Mini 1599: Greatest Idea Mafia (Game Over)

[reinoe]

/confirm

[reinoe]

Well, that's a lot of vanilla discards.

VOTE: Reminiscence
For discarding Doc. Really the only good role for town I can see in the discards aside from IC.
And on that note FoS: Ki-Gi

Seconding all points.

VOTE: Reminiscence

[reinoe]

Is there anything wrong with me not choosing power role?

Lynch this please.

[reinoe]

@reinoe/DarkLight: Do you see scum motivation in Reminiscence? Do you think he's lying?

Yes it looks like he's lying. He got a cool "non-town" combination and so he discarded the town role. That's the way I saw it. And the "I didn't want the responsibility of a PR" is fucking bullshit if he could have been a mason. There's no reason for this Day to go past page 5.

[reinoe]

Everyone not voting for reminiscence please explain right now.

[reinoe]

Discarded Roles

Reminiscence:

Mafia

--->Doctor<---

This right here is enough for a vote. Really it is.

[reinoe]

Discarded Roles

Reminiscence:

Mafia

--->Doctor<---

This right here is enough for a vote. Really it is.

And what's so wrong with that again?

Town Doctor>Vanilla Townie

Hello people.

I ditched doctor role and mason role to get a Vanilla Townie, because I'm not particularly fond of any power role burden on me

And your explanation is complete shit because...

Mason>Vanilla townie

As I said, what's the point of choosing a mason role when it doesn't do what it's supposed to do? (Confirmed town to each other, confirmed not mafia to each other, etc)

And your explanation for discarding mason was complete shit too.

[reinoe]

Also I'm not quite sure if reinoe is not reading the thread or just cherry-picking.

You claim that there was a chance of mafia mason. I still think that argument is complete shit. DarklightA and several other players are giving you way more leeway than I think you deserve considering that you also ditched a fucking doctor.

[reinoe]

Retract my previous post, I would rather have Town withhold their alignment cards in case they can counterclaim a scum alignment card claim.

This.

I don't understand what this means.

[reinoe]

It means I agree with the point raised here.

I'm fine with that, but please clarify the point though.

in case they can counterclaim a scum alignment card claim.

Two people can't get the same card?

[reinoe]

Some cards can only happen once.

which cards can only happen once?

[reinoe]

Some cards can only happen once.

which cards can only happen once?

Look at the list. If it's only on there once, only one person can get it.
If two people claimed to have gotten, for example, a Town Supersaint card, one is lying.

AHHHH OK. So let's say Ki-Gi discarded innocent child. That means nobody else drew Innocent child right?

[reinoe]

Some cards can only happen once.

which cards can only happen once?

Look at the list. If it's only on there once, only one person can get it.
If two people claimed to have gotten, for example, a Town Supersaint card, one is lying.

AHHHH OK. So let's say Ki-Gi discarded innocent child. That means nobody else drew Innocent child right?

Right. And I discarded (somewhat coincidentally) town compulsive childkiller, so nobody else drew that either. And since Bins used Town

One-Shot Governor

as alignment card, nobody else got that either, assuming she's telling the truth.

Nope. Bins is lying.

VOTE: Bin

[reinoe]

I want a full claim of what cards you received before I sheep

Town Conspiracy Theorist
Werewolf
1-Shot Mafia Governor

[reinoe]

Okay, so Reinoe just claimed for no reason. .__.

Meh. I've done worse.

VOTE: Reminescence

[reinoe]

Reinoe why did you choose to be town?

I'm tired of getting mislynched as town.

[reinoe]

Reinoe why did you choose to be town?

I'm tired of getting mislynched as town.

I'm confused. This doesn't make sense.
You said you were tired of getting mislynched as town. And that's why you chose town?
That doesn't quite add up.
Do you mean that's why you chose Governor?

Yep. If I get mislynched I can save myself.

[reinoe]

So why not be a werewolf Govenor?

That did sound cool. But in the last variant of "____ Idea Mafia" I chose an anti-town role. Figured I'd be town this time.
link
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=58647

[reinoe]

Eight pages indeed, well well.

What am I supposed to reveal again? I'm not used to being a potential lynch candidate before my first game-related post. If someone could ask me what exactly is wanted from me that would be dandy.

Phone posting. Basically you discarded an obviously (confirm able) town role.

[reinoe]

That's because I didn't want the responsibility of being a confirmed town, and both as town and scum I enjoy the pressure of trying not to get lynched.

This post makes me want to lynch you.

[reinoe]

You're lying.

VOTE: Aronis

You're kinda new here and you probably didn't know this: OMGUS isn't scummy, but it is embarrassing to get caught doing it so shamelessly outside of RVS.

[reinoe]

I enjoy the pressure of trying not to get lynched.

I don't know if that's lynch or not because it's like 6:30 am and I've been up all night. Let's make it official and if it's not official let's make it one step closer to being official.

I hope you're enjoying the pressure of trying not to get lynched Ki-Gi...

UNVOTE: reminiscence

VOTE: Ki-Gi

[reinoe]

VOTE: reminiscence
Just because somebody else Ki-Gi obscumed themself doesn't mean your lies (yes I think you were lying) can be excused.

[reinoe]

Guys can we hurry up and lynch Reminiscence? For his story to even begin making sense we have to assume that Zaicon has fucked up this setup.

A setup Zaicon has run repeatedly.

So the the fundamental point would have to be that our mod is incompetent which doesn't seem to be the case. Not including the discarding a doctor bullshit. Not including the conf "not mafia" status of being a mason. Reminiscence is really insulting our intelligence by even trying to pull this bullshit.

Also look carefully at the 0 number of votes placed by Reminiscence over a period of two days. Look at Remi's reads list. How many "not town" roles in there? None.

[reinoe]

@reinoe, how scummy do you find Reminensce?

Oh, and this.

12) Reminiscence - Town

Reinoe, its either he's claiming now, and your trying to push us to a mislynch, or he's lying.

It happens also at Ki-Gi's read, where he said he's town. I know, obvs scum.

Leaning Scum: Reminiscence

@reminiscence: whats with that "Reminiscence = town' line? Are you aware of this? Have you been lying about this or youre trying to claim of being a town?

And @reinoe, if you did see that town line, do you believe that he's claiming?

He's lying.

Welp
At least that mod message should confirm me as either town or

survivor.

Also as much as I'm happy about having confirmed scum this early, I don't think it's not to wise to end the day this early.
Also ki-gi, what did you get in the previous role PM the you had to discard a innocent child?

Also I expected at least someone to ask me how I can be only town or

survivor

at this point.
It's kinda disappointing that nobody asked because I was eager to explain

It could be that Remi, was softing Mason Survivor/survivor of some sort, but at this point I honestly don't give a shit. His conduct is antitown and I wouldn't be surprised if he's mafia or serial killer.

[reinoe]

Okay. Reminiscence is obvtown. Like. Phoneposting so grabbing quotes and stuff is a no go. But his line of reasoning for not choosin mason makes sense if one doesn't understand the setup. it's hard to fake. I also think scum would not have developed the elaborate explanation of "Zaicon must have made a mistake!" as scum. Additionally there

were

mistakes in my role choosing PM so it doesn't seem unlikely that Zaicon made other mistakes.

Now other reads. It's hard to get any info from yesterday when Ki-Gi claimed scum. Or at least is hard for me. Right now leaning Not_Mafia scum but I don't know why so that's not any good. I read through the thread two days ago but it's all a haze at this point. I have 12 hours in an airport tomorrow tho so I will see what I can't do.

The mod has not acknowledged publicly that there were definitely mistakes made. There's no reason for a mod to hide it at this point. Also even if the mod did make mistakes, I still don't see how that means Remi's discarding of both a doctor PR and Mason role means he's town. Those are both anti-town choices.

[reinoe]

***looks around: notes that reminiscence is still somehow not yet lynched*** leaves thread.

[reinoe]

VOTE: Reminiscence

Hey Not_Mafia, I've reviewed your ISO and I saw no indication that you were/are convinced of Remi. Why aren't you voting for her him today?

[reinoe]

Vote Count 2.1

Reminiscence (2):

reinoe, Marky Mark

Not_Mafia (2):

DarkLightA, Lissa

Lissa (1):

awesomeusername

No Vote (5):

ac1983fan, Aronis, Not_Mafia, Reminiscence, xfdagentx42

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

Deadline is Saturday, August 30, at 9:00AM CST, which is in (expired on 2014-08-30 09:00:00).

I would like to point out that the mod has had ample time and opportunity to confirm if there were errors made in the roles being distributed and has not yet confirmed that there were any.

[reinoe]

@reinoe: It doesn't look like Rem is going to get speed-lynched today. I get that you're convinced he's scum, but I'm starting to wonder whether you're riding your perceived towniness and this conviction to get through today without saying much. Got any other opinions? Also, you keep using the mod's lack of confirmation that Rem is scum, but if Rem was flat-out lying, wouldn't we have seen something similar to what we saw with Ki-Gi?

1) I don't care whether Rem gets speedlynched. Lynched with 30 seconds to go is fine by me.

2) I often get tunnelvision when I'm absolutely convinced someone is scum.

3) I only have a niggling scumread on Lissa for the post hammer vote but for now, that's not worth pursuing.

4) It's no just the lack of mod confirmation: Rem's explanation for discarding both the doctor and Mason is also just plain ridiculous.

5) I just don't see the Not_Mafia "slip". Awkward wording? If we lynch people based on awkward wording I'd get lynched day 1 everygame.

[reinoe]

@aun: i'm aware. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if i'm scum, then i'm scum mason.

So then you're serial killer mason?

But what I don't understand is why would you be scum mason? You do realize the gigantic advantage a mason would have as scum right?

Spoiler:

I will very likely have sk/werewolf mason because goddamn that would be so cool

[reinoe]

@reinoe: What does that spoiler even mean?

I'm kinda drunk right now but not as drunk as earlier. When I run a theme game I'm gonna have werewolf/serial killer masons probably. That is so cool. I get hot and bothered just thinking about the idea.

[reinoe]

Sorry about the inactivity. I have no other scumreads besides Remi...

I'm not interested in a N_M or agent flip today.


Lissa, could Aronis be scum? If so explain why.

Aronis, Could Lissa be scum? If so explain why.

[reinoe]

@mod

V/la until sept 1

[reinoe]

I don't think there are any werewolves left. Two W.W. cards got discarded after all. I think the final killer is a serial killer. Serial Killer wouldn't be afraid of a cop and so would just let agent live despite his claim.

VOTE: Remi

[reinoe]

@reinoe, any scumreads besides Rem?

Thinking about it no. And I'm not happy about it.

UNVOTE: Remi

I'm going to do a re-read of the game now that I have time and see what pops up. More info in the morning.

[reinoe]

@reinoe, any scumreads besides Rem?

Thinking about it no. And I'm not happy about it.

UNVOTE: Remi

I'm going to do a re-read of the game now that I have time and see what pops up. More info in the

morning.

EVENING

Fixed.

[reinoe]

Xfd – I see no reason to doubt the cop claim. I don’t think scum would risk taking on such a burden. His play has given me a gut scum read, but I’m thinking it’s more of a play style thing than orientation. Town.

I see plenty of reason to doubt the cop claim.

xfagent...

What are your results.

[reinoe]

@mod

Do cops get results of town/not town or will they get results of mafia/not mafia?


The reason why I'm suspicious of agent's claim is that he didn't crumb it until 455 posts into the game. Now that's fine if we get over 100 pages and someone just doesn't remember...but he doesn't crumb it until day 2 is halfway over.

Also if he's cop I don't understand why scum would leave him alive. It's a little strange to me that he went V/LA in private. He hasn't updated it in his user profile otherwise there would be a little "V/LA" sign on the top right hand side of his username box.

more pending mod's answer to my question.

[reinoe]

@mod

Do cops get results of town/not town or will they get results of mafia/not mafia?

Mafia/Not Mafia. (Werewolf/Not Werewolf, Alien/Not Alien, etc for other investigative types. Bloodhounds

only

get Town/Not Town.)

OK, that means that the last scum is not of the mafia alignment. Only mafia would be afraid of a cop, or we have an outside chance of idiot mafia.

My initial speculation was right though...we have either Serial killer or another werewolf out there.

[reinoe]

Now.

1-shot Town Cop of all Trades <--- is my role.

Cards:
-Alien Vanillaiser
-Vanilla Townie
-Town CoaT

OK

OK

VOTE: xfdagentx42

[reinoe]

@Everyone voting xfda right now: Do you actually think xfda is scum or is this a policy lynch? This is mostly @Aronis but I'd like the others to answer as well.

I think he's scum because his story doesn't add up...

1) Late crumb of "I am cop" or whatever.
2) Clears Not_Mafia of being "scum".
3) Modifies his stance to "Cop Of All Whatevers", which doesn't line up with 1) or 2).
4)Not mafia is cleared of which type of "scum"?

Minor Issues that may just be confirmation bias...
5) Goes on V/LA via pm instead of public
6) Makes a nearly contentless post in 542.

[reinoe]

As to Rem, I am still waiting on a reads list - I feel we are in danger of missing the scum in plain sight but nobody seems to share my views.

Oh, I'm still suspicious of Rem, but once I got out of tunnelvision, I realized agent's play, at least today, has been a catalog of awful.

[reinoe]

1.)

4) Before I thought he was scum but I got a late Night action result telling hes not scum.

5) I was trying to shorten it, and easily describe it but you pushed me to a fullclaim

Why do you keep saying "scum" when you know there are multiple anti-town roles possible? HE'S NOT "WHAT" SCUM? He's not an alien? He's not a serial killer? He's not a werewolf? He's not a mafia?

When you clearly didn't have trouble earlier stating that Lissa is not an alien. Why's the cat got your tongue all of a sudden?

AGENT IS AT L-1...

We can lynch this now.

[reinoe]

Dude. By not scum i mean literally scum, not sk, not werewolf.


i'll probably just take a suicide lynch because its useless fullclaiming.

vote: xfd

Well the self vote is greatly appreciated.

Scum is slang for "anti-town" faction. If you investigate and alien, a werewolf, a mafia, then there's no point in saying "not scum". You would have said "not alien", or "not werewolf" or "not serial killer". You keep saying "not scum" and that's really a pointless answer if you're a cop of all trades.

[reinoe]

I'm pretty sure from xfda's answer to #3 shows that he's been using "scum" to mean "mafia" all along, which has caused a lot of confusion. For instance, he said Not_Mafia was "not scum," which we all took to mean definitely town. The town motivation for claiming cop would be to try to avoid the nightkill. If that's the reason he's being killed that's a stupid reason and you should be able to see through that.

Well if I play with agent again in the future I'll be sure to bring a ouija board and decoder ring.

[reinoe]

If I knew I couldn't target myself then I'd have chosen werewolf. What the mod says is contrary to the wiki re: x-shot governors.

My discards are out there already but I can't get them because of phone posting.

[reinoe]

Back to the drawing board...

VOTE: reminescence

[reinoe]

Targeted Aronis Night 1, Not_Mafia Night 2, Aronis Night 3. I pseudo-crumbed the first two by talking about them in my first post the next day. Nobody targeted any of those people on the nights I watched them, disappointingly.

Heh, I'm blind.

Reinoe, I'm not pleased that your first post in a potential MyLo is a vote. I think no lynch is probably a very viable option, as long as Marky Mark doesn't claim that would nullify that.

I don't agree with the forum convention of No Lynching in potential MyLo. And I will never be convinced that Rem is town.

[reinoe]

But then given the really towny post by rem I mentioned in my previous post the tunelling here is a little scummy. Lynch vs no lynch wise I would like to hear your reasoning. I am kinda sitting on the fence right now as would narrow things down a little and let awesome watch someone, but could potentially lose us the game if multiple factions involved and theyve just happened to have overlaspping kills so far.

In Mylo we can throw votes around without worry of a quicklynch.
In MyLo scum has less influence on the discussion because it's four townies (who's opinions are honest) vs two scum (who's opinions are dishonest). Furthermore since this is "____ Idea Mafia", if we "no lynch" we're just serving up a PR for the scum to kill.

[reinoe]

Red are the people who've been on every lynch. Green represents confirmed townies. Orange will be the werewolves...

Final Vote Count - Day 1

Ki-Gi (7):

Marquis, Aronis, Not_Mafia, Marky Mark, Ki-Gi, DarkLightA, reinoe

Not_Mafia (2):

awesomeusername,

Lissa

Reminiscence (1):

Bins

No Vote (3):

ac1983fan,

Reminiscence,

xfdagentx42

.

Final Vote Count - Day 2

ac1983fan (6):

Lissa,

awesomeusername,

Marky Mark, Not_Mafia,

Reminiscence,

xfdagentx42

Reminiscence (2):

reinoe, Aronis

Lissa (1):

ac1983fan

Not_Mafia (1):

DarkLightA

No Vote (0)

Final Vote Count - Day 3

xfdagentx42 (5):

Not_Mafia,

DarkLightA, Aronis, reinoe,

xfdagentx42

No Vote (3):

awesomeusername, Marky Mark, Reminiscence

I'm actually a little more disturbed by Aronis' "policy lynch" of xfd.

XF's play was not the greatest so Aronis should have been able to come up with better reasons for a lynch than "policy".

Lastly all the scum have had town discards. Ki-gi discarded Inno Child. AC discarded vanilla townie.

Granted some of our townies also had town discards, but 2 were negative utility town.
VOTE: Aronis

[reinoe]

I acted before thinking fully. As exemplified by one of my cards "Mafia 1-shot governor". I was focused more on the "one shot governor" and not on the town.

[reinoe]

Town Conspiracy Theorist
Werewolf
1-Shot Mafia Governor

Werewolf Roleblocker
Town Conspiracy Theorist
Vanilla Townie

Guize look. Confscum.

[reinoe]

@reinoe: You haven't made any comments on whether you think we should use your govern today and that's bothering me. Do you think it's worth using it? If so, who would you like to govern? Seems silly not to give you a say in your own action.

It's because I don't care.

My enthusiasm for this game has been greatly diminished since I can't govern myself. The only reason why I chose a town card is because I'm tired of being mislynched as town so I figured I'd be able to save myself. I just assumed the info in the wiki applied to this game but it doesn't.

I missed out on being a werewolf because of that misunderstanding.

For some reason Reminiscence isn't getting lynched ever despite her obvious lies and anti-town card selections. I'm going for Aronis but that's not whom I want to lynch most.

[reinoe]

@

mod

Govern: awesomeusername

[reinoe]

Reinoe could you answer my question please?

Do you think either of rem or aronis are likely to be the strongman, or do you just find them scummy in general?

I find Aronis in the "lean scum" territory. And Rem in the Definitely scum territory. In my view this means Rem is probably the strongman with Aronis maybe being the strongman.

Quite frankly I can't possibly see why being the strongman matters at all. Scum is scum and this "who is the strongman murder mystery" seems stupid to me. The scum is the strongman. They're one in the same. You find the scum you find the strongman.

[reinoe]

Hey phone posting, can someone compile a list of all the claims.

[reinoe]

If we're not lynching Rem, then I'd like to lynch one of the players who discarded vanilla townie.

That's DarklightA or Aronis. Since I have a "leans scum" read on Aronis, can we lynch himplz?

[reinoe]

@mod

For future reference, could I have governored "No Lynch"?

[reinoe]

@reinoe: You've been repeatedly ignoring my questions about DarkLight. Why are you town reading him? Is there something I should know before lynching him? I'm putting this at the top of my post so you can't miss it.

I'm null-reading him but I'd be willing to lynch because of the "vanilla townie" discard.

[reinoe]

Why is there such a strong presumption that there's two scum? What is it based on?

What are we doing tomorrow after the no lynch today and serve up a townie on a silver platter? Do we no-lynch again and again and again? This no-lynch is looking dumber as deadline approaches. I'm suspicious of everyone suggesting it.

VOTE: DarklightA

[reinoe]

Yeah, actually, I'm fine with this. We don't have anything to lose going into night… we still get two lynches. Let's do this.

@reinoe: How do you think "serving up a townie on a silver platter" decreases our chance of winning without decreasing the number of lynches we have?

How about this plan: I flip a coin between watching reinoe and Aronis tonight. Aronis flips a coin between role blocking reinoe or doing something else. This way scum might get caught killing Aronis, or I might be confirmed. Really, there's a pretty good chance that nothing will happen, but at least this way we can WIFOM scum into giving us a shot at accomplishing something.

I'm obviously getting killed tonight because there is 100% chance I'm not the strongman.

Also your plan sucks ass.

Here's my plan:

Lynch DarklightA who hit L-1 but didn't get hammered.

[reinoe]

Reinoe, regarding your plan, why the hell is someone getting to L-1 an argument for why they should be lynched?

You not getting hammered pretty much confirms we're not in MyLo. It also implies that either scum was on your wagon already or you yourself are scum. There's also an outside chance that scum wants to slow roll it. I don't like AUN's quick unvote when you were at L-1 because it weakens my points.

Obviously I think No-Lynch is bullshit at this point and A.U.N.'s plan is absolute garbage. It's a terrrible plan.

Rem should have been lynched ages ago.
A.U.N.'s plan is bad. So bad that I'm now suspicious of him.
I don't think Aronis is the person we're looking for.

If we No-Lynch today then A.U.N. should be lynched tomorrow.

Seriously A.U.N. recommended that Aronis roleblock me. That is awful. Really all kinds of awful. What action is A.U.N. trying to prevent with my roleblock? Unless there's a scenario I haven't thought up yet, I can't possibly be strongman.

Marky is the only townread I have.

Rem-I've been thinking scum all game
Darklight-lean scum.
A.U.N.-Lean scum for that terrible Roleblock idea.
Aronis-null. Don't like the vanilla townie discard but at least he's not on board with this No-Lynch shit.

[reinoe]

You not getting hammered pretty much confirms we're not in MyLo.

This sentence was also odd. You're assuming that I'm town. And yet you're on my wagon.

Yeah it is. That's what happens when you don't think before you post.

[reinoe]

But you're all too paranoid. I messed it all up and we're gonna lose because I couldn't keep it together the one time I actually even needed to keep it together. I'm sorry, guys, really.

I'm done for a few hours. This is stressing me out way more than is reasonable for a game on the internet.

Hold on a minute...

you're all to paranoid? I could understand that comment directed at Darklight or Marky Mark who are supporting No-Lynch... but A.U.N. is also strongly in favor of no-lynch unless he's not in favor of lynch but only if we're in favor of no-lynch...

Ugh. I know I've been playing a bit recklessly but that's because I think NO-LYNCH is stupid. A.U.N. is all of a sudden trying to eat his cake and have it too.

[reinoe]

Reinoe, why exactly are you against a no lynch? Spell it out for me, and let's discuss it.

A no-lynch increases the amount of influence a scum voice has.
A no-lynch guarantees that a townie gets killed. Especially if Aronis Roleblocks me.
What info are we getting in the night that we won't have right now?

[reinoe]

We get info from awesomeusername. Whether he's town or not, that's useful. It also limits the number of mislynches available, while making it easier for town to lynch correctly (3 votes required rather than 4).

As long as you're not blindly following what others are saying (and to be honest, it seems you have done so today) it won't hurt town.

Whom am I blindly following today?

[reinoe]

awesomeusername

So when a.u.n. said that we should no lynch and I voted for Aronis, and then yourself, I was blindly following A.U.N.? And when I repeatedly said A.U.N.'s plan is dumb that's blindly following?

[reinoe]

Maybe I worded myself too strongly. I just feel like aun has had a lot of influence over the day, and it's making me worried.

Why is there such a strong presumption that there's two scum? What is it based on?

What are we doing tomorrow after the no lynch today and serve up a townie on a silver platter? Do we no-lynch again and again and again? This no-lynch is looking dumber as deadline approaches.

I'm suspicious of everyone suggesting it.

VOTE: DarklightA

Where exactly did this vote come from? According to yourself, you'd rather lynch aronis, but you switch to me without justification whatsoever.

[reinoe]

Right. So me suggesting no lynch is the reason you favor lynching me over aronis?

Yep.

[reinoe]

Oh this game started, and ended.


I'm so glad we no-lynched instead of lynching Darklight.

[reinoe]

Wow, I missed out on being a werewolf for this shit? Fuck my life.

[reinoe]

But gg. If I sound bitter it's because I totally am bitter.

Not only did I have Rem nailed as a liar, I had caught scum yesterday but the town decided to stupidly no-lynch. /rant