Mini 1611: Wet Fever Dream Mafia. Ended.

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Unvote

Posting tonight or tomorrow.

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First of all,

Wet Fever Dream Mafia

ew.

Second of all,

I wrote this big ass post supporting random. But looking back at it I'm not as confident. Basically it should just be Russian Roulette and bomb the person who gets picked, I'm not a fan of even eliminating the IC's town reads; honestly that's just going to make it easier to lynch the jester. But maybe we don't even care about the jester getting lynched. Yeah, the mafia get a night kill but hopefully we've got some PR power that will counter it. Even if not, we're just playing mafia normally.

There's nothing guaranteeing bins isn't the jester just because a day and a half went by and no one went onto, I don't think the mafia are going to make it obvious.

If we're rolling the dice, we should probably get to stepping, otherwise we should put it away. Talking about it for 5 more pages is unlikely to be productive, forgive me for taking a bite at the apple in this post. If we're not going to do random, I suggest tabling jester talk and playing to hunt scum, not trying to second guess who the jester is. Spending too much time back and forth is more likely to stall the game than to actually prevent the jester from being lynched.

I don't really have any solid reads at this point, I did a cursory skim when I inquired about the replacement, but I really need to interact with people to get a feel for their alignment. The jester stuff kind of pollutes the air anyway. I've never played with a jester before to my knowledge. I'll look back and vote if anything jumps out at me. As far as massclaiming I'm generally not a fan of revealing lots of roles D1, though it's been a while since I've played in a game quite so roletastic.

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Is neighbor just the daytalk version of mason?

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Kids today and their new fangled roles.

I'm second guessing myself. A lot of players haven't posted much in the way of content in favor of the jester discussion. It's hard to sift through that and determine alignment. Like the majority of Who's and DarklightA's posts spend a lot of time on game theory or just the jester in general.

jon should not even consider his own lynch, neither should we.

KA and AK are neighbors, I'm guessing. Explains why AK doesn't care so much if he dies and KA's constant "we're not even going to discuss AK" posts.

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Is it possible for a neighbor to also be the jester?

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Personally I think neighbor lynch is the way to go. Neighbor doesn't guarantee no scum as well, and the chance of them lying about a neighbor claim and being a scum member and a jester seems really low.

Too many things could go wrong with a random lynch.

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No, excluding "town-reads" from the pool is bad because A) there's no guarantee the read is good, and B) it makes it a lot easier to lynch the jester. In my opinion, if we elect random, we have to forget we're playing mafia, otherwise it's too possible to maneuver the lynch onto the jester. It's a crapshoot and it's dangerous.

Killing a neighbor is essentially sacrificing a townie to prevent the killing of a power role.

I think AK might be town, I'm less sold on KA but I'd need to look back at both with the neighbor claim in mind.

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I'll post something better tomorrow.

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I can't really think in this environment. I want it to be D2 so we can play mafia, not WIFOM jester games. It's interesting but it's making it hard to be confident in my reads, and it monopolizes discussion so I'm not really sure what to think of players like ika, DarkLightA, Elmo, and Who.

I want to lynch a neighbor over random but I'm not sure yet which one is more likely to be scum, though honestly I'm leaning town on both (the whole "let's lynch us" play is pretty ballsy for scum to do). Since the deadline is soon I'm going to look back at the thread and try and get a better handle on this game tonight, but between the two neighbors I don't know which is a better choice to lynch.

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That's not true at all.

The problem is that it's a gamble, it's not an optimal strategy. The utility is great if we get scum, poor if we get the jester or specific PRs instead, so there's no incentive to blindly follow a strat that could hurt us overall. If you want to take the risk, cool; it is possible that it is worth the risk, maybe it's not, but don't trumpet it around like town are playing sub-optimally for wanting to clear out a near-confirmed non-jester D1.

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Half an hour later and I've still pretty much got nothing except the desire to call STD Wolfyface.

woof!

<3

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VOTE: AK

I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other, I think we're lynching town no matter what with the neighbors, but in all honesty it'll be easier to find scum when the jester is kaput.

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If either are scum, they've basically secured a 50% chance of them getting lynched, which is a bit dangerous. From what it looks like, KA did work to get the town on board while AK spent a lot of time trying to get himself lynched. I don't think either are scum, though I think AK is more likely just because the self vote begs to be tested and I think that KA's effort is more dangerous if he were scum.

Do you have reasons for thinking KA is more likely to be scum?

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Why do you find the neighbor claim to be suspect? I was about to repeat the points already made and you still think AK is possibly jester?

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I prefer AK but I'll go with the majority...11 hours left.

VOTE: KA

Anatole Kuragin (3): Cho, Who, Honey bee
KingdomAces (5): DarkLightA, Elmo TeH AzN, T S O, Anatole Kuragin, Save The Dragons

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I'm a little wary of honeybee...if scum just flat out ignored the jester, they would have a hard time getting the jester lynched. HoneyBee and KA were people on aceofspades for a lot of the day. It's hard to tell if scum would be so blatant though.

DarkLightA bothered me yesterday, I'm eager to see what he says today.

AK is confirmed neighbor but not confirm town. I'm leaning town for now but I don't want to lose sight of that.

I'm not opposed to wagoning Elmo but is there anything specific about his play that bothered you guys?

ika, jester's dead, we get it, you have a silly role. Care to say anything else about this game?

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Any good reason you hate 563 or are you just trying another stupid gambit?

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the case is that I called that shit now vote him

No. I'm old school I don't swing that way.

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Ah. Well if we're just going to the RVS, then VOTE: DarkLightA. I mean, that's what we're doing, right? Your reasoning is "I hate your post. Not going to say way. I just hate it." And your reasoning is "I'm scumreading ZazieR. Not going to say why, I just am."

I would not be surprised if DarkLightA's scum but I don't really have anything better than the fact he spent a lot of time calculating jester plan. I think that's a great front for scum but obviously not damning.

I think ika is town, I think AK is town though not confirmed, I think TSO is town.

I have null reads on pretty much everyone else, slightly leaning red on DarkLightA, maybe honey bee since maybe one scum gambled on jester.

That seems a lot better than this crap

I don't have any reads.

Or this crap

hmmmmm....

to be a jerk and use role or not.......

sigh, must wait

So if Elmo's so obv scum versus everyone else, tell me why the fuck Elmo is ten times better than the other shit in this thread.

Wake me up when we start playing mafia plz.

[Save The Dragons]

Vote: Sexually Transmitted Disease

STD is fine, it's a consequence of the name, and it's kind of funny. Would prefer if you stuck to that or Save The Dragons (or Dragons, w/e).

[Save The Dragons]

It's a joke; your vote has no meat, thus it's arbitrary. Am I wrong? I dunno, I'm going to need you to explain yourself if you want me to take you seriously. Saying you made a list doesn't make it any less random, there's no reasoning given.

For example:

Here's a list of players with an alignment credited to them:

Who-scum
Cho-town
honeybee-town
TSO-scum
Elmo-neutral

[Save The Dragons]

Your posts feel scummy.

[Save The Dragons]

When I next get a few hour or so I'll look back on the thread and hopefully come up with something better or try and figure out why elmo is so much worse than anyone else, and to reanalyze my vote.

[Save The Dragons]

When I next get a few hour or so I'll look back on the thread and hopefully come up with something better or try and figure out why elmo is so much worse than anyone else, and to reanalyze my vote.

Btw this will likely happen this weekend just so you know.

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If you're going to claim, can you claim as if I'm incredibly stupid and have no idea what you're talking about and who you targeted?

Unvote

still thinking.

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Currently maybe a third/halfway through day 1. Analysis incoming in subsequent posts.

Those I would vote for:
Who
Cho
DarkLightA
T S O
honeybee
Bins

Those I probably won't vote for:
Elmo
AK
ika

Never vote for:
jon's replacement
STD

[Save The Dragons]

I don't really think Elmo's scum.

Not one person has given a reason.

Scumhunting is going to be almost worthless on D1 with a jester running around

Sounds like it came from someone who is actually concerned about scumhunting; if he's scum, this is a dangerous card to play as an "excuse" not to scumhunt.

I'm not super sure on the claim. I glazed over it and I just don't get it.

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T S O:

Vote: No Lynch

Obviously the Jester is going to attack me for suggesting this, so go ahead.

I have no idea how I'm getting a "strike" for what is a borderline towntell.

Concerned about this, could be rehearsed.

Am I the only one who hates #106?

Not a fan of this post, what exactly are you expecting from him?

Nothing super concrete. Trying to figure out if me being bothered by his posts is just me being bothered. I don't think he's as town as I initially thought.

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ika:

Have a guess as to what ika's role is. Probably wrong, but eh. Reading town, but I would not be shocked if scum ika was like "surprise the troll was there is no troll" at the end of all this.

Though this gives me pause:

*sees votecount*

*doesnt see any l-1*

*sadface*

It would be easy to hide any role under the premise of "oh boy I sure love hammering people! Whoops. I guess that was town?" and have everyone elso go "that's our ika!" *cue laughtrack*

I think I might just be paranoid.

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AK:

seriously, this isn't wifom just lynch me, it's probably the greatest possible contribution I can make to this

neighborhood

i c what u did there

Who:

I'm just going to write off Anatole as being the jester and disregard everything he says unless something occurs to change my mind. If he's still alive tomorrow, then I'll look at him for being scum.

There's a lot of nonspecific statements from Who.

Cho:

Who are you?

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Darklight:

Working on quantifying his posts to give a better explanation of what I'm trying to say in regards to him.

Essentially he makes a bunch of posts. Most of them are about the jester. I'm through about 10 or so of his posts and there's not a trace of scumhunting, nor is there any rationale given for not scumhunting. I'll keep going forward.

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honey bee:

If you're going to make a policy to lynch someone then the jester and scum are going to figure it out and use it to their advantage lol. That's probably a good reason not to randomize too as when we know who the jester we can read the wagons on em.

VOTE: theaceofspades u think ak scum y/n?

"Let's not policy lynch. Also I'm going to vote for the jester."

Maybe too obvious? Or maybe the N1 kill was worth the risk.

honey bee votes elmo in 150. Then there's this post:

That aceofspades post is giving me all sorts of scum feels.

Also:

VOTE: Elmo

Choo choo

problematic. She announces that she's on the elmo wagon...but wants to make it known that aceofspades seems like a pretty good lynch too.

I don't like this. I thought it might be too obvious for scum to try and drag the jester down. Seeing the switch to Elmo gives me a little pause especially iirc she returns to aceofspades.

Vote: Honey bee

Oh and I have no read on bins not sure why. Not finished but I figured I might as well post where I'm at for now and see what happens.

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And one more post just in case

the mod

ika wants to claim the page top

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Did you ever make a case against ace?

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I'm never super confident in my reads. I thought it was too obvious at first but changed my mind. As of now, I think you're the most suspicious from day 1, if that changes then I'll change my vote.

There's nothing wrong of finding two people scummy and voting one. The problem is I think one is protown and I know the other is the jester. There's a worldstate where this is problematic and that's worth putting pressure on you.

Did you ever consider ace to be the jester at any point?

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I'm not confident I'm going to finish what I set out to do. If it makes you feel better, honey bee, your day 1 posts give me scummy feels for now.

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To Elmo:

If you're going to claim, can you claim as if I'm incredibly stupid and have no idea what you're talking about and who you targeted?

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BBMolla:

What's your other win condition/who's your actual target/what's your actual role?

(If you don't really want to answer that's fine but I'm pretty sure one of the three questions above has an answer)

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Have no experience with that player.

honey bee:
Me thinking it's too obvious for you to be scum != me clearing you. I think it's pretty clear I reassessed my read and changed my mind. I think looking at who was all up on the jester yesterday is a fairly decent place to start; if I were scum for example, I'd consider trying to drum up support for lynching the jester, or I would avoid the jester like the plague and hope for the best.

Trying to think about it from a scum position, elmo's quote is quite complex. I'm not confident it's the sort of thing that scum says to pretend to scumhunt, nor would it be something scum might want to broadcast. I think it's the sort of conclusion a town player would make when analyzing the setup of this game. ITT I count one reason to not vote elmo and 0 reasons to actually vote elmo.

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I looked back at the game and realize you weren't on ace of spades all day, you kind of fluttered around Elmo for a bit as well. That makes me think that maybe instead of innocently expression suspicion you were actively trying to get people onto the jester.

I think you may have a point though, I may be overly zealous over this one point. Will reconsider.

um I've been giving reasons to vote elmo all game over and over again.

Yeah uh I just skimmed your ISO and I think this is giving yourself too much credit. If you disagree feel free to prove me wrong. Perhaps you could have mentioned this when I asked why people were voting elmo?

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KA softclaimed that he got stronger later in the game?

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My bad. Hmm. Let me think about this some more.

Unvote

AK you realize elmo "accidentally" voted for KA so 681 you are either confusingly using ace to refer to both aceofspades and KA and there's somehow a point I'm not seeing, or you literally just gave two points against elmo that are both horribly inaccurate

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...so are you still gung-ho on lynching Elmo?

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Vote: Who

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It's really hard to get fired up for this game.

ika: claimed troll role
BB: claimed lyncher
AK: 100% confirmed neighbor
reinoe: IC
elmo: win condition cop, which I guess is technically like a normal cop?

We don't really have a lot of time left, a little over 4 days.

In all honesty, the closer we get, I'm willing to lynch Who, Cho, honey bee, DarkLightA, and T S O. I also am dubious of BBMolla's entry into the game and would not lose sleep if we lynched him instead. Anyone else I'd be less okay with. Some of those names though are there in part because they're deadweight (which ika is too at this point).

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oy

So okay technically Anatole isn't confirmed town

but come on now

what setup has a scum lyncher target, honestly

I want to rage lynch you.

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I really wish Elmo would clarify :/ I've never heard of a win condition cop and he did not make it clear what the hell his role did even though it should seem obvious.

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...

i dun understand.

Actually, aha moment

I think I know what you mean but instead of me playing guessing games I'd rather you state it even clearer. Perhaps fabricate an example.

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Unvote

A+ for noticing DarkLight not scumhunting
A+ for paying attention to honey bee's interactions with the jester

will vote somewhere later got to go

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Vote: DarklightA

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It might help just slightly for our IC to at least let us know they exist.

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Hey there!

.

This is insulting.

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This game is frustrating :/

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reinoe, ika, who, cho:

I'd really appreciate posts from you with your reads. If you can't/won't do that, I'd love for both of you to make a game related post. reinoe especially since you are confirmed town, any indication you are actively reading the thread would be nice.

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Can I go back and WotC so we can get a player who wants to actually play this game?

I'm not saying you have to solve the damn game for us but you're practically playing like your slot doesn't exist. Guess what, you have a vote. I am asking you to post content for a stalling game, not demanding it. If you don't, that's fine, but don't be surprised if I say screw you and tell you to grow up.

From my point of view, I'm getting busier and I overextended myself. My role is fun, this setup seems fun, so I'd like to keep going. But if I have to sit here and see small bursts of content appear every three days from the same limited group of four people then I'm going to give up on this game, hence me grabbing 4 players by the scruff of their necks and trying to see if they have anything to say.

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I think AK is town.

KA more likely scum in this situation.

I'll vote when I'm not half awake, however.

VOTE: KA

+ points for soft claiming AK is town
- points for not even trying, especially since as honey bee pointed out it's not like AK couldn't have gotten lynched yesterday.

[Save The Dragons]

If you're neutral and we have to trade a town to get you to be town, is there a reason we shouldn't just get rid of you now, BBMolla?

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I'm dubious of the claim and there's no downside to killing him which makes me want to consider him.

There's nothing douchey about it, you claimed a neutral win condition which means you're either neutral or scum so you're not on my side.

I'm not really sure how he counts as a number for town other than he has his vote.

[Save The Dragons]

Okay, fair...but the claim is still a bit fishy; not sure if it's a good idea to replace into a game and fabricate a claim with a days worth of someone else posting on your behalf so I don't know what to think yet.

[Save The Dragons]

Okay, fair...but the claim is still a bit fishy; not sure if it's a good idea to replace into a game and fabricate a claim with a days worth of someone else posting on your behalf so I don't know what to think yet.

If you think I did that you'd have to assume I'm a terrible player.

...hence me not voting for you...

[Save The Dragons]

I was definitely confused at AK dying making you town, you mean if he doesn't get lynched you become town, otherwise you win?

Still not sure I'm satisfied with that. As previously mentioned around the time you claimed there was no utility to you claiming lyncher on AK which leads me to suspect ulterior motives.

Also bins's play doesn't necessarily coincide with your claim regardless of whether you are playing optimally or not but it's not a guarantee.

It really bothers me that when AK vs. KA were a thing she went against her lynch target. If you're right she almost won the game and chose not to...

[Bicephalous Bob]

But all she needed to do was literally throw her support in the ring. She just needed to type vote AK and she could have probably won.

I wanted AK gone more than KA, and AK kept voting himself.

Colon messed with the votecounter for some reason. -BB

My mod tags also upset the thing. -BB

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No.

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that's not even a word...

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No I'm serious I don't know what you're trying to say :/

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you should gladitate DLA

What a capital idea!

(i think)

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My money's on the slot with the player not currently getting replaced, though this should incentivize replacing into this game.

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awww snap.

Also doesn't prove ika's towniness. Hmmm.

Also VOTE: Save The Dragons
hehehe doesn't count

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Also

Unvote

for reals, Bert can get a chance to speak before I likely put my vote back on him.

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...how did you know about DLA's breadcrumb?

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Code: Select all

Have Be Fast Very
o    e  r    e
n    e  u    n
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             r

but I mean it's also 4 random words...though if honey bee really is a fruit vendor I guess it's possible.

[Save The Dragons]

I didn't even know that was a thing...

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Not that I'm so convinced you're lying or anything I just never heard of that. It also seems of dubious legality but I suspect it's similar to the heads of a hydra talking to each other out of game.

Welp if you're legit then it's curtains for ika but I need to think about this for a bit.

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Bert: Elmo claimed win condition cop

(or something i still dun really get it)

...you'll find that out when you read.

[Save The Dragons]

I really hope he says no because that would be super awkward.

[Save The Dragons]

It also doesn't mean he's

not

a scum rolecop.

Is this gladiataration thing a thing that's happened in other games before?

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said something

/ignore

Bert: tbh I had no idea what a gladiator did and just was like "ooh challenge"

What scum motivation is there to claim third party?

Spared the rope in the interim.

Curious about your Who read. Honey bee is a little off for interactions with ace but content seems okay.

[Save The Dragons]

What happens if neither person gets enough votes?

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If I'm voting one I'm probably voting for ika at this point.

ika can you gladiate again or was it one-shot?

[Save The Dragons]

Scenario 1

Everyone's town and telling the truth.

Optimal play-vote ika.

Likelihood-medium

Scenario 2

Bert's telling the truth. Ika is a scum gladiator.

Optimal play-vote ika.

Likelihood-medium

Scenario 3

Bert's a mafia role cop trying to pass off as JOAT hoping to fabricate results tomorrow.

Optimal play-vote off Bert

Likelihood-low

Scenario 4

Bert's a mafia JOAT

Optimal play-vote off Bert

Likelihood-very low

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I agree Bert seems townish, and I feel his role is probably going to sort itself out if he is lying, though I'm not sure he is.

VOTE: ika

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Bert:

Reinoe didn't claim IC. Reinoe is mod-confirmed IC.

Also regarding honey bee's interaction with the jester D1:

From my inbox

From the 1st post

Mafia (censored):

You are a member of the Mafia. Every night, one member of the Mafia may perform the factional kill. Your faction has daytalk enabled. You win if the Mafia is the last faction standing or if nothing can prevent this from happening.

XXX is the Modified Jester.

If he isn't the first player to be lynched, your faction won't be able to perform a factional kill the night following the first lynch.

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[Save The Dragons]

Sorry.

Two people in game know what your role this game is?

Or two people should recognize you as that role from like a previous game or something?

[Save The Dragons]

@mod: I was not aware of him replacing him that he would actively not play the game. Please find another replacement or I will be replacing out.

I second the sentiment that I would prefer reinoe get replaced out. His playstyle in this game is neither interesting nor strategic; it is pretty clear he isn't here to play mafia, he's here to troll. I suspect that consistent behavior like this will suck the fun out of this game and I am no longer interested to see if he stops behaving like a child.

[Save The Dragons]

BBMolla lyncher bothers me but I can't get over how ballsy the play is if he's faking it.

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I think he's claiming pro-town with an additional win-con that doesn't interfere with town winning the game? Otherwise he wouldn't think AK is scum.

Who, couldn't BBMolla be fakeclaiming something inaccurate and be scum instead of AK?

[Save The Dragons]

Egg is pretty much confirmtown, even more than reinoe.

[Save The Dragons]

Why you askin' me

Egg as well.

[Save The Dragons]

I think you're pretty lynchable yourself but I'm not going to worry about that until tomorrow.

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reinoe: You're not worthy of that avatar.

I'm a Modified Inventor.

There's a role out there that I can recruit, giving them some power I'm not told about.

If I succeed I win the game regardless. If I or the player with the role dies, I win with the town.

Night 1 I tried jon/reinoe, last night I tried T S O, got no info and I'm still here so I guess neither worked.

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reinoe: do you know who Dragon Phoenix is?

[Save The Dragons]

I approve of the reinoe recruitment effort thingy even though it failed. So you're not an idiot.

tbh I think targeting the IC may not have been the best choice, adding power to an IC just seems a little broken. I spent a lot of time that night second guessing whether the mod would hide my target in the IC, but I figured I had to try just in case, especially since it was jon and I thought he might not live through N2.

[Save The Dragons]

Because no one can put 2 + 2 Together.

I think that was clear, for me at least, when I asked you yesterday ten times to elaborate on your role.

Why do you think Who is town and I'm not?

Who, is your other wincon labeled "recruit"?

[Save The Dragons]

I don't know what to tell you, I didn't make the role.

[Save The Dragons]

Considering Molla claimed neutral I agree with that statement...

Who softclaimed what I would have soft claimed: I have a wincon that lets me leave and a wincon with the town otherwise.

I think he's claiming pro-town with an additional win-con that doesn't interfere with town winning the game?

I'm wary about Elmo but I didn't think he was scum most of the game.

So either Elmo's lying about his claim or Who is lying about his wincon being with town. Elmo's claim is complicated, so Who seems more likely to be lying than Elmo.

VOTE: Who

[Save The Dragons]

Just one question though: How is your town wincon phrased? Is it the standard town wincon or is it "you/your target is dead AND town wincon"?

If that was to me,

If I or the player with the role dies, I win with the town.

[Save The Dragons]

I told pretty much everything. I don't know who the player is, or what the boon they get is, other than it is a boon. I've asked the mod earlier how I would know my target died if they die before I reach them, and the mod said I would be alerted.

Before the mass claim if we do it might be nice to have Not_Mafia give his impression of the game.

[Save The Dragons]

honey bee: I'm considered town.

Bert: When the neighbors claimed I thought that the power might be a neighborizer or something to recruit for the neighborhood. Since I haven't received word that the role is finished, I'm just not sure. I've hypothesized it might be something like recruit a traitor for the town. But I'd be guessing. I know the role doesn't match up with the ability very well, but I didn't sit here and go "huehuehue I'll claim inventor that recruits, that'll fool them," that's ridiculous. I imagine it'll make sense when I succeed.

[Save The Dragons]

srsly

Are you

considered

neutral dragons?

I am town.

[Save The Dragons]

I win with the town regardless if I can't achieve my other wincon.

I don't agree. I wasn't given a name or a role to look out for. Do you know who my target is?

[Save The Dragons]

As far as the recruit, I don't have much information, I'm told I can give a player a benefit. It's a recruit because is it's a specific player I'm looking for (and my guess is that it has to do with the power I give).

Who: ...what do you think? I win with the town.

[Save The Dragons]

I'm not sure how my first claim implies that I do not win with the town otherwise.

[Save The Dragons]

I don't even know why I'm arguing with you, I think you're grasping at straws, and I know you're looking for controversy where there isn't any.

But question for you:

Based on my claim what do you think happens if both myself and my target live to the end of the game?

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.

Wrong. I just said I won. You're now assuming that I lost, but I never specified what happened.

Just like you're not assuming that I was town otherwise and are grilling me for it.

[Save The Dragons]

You originally claimed you lost, then you claimed you won.

in response to that

[Save The Dragons]

I didn't realize how unclear it was until you started attacking me so I quoted what I previously put, I guess. I win with the town, I always did. I never deliberately misimplied anything.

I think you're scum, I think you're strawmanning me. I'm done with this nonsense.

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I'm actually the SK. I didn't have a lot of time to fabricate a claim so I came up with Inventor. I tried to make it as similar to what I suspected Who's role to be as possible, but got a little screwed over because I was rushed and because of elmo's investigation.

I do have a recruit, I can become a mafia group if I convert the right person, that part is true. I don't win if I succeed though. I can't kill until I recruit, so there might be more than one person I can get I think (I don't know for certain). Or maybe there's just a traitor out there that I can pick up.

My wincon is hard (be the last person standing). If I can be recruited to town then I have a better shot of winning, so I'd rather risk getting lynched now (but please don't, it's a waste of your time).

Please recruit me tonight, Who.

[Save The Dragons]

Sorry. I forgot to mention that.

I was not allowed a target N1. I was informed which player the jester was and told I could only use my ability if the jester was lynched. That didn't seem possible so I didn't try. Obviously I couldn't fake claim that with the inventor so I didn't.

N2 I did target T S O and nothing happened.

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Hmm. Before I do anything:

If BBMolla is telling the truth then he's probably the target I was trying to recruit. But how likely is having 2 SKs plus a mafia (probably 2 person) with the gladiator, plus jester, vs IC, other roles, no N1 kill with non-jester lynch. It's been a while since I've played a game so role heavy that I have no idea.

If he's lying then I'm not sure why he would lie about his role. If he is mafia, it saves him one round.

(For my part, I didn't think I was going to get lynched when I claimed Inventor despite the votes on me. I fessed up when I realized I could get Who to target me.)

Who, does your role PM imply only one SK?

[Save The Dragons]

Well that was a wacky game.

Thanks for modding, BB