Mini 1599: Greatest Idea Mafia (Game Over)

[DarkLightA]

/overly firm

[DarkLightA]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[DarkLightA]

Why is only mafia mason not allowed, and not the other non-town factions?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Reminiscence

[DarkLightA]

@DarkLightA: Any particular reason for choosing Not_Mafia?

No real reason. I didn't feel Rem's discard to be good enough evidence for a vote, but that post sure was.

[DarkLightA]

Yes.

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If it's because you don't understanding my reasoning for my ditching power roles,

I actually had good reasons

as well as not liking PRs in general.

You'd better have some damn good reasons.

[DarkLightA]

@reinoe/DarkLight: Do you see scum motivation in Reminiscence? Do you think he's lying?

What's with all the questions?

Yes, I do find it highly suspicious. However, the mod's response should clear that up nicely.

[DarkLightA]

@Not_Mafia: What do you mean, "no conflict"? As in, no duplicate roles?

Rem claimed he could have picked Mafia Mason, which shouldn't be allowed. If mod confirms it's not possible, he's scum.

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@Rem, I voted you because I see no possible town motivation for not picking a PR when possible. I still don't.

Analogy:
Imagine you and 2 friends have to jump off a sinking boat and swim to an island. You look over what belongings you have:
Friend 1: "I brought food and water."
Friend 2: "I brought matches to light up a fire."
You: "I had some fishing equipment, but I chose not to bring it, because I don't like having responsibilities like that."

Seriously, I hope you're lying at this point, because if you're going through life with that attitude it's going to fuck you up royally.

[DarkLightA]

Rem, I see you're new to the site. Are you:
1) New to mafia?
2) New to online mafia?
3) An alt?
4) Migrating from another site?

[DarkLightA]

However, the mod's response should clear that up nicely.

A response from the mod should clear some things up, though.

IGMEOY.

[DarkLightA]

That's a bad analogy lol

The thing is, I actually don't think it is a bad analogy. Of the town-oriented options you had, several would provide more potential power than you—if you're telling the truth—have as VT. Wouldn't it be better with

potential

power rather than

no

power?

[DarkLightA]

Need some explanation here: what's the slip?

[DarkLightA]

Okay, Reminisence, we'll wait for a response from the mod and go from there.
@Not_Mafia, thanks for the explanation.

[DarkLightA]

Enough scum slips for now, guys. Suddenly this game has turned into a competition of who can act the most suspiciously.

[DarkLightA]

Discarded Roles

Reminiscence:

Mafia

--->Doctor<---

This right here is enough for a vote. Really it is.

And what's so wrong with that again?

Be glad you're not in more trouble than you are. Picking doctor instead of townie is really bad. Like

really

bad. The mason mafia thing might save you though, so I'd wait for that if I were you.

[DarkLightA]

If you really wanna, I "discarded" both One-Shot Governer and VT and just took the other straight up.

Governer didn't seem really useful as town.

So you're saying 1-shot governor is your alignment card? And I'll assume that 'e' in there is just a typo.

Can multiple people not get the same cards?

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It's listed how many times a card can be given on the wiki.

Can't find it. Spell it out for me.

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Ah, right.

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Just when I thought we couldn't get any more scum slips we have a scum claim on our hands. This is crazy.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ki-Gi

[DarkLightA]

What the mod said meant that if everything has been done correctly, your statement is false. However, a mistake may have been made.

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No, I was talking to you. Ki-Gi scum slipped hard.

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Why can you only be town or survivor at this point?

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And if that can't be answered:

@mod: Are you aware of any mistakes you have made regarding crossing out of roles?

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Sorry I haven't posted today, I was V/LA.

Lissa

So I didn't like Lissa's L+1 hammer thinng yesterday. Her gane knowledge from early in the day indicates she's experienced enough to know she shoyldn't have done that and she doesn't seem balls to the wall like Reinoe.

This is something I also noticed when reading through. Here are the relevant posts:

Reinoe, that was the hammer I believe.
VOTE: Ki-Gi
Just in case.

Ki-Gi is confirmed scum.
I was going to suggest we wait to hammer but Reinoe had already hammered so I figured I might as well add my vote to the pile.

To me that reads like "Guys! I don't want a lynch this early! However, just in case it hasn't happened, let me seal the deal for you!"
That's really scummy.

NotMafia

I'm thinking 64 was a slip. Maybe even more importantly, I really don't like his reaction to it. He posted really many posts, really quickly. He seemed desperate to neutralize the damage. Then, once the pressure was released, he slipped away into lurkville.

Reminisence

I find the whole situation confusing. I don't think the mod confirmed anything. The Ki-Gi situation was quite different considering that it was related to game mechanics, while the Rem situation was to do with specific role PMs. He also seems very calculated in his moves, such as his town/survivor thing.

VOTE: NotMafia

[DarkLightA]

@DarkLightA, I agree. But, if we get enough proof he's scum, we should question him.

Who are you talking about?

I agree with Not_Mafia and Mark that 309 is ugly.

[DarkLightA]

It was meant to be vague.
Let me rephrase. What do you feel about associating reads with theory/logic in general?

I'm sorry to butt in, but didn't he answer that?

I guess it depends on the theory/logic in question. If it is solid then yeah, its a good basis for a read.

[DarkLightA]

Frankly, that Reminesence questioning was awful. Rem asked a terrible question. Mark answered it well. Rem rephrased it to practically the same thing, and then attacked Mark when he couldn't answer to Rem's satisfaction.

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Where do I even start with these last 3 posts? I'm finding it very hard to peg you because some of your posts are pretty sophisticated but others such as 326 seem to come from another planet. I will try and humour you by writing a more in depth answer, but as you insist on being so waffley, I cannot promise it will be what you are looking for.

so yeah, reads come from a lot of things - gut, meta, reasoning about the setup, votecount analysis, how they act towards other players etc. The vast majority of reads are based of some sort of logic, whether it is soft e.g. X acted like this, so their motivation must be Y or hard e.g. there's 3 of us left, and me and X are masons so Z is scum. Theories I'm not too sure what you mean, do you mean like common tells? But to answer your question more than reads being associated off logic, they are

based

on logic of some sort in the first place.

Now enough derailing the thread. Answer my questions please.

This post specifically.

What about it is dodging?

[DarkLightA]

...and don't do that.

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@Not_Mafia: DarkLightA was who put Ki-Gi at L-1 (and without a warning or anything at that).

Why are you bringing this up? Do you have a problem with what I did?

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@markymark I just found it odd that awesome was sermingly accusing me of putting a confscum at L-1.

@mod: sorry, but I'll be V/LA until 31st August.

[DarkLightA]

I'm back. Sorry about the absence yesterday. Well done lynching scum though, even though it seemed a bit of a random lynch. That doesn't matter though, eh?

So, in my read-through, the only recent claims I saw were xfdagent's cop claim and Lissa's prober claim. I laughed at xfdagent's claim post:

I

know, I had to softclaim.

A

s for explanation, I softclaimed because things were going bad for me.

M

ight have been not that bad, since I didnt have Votes yet, but its only a few time before people start a wagon and I get lynched.

C

onsidering my random reads, it's been bad, especially telling Not Mafia is scum then town.

O

f course there is a reason of late for that.

P

lease, I know it's weird with me lately.

As clever as this is, I don't understand how this would prevent anti-town players from seeing this information.

Lissa claimed (and flipped) town prober. The night kill is interesting to me because it suggests to me that there are more werewolfs in play that were more afraid of Lissa's PR than xfdagent's. If cops can get results on mafia and werewolfs, this suggests that there isn't a mafia faction, as they would be more inclined to kill xfdagent.

I'm inclined to think that acfan used his 1-shot last night, which is why there was only one nightkill tonight, while there were two yesterday. That might mean that there's only one faction, werewolfs—at least that has a NK ability. I don't know if there are any roles that wouldn't have NK abilities? Alternative some protective roles could have succeeded. There's probably only one werewolf left too.

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Mark, your Reminiscence case is interesting. However, acfan was defending him so vigorously that I'm having a hard time believing that he can be scum with acfan.

Okay. Reminiscence is obvtown.

CAN WE PLEASE. MOVE ON. FROM THE REMINISCENCE ROLE SELECTION THING.

He's town. If you think he's scum, get over it. And if you try to push his lynch after this I'm going to have to assume you are scum pushing a mislynch.

Remi, NM are hard town reads.

Of course, he could be scum, but I'm not used to seeing such hard buddying. Then again, that could be the thought processes behind it, creating a WIFOM situation and all.

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Reads list, as requested, in no particular order, through strangely perfectly alphabetical:

Aronis – Appears to be attempting to seem productive by producing content that doesn’t contain much analysis of anything. But his play doesn’t scream scum either, and resembles more of a disinterest. Neutral.

Awesomeusername – Actively scumhunting and very productive. I like what I see. Town.

Marky Mark – Posts a lot of analysis and gives off the ‘confused’ vibe of not knowing orentations, but trying to find them out that you would expect in a town player. Town.

Not_Mafia – His play has been pretty good. However, the slip in 64 was still so bad that I’m inclined to read non-town. Leaning scum.

Reinoe – I’m torn on Reinoe. His play seems OK, maybe slightly less. However, what really strikes me is his claim (174), and that was something I looked at closely when I re-read. I noticed that he emphasized “One-shot governor” while ignoring the word “Town” right in front, which was quite obvious, and he must surely have noticed. Also, Bins said she used it as an alignment card right after, in the same sentence. It’s hard to think that reinoe missed all of this and didn’t realize it wasn’t “Mafia One-Shot Governor” the card was, but the town equivalent. Leaning scum.

Rem – I was of course very suspicious to begin with. And I had reason to be. I think people may be right when they say it’s so crazy play that he must be town. Then again, I can’t shake the feeling that he’s just manipulating us all and is actually just using wacky reasoning to justify the discard. Neutral.

Xfd – I see no reason to doubt the cop claim. I don’t think scum would risk taking on such a burden. His play has given me a gut scum read, but I’m thinking it’s more of a play style thing than orientation. Town.

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Yeah, Mark isn't claiming.

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I find it unsettling that xfd prioritized claiming to sharing night results.

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So Aronis missed the discussion that happened just before on NK speculation. I guess that could come from town who is over-eager to share their night action enlightenment.

@Mark, do you find my absence scummy?

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@Mark, do you find my absence scummy?

Clearly being v/la is not alignment indicative, but the fact you were V/LA for a large portion of yesterday and were v/la for a decent part of d1 too makes it hard to get a good read on you. My gut feel was that you were laying low but that probably isn't a fair point to make as you could well have had genuine rl stuff to deal with.

Yeah, I was going to say that it wasn't fair.

I was hardly V/LA day 1. The day lasted two RL days, and I posted over 20 times in that period. Unless sleeping counts as V/LA?
The day 2 inactivity was due to back-to-back RL activities, first my sister's wedding, and then a week-long holiday afterwards (I had 90 minutes of sleep that night). I can assure you that it was a site-wide V/LA (more like an internet-wide V/LA) and not because I hate this game or the players.

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Yeah, Not_Mafia, I was thinking the exact same thing just now. You beat me to it.

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Actually that makes a lot of sense. He might be sufficiently distracted by his other night action/chat to "forget", or put aside, the results from the investigation.

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Well... lissa isnt alien. But I dont even think there's aliens in here, so a no from that.

Besides, I still wonder if theres even scum, because we lynched two werewolves the past two days

Answer these questions please:

1. What, exactly, was your result? You're saying you got a result of not scum on NotMafia, and not alien on Lissa?
2. Why did you wait to share this information? Why wasn't it your first priority?
3. What makes you think there isn't more scum, and what do you then think is left for town to defeat?

And some more pressure seems helpful.
VOTE: xfdagent

[DarkLightA]

Can governors self-target?

[DarkLightA]

1. What, exactly, was your result? You're saying you got a result of not scum on NotMafia, and not alien on Lissa?
2. Why did you wait to share this information? Why wasn't it your first priority?
3. What makes you think there isn't more scum, and what do you then think is left for town to defeat?

xfd, answer those questions.

Also, I've got some new ones now:

4. You said NotMafia was not scum. What exactly do you know he isn't, and why didn't you specify this?
5. Why did you claim cop in the beginning of the day, but cop-of-all-trades now?

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Don't hammer until I get my answers.

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I think he is not town.

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This is actually what I expected. The thing is, I can actually see some town motivation for claiming cop yesterday instead. It bothers me though that he said Not_Mafia was cleared yesterday, because with a role like this, it should have been very clear that whatever action he used Night 1 did not clear Not_Mafia like he said at first.

@Everyone voting xfda right now: Do you actually think xfda is scum or is this a policy lynch? This is mostly @Aronis but I'd like the others to answer as well.

Policy.

Do you think he is town?

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I'm pretty sure the strongman isn't Aronis or reinoe due to claim shenanigans. In fact I'm heavily leaning towards DarkLight. Massclaim first, though.

We might be in MYLO.

This is a very interesting point. Maybe our best shot will be in a no lynch. Though the abundance of PRs in this game makes it a less clear-cut decision than in other games.

I'm a 1-Shot Bulletproof Townie. Being bulletproof turned out to not be that helpful after all though. Popcorn to awesomeusername.

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My cards are:
Hirsute Townie
Werewolf 1-Shot Bulletproof
Vanilla Townie

The role PM doesn't say anything about being alerted to shots. I've assumed that I'm not alerted, and also that I haven't been shot.

[DarkLightA]

Let me start off by saying I'm not the strongman, and I'm not sure who is. It's a very interesting way to analyze though, since we have so many PRs. Though I'm curious, why are you not sharing your results?

I agree with your reads on aronis and markymark. Your read of mark is great logic.

Reinoe's claim does bother me. Firstly, as I said before, look at this bit:

Some cards can only happen once.

which cards can only happen once?

Look at the list. If it's only on there once, only one person can get it.
If two people claimed to have gotten, for example, a Town Supersaint card, one is lying.

AHHHH OK. So let's say Ki-Gi discarded innocent child. That means nobody else drew Innocent child right?

Right. And I discarded (somewhat coincidentally) town compulsive childkiller, so nobody else drew that either. And since Bins used Town

One-Shot Governor

as alignment card, nobody else got that either, assuming she's telling the truth.

Nope. Bins is lying.

VOTE: Bin

...he clearly must have seen it said "Town One-Shot Governor", because he used so much effort highlighting the "One-Shot Governor" part and completely ignored the "Town" part.

The second part should be cleared up by this question:

@mod:

Would a hypothetical governor extend twilight in this game?

I've convinced myself that awesome is town. Maybe I'm completely wrong, but that's how I've read him. That leaves Reminisence... I'll have to revisit him.

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Targeted Aronis Night 1, Not_Mafia Night 2, Aronis Night 3. I pseudo-crumbed the first two by talking about them in my first post the next day. Nobody targeted any of those people on the nights I watched them, disappointingly.

Heh, I'm blind.

Reinoe, I'm not pleased that your first post in a potential MyLo is a vote. I think no lynch is probably a very viable option, as long as Marky Mark doesn't claim that would nullify that.

[DarkLightA]

V/LA until sunday.

[DarkLightA]

I'm back!

Reinoe, can you respond to the comment I made in #586?

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Awesomeusername, I was thinking about what you said about mark. For Marky to be strongman, his cards must be:
Werewolf Mason
Mafia Strongman
Werewolf alignment

I'm convinced that werewolf is the only (killing) anti-town faction. If anyone disagrees I'd like to hear why.

The thing is, if he were to point out the mafia mason thing as town, the only possible role for him to reasonably pick would be town mason. As it was very possible that other masons existed, this would be a very risky call.

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I'm still troubled by 174. It seems unbelievable that he missed the word "Town" right before what he massively highlighted, especially since his post right before that was quoting a post that also clearly included alignment in the role.

If this theory is correct, the claim was low-risk, as the only card that could be counter-claimed would be "Scum one-shot governor", and maybe if he was fakeclaiming he even had this in his cards, in which case it was a bulletproof claim, which would give massive towncred, at least it did for me.

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I crumbed my role too:

That's a bad analogy lol

T

he thing is, I actually don't think it is a bad analogy.

O

f the town-oriented options you had, several would provide more potential power than you—if you're telling the truth—have as VT.

W

ouldn't it be better with

potential

power rather than

no

power?

N

eed some explanation here: what's the slip?

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kay, Reminisence, we'll wait for a response from the mod and go from there.
@

N

ot_Mafia, thanks for the explanation.

E

nough scum slips for now, guys.

S

uddenly this game has turned into a competition of who can act the most suspiciously.

Discarded Roles

Reminiscence:

Mafia

--->Doctor<---

This right here is enough for a vote. Really it is.

And what's so wrong with that again?

B

e glad you're not in more trouble than you are.

P

icking doctor instead of townie is really bad. Like

really

bad. The mason mafia thing might save you though, so I'd wait for that if I were you.

TOWN ONE S BP

By the end of that I realized that I was taking on a greater task than I initially thought, so I ended up shortening the role name

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@DarkLight 618: If those were Marky Mark's cards, and he wanted to comment on the Mafia Mason thing while still having a town alias, I'm pretty sure he would've had to claim town [some mafia role]. He couldn't be a mason unless he drew two mason cards because he discarded one. But yes, I agree that not remarking on the Mafia Mason thing might have been wise for scum.

Yeah, looking back on it that was a completely flawed argument. The only reasons I can think of for him not pointing it out if he is strongman are:
1. He forgot about it.
2. He didn't want to commit to a fakeclaim that early in the game.

The latter is a real possibility.

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@DarkLight: Have you revisited Reminiscence yet?

Sorry, but no. I've been really busy lately and haven't had much time. I'll hopefully get to it later.

I'd certainly like to test the governor. It would have to be on whoever is least likely to be lynched, in order to not interfere with the play. That's probably awesomeusername.

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Sorry. I'm here.

You can always no-lynch tomorrow if you like.

This strikes me as odd and potentially coming from a last werewolf. If we mislynch and there are two scum left, it's game over. However, awesome seems led by the assumption that play will continue tomorrow, signifying either:
1. He knows a lynch will hit scum—he has no way of knowing.
2. He knows a mislynch won't end the game.

Nevertheless, I'm most comfortable with a no lynch today. There's a real possibility of two scum being left, and I'm not certain of anyone being town, so a limited lynch pool is helpful no matter what IMO. Also, if there is two scum left, it's easier to vote correctly in LyLo. Then all 3 town must assemble on one vote rather than all 4 in MyLo. The only reason not to no lynch would be the possibility of us lynching the strongman today and the roleblock being successful. But that's not going to happen as I'm seemingly the main suspect now. Also, if scum no-kill, that would royally fuck it up.

VOTE: No Lynch

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What are we doing tomorrow after the no lynch today and serve up a townie on a silver platter? Do we no-lynch again and again and again? This no-lynch is looking dumber as deadline approaches. I'm suspicious of everyone suggesting it.

No, we don't no-lynch again and again and again.

We're even-numbered, which is sub-optimal in case we're in MyLo. Becoming odd-numbered will eliminate a potential suspect, and make it easier for town to lynch correctly.

The push to lynch me worries me, because there must be at least one town player on my wagon. This/these players are thereby putting town at a disadvantage by wanting to lynch today rather than no-lynching.

@Rem: You are confirmed to not be on a team of two scum. This puts my mind to ease a bit, as it means that if you're scum we're not in MyLo and therefore no lynching isn't a #1 priority. I'd still like to do it though as I think we're shooting ourselves in the foot by not doing so.

[DarkLightA]

Also it is now confirmed to me that there is scum in {DarkLightA, Marky Mark}.

Where are you getting this from?

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Awesomeusername, thanks for going along with a no lynch. Frankly, I don't like how self-centered your play has been lately. You're talking a lot about you being NKed or you not being confirmed watcher overnight. You have to look at the bigger picture though. Any information, any NK, gives town more information, and a no lynch at least gives us the possibility of gathering more information. I hope you understand this.

Regarding my reads, my top town read is Marky Mark. Awesomeusername used to be obvtown to me, but his play lately has seemed a bit off. Then again, so have most other players' play. I'm afraid that too much weight is being placed on what awesome says, and in the event that awesome is scum that totally fucks us up. There is so much scummy behavior going on, and blind following. Look at reinoe; he asks for a aronis lynch over mine, and then votes me later without addressing me at all.

I understand the apathy that's going on, but I'm really

really

against the idea of sacrificing a potential advantage we get from no lynching in favor of ending the game early. I'll be happy if we don't lynch because, firstly, it means I won't be killed, which would potentially end the game if we're in MyLo, but also because it gives us more information for tomorrow.

Reinoe, regarding your plan, why the hell is someone getting to L-1 an argument for why they should be lynched?

[DarkLightA]

You not getting hammered pretty much confirms we're not in MyLo.

This sentence was also odd. You're assuming that I'm town. And yet you're on my wagon.

[DarkLightA]

Awesomeusername, do you think town is at more of an advantage by lynching or not lynching?

[DarkLightA]

This is ridiculous. If we no-lynch we'll be in the same position as we are today, except with more information. However, you're risking the game because you want the game to end faster and because of awesome's egoism.

Fuck it. If you want to end the game this way, have at it. I don't fucking understand why any town player (and there is at least one on my wagon) would want to sacrifice a superior position, and I probably never will.

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Rem had a chance to hammer before and he didn't take it. That means that he is definitely not scum in a MyLo situation, which is reassuring. It still leaves the potential of him being single-scum and just didn't want to quick hammer, and that is a scary possibility if he ends up hammering now.

[DarkLightA]

Reinoe, why exactly are you against a no lynch? Spell it out for me, and let's discuss it.

[DarkLightA]

Awesomeusername seems increasingly eager to lynch the more suspicion he gathers, which is really worrying in my eyes, especially considering the influence he's had on the game and the day.

[DarkLightA]

We get info from awesomeusername. Whether he's town or not, that's useful. It also limits the number of mislynches available, while making it easier for town to lynch correctly (3 votes required rather than 4).

As long as you're not blindly following what others are saying (and to be honest, it seems you have done so today) it won't hurt town.

[DarkLightA]

If a no lynch doesn't happen today, it'll have to happen tomorrow, assuming the game doesn't end.

[DarkLightA]

awesomeusername

[DarkLightA]

Maybe I worded myself too strongly. I just feel like aun has had a lot of influence over the day, and it's making me worried.

Why is there such a strong presumption that there's two scum? What is it based on?

What are we doing tomorrow after the no lynch today and serve up a townie on a silver platter? Do we no-lynch again and again and again? This no-lynch is looking dumber as deadline approaches. I'm suspicious of everyone suggesting it.

VOTE: DarklightA

Where exactly did this vote come from? According to yourself, you'd rather lynch aronis, but you switch to me without justification whatsoever.

[DarkLightA]

Right. So me suggesting no lynch is the reason you favor lynching me over aronis?

[DarkLightA]

Note 1: You targeting Aronis is irrelevant, you can decide for yourself who you want to target.
Note 2: There's a 50% chance you guess correctly, so it doesn't clear you fully. Also, as far as I can tell it only indicates that you are not strongman, correct?

[DarkLightA]

That's why I'm so glad we got a no lynch—it gives us this kind of information.

[DarkLightA]

That was a very scummy post. Especially the assumption of two scum.

I'd like to hear back from Marky on what other investigative results he got previous nights. He must have had several.

[DarkLightA]

VOTE: Marky Mark

[DarkLightA]

I don't know what the fuck is going on, but you've just scumslipped harder than I've ever seen.

[DarkLightA]

Wtf...

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Omg

[DarkLightA]

What the fuck just happened

[DarkLightA]

Like is the game over or what?

[DarkLightA]

God damn it. Vengeful scum isn't fair.

[DarkLightA]

Damn. Sorry guys.

[DarkLightA]

Doubt it. He's doesn't seem like the kind of player to suddenly play against his win con.

[DarkLightA]

You sure can, Rem.

[DarkLightA]

GG! I must say, despite the outcome, I think town played a very good game. The setup was heavily unbalanced, and you came close to winning. That's impressive. Losing two werewolves in a row was certainly a blow to the face for Marky and I.

Marky, well played. That slip of yours was hilarious—I literally laughed out loud when I saw you mentioned "1-shot bulletproof". You definitely didn't make the whole "two wolves" thing subtle though! Nevertheless, it worked!

I had caught scum yesterday but the town decided to stupidly no-lynch.

Can't blame town for the no lynch.

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I'm happy to release the whole QT if the other WWs agree.

I'll quote myself on the reasoning behind your kill though:

What caught my attention was Not_Mafia saying this:
"I was unable to use my night action laat night. So I can believe the ability part" in response to Lissa's RB. It shows that NM has some kind of active PR that targets someone *and gets a response* as otherwise he would be unaware of the roleblock. That must be investigative, right?

There's enough potential for him to be a seer or bloodhound that I'd like him killed off.

[DarkLightA]

My gut view of you has changed completely since you abandoned the other avatar. I don't even remember what it looked like, just that it was green and friendly.

[DarkLightA]

Werewolf QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/pdWE6xV2EEku

[DarkLightA]

Also, creds to AUN for the whole strongman angle of arguing. That was really interesting, and I hadn't even thought of the possibility. (Though I had thought of a fakeclaim!)

[DarkLightA]

Actually, looking at the card claims, DarkLight claimed he had Hirsute Townie with ~4-5% chance of being counterclaimed (I think?), which seems like an unnecessary risk if he's the strongman. Everyone else could be scum and safe from counterclaims.

This was part of why I did it, so I'm glad you noticed!

[DarkLightA]

Haha, yeah, that's the post I got that from. I see where you're coming from. I also played on it in 484 in the hopes that a cop investigation could clear me or marky from being WW.

Sorry, not hilarious. Kind of hilarious though.

Xfd's claim seriously had me confused for a very long time.