts later, not everybody elses.

There, so where are the "lies" ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Naw man, let N9V speak for himself.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I didn't say N9V said we should hammer him. I said N9V said its better to hammer than -1.

Massive misinterpretation.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't understand your last post Fonz.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I said that we shouldn't be talking about hammering when we were still at the infant stage of the discussion. I don't know what you saw in that, but it ain't there.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree whole-heartedly with that, but I'm nowhere near as convinced as you are of who is scum.

Yes, the statement you quoted was ambiguous, but it can definitely be seen from both perspectives, but imo, if I were in your shoes, I would give myself the benefit of the doubt.

Well, there's a solid case for JDodge right there...

Unvote

[Albert B. Rampage]

Now you see how trying to get them focused on the game that's going on outside of their bickering is about as fun as do-it-yourself dentistry.

Stop saying them, its him. I didn't want any of that, and have TRIED to ignore him, that didn't work. Now let's get back to xyzzy.

This is almost meta, so I must apologize before I say this...

Being scum is very hard because you have to simultaneously act like you find 2 people suspicious, when you actually don't have any suspicion. In that case, it's a lot easier to claim no suspicion and hope no one notices you.

That's exactly what that sounds like.

Why do you have to act like you find 2 people suspicious ?

Also, I said that I don't know who is scum, I didn't say I didn't suspect anyone; I suspect you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wow wtf...

I said a case FOR JDodge, meaning a case on ME for JDodge to accuse, not a case ON JDodge.

STOP misinterpreting. GUYS. SERIOUSLY. READ AGAIN.

[Albert B. Rampage]

xyzzy is by far acting scummiest, if I were any one of you, that's where my vote would be.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote:Xyzzy

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think there is much to add as to why I am on xyzy. The entire there might not be a town thing was a huge slip in my view, and his subsequent explanations have been more than a little contrived. I believe he is the best possibility for scum which is why I have been on him all day.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I find it funny you say that because you were the one who jumped at my throat to get away from being lynched...I've done nothing wrong while you, on the other hand, have let out a considerable slip.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I only have 1 vote more than you now than Mr.Bond has voted for me.

Also, I haven't played in an anti-town way such as you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hold it...

[Albert B. Rampage]

1) I don't see what's suspicious about trying to find scum

2)

Also, a -1 could give possible claims, incite mafia to act overconfidently, other players can slip, etc.

How is that not risk-free information ?

3) I claimed no such thing.

4) You again misinterpreted. I said that if the whole town agrees on not hammering, hammering would be anti-town. Read that quote again.

5) He WAS distorting the truth, re-read it again.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You also fail to prove anything against me...

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll ask it again: Are you trying to get people to stop paying attention to me?

Yes, I'm trying to get people to stop paying attention to you because your my scum partner..../sarcasm

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, are you ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm outta here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Good luck, mafia! Fight til the end!