Mini 448: Judgement Day Mafia-Game Over!

[JDodge]

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

This is liek totally OMGUS!

[JDodge]

Xyzzy's sureness that there's a cult makes me think that he's a part of it.

Unvote, vote: xyzzy

[JDodge]

FoS: Higsby

Justifying as to why xyzzy is scummy and then randomly voting ~N9V~.

[JDodge]

It is a bit of each, of course. If is good in that we can usually get quite a bit of info from -1; it is bad in that someone stupid could hammer before we get said info.

But with the amount of justification from Higsby without any action is bad.

[JDodge]

Perhaps; but his amount of justification says that he has no doubts. If he didn't think the evidence was strong enough, why didn't he say so?

[JDodge]

I think that shadyforce's vote was a random one.

[JDodge]

Yes, I agree with JDodge. More of a funny vote, perhaps something took place between them before. As for xyzzy... I can only call him clumsy. A massive FOS:xyzzy, but I don't want to put anyone at -1 already without a chance for xyzzy to properly defend himself. Post 20 doesn't count by my book.

You see, that's the kind of reaction I would expect in this situation. Higsby's reaction was odd.

[JDodge]

But with the amount of justification from Higsby without any action is bad.

I did FoS xyzzy, so I think that's some action. I didn't explicitly say "FoS", but it's pretty obvious from my post.

You assume I meant the FoS.

[JDodge]

No, I'm not assuming anything. You said, "without any action". FoS is action.

Bzzzzzzzt. Wrong. Not what I mean. Entirely not what I mean.

I think it's quite an overstatement to say that my "amount of justification says that

no doubts." I'd like you to show how what I said implied that I have no doubts.

No, I don't think that's too much of a leap to make. You never said anything that did not condemn xyzzy.

[JDodge]

I know my role, and I know whether or not there are townies

Anyone could say that to look town.

It's this which I'm worried about:

Perhaps there's townies, or maybe the "evil" cult begins as a mason group which can convert... or something.

Which basically says he knows there is a cult.

[JDodge]

Yes. But that's not the same as saying it outright. For LAL to apply, it would need to be unambiguous what is being said, and similarly clear that it has been proven false. I don't see the sense in speculating on setups you know not to be the case, but it's not an outright lie in the manner that a faked roleclaim is.

It is an outright statement. He admits it with his own words.

You assume that people are just going to come out and say something. 'Tis better to look between the lines.

[JDodge]

I agree with this, except for the part a -1 gives us more info than a hammer. A -1 can give us absolutly no info at times, when a hammer gives us his allegience, and then we can work from there to determine who attacked him, who defended him, and so on.

A hammer gives us info and the scum a free kill.

What one's better again?

Fonz, you seem to be defending xyzzy rather adamantly. Why?

[JDodge]

As of now, info. Who does't say that xyzzy isn't scum? So then it would give us info and

a free mafia kill.

Unvote, vote: ~N9V~

NOBODY should be happy about a free night-kill for the scum.

[JDodge]

I meant that as a free mafia dead.

How are you so sure he's scum? I don't think xyzzy is scum.

[JDodge]

@JDodge: Do you think xyzzy is town? Or are you undecided for now?

You're forgetting the obvious option from his posts. Cult.

Is this a clue?

the 10 of you have been brought here to make your choice

There are 12 participating.

I think this was originally going to be a 10-player setup.

[JDodge]

I consider town-aligned power-roles to be covered under the term "townies," hence the term "vanilla townie" for a town-aligned player with no special abilities. I find your interpretation absurd.

FoS: The Fonz

And just a general FYI, xyzzy is at L-3 not L-2. And we should definitely at least get everyone's opinion on the subject before we consider lynching or not.

Don't FoS someone because they have a different definition of something than you do. It's not nice.

[JDodge]

Fonz, let me explain this a little better. JDodge said that if we lynch xyzzy the mafia would get a free kill. I said that there is a chance that he could be scum, so we could get a free mafia killed. But thinking on it,I didn't like JDoge's post.

Unvote/Vote: JDodge

DELAYED REACTION + OMGUS!

It's definite that the scum get a free kill. It's NOT definite that we kill scum if we lynch xyzzy.

Why aren't you all voting ~N9V~?

[JDodge]

Because xyzzy just claimed not-town. I need to go reread some of N9V's posts, but he might be my second or third choice right now.

So? If it's true, then which side is truly good or bad? Doesn't that essentially make it three sides all against each other?

I doubt that it's anything like that. I would imagine, if anything, that said evil is probably a mafia group, whereas any cult might be under the "good" category, leaving the town to decide.

[JDodge]

I mean it in a way that those defined in the setup xyzzy mentioned may mean that the "good" is a cult and the "bad" is a mafia, leaving a town that is an actual good, as opposed to theoretical good.

I think that he's a poor choice for today. I think N9V is a much better choice.

[JDodge]

No, Albert, Spambot is right; it's not always certain that someone who hammers in that situation is scum. It's the people who push hardest for a lynch on a hammer like that who are scum.

[JDodge]

JDodge, why is N9V a good choice? I don't really understand why he voted you, but other than that he hasn't done anything that scummy I can see.

Please get some reading glasses and get back to me.

If that doesn't work, I'll give you the long version tomorrow.

[JDodge]

Here's what I didn't like about his post. Let me bold it for you.

How are you so sure he's scum? I don't think xyzzy is scum.

Oh, that's everything in it. Let me explain further. First he goes off about me supposidly

knowing

that xyzzy is scum. Then he makes the exact same statement, except that he's town. There is only one way that you can be sure that someone is town in a day one with no night zero: thats when your scum and you know who is in who's alliance.

You, too, should invest in some quality reading glasses.

Note how I said I didn't think xyzzy was scum. Where did I ever say anything about xyzzy being town?

[JDodge]

Hmm, same to you. Where did I say that I was so sure that he was scum? I said that he had a scummy post. I love how condraticting you are JDodge. So if you will, please post where I say that he was scum.

Oh, that's everything in it. Let me explain further. First he goes off about me supposidly knowing that xyzzy is scum. Then he makes the exact same statement, except that he's town. There is only one way that you can be sure that someone is town in a day one with no night zero: thats when your scum and you know who is in who's alliance.

Congratulations, you contradicted yourself with a post that was an answer to the one that contradicts it.

[JDodge]

Now, you see, this is why the townie PM should always be posted by the mod. It cheapens the game to do something like this.

Now we wait for xyzzy.

[JDodge]

Geez. I go away for five hours and come back to a whole load of bullcrap.

You're all forgetting the obvious; they're both misrepresenting each other.

[JDodge]

I'll hold my vote for now, but I suspect it'll be going to N9V...

Have I ever mentioned how much I despise the "I'll vote later but I know who I'm going to vote for" arguement?

[JDodge]

I was disappointed. Sad

There was no claim or lynch of xyzzy, which is annoying. Considering he got pretty close to a lynch, isn't it common practice claim? But he didn't do so.

Now, people are moving their votes off for no reason. Albert and N9V have said some odd things, but so far none of them have claimed to not win with the town.

Why were you disappointed?

Why is it annoying there was no claim or lynch, when both, without enough info, are bad for the town?

Are we supposed to wait for people to say "I don't win with the town" before we lynch them?

People I'd like to lynch at the moment:

~N9V~
~N9V~
~N9V~
~N9V~
~N9V~

[JDodge]

Why are you so adamantly voting and voting and voting Albert, anyways?

[JDodge]

Really? I think you and Fonz might be scumbuddies, Albert; jester doesn't make sense for Fonz at the moment. The only other reason you could want him ignored is if you're trying to protect him.

[JDodge]

It makes perfect sense, he raises no valid arguments, makes ad hominem attacks, repeatedly votes for me, unvotes me just to vote me again with little relevant information.

This spells "I want to be lynched", loud and clear.

Also, why would he go after me with preposterous, far-fetched explanations of his perceived "scummy behavior" ? He makes absolutely no sense, and alienates me more than anything, by placing me as the center of his attentionl-seeking worship.

I think you're misrepresenting him greatly.

That being said, I think that he is also misrepresenting

you

greatly.

[JDodge]

Then what ? What could possibly justify this flurry of unprecedented amount of crap from Fonzy's part ?

Yeeeeah, you two are scumbuddies. Distancing + trying to keep one from being lynched.

Unvote, vote Albert

[JDodge]

Bah, I doubted that scum would ever expose themselves so much, so I didn't vote for him, but now...

Unvote, vote Fonz

THERE. RIGHT FREAKING THERE.

You suddenly, without warning, switched from your beloved jester theory.

They are so freaking obvious.

[JDodge]

Sigh. It was a premature idea, a guess if you will. Bur now I think he just wants to appear too scummy to be scum.

More BS.

[JDodge]

IF YOU THINK HE IS A JESTER, THEN WHY, OH WHY, WOULD YOU GIVE HIM WHAT HE WANTS?

It is a waste of everyone's time if we all start voting for each other because we want them out of the game.

Furthermore, pro-town players have no valid reason to vote for someone because they want them out of the game, as they're supposed to be hunting scum. Scum have valid reason to vote for someone who they think is on to them.

Why isn't everyone voting Albert?

[JDodge]

THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

Albert, Fonz and either kabenon or N9V are scum.

[JDodge]

First I vote, then he follows my vote. Then I vote for him, he OMGUS me, and has been on my tail since.

What's the case on me again ?

Delicious waffles, of course.

[JDodge]

Alright, well, that's 3 votes on me for reasons I can't fathom.

Delicious waffles, of course.

Think intransitive verb, not noun.

[JDodge]

QUIET.

THIS IS GOING NOWHERE.

Fonz, quit misrepresenting your scumbuddy Albert.

Albert, quit misrepresenting everybody else.

Everybode else, vote for either Albert or Fonz.

Thank you.

[JDodge]

Do you two realize you've been arguing back and forth over the exact same thing, getting nowhere each time, for about 2 pages now? Scummy as hell.

[JDodge]

I like how both of them are basically ignoring the other players and going at each other. They are especially ignoring JDodge, which is odd, considering he is the one throwing the most suspicion on them.

Now you see how trying to get them focused on the game that's going on outside of their bickering is about as fun as do-it-yourself dentistry.

[JDodge]

Now you see how trying to get them focused on the game that's going on outside of their bickering is about as fun as do-it-yourself dentistry.

Stop saying them, its him. I didn't want any of that, and have TRIED to ignore him, that didn't work. Now let's get back to xyzzy.

The only thing more foolish than the non-stop fighting is denying it.

Why aren't you all voting Albert?

[JDodge]

Wow wtf...

I said a case FOR JDodge, meaning a case on ME for JDodge to accuse, not a case ON JDodge.

STOP misinterpreting. GUYS. SERIOUSLY. READ AGAIN.

It was worded poorly. I was confused myself.

[JDodge]

Mod

: Please no deadline while there is still high activity.

[JDodge]

Are you trying to get people to stop paying attention to you?

In other words, yes.

[JDodge]

I only have 1 vote more than you now than Mr.Bond has voted for me.

Also, I haven't played in an anti-town way such as you.

The town will be the judge of that, thank you.

Speaking of the town...

Why aren't you all voting Albert?

[JDodge]

He's at -1 now.

FoS: Blue Zebra

Liar.

[JDodge]

You also fail to prove anything against me...

Alright Albert, why did you not answer xyzzy's question right now?

[JDodge]

I'll ask it again: Are you trying to get people to stop paying attention to me?

Yes, I'm trying to get people to stop paying attention to you because your my scum partner..../sarcasm

You still act erratically when faced with suspicion; why are you so jumpy?

[JDodge]

The relative uselessness of this particular exchange is matched only by the one Albert had with The Fonz.

[JDodge]

My mistake, Blue Zebra. I read the thread wrong.

Albert. Claim or die.

[JDodge]

Someone please put the final vote on ABR. This is ridiculous.

NO.

Someone wait. Everyone wait.

You are all way too eager.

[JDodge]

Full-claim plz.

[JDodge]

Vote: now a ranger

Don't hammer someone because you're sick of them,

especially

before they have a chance to say something.

[JDodge]

Ok, that was a stupid move on now a ranger's part, but it's stupid no matter his alignment.

Bzzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong.

It's a stupid scum move. A pro-town would have no reason to hammer like that.

[JDodge]

Not quite, good sir.

Yes, it would be a stupid pro-town move, HOWEVER, scum have a reason to do such thing. It is a stupid move as scum because it draws attention to you.

See? Stupid for different reasons!

[JDodge]

It's a stupid scum move. A pro-town would have no reason to hammer like that.

WIFOM, what reason does scum have to prematurely hammer his Godfather?

It's called bussing.

[JDodge]

It's called bussing.

Obviously if he's scum he bused his Godfather. But the point of busing is to make you look pro-town, what's the point of doing it in a way that makes you look scummy? Eh, this is just going to be WIFOM.

I think nar is an idiot

, but that doesn't make him scum or town.

I think you may have answered your own question.

[JDodge]

Ok, but why does that make him idiot-scum and not idiot-town?

Because the likelyhood of him being idiot-scum is tons higher than the chance of idiot-town in this case.

[JDodge]

EBWOP: I forgot to say so, but my main problem with JDodge right now is the way he is attacking Now a Ranger. His argument that he must be Alberts scumbuddy is beyond ridiculous.

How cute! Someone's never heard of bussing!

Spambot is not scum, just a moron.

WhoMe is flighty and opportunistic.

Arkest is sensible.

NAR needs to die today.

If NAR isn't scum, N9V needs to die tomorrow.

If NAR is scum, Spambot needs to die tomorrow.

[JDodge]

I mean that as in Spambot is not scum unless I'm sure NAR is scum. I was writing that as I was reading things and mixed my words up a bit.

[JDodge]

No, no. It's because I think you're scum, but I'm more sure that if NAR is scum then Spambot is scum.

Look at it this way; Spambot only started going after me after I started the bandwagon on NAR after spending a good portion of yesterday going after Albert. Thusly, I think Spambot is a likely scumbuddy for NAR.

Likewise, I can't see him being scum if NAR isn't.

[JDodge]

O.K, so how do you see me as scum if NaR isn't?

I don't. I see you as less likely to be scum if NAR is then Spambot. Likewise, if NAR isn't, I see Spambot as being more likely town.

[JDodge]

Whoops, read that question wrong.

It's because Spambot being scum to me depends on NAR's alignment; you don't. You're more of a constant.

[JDodge]

Spambot is overly defensive, uses ad hominem attacks and is a general moron in the way he acts.

I would like it if you gave reasons that aren't WIFOM logic.

EVERYTHING in mafia is somewhat WIFOM.

Sorry I'm not allowed to vary my suspicion depending on others' alignment.

Spambot is scum either way. Happy?

[JDodge]

I'm not being defensive, I'm attacking you. If anything, I might be overly offensive right now.

Which tells me you have no true rational judgement whatsoever. You are blinded by your offensiveness.

What? I don't get at all what you are saying. I'm not even sure what point of mine you're trying to address, but I'll guess it's where I asked you to give a reason for why my alignment depended on somebody else's. I don't think that's out of line - you haven't added hardly any content this whole game.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Funniest thing I've seen in days. Where's your content?

Awesome. Why don't you vote for me then?

Because NAR's more scummy than you.

Obviously

.

Mod

: If you look into context a bit further, you will notice that I was using moron as a

descriptor

as opposed to an insult. A bit of hindsight tells me I should have used the word "moronic" instead when referring to such incidents. "Spambrat" was a joke.

His was an attack.

[JDodge]

Bussing means hammering your scumbuddy to make yourself look innocent right?

Yes.

[JDodge]

I think Jdodge could have removed his vote and waited in case someone hammered. He didn't, even though he said he wanted everyone to wait. It would have been safer if he wasn't sure.

Why, it's simple, NAR. I wanted him to be at -1 for info, not dead. I don't see that as much of a stretch.

However, I think N9V is really scummy out there, IMHO. I'll go look back at his posts, although he never posts real content. Only one of his posts wasn't a 1 or 2 liner in this game so far.

QFT

I am pleased with NAR's responses.

Unvote, vote ~N9V~

Now, onto Spambot's posts.

To sum up my case on JDodge right now:

1) He is being extremely defensive over me voting for him. The way he is reacting is not how I would expect a townie to react.

Now you must ask yourself this: Is it truly any different from how I normally act?

2) He's very conscious of OMGUSing me. According to him, I am definite scum and so is Ranger. I don't buy that he's this confident about knowing who two scum are. The reason he isn't moving his vote to me is really because he doesn't want to be accused of an OMGUS.

I'm not moving my vote to you because I don't think that you could be scum unless NAR is, and I'm leaning towards "NAR isn't".

3) He's using adhom and sarcasm instead of responding to my case against him. He is being extremely dismissive.

Sarcasm is a part of how I play. Deal with it.

4) I think his logic against Ranger is awful, but this one is more of an opinion that necessarily blatantly scummy. It's not scummy to disagree with me, but I think his motives for attacking Ranger are questionable.

Logic is not always the way to go. Mafia is just as much about actions as it is

reactions

, and I seem to be very good at getting reactions. That's why Lynch All Liars is a bad policy; everyone has a reason to lie.

5) He has been trying to lead the town and tell people who to vote for the entire game, rather than letting people make up their own mind. He also hasn't presented any strong cases on these people.

People are free to disagree; I just like to make my opinion well-known.

[JDodge]

If I am town, I don't see how Spambot will be considered town for sure. After all, it's not uncommon for a scum to protect a townie to look pro-town, which is possibly what Spambot could be doing, for all I know..


It looks like it is time for a re-read after I wake up tomorrow morning.

I do too agree, but I think it's far less likely that he would be scum if you aren't.

[JDodge]

I don’t like how JDodge keeps being opportunistic and changing votes once a wagon stops, like on me. Right when the wagon on me stopped, you said you were pleased with my responses, and unvoted and went after N9V, who you’ve been going after all game, even though all he’s been is suspicious with his short posts and Albert went after him.
This bothered me.

What? Can you explain that a bit further? It sounds kind of... contradictory.

You say I must be lynched today no matter what, and now you’ve changed your mind.
You also say you want me to be lynched for info, and I don’t see how my alignment has to do with N9V and Spambot’s alignments really and truly.

WILL EVERYBODY GET IT THROUGH THEIR HEADS THAT N9V'S ALIGNMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NAR. ONLY SPAMBOT'S DOES.

First this, where you seem to only want to lynch N9V, and on the same day, just later in the same day, you vote Albert when it looks like you could put a vote on him to look pro-town early on the wagon.

Liek Albert was more suspicious than N9V. I'm sorry, I didn't realize that changing my vote was suspicious.

More of a sign that maybe Jdodge didn’t want Albert to die and wanted to hear a full claim, despite all his scumminess.

Yes. How is that bad?

I meant that I thought it sounded like JDodge was willing to let Albert go despite all his scumminess if he claimed something reasonable that might be a role in the game, and I don't think any power roles would counterclaim on Day 1.

DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER.

Unvote Vote JDodge You are being unhelpful to the town. Jumping on votes (as NaR said) Make up your mind. And yes, please stop leading the town.

This is liek totally OMGUS.

You say "make up your mind"; doesn't it seem like you should be saying "He's flighty and is scum"? Because "make up your mind" sounds like you think I'm indecisive as opposed to scummy for it.

This is confusing me. You wanted to get info from him, but you didn't want him to die? Personally, if I'm willing to put somebody at -1, then I'm also going to be willing to lynch him. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have gotten a chance to claim, but this comment kind of reads like you are saying you didn't want him lynched.

As am I, however I kind of like to get some INFORMATION out of it.

What about his responses pleased you? As Ranger has pointed out, you do a huge flip-flop from when you were calling for his head a page or two ago. I'm still not seeing why you are voting for N9V, could you explain that more?

Next post.

I have no idea how you normally act. Scum tells in context are better than not, but I don't know how any of you play outside of this game. I guess it'd be helpful if somebody that does know could tell me if they think you are usually so abrasive and eager to lead the town.

It's my philosophy for both town and scum to scumhunt as much as possible, and that leads to abrasiveness and eagerness. I'm not saying it's a town-tell; I'm saying it's a null-tell.

I agree with that, except that I don't think townies should ever lie. Exaggerate, maybe, but attacking people for weak reasons is something scum will do. You aren't making a strong case against that person, and even if you get the reaction you are looking for, what you are mostly accomplishing is making yourself appear like scum.

You just need to understand in which

context

people have reason to lie. A townie would have reason to lie in a claim situation, where claiming townie is almost a guaranteed lynch. Personally, I feel a bit of bluffing here and there works well.

A pro-town player should not be afraid to die.

How does bullying people by telling them who they should be voting for leave them open to disagree? Obviously, they still can disagree, but you aren't just stating your opinion. If that were the case, you would be saying "I think we should lynch so-and-so" not "lynch so-and-so." It reads to me like you are trying to use your force of personality to drive mislynches.

Are you voting N9V? Think about that and you'll see how ridiculous that statement is.

Next up is analysis of N9V.

[JDodge]

I agree with this, except for the part a -1 gives us more info than a hammer. A -1 can give us absolutly no info at times, when a hammer gives us his allegience, and then we can work from there to determine who attacked him, who defended him, and so on.

Translation: DIE DIE DIE YAAAAAAAAAAAY HAMMER GOOD

As of now, info. Who does't say that xyzzy isn't scum? So then it would give us info and a free mafia kill.

Double negatives are scummy.

But seriously, free mafia kills are bad.

I meant that as a free mafia dead.

How are you so sure? I think N9V and xyzzy are the remaining scum.

Not neccesarily. It doesn't always lead to a claim. I didn't say we should hammer him, I just pointed it out that it can give more info than a -1 can.

Look back to the second quoted post; doesn't that essentially say we should hammer him?

Fonz, let me explain this a little better. JDodge said that if we lynch xyzzy the mafia would get a free kill. I said that there is a chance that he could be scum, so we could get a free mafia killed. But thinking on it,I didn't like JDoge's post. Unvote/Vote: JDodge

This is OMGUS.

How are you so sure he's scum? I don't think xyzzy is scum.

*snip*

First he goes off about me supposidly knowing that xyzzy is scum. Then he makes the exact same statement, except that he's town. There is only one way that you can be sure that someone is town in a day one with no night zero: thats when your scum and you know who is in who's alliance.

Two things. I said "I don't think xyzzy is scum", not "I know xyzzy isn't scum". Secondly, I never said "I think xyzzy is town", either.

Also, for who said I am a newbish player. I am not! I'm IC, or so SV says

I'M AN IC SO YOU SHOULD ALL LISTEN TO ME.

You're still kind of newbish, N9V. You have quite a bit to learn.

ONWARDS TO DAY 2. (I THINK.)

Guys, JDodge isn't the play for today. NaR or xyzzy is.

And for who said that there are three scum left, I'm leaning more towards 2 scum left, and a SK. SK's more dangerous than the mafia right now, so we need to find him/her as soon as possible. Who did the Fonz attack yesterday will be a great start to it.

And then in the next post, after I switched my vote to him...

Guys, JDodge isn't the play for today. NaR or xyzzy is.

And for who said that there are three scum left, I'm leaning more towards 2 scum left, and a SK. SK's more dangerous than the mafia right now, so we need to find him/her as soon as possible. Who did the Fonz attack yesterday will be a great start to it.

OMGUS!

So freakin OMGUS.

So, yeah, N9V needs to die today.

[JDodge]

EBWOP:

I'M AN IC SO YOU SHOULD ALL LISTEN TO ME.

You're still kind of newbish, N9V. You have quite a bit to learn.

ONWARDS TO DAY 2. (I THINK.)

Should be

Translation: I'M AN IC SO YOU SHOULD ALL LISTEN TO ME.

You're still kind of newbish, N9V. You have quite a bit to learn.

ONWARDS TO DAY 2. (I THINK.)

[JDodge]

If you look hard enough, you can get even more info out of -1, seeing as it's a pressure-filled situation.

[JDodge]

Mod

: That is a baaaad idea. They are still in the game. I don't want to be lynched by an impatient person. They should still count.

Either way, I would like to say that when the N9V-led bandwagon on me finally ends, maybe, just maybe, will you realize how stupid the reasoning behind it is.

[JDodge]

It looks I've given all I have to give. Now it's your turn to do the right thing. It'll be clearer tomorrow.

[JDodge]

It looks I've given all I have to give. Now it's your turn to do the right thing. It'll be clearer tomorrow.

What?

Face it: Either I'm going down, or N9V is. It'll all be cleared then.

All I ask if I'm lynched is that you kill N9V.

[JDodge]

It looks I've given all I have to give. Now it's your turn to do the right thing. It'll be clearer tomorrow.

What?

Face it: Either I'm going down, or N9V is. It'll all be cleared then.

All I ask if I'm lynched is that you kill N9V.

You gave up awfully fast.

I look at it this way; if you people are voting me for my

methods

, which seems to be the truth (although a terrible reason), then I can't efficiently help the town without making you all say I'm scum again.

[JDodge]

It's terrible to lynch you because you're playing in a way that makes us think you're scum? What other things are we supposed to look at, to determine if you are scum or not? That doesn't make any sense.

I don't know. Facts, maybe?

If you were town, you should be fighting against a mislynch. Mislynching is bad, and the only person that knows for sure if it's going to be a mislynch are the person being lynched and scum. If the town is about to make a mistake, it's your responsibility to try and prevent that. Instead, you've created a false dilemna (that you being town makes N9V scum) and admitted that you aren't going to try to find scum anymore.

OK then.

Spambot is town. N9V is scum. NAR was right. This was a trick to get more reactions.

Of course, every time I've tried to explain things you, you people have completely IGNORED what I had to say. I don't necessarily expect this truth to be any different this time around; you'll all probably just say "HE'S SCUM LOLZ AND VOTES". I'll explain after reactions from

this

post.

The only thing I ask is that you lynch N9V. Then, lynch him again for good measure. Don't lynch Spambot, he's town. NAR is fairly town. Xyzzy is either N9V's buddy or an SK.

I know I'm the inevitable lynch target, but I must say it was a great plan to do this.

Hell, even if I die I've caught scum.

[JDodge]

WhoMe? should be high on your scumlists as well.

[JDodge]

And if it turns out that N9V isn't scum? Doubtful, since you appear to be very scummy.

Oh, and since the lynch-number went up again:

Vote: JDodge

If N9V isn't scum than I don't know where to go, quite frankly. WhoMe? would be best in that situation.

[JDodge]

hello all.

Jdodge, don't direct the town, it makes you look really bad, even if you do eventually get to the right person. I know its a style of play thing, but it still doesn't make you look any more town. That being said, I don't like your gambit post either. I've personally never seen a town make a gambit, because as stated earlier, townies should not fear death.

So... Don't do that even if it works, your style of play doesn't make you look town, and a gambit that was not designed to avoid lynch means I fear death? Might I ask what any of this means except for the fact that you like to misrepresent people?

[JDodge]

well, townies shouldn't fear death, yet you do. Doesn't that make you not playing the optimal townie.


carrying on, I said that the style of play you are using makes you look like scum. What was hard to understand about that?

How so?

And if you admit that my playstyle makes me look scummy, where is the line between voting for playstyle, a terribly scummy reason, or voting for actions independent of playstyle?

[JDodge]

sorry for the DP, I didn't mean to submit that.

Whome? and Bluezebra are currently high on my suspect list, because after reading through this entire game (took me like, 2 hours too), I've seen incredibly little from either one of them except for a few smile and nod, one liner posts.

check out my Albert analysis post and get back to me

Eh, still think you're scummy.

[JDodge]

Hmm JDodge, do you want me to claim? I've defended myself, and yet you still beleive I'm scum. I will claim if you ask me to, and then I hope the doc will protect me, cuz I'll probably be dead by day three if not.

Now this is odd.

You claim that my "leading the town around" is scummy, and yet you ask ME if you should claim.

I believe that this is a setup so you can later say "He made me claim", and only further reinforces my suspicions.

[JDodge]

WhoMe?, why is that relevant?

Why aren't you all voting for N9V?

[JDodge]

WhoMe?, why is that relevant?

Why aren't you all voting for N9V?

They probably want to question him more before they put him at -1. Your pushing his lynch disturbs me though.

FoS: JDodge

Haven't we been through this vicious cycle before?

[JDodge]

ah i misunderstood his post. he is saying his name is perplexed priest isnt he. Ok N9V - i add my request to an explanation of your needing doc protection if you claim. Why would an unconfirmed townie need protection?

'Cause he's scum, obviously, who was trying to trick potential doctors into protecting him.

Now can we lynch him?

[JDodge]

Yes, I just made up the role name of Perplexed Preist. Fine don't protect me, I just said that because I'm now a confirmed townie, and will be killed tonight. it's a fact. And JDodge wanting to kill a claimed townie, that is awfully scummy.

LYNCH ALL PEOPLE WHO LIE ABOUT THEIR ROLES

That's good policy for all of you.

[JDodge]

JDodge is highly likely to be aligned with Albert. Albert's posts show a clear connection to JDodge, and JDodge has a blatant switch from being somewhat pro-Albert to busing the heck out of him. This combined with his other scummy behavior (attempting to lead the town, his "lynch me and N9V tomorrow gambit") lead me believe he is mafia.

PLAYSTYLE. P. L. A. Y. S. T. Y. L. E.

Circumstances change, Arkest. That's what happened with Albert. Way to chime in on that after saying almost

nothing

of note day 1.

The gambit has worked, I would imagine.

[JDodge]

I meant the town-leading part. I should have stated that clearer.

[JDodge]

Indeed.

Hate to say it, JDodge, but N9V has, in his death, pretty much proven that you're scum. You're the one who said that one of you is scum.

Interesting that you did that, N9V; were you planning on using that to prove JDodge's scumminess?

It'll probably turn out good for the town...

Vote: xyzzy

That is craplogic. Complete and utter craplogic.

[JDodge]

WhoMe? needs to be next after xyzzy. Or even before xyzzy.

[JDodge]

Yes spambot,

what is the case on me? I'd be interested in hearing it as it seems to me you are pro town and I cannot for the life of me understand why you are after me.

Let me sum it up: You follow whomever you think has the best logic as opposed to actually coming up with anything of your own.

[JDodge]

Let me sum it up: You follow whomever you think has the best logic as opposed to actually coming up with anything of your own.

I'd think you'd like that quality considering all you are doing to trying to organize bandwagon after bandwagon telling everyone who they should vote when. Put some good logic out there he's bound to follow you like a sheepdog as you seem to wish everyone would.

Except of course, when it was the Godfather at L-1. Then you tried to hit the brakes.

First of all, way to chime in days after you replace in.

Second of all, I wanted more info. How is a speedlynch good for the town?

[JDodge]

Second, You've spent 90% of the game trying to hustle people into voting for your own targets, and drive your personal bandwagon. That doesn't strike me as a massive appeal for more information.

A speed lynch is BAD for the town, which is why you constantly nudging people to vote your way ASAP smells scummy.

Yeeeeeeeeah, because votes are only useful for lynching. Riiiiiiiiight.

[JDodge]

OK.

I have decided to put the cat amongst the pigeons, as a mislynch will put us at LyLo tomorrow.

I am God, a cop

On night 1 I investigated JDodge - innocent
On Night 2 I investigated Spambot - innocent

Damnit, this even makes sense with your logic-following.

I'll give a PBPA on xyzzy sometime later today.

[JDodge]

Presently? Well, I'm probably going to do a full reread, but this whole game JDodge has been telling people what to do; perhaps it's a maneuver to not look suspicious when bad things happen.

Hello?

I'm standing here barking orders, bringing myself to the forefront of every wagon I'm on, and you say that it's a maneuver to

not

look suspicious?

What are you on currently? It seems to be quite potent.

I could see "God" as being a naive cop, actually.

[JDodge]

Presently? Well, I'm probably going to do a full reread, but this whole game JDodge has been telling people what to do; perhaps it's a maneuver to not look suspicious when bad things happen.

You are paying attention!

I want to vote for Blue Zebra again for the naive comment. I know that I'm town, and I was starting to lean towards JDodge being town, so I think there is either a big coincedence or he is confirmed. I see no compelling reason to think he is naive, and it makes me think that you want to put suspicion on the towns cop and cast doubt on his results.

You do know that naive means that investigations always come up as "innocent", correct?

[JDodge]

Eh?

[JDodge]

I really was just tired and not thinking clearly. But, since you're obviously not going to buy that, should I claim?

No.

I don't understand why you're even

offering

to claim at this point.

[JDodge]

WHY DID YOU CLAIM?

That was POINTLESS.

[JDodge]

Blue Zebra, who did you target each night?

[JDodge]

Do you think it's coincidental that both WhoMe? and Blue Zebra targeted the same people each night? I don't. Plus that whole "Lynch me, lynch me" thing is somewhat unsettling from a claimed doc.

Unvote, vote: Blue Zebra

[JDodge]

I targeted JDodge partly because he was the most experienced player going after Albert, and partly to test his alignment because if nobody died that night he must be innocent. (note: post 318) I targeted Spambot because at the time I was suspicious of JDodge and he was one of the people going after him. I don't really see how me claiming to have targeted the same people as WhoMe? makes me suspicious.

It is slightly odd that you are

both

targeting the exact same people, plus your "Lynch me! Lynch me!" attitude.

[JDodge]

I targeted JDodge partly because he was the most experienced player going after Albert, and partly to test his alignment because if nobody died that night he must be innocent. (note: post 318) I targeted Spambot because at the time I was suspicious of JDodge and he was one of the people going after him. I don't really see how me claiming to have targeted the same people as WhoMe? makes me suspicious.

It is slightly odd that you are

both

targeting the exact same people, plus your "Lynch me! Lynch me!" attitude.

Targetting the exact same people is odd, yes, but it is only odd in that it is improbable.

Why would scum prefer to say they targetted the same people as the cop over anyone else who hadn't died?

You're ignoring the true meat of my posts and picking at the seasoning.

Isn't the part I bolded kind of WIFOM?

[JDodge]

Do you think it's coincidental that both WhoMe? and Blue Zebra targeted the same people each night? I don't.

This implies that he thinks that scum would prefer to say they targetted the same people as the cop over anyone else who hadn't died. That doesn't make sense to me, and so I asked:

Why would scum prefer to say they targetted the same people as the cop over anyone else who hadn't died?

I still don't understand what the problem is.

I don't think that scum would necessarily prefer to say they targeted the same people because I

don't think WhoMe is scum at the moment

.

I think you were trying to come up with "night actions" on a whim and subconciously put down the same people WhoMe did.

[JDodge]

Quite frankly I believe that Blue Zebra and xyzzy are both scum.

I think reverse hider was used once, in Bastard Mod Mafia.

[JDodge]

Mod

: Vote count, please.

[JDodge]

Ranger and Qman aren't even playing anymore.

Eh? Yes they are.

[JDodge]

Way to speedlynch twice in 3 days, NAR!

[JDodge]

I just felt like doing it because I personally thought it was right. It is controversial, I know, but yeah.

No, no, I think you're right. I just think that, like last time, it was a bad idea.

[JDodge]

Vote: Qman

[JDodge]

In all honestly, I'm not putting as much effort into it as I have/am some other games. Mea culpa. I'm still trying to settle in, as i catch myself misremembering things in the thread that I'd never forget in a game i start-finished. As for your last question...

Mostly.

[JDodge]

Qman: why the claim?

WhoMe?, claim results please.

[JDodge]

It's okay guys, he's a townie. I mean, as a townie, why would he lie about being a townie? It's ridiculous to think that he is scum and lying about being a townie. Since that is not the case, we can safely mark him as confirmed.

(Do you see what I did there?)

Yeah! It's terrible logic, but yeah, I see what you did there!

I'd vote you for that if you weren't confirmed.

[JDodge]

It's okay guys, he's a townie. I mean, as a townie, why would he lie about being a townie? It's ridiculous to think that he is scum and lying about being a townie. Since that is not the case, we can safely mark him as confirmed.

(Do you see what I did there?)

Yeah! It's terrible logic, but yeah, I see what you did there!

I'd vote you for that if you weren't confirmed.

I do not think you see what I did there.

No, no, I do.

I just want to see if anyone

else

does.

[JDodge]

I think it's WhoMe?.

[JDodge]

Hi guys,

good news, I'm not naive. Remus shows up as scum.

vote remussaidow

of course he is going to claim I am scum and that is why I wasn't killed last night. This is just a ploy, and would mean we had started with no cop. How likely do you think this is?

Doesn't this seem a bit overly convenient and misleading to anyone else?

[JDodge]

or is it unwillingness to be wrong in a lynch or lose situation?

Truly you can't be serious? You know your own alignment. You know that WhoMe? must be lying. Therefore, WhoMe? cannot be town.

[JDodge]

Geez, am I no longer allowed to sleep?

Good Samaritan, Townie.

I'm on the fence for this one, but

unvote

if I am voting.

[JDodge]

WhoMe, if you are town, and you are lying, I will hunt you down and force you to type a well-thought out comment on why lying about having a powerrole when you are town in a lynch-or-lose situation is a bad idea.

Vote: remus

[JDodge]

Yes, that's your lynch.

[JDodge]

Considering you pretty much won the game for the town, I would say you did just fine.

[JDodge]

Killing me would've been the best idea, then.

[JDodge]

Er, wait, nevermind. I R DUM.