Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[fferyllt]

If you had to lynch someone, ffery, who would it be and why?

this is kinda a dumb question to ask someone who's voting you.

[fferyllt]

especially the lies.

[fferyllt]

I mainly want why

because your baboon vote looked opportunistic as fuck and I am worried I'm dismissing your play as VI.

[fferyllt]

I mainly want why

because your baboon vote looked opportunistic as fuck and I am worried I'm dismissing your play as VI.

i have put my case forth. We have like 4 days. A lynch has to happen.

unpersuasive.

[fferyllt]

mara

[fferyllt]

you're pretty quiet for a counterwagon.

[fferyllt]

there's four on your wagon now I think.

[fferyllt]

pretty much, in my case.

[fferyllt]

but I do want to see the rest of F-16's catch up, particularly his thoughts on Oka meta.

[fferyllt]

as far as our wagon goes, nashville is town, but Titus is being idiotically stubborn and she actually hasn't done the reset she's promised to do (I think) at the beginning of this day phase

anatole is, meh. Don't actually remember why he is voting us, though I do remember thinking that he could be town who believed he had an actual case

I keep keep thinking that Lissa is most likely scum between her and 5-off, though ceph still thinks 5-off gambitted, though I still think it's just fluid as fuck and just rediculously advanced

and Oka is probably scum

f-16 would you describe 5-off's scum game as ridiculously advanced?

[fferyllt]

So, maybe you should be giving him consideration based on VI-ness Ffery. I'd be interested in your thoughts on his meta.

My thoughts are that his play as town comes off scummy to a lot of players. Maybe including me. My initial reaction based on a meta skim was that this could be another in a growing line of towns that mislynch him.

His play absolutely gives me hives though, from that early post where he talked about "to my advantage". I can't imagine ever posting something like that as any alignment unless maybe I were a claimed 3rd party with a neutral wincon, and even then I'd probably say it as a contrast to what I was actually doing, e.g., "x would be to my personal advantage, but I did y because I'm going all in for a shared win with town."

It's a statement I have difficulty mapping to town motivation. And it was said utterly unselfconsciously. even after I called the post out he saw nothing wrong or odd about it.

So.

I guess I want more time to figure him out. There's an opportunity for this to be the first town to sort town-him accurately - if he is town.

[fferyllt]

Intent to hammer.

I'll give it a couple hours for people to post anything they want to be in the thread before nightfall.

[fferyllt]

Ok.

I won't put him at L-1 just yet then. I want more from oka.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: FUT

[fferyllt]

is that to me?

[fferyllt]

I'll have phone access before nightfall but I'll fucking hate it if we lynch baboon.

[fferyllt]

sigh

vote baboon pride

[fferyllt]

the facescalp kill feels it's probably the same killer as the brutally murdered kill. Both of which targeted intern/neighbors.

[fferyllt]

I was blessed by the preacher last night. he was kidnapped before he left my house. through a window. I saw that his kidnapper escaped in a helicopter.

[fferyllt]

No desire to go after jiffy (sup) today after that flip

I want a massclaim pretty much right now

-b

I wonder if the brutal killer is the would-be intern mentioned in Lissa's role pm.

I'm not totally against a mass claim. I kinda want to go late.

And I want to hear about other night stuff, if any.

[fferyllt]

agree.

[fferyllt]

Mala who did you target last night?

[fferyllt]

Yeah, that's what ran through my mind when I saw lissa was targeted for a brutal kill.

Mala?

[fferyllt]

What did you learn?

[fferyllt]

Ok.

I think that fits the rest of what I learned.

F-16 and I share a house.

We had 2 visitors last night. I chased the kidnapper out of the house - with a knife in hand. When I came back into the house both F-16 and the other visitor, whom I assume is Nashville, were gone.

I didn't learn anything detailed about the 2nd visitor. Just that there was one, and that they were gone when I went back into the house.

[fferyllt]

Could implicate F-16 as SK if I'm interpreting this correctly

which I have no way of knowing if I am doing.

Ffery why does Mala say Fonz was somewhere other than where you said he was?

-b

He was dragged out of a bathroom window.

The text in my pm doesn't tell me specifically how things went from preacher dragged through window to me chasing somebody to a helicopter. Just that I chased them outside.

[fferyllt]

I didn't get any PMs on night 1. I don't know why. Maybe because I didn't have a visitor? Maybe because fonz blessed me?

[fferyllt]

I'm not either.

I wonder if it ties into Anatole's "item".

[fferyllt]

^ re the knife. there was nothing about a knife in my role pm.

[fferyllt]

Yes it is. We're masons.

[fferyllt]

Who were the other players that Oka had info about. Fonz and?

[fferyllt]

Who were the other players that Oka had info about. Fonz and?

Fonz, IHNC, AK, me.

-b

So no one in the neighborhood.

Which could make it easier to narrow down your kills if you're the passed-over intern who has a grudge against the ones who got the job.

[fferyllt]

What is the item? Something besides the camera?

[fferyllt]

And yeah, as should be obvious, Ffery and I are masons.

I kinda suck at looking / am not inclined to remember to look for mason tells

exhibit A: vesperia (more annoying was GI thinking that because I was attacking his mason buddy that I didn't know about I must be scum)

-b

heh.

Look at my first post. and count how many times "strongest town read" shows up in my ISO.

p-edit yes we do.

[fferyllt]

@gossamer wings, what is your Four Trouble read?

actually, it wasn't my first post. It was my first post to a specific player.

I don't crumb roles usually, but there are mason tells all over my iso.

[fferyllt]

Look at my first post. and count how many times "strongest town read" shows up in my ISO.

I had actually considered asking you why your F-16 read was stronger than your me read and thought I was being vain

-b

I half expected it. Was going to keep throwing up my hands and saying "because Tammy".

[fferyllt]

for completeness sake, we're techs who do after effects and editing and stuff.

[fferyllt]

I half expected it. Was going to keep throwing up my hands and saying "because Tammy".

I may not have believed you, considering what we went through in Vesperia with that slot

but I digress

-b

well, my townread of you was initially based on your interactions with tammy in this game, and how they were shaped by vesperia but not a rehash.

It was way more organic than how your reads shaped up in tales of you.

[fferyllt]

how does that work? can I give it back to you during the day phase?

[fferyllt]

I kinda want to focus on groupscum today.

[fferyllt]

Titus.

[fferyllt]

Titus.

Yes....

There's a bastard mechanic in the game.

What do you think it is?

[fferyllt]

I would rather sort Bork first....

borktown.

There. Sorted.

[fferyllt]

I hope you're right.

Anyway.

Majiffy, are you caught up?

[fferyllt]

I seriously want to hunt the groupscum today.

[fferyllt]

which I'll get to when I've had another coffee or two. Was up way past midnight at my dad's last night.

[fferyllt]

I don't buy Majiffy as groupscum and that presents a very big problem for me concerning your slot

-b

Whatever. I bussed hard both of my teammates and left myself at the mercy of whoever has an item with no regard for winning the game. That makes more sense than 5-off slot being scum? The slot you guys tried to hard to get rid of yesterday?

baboon's flip means nothing?

[fferyllt]

There could just as easily have been two and he was fishing for towncred, and lynches on lissa/ft.

which would have inevitably led to a lynch of either him or baboon.

And the same situation we're in now wrt to remaining neighbors.

[fferyllt]

@Majiffy your slot has been a nonentity for half the game so far. Please do something about that.

[fferyllt]

from a narrative perspective what is Nashville's role?

[fferyllt]

it is directed to you (and to Nashville if it isn't already answered), in that maybe you know? You've got that cool list going.

Interns, on air personalities, techies, executives. What is the narrative aspect of Nashville's role? How are they connected to the station? Are they a news cameraman? something else?

[fferyllt]

broken?

[fferyllt]

broken?

What is this in reference to?

3029

I figured it out. It was about the narrative Nashville reported they got back for their night action on night 1.

[fferyllt]

I'm kinda waiting for Majiffy to put something in the thread, and for Oka to respond to your posts.

On the face of it, I feel like Anatole's claim doesn't fit balance wise.

Your question about why Anatole seems more interested in bork than he does you is pretty thought provoking though.

I've been pondering if I've done that as either alignment. The only times I've discounted or ignored conftown is when I didn't value their opinion for one reason or another. I don't think that fits what's going on here.

[fferyllt]

Oka's lack of day 3 activity is bothering me quite a bit.

[fferyllt]

I've got a heavy eye on Ffery right now but I'll go in and look at the votes in context later.

you need your eye examined.

[fferyllt]

f-16, what do you think about the likelihood of town 5-off gambiting that way? From what we've talked about it doesn't sound out of his town range.

[fferyllt]

I wouldn't oppose you guys lynching through that list except that we don't have mislynches to spare.

I feel like you've spent more effort defending yourself than scumhunting today.

[fferyllt]

It bothers me a little that he didn't come clean on his gambit later. But, he wasn't around to do that.

And maybe he wouldn't have come clean?

[fferyllt]

ffery/f-16 are claimed masons, so factor that into whatever you're doing

-b

Did they claim at daystart today or during D1 or D2 sometime?

Also someone asserted the second (read: not groupscum) kill was confirmed anti-town. How do we know this?

Not at daystart. Stuff happened to me and f-16 last night, and I wanted to be sure it was all claimed and the claims lined up with what we learned before dropping the mason claim into the game.

[fferyllt]

In the most recent game I played with scum majiffy, he "scumread" me all game, but always pushed someone else.

sadly, I did the same with him.

I need to think about some of his other replace-ins, especially town ones. This feels like lazy play to me.

But, I do like the way he went about retracting the 5-off claim.

However, Majiffy missing stuff (like missing that he's the only living intern today and posting in the intern thread), I have seen him (apparently, or pretend to) miss stuff about lynched players in at least one other game where he didn't get active until day 3. He was a hydra in that game.

[fferyllt]

that "however" sentence is about one of his scum games.

[fferyllt]

Your vote on me is, frankly, not what I was expecting from you this game. If I had to give a list of people who were pretty much on the level concerning my meta, you'd probably be in my top 5.

I'm getting the distinct impression you haven't read a single post I've made.

However, Majiffy missing stuff (like missing that he's the only living intern today and posting in the intern thread)

I replaced in during the night. There was still another person posting in there.

Ok.

I forgot this game exists. Silly nightphases.

Ill check in tomorrow with a proper post.

This looks pretty disingenuous then.

[fferyllt]

Considering I replaced in several days ago and this just opened today...?

You're dumb.

just opened today? what are you talking about? The game day started about 3 days after you replaced in.

I'll cede the point though, if you like.

I think you would have at least scoped the game day enough to figure out who an easy mislynch would be if you're scum, though. If you're SK, then you kinda need for there to be a scum player alive to go after tomorrow, rather than lynched today.

Plus there's a fair bet of setup info that suggests you couldn't be groupscum.

[fferyllt]

Will you please respond to F16's questions?

[fferyllt]

Also Bork just saying what jiffy is doing is very similar to how he decided to railroad me in Micc's Micro and the fact he wouldn't stop makes me actually believe that Jiffy could actually be town right now.

Are you sure it shouldn't be null (this isn't bork)?

Okay, regardless of which head you are. I don't see how this makes it null. Jiffy came in and started instantly tunneling Bork which reminded me how he just did it to me in the Micro. I don't see how it's null because he was town there and not scum. Also he did something similar to Shos in Inyusha which furthers my belief that Jiffy is just being really stubborn town.

~M

Not instantly. He was going to have a go at me but I turned out to be a pesky mason!

[fferyllt]

I am toying with the idea of no lynch today. We are in the +SK equivalent of MYLO:

worst case scenario tomorrow would be 3v1v1 where we are essentially in the same situation as today (ML can lose the game but a correct lynch cannot lose it). Best case scenario is considerably better for a number of reasons.

Also it gives Nashville or whomever the camera ends up with an extra shot with it.

Thoughts?

-b

I dunno. I think the night kill(s) won't be a surprise.

[fferyllt]

I think I kinda wanna do Nashville today.

You're not making a whole lot of sense :/

[fferyllt]

I'll get around to it when I feel like putting my careface on.

That day is not today.

Why not? I wish you'd talk about your reads.

When you jumped into the game you said you'd probably want to focus on me today. Why? Pure vca?

[fferyllt]

Pure VCA isn't going to solve this game.

[fferyllt]

Part of me agrees with you about Majiffy.

[fferyllt]

why would you compromise lynch in this situation?

[fferyllt]

Because we have 2 conftowns.

This is MYLO/LYLO.

[fferyllt]

Effort.

3 days left, game on the line
Thanks for replacing in

You'd prefer a modkilled slot at MYLO/LYLO?

I'd prefer to see you showing some sort of interest in solving the game if you're town.

[fferyllt]

Meh, it's basically 50/50 fmpov.

this doesn't feel like a town pov. you've done a really cursory vca without taking any notice of the reasons and trajectories, and you've done nothing to refine it.

What makes Nashville scum to your mind? What makes them more likely to be scum than Cutty?

Who makes sense as SK? I don't see how you can even sk hunt at all if you're focusing on vca.

[fferyllt]

I feel like I'm good at spotting town-majiffy. I can't recall ever going after him when he was town.

Majiffy I'm not feeling good about you being town atm.

Why do you see Anatole as town and not possible SK?

[fferyllt]

I want to vote majiffy today.

[fferyllt]

I want to vote majiffy today.

I'm with you there but you are going to have to explain to me how Anatole is town based on the numbers.

We're looking for 2 scum. one groupscum and one 3rd party.

[fferyllt]

I want to vote majiffy today.

I'm with you there but you are going to have to explain to me how Anatole is town based on the numbers.

We're looking for 2 scum. one groupscum and one 3rd party.

No, I was talking about the fact that if Anatole is town, town only needs to mislynch once to lose. That would be a rather ridiculous setup.

There's that, too, yes.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: Majiffy

[fferyllt]

Very unofficial vote count

Nashville Dreams(1): Majiffy
Cutty Shark(0):
Majiffy(1): fferyllt
AnatoleKuragin(2): Cutty Shark , OkaPoka
F-1_Fighting_Falcon(0):
fferyllt(0):
OkaPoka(0):

Not Voting(2): Nashville Dreams, F-16_Fighting_Falcon

[fferyllt]

So your scumpile is anatole and oka?

[fferyllt]

I think if the sk were some sort of neutral party or had a wincon that was vaguely town compatible today would have been the day to out that.

It hasn't been, and ultimately that makes prioritizing one over the other less of a concern to me.

[fferyllt]

I thought maybe you were saying 5-off/majiffy town there, which seemed like a new idea. your clarification resolved that.

[fferyllt]

5-off/majiffy town there

On some level I actually do feel like this.

-b

what gives you that feel as opposed to a not-group-scum feel?

[fferyllt]

you're putting an awful lot of weight on "interpreted"

[fferyllt]

Obviously relational tells don't come into play here, but:

1) General acerbity that I have come to associate with his towngame is present
2) Quickness of countermanding what 5-off had claimed about the slot along with post 3308 I think point to town and not just 'not groupscum'
3) Seems to actually be interested in narrowing the lynch pool where I would expect an SK to possibly go with the flow on a day like today where lynching anybody but him is generally good

I asked you why you thought Majiffy was head and shoulders better than Anatole today, and I would like you to talk about that now.
You still think Majiffy is groupscum, no?

-b

I don't think he's "head and shoulders" better. I feel like Anatole is a little more likely to be an SK.

Have you played with scum-majiffy and seen a lack of acerbity?

Your 2 is a good point.

I haven't really seen 3 but I'll go back and look for it.

[fferyllt]

Anatole did you respond to these?

Is anyone reading my info dump spam analysis anymore? Bolding this so it won't be missed:

@ Anatole

Cutty, did you vig FT?

I though YOU were the vig. Why did you ask this question?

I honestly thought you were a vig after day 1

This too. You "honestly" thought that they were a vig?

[fferyllt]

point me at where it was covered.

[fferyllt]

I don't see how those points add up to "hey there's another vig in the game".

[fferyllt]

And I don't understand how a magician would be a vig.

[fferyllt]

prestidigitation. misdirection. what you think you see is not what you see.

[fferyllt]

I don't see how those points add up to "hey there's another vig in the game".

Like, what part of anything that I've said, especially in the quoted text, implied that I ever declared or acted as though I was sure there was another vig? You and F-16 are really frustrating because you're either oblivious to everything I'm saying or you're trying really hard to twist innocuous thing to fit a narrative you've already decided on.

Ok. I'm not implying you were "sure". So, how about "Hey there might be another vig."

You asked cutty if they were a vig.

[fferyllt]

And I don't understand how a magician would be a vig.

I think it's invoking a Joker-esque play on the phrase magic trick. Like, I can shove a pencil (or camera) into someone's brain through sleight of hand.

Is this description something similar to how your ability was described in your role pm?

[fferyllt]

It's just really odd that a vig sees a 2nd kill that they didn't make, and they don't default to "that's a serial killer".

[fferyllt]

two vigs doesn't sound experimental to me.

[fferyllt]

not to mention FT was a popular lynch choice, which makes him high on the list of vig choices

Why did you think IHNC was the scum kill?

[fferyllt]

I don't think you discussed it before you commented that you thought IHNC was the scum kill.

[fferyllt]

Ugh.

[fferyllt]

UNVOTE

Majiffy, talk to me.

[fferyllt]

Ugh.

He very well might not, so what are you 'ugh'ing about at this point? My lack of endorsement?

-b

The ugh was about him not showing up as he sorta indicated he might and now being at L-1.

[fferyllt]

my heart of hearts tells me this is a mislynch, but I don't have the necessary conviction here to scream about it
I don't like AK's handling of any of this situation; jiffy wagon already had support from ffery and AK never went anywhere near jumping on it

-b

What does AK not jumping on the majiffy wagon suggest to you. Are you thinking he expects majiffy to flip not-town?

[fferyllt]

That question was addressed to bork.

[fferyllt]

Hi.

I fell asleep.

There was nothing that explained the mind control stuff in my role PM.

It's one of the reasons why I feel like AK must be the SK.

[fferyllt]

I'm going to vote Majiffy in a few minutes.

[fferyllt]

Prestidigitation.

Anyway.

Not going into it further today.

[fferyllt]

MALA!

[fferyllt]

I really believe any thoughts that lead to cutty-scum are flawed thoughts that are ignoring their posts.

[fferyllt]

Also, don't hammer. I want to give majiffy a little longer to come and talk.

[fferyllt]

hammering in 20.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: Majiffy

less to more

Town (Nashville, Cutty)

Not So Town (Oka, AK)

[fferyllt]

ffery

-b

yes?

[fferyllt]

I think it makes sense that the on-air personalities would have a scum among them btw.

[fferyllt]

you mean the SK thing? Or the thing about a scum in the performers?

I have toyed with different thoughts about what could have happened to F-16. And I worry I'm doing too much setup spec and bastard whatever theorizing.

I'm a little worried this is town Majiffy not giving a shit, but not all that much. Scum had 2 votes yesterday. I keep thinking they could have maybe rescued MaraCeph if it was a town/scum counterwagon thing.

[fferyllt]

There's a chance that both masons could be dead tomorrow if we're wrong about majiffy. So, I'm throwing all my wispy half-formed/half-dismissed crap out there now.

[fferyllt]

Yeah.

I get pretty badly turned around when I try to apply the nati-mod filter.

[fferyllt]

I couldn't shake the idea that the camera was the SK. I thought it was a device or a mechanic, not a non-playing person. Oh well!

[fferyllt]

my bork read was golden.

[fferyllt]

ssk could read the mason thread? That had to be hilarious reading.

[fferyllt]

I think most of the dead PT was fairly cordial. Shouldn't have said "dead PT." Should have specifically called out Tammy and Ffery circle-jerking about how they totally would have figured it out and the rest of us are stupid.

uh no?

I was looking outside specific players for something to explain what was happening to you even while I was in the game, but I don't think I would have figured this out. I was paying no attention at all to the letters popping up in the death scene flavors.

I was leery of talking about the pieces I was thinking about in the game thread because I thought it could lead to you getting lynched and I didn't think you were the SK.

[fferyllt]

Anyway, as different people started to suspect and figure out pieces of the puzzle I was impressed and hopeful. I think town was much further along the trail than I would have managed if I were still in the game. On the outside, knowing it was all town on day 4, it was a little painful to watch.

[fferyllt]

Acting like bringing it up would get me lynched is a ridiculous line of thinking. I don't think that is what would have happened and you thinking that you are so influential that the mere suggestion that you lynch someone means that they are lynched is just kidding yourself.

:/

That's not what I meant at all. I had zero intention of suggesting you be lynched. But I did worry that delving too much into the reports about you from Nashville, and what you were told about the nights, along with my concerns about the camera could go a very different way in the game thread than what was going on in my head.