Mini 1607 - Night in the Asylum (GAME OVER)

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Help me! I fit this theme too well!

VOTE: insanity

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Dont sheep Lynx

Is it scummy to be the second vote on a rvs wagon?

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I spy a white knight!

VOTE: Flames

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Phone posting as I'm not home right now but...

Who and insanity: totally null. Please play this game or replace out if you can't.

Sorry if you managed to lynch someone 18 hours after I last posted

Proper thoughts when I get home later today.

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I disagree that VCA is completely useless here. Ika's lynch is similar to lynching town in that mafia know that he was not of their faction and would probably have been happy to fuel a quicklynch on him.

Then again, his proposed role clam really did suck.

Current thoughts

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@vezok- the first question is fine, but why would you care if mafia can be culted? both cult and mafia-if theres mafia in the game- are both scum. why would it matter to draw distinctions between mafia and a third party?

vote Vezok

Liking

Klazam

for this. (The sentiment + Vezokscum interactions)

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Ika's mass claim idea happened in post 54.

Afterwards,

Baezu

posted:

what is making him sheep zzzz in the absence of posts? why no RVS vote? meh

This post sucks

VOTE: klazam

No, this is removing responsibilty from yourself:

Um ye ZZZX I will sheep you just place a vote

The RVS is a stupid compromise for the inability to read people like you would in face-to-face Mafia and should be as short as possible wherever possible so we can actually play the game. Like we're doing now.

So knight, do you still believe we're in RVS?

Completely ignoring that ika situation which had just happened in order to make fairly non-substantial comments. Leaning scum.

VOTE: Baezu

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I am definitely wary of the way Flames (81 ) and Lynx ( 89 ) jumped onto the ika wagon. Nullish for now as I am often paranoid of people who blatantly sheep but will be watching what else they do in the future.

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I am conflicted on

Gameplay

.

On one hand, I kinda liked posts such as (below) as gameplay did seem to be genuinely trying to suss out ika's alignment.

I also want a day 1 mass rolecall

I think lee should start

You are either town retarded or scum retarded. Both ways you are retarded. Now why do you think outing every single role in the game on day one would benefit town more compared to scum?
If it's some genius plan that scum will cc you are wrong. They can just claim VT and be over with it.

At the same time, it was odd how gameplay defended ika as a VI but then followed up with posts like this 97 which felt like he was trying to passively encourage a hammer regardless.

And also:

For now Lynx is town

@Gameplay

, why is Lynx town?
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Sorry for your loss Mr Ree.

UNVOTE:

Completely ignoring that ika situation which had just happened in order to make fairly non-substantial comments. Leaning scum.

Ika was cult alone. Thus ignoring the ika situation doesn't make him scum. And also he kinda soft claimed a few posts ago you can go, read his post and unvote him.

The point is that if something unusual happens, it would be more of a scum/mafia thing to avoid commenting about it. So that they don't say anything contentious which might make them look scummy.

I am definitely wary of the way Flames (81 ) and Lynx ( 89 ) jumped onto the ika wagon. Nullish for now as I am often paranoid of people who blatantly sheep but will be watching what else they do in the future.

You could say it's a sheep, but not really. I voted him because I thought massclaim was a bad idea as well. Everyone else had already pointed that out so there was no need to explain why it was a bad idea like everyone else had.

Did you have any concerns about how fast the wagon had built up?

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VOTE: Flames

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Flames, your vote looked super opportunistic.

And, I don't like your posts, which are filled with "Agreed" "Good point" fluff.

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^Do you have any thoughts about the actual game?

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@Mod, Klazam voted for Flames in 166

Not yet honestly

I didnt even get to play d1.../

So? I didn't either...

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Knight of Cydonia, do you think that those posts make gameplay scum?

Anyway, to be more serious, I know I haven't contributed much to this game. I'm not that into it right now. As for the vote on ika, how was it super opportunistic? I have tried before (as town) just reiterating what others have said when voting someone but that always comes on as being scummy, so I didn't just say what others said before me.

It's the way you hopped onto the biggest (and very fast growing) wagon without adding any original thoughts at all.

Ok.ok. So flames and knight are both mafia. Gg

^ I'm starting to lean towards this too.

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@Mod, I will be V/LA until September 12

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Oh yeah and gameplay, why are you so sure that Lynx is town?

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Flames, if you're not scum, who is?

Because all you appear to be doing is fluffing around and defending yourself.

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Phone posting.

So what I didn't like about knights was how he was constantly talking about gameplay being bad but never calling him out as scum.

Feels like we're not getting anywhere.

Vote: Flames682

Pressuring is fun!

That distancing from the wagon. Makes me uncomfortable.

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*in regards to knights, I'm looking forward and to seeing what reads bins posts.

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Who do you think is scum, Lynx?

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Who, I've had similar concerns about gameplay earlier and he responded with this:

I don't hide that I encouraged the wagon. Such a fast and early developed wagon out of RVS is guaranteed to have scum on it.

It felt town to me.

I am back

let me

check this game

come up with a massive post filled with thoughts and reads

2moro since I am a little busy today

ftfy

Bins post is okay, but very little original thoughts.

Yo, 4 days until deadline everyone!

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I promise a full analysis very soon.

At this stage, I don't even want a full analysis. Just a list of who you think is scum/town (that isn't 'We're not getting anywhere so wagon!' would be great. --> This goes for Flames and ZZZX too!

It isnt just that he lurks. When he posts he basically doesnt contribute at all

I can kind of understand how missing practically all of Day 1 could make someone have a slow start into reading this game. So, I'm reluctant to lynch ZZZX until we see some effort to post something meaningful, low hanging fruit and all.

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gameplay506 - Seems inconsistent early on, and his desire to claim being vanillized puts him in the spotlight (which is good if we trust him or bad if we don't). Starts off anti-town, and in my eyes seems to be trying to appease the crowd.

So, what do you think of gameplay now?

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Why guaranteed?

I agree with you that vezok probably wasn't the only scum on the wagon but why so certain that there were exactly 2 there?

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Scum:
Lynx
gameplay
Klazam

Oh yeah ZZZX is also on the scum list and is also the person who I'm scumreading most right now.

VOTE: ZZZX

I don't believe you at all. The person you are scumreading most is the person you forgot to include on your reads list? Who also conveniently happens to be the only person, other than yourself who is starting to get traction for a wagon? Yeah...just no.

p-edit: I think the first part is what Lynx is getting at too.


I'm against lynching ZZZX today. That would just be policy and we can do so much better (like voting Flames)

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Flames posts his reads.

Scum:
Lynx
gameplay
Klazam

Responds to a ZZZX post in the meantime.

anyway I cant really post my notes atm since I am too sleepy to post meaningful stuff etc.

so yea preper 4 2moro

This is pretty much your last 3 posts worded differently.

ZZZX, give us something to work with.

Vote: ZZZX

Doesn't remember that ZZZX is his 'top scumread' until right after Lynx puts a vote on him.

Oh yeah ZZZX is also on the scum list and is also the person who I'm scumreading most right now.

VOTE: ZZZX

insanity you've been wanting to lynch me since page 1 and something is definitely off about that

Try harder to discredit me please?

Why is Klazam a scum read? How did you progress from constantly agreeing with gameplay to reading gameplay as scum?

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I'm providing context on what happened between your reads post and your vote.

You didn't remember your scumread of him when commenting on his post. You suddenly listed ZZZX as your top scumread

after Lynx had moved his vote there

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Baezu is just sheeping this game

*cough* pot, meet kettle*cough*

Effort or just being plain lazy isnt scum indicative. BB

Why does this apply only to you and not to ZZZX?

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Shes been pushing my lynch since page 1 as an easy lynch

Semi-RVS

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gameplay506's #97 is scumtastic.

gameplay506's #101 and #105 together along with the above is awful. The fact that he wasn't even on the wagon only makes this worse.

I did agree that this was odd.

What do you think of gameplay's explanation?

I don't hide that I encouraged the wagon. Such a fast and early developed wagon out of RVS is guaranteed to have scum on it.

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(what does everyone else think?)

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Well, I'm definitely thinking that Lynx is the best lynch today.

VOTE: Lynx

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His posts at the end of the day are sitting terribly with me. I'll see if I can put it into words better tomorrow when I've had more than 4 hours of sleep.

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There are several things I want to draw attention to. Lynx's behaviour around the Flames wagon was definitely scummy.

Firstly, posts 299, 304, 322 all help to encourage the Flames wagon. Where is he voting though? A 'pressure' vote on ZZZX.

Most importantly, Lynx does switch to Flames briefly but this is the post where Lynx unvotes.

Well, gotta say you're both putting in effort; and at this point I'm okay with that.

Next in line!!!

Vote: ZZZX

Failed to post since the 6th. Come on, now.

The bolded is obviously just a convenient excuse for scum to jump off a wagon and therefore be dissociated from a wagon they know to be on town. In between when Lynx switched his vote onto Flames (330), these are the posts that Flames made:

Baezu is just sheeping this game

It's funny how I'm the one getting all the attention but Baezu is now doing the same thing that I was doing and agreeing with a bunch of posts. Look at his ISO

Hardly examples of super obvtown effort!

Thus, Lynx was just making up any bullshit reason to justify changing his vote.

I also want to say that Lynx's 'pressure' votes, such as those on ZZZX do little to actually scumhunt or pressure someone. What is the point of a 'pressure' vote if you tell that person it is only made for pressure? Why would you constantly remind everyone else that your votes are purely for 'pressure'? (287) Placing 'pressure' votes allows Lynx to avoid taking responsibility for his votes and avoid pissing off the person he is voting.

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Gameplay, I'm not sure if we should rely so heavily upon flavour to determine SK/vig. Also, why are you so keen for a mass claim?

I'm on phone now so I can't go find it but will do so once I have a chance

Please do.

You promised to explain why I should die. I'm waiting.

Feeling nervous? I understand, it must be so stressful being caught scum.

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In your last paragraph you're saying pressure votes do nothing. Did my vote and criticism on Flames not getting to say something; if anything?

Why are you against me wanting to draw out activity from other players? I can't just say; "X is lurking / therefore scummy", because that'll get us nowhere. Once players see that another is willing to vote them (getting them 1 step closer to lynch), I feel it'll incite some reaction.

Compare the pair.

Person A: Flames is lurking scum. Vote: Flames

Person B: Flames, you should post more. I love pressuring! Vote: Flames

Which one sounds like Lynx?

Spoiler: hint hint

Feels like we're not getting anywhere.

Vote: Flames682

Pressuring is fun!

I'm already pressure voting, by the way. <3

Then you're going to hate me, Flames, because I love pressure votes.

ZZZX, give us something to work with.

Vote: ZZZX

Are you *really* asking that? Please make sure you really want to ask me that.

If you are, then I now doubt your usefulness as a town.

Here's a hint: Try reading some posts in the game.

Person B!!! You guessed it!

Again. I applaud that; it was beautiful. But no. And the fact that you've ignored others who are... *gameplay506*... saddens me.

Says the person who

isn't

voting gameplay, hasn't expressed any interest in doing so and hasn't even claimed to scumread gameplay today.

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Yeah not sitting right with me. Why is baezu so eager to clear me? Saying its the result of a crumb, then now its because i was voting a scum that went down? This behavior coming from a claimed vt perplexes me.i dont see scum motivation there though, unless its to tie me with baezu, so when he gets lynched i go down? I dont see that legit happening though.

Regarding lynx, im trying to decide if hes a troll/badplayer or legit scum. Leaning badplayer atm.

To be fair, that post was the reason I found you towny early as well. But going as far to say 'conf-town' was kinda weird. At first, I did think she may have been scum intending to fakeclaim Cop but she didn't?

You should definitely vote Lynx btw.

@Gameplay, what about Klazam's post bothered you?

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Believing your claim = believing you are a rolestopper.

But rolestoppers can have varying alignments...

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Me, badplayer? *Shakes head*. Anyone else buying what insanity is selling?

^Obsession with perception from others

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Lynx is probably town. I suggest you unvote. Instead vote one of Baezu, Klazam or Bins.
Also guys I think Baezu is lying. Look at Flames'ses diagnosis and so. He doesn't have one and he is a VT.

I disagree.

So? Ankamius didn't have a diagnosis either and he wasn't a VT.

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We should definitely be lynching Lynx first.

I am willing to consider whether gameplay would make sense as Lynx's partner.

Gameplay, please cut the flavour speculation and rolefishing.

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Are you trying to derail the Lynx wagon cuz he's your partner?

Why did you move your vote then?

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Lynx, you are far from confirmed town. Bins isn't confirmed either. I am not voting you because of your playstyle but because you are scum. And since I'm now apparently the only person who wants to lynch you, why are you so anxious about one vote?

But your attempt to 'conf-town' one of the people who is indecisive about you has been noted.

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Im the only one who thinks youre town, so...

So do I!

The way gameplay replaced out makes me feel more confident about that read actually.

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I am positive that Lynx is scum.

@Mod, can we please get a prod on Aronis?

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... gameplay claimed vanilla~rized, meaning VT. You claim not VT.

Yeah because Vanillad Rolestopper isn't the same as a VT. They're functionally the same, yes, but the claims have very different meanings.

^I agree with this.

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I'd probably be more worried if Sleepy

had

claimed VT, considering Lynx's post just before

Thats stupid, Klaz. He'll obviously claim VT like gamelay did...

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Well, I don't think you caught SK in a lie. Gameplay claimed to be a (vanillerised) rolestopper, not a VT. So I would be more concerned if SK had seen Lynx say 'gameplay claimed VT' and then try to claim VT, because that

would

be a lie. And SK definitely saw Lynx's post because he quoted it.

But, trust me, I think your Lynx read is wrong.

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I will catch-up though, but my time is spread slightly at the moment. Anyone be so kind as to point out the highlights?

Free town points if you actually read the thread and post something remotely meaningful (unlike your predecessors)

- We quicklynched the cult leader on Day 1
- Gameplay/SK claimed to be a rolestopper who got vanillerised on Night 1
- The Night 1 vezok kill is unaccounted for
- Baezu and who have claimed VT

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Huh. Right...

So that would mean there is no vig/serial killer after all?

*confused*

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ProHawk seems town for now? Still thinking about some of the things you said.

I'm not even going to respond to 646.

Please either understand the context in which that statement was used or don't mention it, please. Thanks.

>_> Responds anyway.

Seems like you're pretending not to care about what people think when in actuality, you do.

I know the context. Insanity is way more deserving of the leader role than me, I don't know why you were trying to shut her down.

@Everyone, how many scum would you guess are left?

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Look.

I mean, statistically Lynx wouldn't be a BAD lynch if we were solely hunting from this wagon, but my gut tells me no with

the amount of antagonizing he is doing to people pushing him

. Which leaves you and Klazam.

In response to this, I thought Lynx was trying to be really placating at first.

While I will admit that you've

done a great job

of trying to make me look bad and breaking down my actions, you've just shown yourself to be quite...

misguided

.

Again. I applaud that; it was beautiful

. But no. And the fact that you've ignored others who are... *gameplay506*... saddens me.

Baezu - How am I not reading?

gameplay - I'm not trying to scumhunt?

Surprisingly the only person really doing that is insanity018

, even if she's stretching her reasoning as much as possible. You're the one I'm weary of, regardless. You've made hasty claims, change your stance on people repeatedly, and can't even act like an adult. And yet you feel like you can insult me and my plays? You've done the most posting this game, and its a lot of noise, really.

Fmpov, Lynx started getting antagonistic when that wasn't working.

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Fmpov, Lynx started getting antagonistic when that wasn't

working

changing my read of him.

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I've found that quite a lot of Who's posts feel townish but his lack of presence throughout the game worries me.

Baezu's last couple of posts make me uncomfortable.

I actually think tunneling isn't scummy, it's town.

Could you elaborate here?

Who's play makes me feel dirty.

This is literally what I mean.

It's a yuck feeling, and it sucks to be tunnelled when you're town, but it's usually done by town. It's just what I believe, I honestly don't think scum tunnels.

Did you mean to quote ProHawk 693 here? Because that seems to contradict what you're saying.

//sidenote - does your avatar come from somewhere? I keep thinking it looks familiar.

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^ What do you hope to achieve by this question?

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Ah okay

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Hopefully, he meant my morning! (ie now)

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UNVOTE: for now. No quick lynching please?

I have a guilty result on LynxKuroneko.

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With that in mind, some stuff that stood out to me -

That is one of the reasons why I thought gameplay's replace out was more likely to be town. Although I could imagine scum distancing themselves by insulting each other, it didn't make sense that they would also try to replace out/get the other to replace out because of it.

I don't really like how Baezu seems to keep fishing to vote elsewhere. 517-518 and recent postings.

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Mostly so that if anyone has anything else to add before the day ends, they can say it.

(Otherwise if one more person voted Lynx --> Lynx could self-hammer)

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^ reason for unvote

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Bins comes in and goes after lynx. Posts seem pretty town to me

Where?

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^Since you haven't said you were scumreading who, why?

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@Baezu, so what happened to your suspicions of Klazam?

...Intent to re-vote Lynx soon...

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VOTE: Lynx

L-1

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I don't have anything for last night.

Reread, I don't see how Lynx's flip changes anything.

VOTE: SKrew

Spoiler: Ummm

....

That is one of the reasons why I thought gameplay's replace out was more likely to be town. Although I could imagine scum distancing themselves by insulting each other, it didn't make sense that they would also try to replace out/get the other to replace out because of it.

@Mod - Request replacement for gameplay506. If that is not possible, replace me.

Lynx actually you know what?

Mod replace me

Be happy now. I am leaving you destroying this town. Also I am sick of this. Who telling me that my ass was near my head or smth. Was fuckin awful. Yet not problem there. K fine.

@Baezu, did you see what ProHawk flipped?

Right now, I find it bizarre that you claim to be okay with yourself and then Who becoming lynched since you also think that I might have been bussing?

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I'm even-night

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How about Who, Klazam, then GIF?

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Yeah someone besides Baezu is gonna need to explain to me why we shouldn't lynch Baezu.

Even Baezu is saying that we should lynch her

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Even night bloodhound (investigates "town" / "not town")

1 shot watcher,

Watched KoC-Bins-GiF slot n1, no result.

So you got blocked by someone?

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Yeah I am
Darn

^Nice

Yeah, I want to lynch Baezu too.

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So the setup is

- 9 town (IC, rolestopper, PGO, bloodhound, macho, 1-shot watcher,

1-shot lightning rod

, 2 VTs)
Vs
- 3 mafia (Goon, non-consecutive vaniliser, ???)
Vs
- Cult leader

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Nice reaction-test-thing

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I got the same impression as klazam about baezu's "go ahead and lynch me"

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Man! who's ISO is pretty squeaky clean. I can't find much un-towny about it particularly. He sows some wifom in 123, 125, and 167 but that's about it. I just find everyone else so much more townie that in my mind, who HAS to be scum by PoE. I also know that he's a really good player so it's not that surprising that his ISO would be so good if he was scum

I don't see any wifom?

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I see Who posting everywhere except here

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man i hate this- you're saying "well i can't find anything about who, but he's scum" and you're willing to straight up 1v1 who. like, wut.

What's so wrong with that?

its just not pinging right

Its a total opposite for me actually.
Why would scum go 1v1 for PoE when he cant find anything from the other?

So that we think "Nah, scum would never volunteer themselves to get lynched. She must be town."?

For me, it was also weird how at the same time, she still thought I might be bussing (797) or that SleepyKrew could be the last scum (813)

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Idk. It felt a bit over the top as opposed to genuine.

p-edit: Hmm okay.

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GIF, why did you still vote for Baezu and then want to hammer her before then? (Even though this was after Baezu's 1 vs 1 suggestion)

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Could GIF be the last scum?!

Why?

Dammit, posted in the wrong order, meant to say this first:

Prod dodge. Will post tonight.

Bet your life on it.
If you don't I will literally tunnel you and flood this thread with machinegun posts until you are lynched or enough people replace out and the playerlist gets filled with people who want to lynch you
*insert maniacal laugh here*

Ok, now I'm really tempted to not post and just say "bring it".

You didn't post much anyway...

Why do you think scum would request for another scum to be force replaced?

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I don't agree with that in this context Who.

Also, if you think Baezu's ate doesn't feel like your experience with town her, why are you leaning back towards SleepyKrew?

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Who,

Also, if you think Baezu's ate doesn't feel like your experience with town her, why are you leaning back towards SleepyKrew?

@SleepyKrew - The role mechanics of the scum faction (i.e. whether they can both use an ability and kill in the same night) are not public knowledge. You should consider all known (and unknown, since this is a bastard game) variants possible.

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What is it?

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Umm. What gave you that idea?

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Sorry, I'm tired and will be here tomorrow.

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I'm still thinking Baezu.

VOTE: Baezu

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With how wishy washy Baezu's been throughout the game, I found her sudden ' I'm so confident that Who is scum I don't mind if you lynch me first' sounding fake.

Im dying to post the other reasons but im holding onto it as best as I could until who makes his posts.

Is it time for this yet?

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Baezu, is that likely to change your read of him?

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How do you know there's only one scum left? Scumslip!

>.> nothing's going on, i am still okay with baezu lynch. Can we do that so we can move on and have new content?

idk man this seems like "can we get this mislynch over with already"
I'm probably still going to vote Baezu but I'd like other people to chime in on this.

PEDIT: no ur lie

*shrug* I could see it coming from town as well.

I found his rushing at the very end of yesterday to be weirder tbh.

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Who, why did you townread gameplay here?

Congrats on being a townie.
UNVOTE:

Lynx, are you an extremely scummy scumfuck or just a scumfuck?

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Who, why did you townread gameplay here?

Congrats on being a townie.
UNVOTE:

Lynx, are you an extremely scummy scumfuck or just a scumfuck?

I didn't. That was me temporarily trying insanity as a strategy. It didn't work.

?

What did you think of Klazam's impatient post asking to generate more content, who? Derptown or scum slip?

Well, what do

you

think?

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I think he's being impatient. Not sure why he's given up. We still have 4 days to find the last scum so let's find them

What gave you the impression he had given up? (Since he thinks you are scum)

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Cuz I'm pretty sure you've called everyone scum

She has.

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Woot! Great job with the PRs, town <3

GG everyone!

Thanks to Rob for modding

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I didn't out bloodhound results straight away because I wanted to get interactions/reactions.

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Is it bad to admit that I missed the slip part?

It's okay? I looked at it and said that it might still be town.