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In post 40, StrangerCoug wrote:I'm not in favor of this as it can easily allow the Mafia to influence the shot. The dayvig has a brain. That player should be allowed to use it.
I want dayvig to claim intent to shoot before actually shooting, and I want them to shoot today. I want them to shoot today because mafia probably wants to hang onto the dayvig in order to wait for earlier LyLo or a suicide shot while going down, and both of those are less advantageous than forcing mafia to take a shot they will have to explain. I also see no advantage lost from giving whoever you're going to shoot a chance to claim/give final thoughts if town.
In post 41, Iecerint wrote:since her having the daykill is just random and has no balance considerations, but scum need an excuse to use the daykill in a hard-to-scrutinize way
And shooting instantly is hard to scrutinize? Because I can think of a thousand things wrong with the shot if real and I'd be surprised if no one else could.
In post 72, Iecerint wrote:The dayvig should probably claim responsibility for their dayvig after they use it rather than before just in case scum can interfere with it in some way.
What do you imagine scum can do to a dayvig?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Actually, I don't want to approach that comment in a questioning, wait for you to reach the answer I already have way. I want to point something out:
Scum have two horoscopes (dayvig in scumhands, this horoscope in townhands) that award them an extra kill. They have two tries at said extra kill per day. You think that RedCoyote gave scum some day redirector power role to deal with vig power in town hands... why?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 70, Xayzeck wrote:give me a bit to decide between elyse and WP for now, since there seems to be something going on with WP
Vote: Witness Protection
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In post 77, StrangerCoug wrote:Is this directed at Iecerint or me?
Iecerint."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 83, Gemini Blind wrote:From my point of view, we are town, so if the mafia has it I want to know about it. If town has it, I don't really need to know about it, but it's not something I want to be worrying about on D3-D4 if the person who held it got killed N1 for instance.
^this is all i give a shit about + giving a person about to be shot getting a chance to claim before they die
we can do juls's thing if someone refuses to shoot before a reasonable time but I'd be surprised if that happened"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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StrangerCoug: Coug seems pretty aggressive and loudly town, shouldn't take too much explanation to get that through. Tone such as the tone thrown out in #86 is the type that I'd be pretty surprised if SC could replicate it as scum, it's the shining bright townie example of being aggressive for aggressive's sake and not giving a shit whose toes you trample on.
Xayzeck: Aside from the stream of consciousness posting which Xayzeck is already pretty talented at pulling off, I especially like the way he's approaching the wagon on him. As scum, RVS wagons can be difficult to navigate because they're so incredibly volatile and can rise or fall in a heartbeat. I feel like scumXay wouldn't want to approach that RVS wagon in the way he did (aka questioning everyone with a stance that matters) because he wouldn't want to poke that kind of beast as aggressively as he did as scum: and even if you lack that, I think questioning people on their townreads on you when you're under fire is a pretty good townread in and of itself, so.
Juls: There hasn't been much content admittedly (but in 5 pages I don't expect content to be bleeding out of all of the pages), but I like the daykill theory that she has talked about and I like the immediate out as non-dayvig. Now, I don't think being logical and making sense in a theory discussions matters at all alignment-wise but what Juls showed that no one else managed to encapsulate was effort, and that means a lot to me. It shows that she's putting effort into something that either A) fucks up plans if her buddy has the dayvig or B) makes a lot of unnecessary complications if her scumbuddy doesn't have it (aka gains her team nothing). I would like to challenge her on her "feels townie but isn't townie" comment because I'm with her on StrangerCoug feeling townie but don't understand how that suddenly translates to him not being townie.
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PeregrineV: For me, the best thing in Peregrine's ISO is his Witness Protection vote. Not only do I feel it's probably going to hit scum, but I also think it's unlikely for Peregrine to forge his own way as scum (and such an odd own way, at that). The state of the game when Peregrine was going through the game left him in a unique position to pretty easily hop on a hypoXaytown wagon
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Witness Protection: When I talked about how town Peregrine was based on timing, this is the flipside of the coin I was talking about. This was the type of vote that generally seemed like an attempt to convert the RVS Xay wagon to something serious or just continuing the momentum towards that lynch. I'm less excited about the vote since he seems to have flaked ( ).
Salamence20: Generally, whenever someone who I'd expect to at least be a presence is lacking AND their giving excuses, I check activity elsewhere. In this case, I found Salamence was generally more engaged pretty much everywhere else but here, which is strange because this game is lacking a lot of those red flags which generally cause inactivity (giant game, dense game, difficult to work with personalities), and his content is shit, to say the least. Dry said earlier that he would be picking on those who focused too heavily on theory, which is something I agree with when it follows so closely with scum motivation like this ISO seems to. #27 is a glorified prod dodge, #51 and related posts just seemed like Salamence picking on logic because it's something to post as opposed to the vote+pushes that literally everyone else made."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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a block a way from ludis park el camino parked
in her heart she hate it there, but in her mind she made it where
nothing really matters, so she hit the back seat
rosa parks never a factor when she's makin ends meet"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Gemini Blind:So I read this game recently modded by Thesp where in moderator comments he basically called STD the towniest town ever to towned, and I see why even though I'm sure that fire hasn't blazed as hard as it could have because this game is weighed down a bit by theory theory theory (which could be why Salamence is lurking maybe but that doesn't make sense considering he contributed to it), but #93 is pretty nice tonally because holy shit the conviction. And it wouldn't normally be a towntell, but that type of conviction in this type of situation (talked about in the Juls townread)? Nah. I like his brother when he posts (aka nothing transparently scummy), especially since he seems to be a bit more inclined to prod at people and cares less about theory than STD does, but needs more posts.
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Dry-Fit leans town because he has a tendency to cut through the bullshit and could happily focus on all the theory AND I like where his vote ended up, but that's one of those "based on hypothetical things" thus lean town."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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i know people will complain and shit when you sheep me for the second time today but I'll yell them off, I'll get this lynch, and he will flip scum
believe in me who believes in myself thanks to my horoscope which legitimately says "you can do anything""Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 130, Juls wrote:But when burn piggybacked it that seemed far more scummy.
What was scummy about what burn said other than it having gaps in logic?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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So, attempting to sort out Dry-Fit/SC:
In post 137, StrangerCoug wrote:In post 109, Dry-fit wrote:In post 86, StrangerCoug wrote:In post 84, Dry-fit wrote:My point would be just as valid even if this was an open game. I'm not just talking about speculation but strategizing instead of scumhunting as well.
Why would it be a scumtell to strategize? You expect the town to screw itself over? Is that what I'm supposed to be getting?
It's a scumtell because in my experience scum is more likely to talk exclusively about strategy in the early game. Why that is I'm not sure. It may be rolefising. It may be trying to look protown without taking any actual stances. In any case it's not strategizing in itself that's scummy.It's making strategizing te entirety or almost the entirety of your play.
I really do not buy this crap. Nobody's been talking exclusively about strategy, I don't smell anybody trying to rolefish, and while you admit that strategizing is not a scumtell, when we have some idea of who could have what, strategizing is quite protown. It's not unknown to break setups that way (though it's far too early for there to be evidence either way of a broken setup).
UNVOTE: Salamence20 (though I still wouldn't mind that person lynched)
VOTE: Dry-fit
Based on this post, I gather that SC's main problem with DryFit is that he seems to be railing against people who are strategizing because strategizing is vital to town and calling it a scumtell is antitown, but I think that point is pretty much completely talking past Dry-Fit's logic bolded here, which isn't even that Salamence is "strategizing exclusively", only that he's mostly done nothing but strategizing. I don't think the SC rebuttal of "he fluffed too" quite addresses this point."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 150, StrangerCoug wrote:In post 145, Dry-fit wrote:Ah so it's his fluff posting that's saved him.
How, exactly, is his fluff posting "saving" him when I still have him on my scumlist? I think you're outright misrepping me at this point.
To this, it wasn't that his fluff posting saved him from your scumlist, it was that his fluff posting saved him from being someone who exclusively talked strategy. You said there wasn't anyone who exclusively talked strategy in the post quoted above."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 148, Gemini Blind wrote:I should just be as blunt as possible.
From my point of view, you're talking about strategizing in terms of talking about the setup/roles as a scumtell.
The dayvig is a random kill that's out there that is irrelevant to anyone's role.
Discussing the dayvig kill and even outting the dayvig doesn't lead to anyone's role information, but it could lead to alignment information.
This early? Role info is bad. Alignment info is tasty.
Since the dayvig is dangling out there, of course many people would probably jump on that.
As far as "strategy" goes, you mention things like role fishing, role/setup information, etc. All we know get to know is potentially who has the dayvig, and potentially what alignment they are. I'm concerned both with how early you brought up this tactic of looking towards people who strategize and speculate in order to post fluff as well as your definition of strategery since I question whether it applies in this particular situation.
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This I don't actually understand at all. Here, you accuse Dry of regarding possessing a dayvig to be a scumtell and yet he hasn't said anything that so much as resembles that statement. So while I agree with your logic here because it's correct... I don't know why or how you've turned it into an attack on Dry."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 159, StrangerCoug wrote:I've done the best explanation I can. I pretty much have Salamence20 as useless, and the strategizing he's done is too little to make him town in my eyes.
And this is exactly what Dry is saying, only Dry also believes that he's done only strategizing instead of placing scumhunting as a priority should be another point against him."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 143, Dry-fit wrote:Nacho I think you're wrong about Elyse. Coming right out and saying you have no scumreads is most likely town
I don't get your reasoning for this. The could maybe see you calling it town because it's something that's too risky for scum to say, but taking the position on page 6 doesn't seem that risky and thus not that town, and it prevents her from having to take positions on who to lynch because she doesn't have that opinion. I also didn't really like how she called me town and yet didn't engage my scumread on Salamence (aka pick out flaws in it) to see where I was coming from which shows me she not only lacks a scumread, but lacks interest in developing a scumread as well."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 139, Juls wrote:This early, that's enough for me.
This bothers me on some level because I feel like we won't be able to see eye to eye when I'm looking for a scum lynch and you're looking for something "good enough" early game. Why isn't what Salamence is doing good enough for an early game vote? Why do you think he's town?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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It clarifies things.
In post 164, Gemini Blind wrote:When asked why strategizing is a scum tell, he says scum are most likely to talk about strategy, and hypothesizing that it may be due to rolefishing, or trying to look protown.
This seems to be your major problem with Dry's case, no? It's also the most underdeveloped case and not the reason he's voting. He's not voting Salamence because he's rolefishing. He's not voting Salamence because he's trying to look town. He's voting Salamence because Salamence is doing things other scum have done in other games he played and I think that's a perfectly reasonable reason to vote someone. I think I would agree with you if Dry opened the attack with "he's rolefishing" instead of "he's focusing too much on strategy", but here I think he just had trouble explaining why his scumtell was a scumtell and I've been in that position far too many times to scrutinize it."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I mean, in general, here's what I've seen from Dry-Fit:
In post 32, Dry-fit wrote:I'm going to make a point of stating that I will not be joining the Xayzeck wagon.
I always appreciate people who stick themselves into the limelight a little it because it's not an advantageous position to be in as scum, and I liked this post because it seemed to be designed to get people to reanalyze Xay votes and pretty much nothing else. He didn't leverage his defense of Xay into a vote somewhere else, he just... disagreed. I like that.
In post 45, Dry-fit wrote:In post 44, Iecerint wrote:You may wait for Elyse to respond I guess.
Gracious of you.
There are some players who tend to be more abrasive as town, whether it's because they feel more righteous or less nervous or whatever as town, but it bleeds out early and often. This is one of the examples of tone I look for in players like that and I'm pretty confident Dry is one of them.
In post 59, Dry-fit wrote:At first I didn't like Elyse's response but the more I think about it the more I like it. I think responding to Gemini Blind's question in a way that didn't directly say she was suspicious of Xay was an honest response.
I see this post and what I see is an more complicated thought process unfolding that scum, 20/21 times, don't think to fake early game, which is "well it's scummy on a surface level for x reason but actually is town because of y reason". it especially rings true to me because i go through these thought processes a lot when thinking about the game elsewhere, i'll sit on things and turn them over in mind and have similar reactions and the similarities are very reassuring.
On his actual point:
In post 84, Dry-fit wrote:My point would be just as valid even if this was an open game. I'm not just talking about speculation but strategizing instead of scumhunting as well.
In post 109, Dry-fit wrote:It's a scumtell because in my experience scum is more likely to talk exclusively about strategy in the early game. Why that is I'm not sure.
Gemini, this seems to be the crux of his argument as well as the piece of his argument he actually cares about. I think you're focusing too heavily on a one-off hyptohesis and missing the forest for the trees, so to speak.
In post 143, Dry-fit wrote:Nacho I think you're wrong about Elyse. Coming right out and saying you have no scumreads is most likely town
I liked this reach out to me re: defending his earlier read against someone who is lightly defending him when momentum is forming against him.
In post 154, Dry-fit wrote:Have I suddenly lost the ability to communicate?
I also really, really liked this because I felt (feel?) I have a pretty good grasp on his argument whereas other people seemed to miss little points here and there, and it felt like this was a natural buildup of frustration that never got converted into an opportunity for scum (aka you're misrepping me!), and more "I'm talking a foreign language, no one understands me" type of feeling which feels like townie frustration because the frustration is formed from lack of frustration as opposed to accumulation of pressure."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 166, Elyse wrote:It's not that I'm not interested in developing a scumread. Salamence has said he'll be away for a few days so I don't think it's scummy that he's been elsewhere on site or barely present.
He's said it on the 28th and I have no doubt his recent stretch of inactivity is legitimate, but before the 28th there was a strong pattern of posting everywhere but here even though it's not like catchup would take him that long. It's also not a matter of how long he's been around: it's a matter of how he's been spending his limited time when he's around and the answer is not good."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 169, Gemini Blind wrote:Do you not think partway down page 3 is a little early to accuse people of being scum for talking about something interesting in the set up? Do you expect people to be actively scumhunting by then?
I don't think Dry was accusing people for being scum because they talked about something interesting in the setup: I thought there were scum among people talking about the setup, which I found reasonable enough. I definitely think some people should be actively scumhunting by page 3. I don't think Dry is holding people to an unreasonable standard: maybe he's too early to be accurate, but I don't think he's too early in his attacks to be scummy, if that makes sense.
In post 169, Gemini Blind wrote:While I'm not saying he's obvscum and deserves to die, I think some of your pro-townie points given to Dry-fit in 167 are a bit of a stretch.
I agree. I think that his ISO as a whole has more town points than scum points, though.
In post 169, Gemini Blind wrote:I also think saying I think Dry-fit is scum because he said role stuff and dayvig is not a role is a bit of a strawman but I'll admit I haven't been very clear.
If you're accusing him of being scummy for telling people they can't strategize, that's addressed in rebuttal to SC.
If you're accusing him of being scummy for holding people to unreasonable standards, that's addressed above.
If it's something else entirely, I'm afraid I still don't know what you're talking about and I'm sorry for the massive levels of confusion."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 170, Salamence20 wrote:I always try to get us out of RVS. It is pro-town, regardless of my actual alignment.
My biggest problems with your play this game is that you didn't do this, not that your theory was wrong. Your talk about why your activity was low is fair enough and I will happily drop this point, but I don't think any of your posts about theory moved the game along or were meant to move the game along. You saying the dayvig should out is cool and all but not at all revolutionary.
In post 170, Salamence20 wrote:On the other side of things, I don't like Xay. All three votes of his have been bandwagons on Iec, WP, and myself, respectively. It just seems like trying to hiding behind the crowd on a mislynch.
Out of all the people on my wagon, Xay's and PV's votes are the worse. PV waits until Nacho tells him to hop on to vote, which seems as justified as Xay's reasoning. I think more pressure need to be put onto PV, Xay, or both.
Are the only scummy things you can pick up at this point are people who sheep? Why do you pick on PV over Xay when both sheeped me after I asked them to (and Xay sheeped me when I asked him to twice)?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 177, Juls wrote:I'm a little Leary of how fast salamence's wagon grew. Town don't typically come together that easily on day 1. It could be a bus sure, but the speed is troublesome for me. I've only skimmed since my last post. I have fantasy football today but will read up tomorrow.
I don't think that speed of wagon growth and accuracy of wagon are correlated in a way where you can say "wagon is happening too fast, person is town". Every time I have been lynched as scum, my wagon has been incredibly fast because I'm usually pretty successful in fighting it off otherwise: remember how quickly I was lynched in Event Card? If you're uneasy with the wagon, point to the names that you're uncomfortable with and explain why.
In post 180, Salamence20 wrote:not entirely true, asking about wether the dayvig should out or not is something.
It's not a significant enough chunk of content delivered with enough sincerity or conviction where I could declare you town or infer you town or have a tiny inkling of you being town. Everyone's created content equivalent or equal to that with the sole exception of the guy who just replaced in.
In post 180, Salamence20 wrote:Even Slayer's gambit has it's effects.
You aren't town because you're the target of the push that freed us from RVS. Yes, I suppose in some fucked up thought process it's protown that you were scummy enough to warrant a wagon this early in the game, but that doesn't make you any more town: I've seen scum get caught on page 2 and lynched by page 7 or something and their play was incredibly protown (got the town out of RVS and got the town a scum lynch pretty quickly) but it didn't make them not scum all of a sudden.
In post 180, Salamence20 wrote:You don't see anything wrong with that? You don't see any opportunity from this. Come on.
I don't freak out about early wagons, no, and the only opportunities I ever see are scum lynches. If I'm supposed to be seeing something else, please open my eyes.
In post 181, Salamence20 wrote:Also Nacho, do you not like my reads or just don't like that I'm ignorant to my wagon that hit L-2?
I don't like your reads.
Which is why I questioned you about them.
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In post 188, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't like your reads.
Which is why I questioned you about them.
Why didn't you answer?
Your last post wasn't a response to this."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 175, Nachomamma8 wrote:Are the only scummy things you can pick up at this point are people who sheep? Why do you pick on PV over Xay when both sheeped me after I asked them to (and Xay sheeped me when I asked him to twice)?
PV and Xay are both on your wagon, so when I'm asking you about people on your wagon, "I only care about people voting me" isn't a valid response."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 195, Salamence20 wrote:Then what do you want from me!?
Xay sheeped me twice. PV sheeped me once. Why did you vote PV over Xay?
In post 198, Gemini Blind wrote:Those two quotes in particular really bother me and I'm not sure why you'd go out of your way to defend him (other than the assumption that you're confident he's town).
I went out of my way to defend Dry because I felt (and still feel) the majority of the attacks on him are based on a misunderstanding and I think he looks pretty town otherwise. I doubt I would have defended him as vehemently otherwise, but I absolutely have no problems with defending the hell out of a townread if they're strong enough."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 263, ToastyToast wrote:But isn't it more beneficial to use a dayvig shot when someone has gathered enough information to make a decision? Using it day 1 is no better than a random shot tbh.
I hope this means that the dayvig shot is a joke. I believe that using the dayvig day 1 is perfectly fine accuracy-wise: most of the reason later days are more informed than earlier ones is because of the people who are killed and give the town information. Town dayvigging facilitates that: it doesn't always hit scum, sure, but it'll make a later lynch more likely to hit scum and bring the town closer to winning if done properly.
In post 263, ToastyToast wrote:yeah nacho-gemini are scum together.
Is your scumread predicated entirely on me voting your predecessor? Because if so, that's incredibly disappointing.
In post 269, ToastyToast wrote:What have you done that is worth sheeping you for?
I've used good logic and good intentions to reach where I am today. What kind of question is this?
In post 269, ToastyToast wrote:Why does this make him scum? Does town have to be revolutionary to be town?
That particular paragraph was a direct response to Salamence claiming that he moved the game forward and did a bunch of protown shit. The lack of interest and bullshit filler posts made Salamence more likely to be scum because scum are more likely to "post just to post" because their win condition requires no searching, no prodding, no nothing: it just requires not dying.
That"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 275, Xayzeck wrote:hi nacho i'm just gonna steal this top from you
content?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 280, Xayzeck wrote:In post 274, Nachomamma8 wrote:I'm pretty happy with toasty's catchup and salamence's catchup, which means intial reads weren't good.
Your response to his catchup doesn't really give me the impression you liked it really
what do you like about it in particular that has you restance your read on the slot?
I didn't like the catchup because I didn't like the points he made and the shot if true pretty much makes me want to strangle him.
I did like the catchup because it seems like ToastyTown to a T."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 345, ToastyToast wrote:In other news, I've decided to ignore Iecrint unless he explains what troubles him so much about my slot.
i think he's just lazy scum tunneling personally.
meaning it's against your win condition to ignore him!"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 349, Aronis wrote:6. Elyse - She feels town, but seems to lack direction, which can be troubling
Only real reason I've heard for other people calling Elyse being town was her lack of direction - what has she done so far that gives you a townread?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 339, Elyse wrote:You had Iecerint and PV as leaning town early on. What changed?
I don't remember really having Iecerint as leaning town at any point in the game, tbh.
Peregrine was a wagon I wanted to pursue for a little while for reaction's sake: he became a little less town when WP slot started looking town, though."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I'm also not really happy with how this day is progressing and stagnating so I'm going to do a reread and make a hard push and I hope CTD's catchup will be awesome and inspire new life as well!"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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OK, I think Peregrine is basically a bad vote because his normal scum MO is lurk and stay under the radar and he's been putting himself out there in a way that isn't his usual scumgame. I am being partially lazy with the case on him because I don't think anything valid has been brought up against him thus far (will read back after saying such a poignant statement) and so I'd rather yell at people when they show up in thread, but this wagon sucks and I'd rather get something going against scum (like Iecerint, who objectively has the worst ISO out of any player in the game)."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 239, Salamence20 wrote:Youre not someone Id expect to "LOLSHEEP" as town
It didn't seem like a serious attempt to lynch to me, and reaction pushes are something Peregrine does pretty normally.
In what universe is votehopping scummy? He's not votehopping between wagons in a way that betrays clear scum intent, so this point is bad."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 342, Elyse wrote:I'm voting you for more than gut. I haven't liked any of your posts, really.
I just read your posts and I don't really know why you're voting him other than gut tbf.
If you're voting him for gut that's cool and all but can we please vote Iecerint instead?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 292, Gemini Blind wrote:Peregrine I have no read on.
I'm sorry but how do you have a townvote on Iecerint?
There might be something incredibly large I've been reading in his posting because everytime I open his ISO I just want to string him up and be done with it, tbh"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 375, ToastyToast wrote:In post 359, Nachomamma8 wrote:WHY CAN'T OTHER PEOPLE POST AND BE ENGAGED
we're all probably waiting for something to happen. Like I check the game and the only thing legit is Elyse asking people why they have trouble townreading her...
Then let's start compromising instead of just sitting around waiting for something to happen. I have a townread on Salamence. Do you have a townread on Iecerint?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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