Mini 1611: Wet Fever Dream Mafia. Ended.

[Honey bee]

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VOTE: honeybee

Oh hiya whats up.
VOTE: bins

[Honey bee]

If you're going to make a policy to lynch someone then the jester and scum are going to figure it out and use it to their advantage lol. That's probably a good reason not to randomize too as when we know who the jester we can read the wagons on em.

VOTE: theaceofspades u think ak scum y/n?

[Honey bee]

If you're going to make a policy to lynch someone then the jester and scum are going to figure it out and use it to their advantage lol. That's probably a good reason not to randomize too as when we know who the jester we can read the wagons on em.

VOTE: theaceofspades u think ak scum y/n?

y
and why the vote?

You seem to be implying he shouldn't get lynched today.
and why not vote?

[Honey bee]

you have to realize you're not going to get lynched today. The fact that you're still trying to be reeks of looking for town cred.

here.

[Honey bee]

won't and shouldn't are two very different concepts. That's where i'd start from when you now re-read my posts

No way in hell he get's enough votes to go down. People are too scared. That alone makes me want to lynch hies ass

It's early, I'm not even sure who is scum yet and anatole isn't off the table for me. But I see your point now. However, Anatole's arguments are just silly to me, Not anything alignment indicating.

And lose a day's worth of what? fluff. Scumhunting is going to be almost worthless on D1 with a jester running around

Excuse me? having a jester doesn't turn every post meaningless.
VOTE: Elmo

[Honey bee]

tldr: Don't worry about the jester, try to find scum.

Ok, and who's scum?

[Honey bee]

eh..? You want to find meaningful interactions but you want the innocent child to make the choices.

Here's the way I see it. Play normally. When the day seems to be closing, then will involve the ic as a town opinion, then lynch from there. In fact, when in doubt play normally is a good attitude to adopt. And it'll make this game not boring by some strat that doesn't even benefit us in the end.

[Honey bee]

Ugh are you really not going to give a shit all day?

Mini 1611: Wet Fever Dream Mafia.

why

[Honey bee]

I prefer informed decisions to random ones, and it won't be impossible to discern scum from a jester. But ok.

KA that post is weird. Tell me about who you want to be voting and why you're not doing it.

[Honey bee]

Honey, this is remind me of the first game we played together and it's freaking me the fuck out.

Me or the game? :o I am totally town this time.

I'm just going to say that Honey Bee and DarkLight are probably town. Why? Gut. Also because

they are actually trying

despite all the crap that is happening right now.

I'm not motivated to doing scumhunting now, but the gist of my view is that the IC should make all the decisions. I think the best approach would be that of elimination, contrary to my tldr.

:shifty:

Yeah this.

[Honey bee]

That aceofspades post is giving me all sorts of scum feels.

Also:

VOTE: Elmo

Choo choo

[Honey bee]

It's believable but not my problem.

[Honey bee]

ya rly. That post was unnecessarily defensive and deflective.

[Honey bee]

I was making an accusation lol. Are you interested in this game yet ika?

[Honey bee]

Its not random. You made a large assumption about ka's read on you and then accused ka of not having the same read on who. I don't know why you felt that post was necessary for such a casual read.

[Honey bee]

Is it something worth not claiming over? I am actually tempted to push for a mass claim, for several reasons including forcing people to actually play this game.

[Honey bee]

I'm pretty sure I know what it is based on your previous posts. Also i bet it's town because of *reasons*.

[Honey bee]

Actually scratch that something about multiple wincons makes me feel like it would help them more so than us.

[Honey bee]

Not necessarily the only one.

[Honey bee]

Well if elmo was telling the truth lyncher could be one. I don't have a clue though so I'm just not speculate much. Massclaim is probably a bad idea anyways.

Can we wagon elmo already people? This is the hip place to be.

[Honey bee]

I wanna lynch you because you called this day a waste and wanted to end it as soon as possible. Try again.

[Honey bee]

@Honey, you're act cute and innocent and I'm going to meta your town play when I have time. Easier if you just link me to one of those games, but I am getting parallels from the newbie game. Maybe I just don't wanna be tricked again. c;

It's k :P
My recent town game because the other two town games I did on this site I played terribly.

[Honey bee]

It happens, this time of year people are usually busy.

T s o, would you be opposed to a mass claim (if we were to hypothetically have one)? And do you still think elmo is scum?

[Honey bee]

I'm weirded out though by how many people were considering it.

Ak, why are you seriously still voting yourself..

[Honey bee]

Elmo when are the scum going to join your wagon?

[Honey bee]

I think you fail to understand the concept of wifom ak.

DarkLightA why are you popping back in to repeat info already said and not popping back in to scumhunt?

[Honey bee]

Why.

[Honey bee]

DarkLightA why are you popping back in to repeat info already said and not popping back in to scumhunt?

I don't have much to say, and I've been busy. I don't think it's optimal to lynch based on a scumhunt today.

I think the IC should take the player list, minus himself and any other players he thinks is town (if any), and randomize the lynch. I don't have much to say. Sorry.

Of course I'll scumhunt, and I expect the rest to do the same. However, I think the optimal strategy is to not lynch the top scumread, considering how much scum influence there will be.

And lose a day's worth of what? fluff. Scumhunting is going to be almost worthless on D1 with a jester running around

Excuse me? having a jester doesn't turn every post meaningless.
VOTE: Elmo

This x100. Scum knows who the jester is, so it's highly relevant.

hmm.

If you're busy that's fine but the posts you have made when you're not busy leave much to be desired. Have you read this thread yet?

peedit: wtf

[Honey bee]

There's a lot of people who aren't a jester so what?

@DLA please tell me if you were being sarcastic or not my sarcasm radar is permanently broken.

[Honey bee]

@DLA:That's fair, this thread is kinda dull but I'd argue it's the theory talk that's making it that way.

Anyways I'm pretty sure elmo is jester so I want to look elsewhere.
VOTE: Theaceofspades
you clearly are doing nothing and complaining about this thread.

peedit: ?? Aren't you not even sure who's scum yet? Why are you ready to move on?

[Honey bee]

3 people are v/la and one needs replacing, I'm not really ready until I get some solid thoughts from those slots. I'm not even sure if our ic approves of this strategy? So I don't think this day is completely done yet.

[Honey bee]

Whoever said they thought Who was the jester, may I ask what made you think that?

He's pretty obviously trying to get lynched, just observe how he's reacting to the people voting him/his effort in this game. Also anyone who was imitating a jester stopped doing it long ago.

[Honey bee]

>.> um nevermind lol, pretend you were asking about elmo.

[Honey bee]

DLA, because it's a guaranteed not jester.

Actually, I changed my mind. As an extra security measure I'd want Bins to claim after STD posts, not TSO. It should offer the same results, but takes away the chance that scum TSO is pushing for the

jester

lynch by knowing where I'm coming from.

？？？

Bins, you are giving me bad feels tho, please post some reads or good content or sumthin asap.

[Honey bee]

@bins: Pretty much that and post 333. I know your play has changed since that newbie but your posting still feels weird ukno.

Also I'm confused how you're seeing parallels when I was being a total tryhard in that game.

[Honey bee]

I didn't like 333 because it looks like you were throwing soft accusations without any basis, and you didn't follow up with anything to see if it was actually sketch or no. But yeah I understand if your meta isn't always gonna be similar to what im used to.

Can we lynch aceofspades now?

Also cho/dragons give me some reads I can work with.

[Honey bee]

Can we lynch aceofspades now?

why do you think he's notjester?

Because elmo is the jester and aceofspades hasn't been trying to get lynched since the massclaiming stuff.

Also, I really have no clue who the other neighbor is but I might be fine with this plan depending on who it is.

[Honey bee]

Nah, If the scum are going to go after the jester they're probably going to go after them later/close to deadline. T S O I'm fine with right now and who hasn't done much really so he's null. But I don't really see the scum hard pushing a jester because of the scrutiny anyone pushing their wagon will face and truth be told probably doesn't increase the scum's chances by much if the jester's lynched. But I'm making that assumption under the "this is multiball" theory.

[Honey bee]

Oh lol ok I get it. But literally everyone is being ridiculous about this jester thing so I'm just going to attribute it to being wrong rather than scummy.

[Honey bee]

Elmo just cuz you are a jester doesn't give you the license to be shitty and rude k?

[Honey bee]

lol well either way you ain't town so just calm down thanks.

[Honey bee]

I know your meta. But are you really going to appeal to me with meta elmo? Like I'm not interested in lynching you today but you seem to want to overreact anyways.

[Honey bee]

Ok, so? How does that make you town and how does that explain how abrasive you've been so far?

[Honey bee]

Dla do you want to randomly lynch regardless of what the person getting lynch claims?

Ace is now making me doubt my elmo read..

[Honey bee]

@jon: Aceofspades is still scummy to me, especially after 386. Pretty evident that he hasn't read: he's insulting bins for no reason too and his case on me is just bad (I have never cared who town reads me or not, and none of my play reflects that). And I've been considering whether the jester is elmo or aceofspades all day and until 386 I was pretty sure that it was elmo. However I feel like 210 and 279 are trying to be town-like which makes me lean towards he's just scum.
My other scum read is dla, because he still refuses to actually scumhunt despite his earlier statements. He's active and still only wants to talk about the randomization, which bothers me greatly.

Also neither of the neighbors have done anything to make me want to vote them but if we can't chose a lynch by deadline I'll probably support ak's lynch.

Peedit: yeah that just seems really sketch of you ace.. why are you already soft claiming?

[Honey bee]

T S O Please explain why 432 is a scumslip.

[Honey bee]

so you switch to the smaller wagon lol...

[Honey bee]

Do you think AK is more likely to be scum than KA? Cause I think it's the opposite.

Do you really think a scum would reduce the lynch pool to themselves and another person?

[Honey bee]

But that is a mechanic required for the game. KA wasn't forced to claim and make the situation he is in now.

[Honey bee]

Didn't you say you were down with assuming elmo was jester.

[Honey bee]

Who whats your opinion on ace?

[Honey bee]

I thought about it being a gambit but I can't really think of a good reason a scum would confirm themselves as scum in order to have a nightkill tonight. I figure if ak was jester we just autolynch ka. Though I agree with ak that it's not really a huge deal either way.

VOTE: ak

[Honey bee]

Ak if you are not lynched today are you going to play this game with little interest because of your role?

[Honey bee]

There's no way this can be a gambit. Ak can only be jester if the mod is straight up lying and he said the bastard element "isnt that bastard". My vote stays for now.

[Honey bee]

I'll probably be available to switch votes if needed but I still prefer ak's lynch.

[Honey bee]

Ika's just ika lol. I'm pretty sure he's town.

[Honey bee]

Elmo just cuz you are a jester doesn't give you the license to be shitty and rude k?

Just want to point out this post and say
I hope you die. (In this game)
VOTE: Honey Bee

sure, but you first VOTE: elmo

Bins do you know my role y/n?

[Honey bee]

I was debating between elmo and ace all day.

@jon: Aceofspades is still scummy to me, especially after 386. Pretty evident that he hasn't read: he's insulting bins for no reason too and his case on me is just bad (I have never cared who town reads me or not, and none of my play reflects that). And I've been considering whether the jester is elmo or aceofspades all day and until 386 I was pretty sure that it was elmo. However I feel like 210 and 279 are trying to be town-like which makes me lean towards he's just scum.

I pushed elmo to see what kind of response I got and then I pushed ace to see what kind of response I would get from him. but yeah I was leaning more towards elmo as jester rather than ace. Why does my carelessness make me scummy though?

and yeah you probably do know my role.

[Honey bee]

I was determined to find anti town first and then jester after that. Ace was never in any danger of being lynched even at deadline, so I never had to be paranoid I was on the wrong lynch.

Who else are you scum reading?

[Honey bee]

Std do you actully have any reads cuz it looked like your post is useless information plus a few weak suspicions without any motive to figure them out.

Peedit: Cho what are you doing.

[Honey bee]

lmao I've thought you were scum since your 115.

[Honey bee]

Because elmo wanted to end that day asap and literally ignored all discussion. Also his read on me is just terrible omgus. Ika is naturally useless and cho I have no clue other than this is possibly normal for her (but I haven't checked yet).

Are you scum reading dla for the same reason as me or another reason?

[Honey bee]

Excuse me why would you ask that question ever.

[Honey bee]

No I mean what is the motive of your question to ask about what I think bins knows..

[Honey bee]

And you really think I can answer that without revealing something about my role?

[Honey bee]

Exactly, so drop it dla. I'm town, and if your town too you can figure out my alignment a different way.

[Honey bee]

My interaction was meant for bins only. Scum read me for refusing to answer, idc. Your inability to take a hint is just confirming my read on you.

[Honey bee]

Right now its looking like scums looking at me for the easy target for my D1 play and how I wanted the day to be over. Honestly I don't see how that comes from scum pov where they would want to know as much as possible with the jester looming.

Because the longer a day lasts the more chances there are for suspicion to fall on them. And contrary to your beliefs a jester flip hasn't made day one invalid, so if you believe scum prolonged the day for "information" or whatever you can point it out instead of throwing out random speculation to get attention away from yourself.

[Honey bee]

Ikr..

[Honey bee]

@cho: Just interact with us, because right now I can't read what your doing right now, although knowing now who you are helps me a bit. What is your opinion on elmo?

[Honey bee]

Then join #teamelmo.

I'm surprised you haven't used your ability yet.

What?

:l

[Honey bee]

You didn't even claim your results from last night sounds hella fake to me.

[Honey bee]

you are still neglecting to tell us who you targeted.

I'm not sure what precedent that bob will use that role but yeah it's at least believable.

[Honey bee]

You chose poorly. Either investigate yourself or T S O tonight or else we autolynch you tomorrow.

VOTE: DarkLightA

[Honey bee]

Why do you keep hedging your accusations on me as being too obvious? and whats wrong with calling two people scummy and voting one?

[Honey bee]

VOTE: Theaceofspades
you clearly are doing nothing and complaining about this thread.

@jon: Aceofspades is still scummy to me, especially after 386. Pretty evident that he hasn't read: he's insulting bins for no reason too and his case on me is just bad (I have never cared who town reads me or not, and none of my play reflects that).

I stated my reasons about him. Not really a case but I rarely do that.

[Honey bee]

Yes, I was debating between elmo and ace as the jester all of day 1.

You are an idiot. What difference does my d1 change though

We're not fucking chainlynching people if you get a false report tomorrow so you either investigate someone who is obviously town (T S O) or investigate yourself so that if the person flips town we know to lynch you.

[Honey bee]

Can you actually scumhunt or at least try to care about this game.

[Honey bee]

I'm not confident I'm going to finish what I set out to do. If it makes you feel better, honey bee, your day 1 posts give me scummy feels for now.

It's not about me feeling better its about me not knowing your alignment and your posts giving me pause. You're voting me for a reason you originally assumed to be something that excluded me from scum and that's the only reason your voting me. You calling elmo "pro-town" and "concerned about scumhunting" also feels unnatural considering his play so far. So the way your reads are now is giving me scum feels about you and it's not going to go away until you flesh your reads out more or at least better justify where you are now.

I'm ok with bb's soft claim. *shrug* I thought it was a joke but I didn't have large suspicion of ak anyways.

[Honey bee]

I don't know anything about reinoe so I have no opinion unless someone has a good reason to not allow him in.

[Honey bee]

honey bee:
Me thinking it's too obvious for you to be scum != me clearing you. I think it's pretty clear I reassessed my read and changed my mind. I think looking at who was all up on the jester yesterday is a fairly decent place to start; if I were scum for example, I'd consider trying to drum up support for lynching the jester, or I would avoid the jester like the plague and hope for the best.

Ok let me rephrase that: Your reasoning goes from a reason against me being scum to a reason for me being scum. I get you reassessed your reasoning, but your covering all of your bases and not allowed for a concrete reason in your accusation (In other words, someone would be scummy whether or not they joined the wagon). and again this is the only reason you are voting me and seems to be the only thing you are concerned about in my play, which gives me the impression you are trying to force a connection between us instead of figure me out. Why is my read on ace yesterday from a scum perspective rather than town who thought he was scum?

Trying to think about it from a scum position, elmo's quote is quite complex. I'm not confident it's the sort of thing that scum says to pretend to scumhunt, nor would it be something scum might want to broadcast. I think it's the sort of conclusion a town player would make when analyzing the setup of this game. ITT I count one reason to not vote elmo and 0 reasons to actually vote elmo.

um I've been giving reasons to vote elmo all game over and over again but I'm not going to argue considering claims now. and that doesn't explain why that's a town post at all. I would think town would be motivated to participate in the discussion on how to optimally break the setup, which elmo didn't do at all and just tunneled someone.

[Honey bee]

um I've been giving reasons to vote elmo all game over and over again.

Yeah uh I just skimmed your ISO and I think this is giving yourself too much credit. If you disagree feel free to prove me wrong. Perhaps you could have mentioned this when I asked why people were voting elmo?

So if Elmo's so obv scum versus everyone else, tell me why the fuck Elmo is ten times better than the other shit in this thread.

Because elmo wanted to end that day asap and literally ignored all discussion. Also his read on me is just terrible omgus. Ika is naturally useless and cho I have no clue other than this is possibly normal for her (but I haven't checked yet).

Are you scum reading dla for the same reason as me or another reason?

I did.

[Honey bee]

I'm still good with lynching dla. Std is making a bit more sense to me now. Who and cho are in my poe pile and I'm liking everyone else currently.

Also bb do you understand my conversation with your predecessor?

[Honey bee]

This one.

[Honey bee]

Meh, i was just wondering. It might have been helpful if you did.

Who, why do you still want to lynch elmo?

[Honey bee]

This game needs 3 or 4 replacements tbh.

Pee edit: Explain.

[Honey bee]

I mean with bb. Also I'm town.

[Honey bee]

Do you really think scum would claim lyncher.

[Honey bee]

So. You're calling the slot scummy. I want to know why.

[Honey bee]

And why should i care about that. I know i'm bound to get lynched because I'm the only person who voted the jester. I want to tread on info that I don't know rather than what I already do.

[Honey bee]

Molla should know my role. The way bins reacted to that makes me think the slot is town. And I can't rationalize fakeclaiming lyncher instantly out of all things.

When did you change your opinion about dla.

[Honey bee]

I think that there is a strong possibility of a d2 jester which functions exactly the same as the d1 jester. It is totally the sort of thing Bob would do. Anyone else in favor of lynching Reinoe to avoid such a jester-lynch?

That's ludicrous and even if it was true why wouldn't we just lynch ak?

[Honey bee]

It's kind of important to us because I don't know if I can believe bins to be really all that altruistic about lynching ka over ak.

[Honey bee]

Ok, sounds believable, but I have to mull it over a bit more.

Claiming renders me useless

How does this match with Lyncher?

Why did you want to know this?

[Honey bee]

yeah we really don't need to lynch bb. He still counts towards our numbers so he's spiritually town.

Because I don't believe Molla's claim.

So you're demanding he full claim.. is that really necessary?

[Honey bee]

He counts towards our numbers because he's probably not mafia and he can vote. Thus lynching him will only decrease the number of people the mafia has to eliminate.

[Honey bee]

When did you change your opinion about dla.

[Honey bee]

I approve.

[Honey bee]

bb already claimed that for me though. also That wouldn't explain why he kept asking about my role when he already knew.

I don't get the crumb.

[Honey bee]

have be fast very wtf??

[Honey bee]

oh.. maybe wrote that crumb in the scum pt for a claim later on. no wonder he spotted something so obscure.

wanna bet he's just a regular rolecop?

[Honey bee]

Is that even legal? thats basically oot communication.

[Honey bee]

joat + win condition cop in this game.. I don't like it.

peedit: link me to one?

[Honey bee]

No i mean a cop and a joat seems like a lot of power.

If you're town this is probably multiball.

[Honey bee]

actually I'll just ask bob.

@mod:

If someone were to replace out, can the person replacing out leave a message for the next person in that slot?

[Honey bee]

hm ok. So it's plausible.

but that doesn't resolve the balance problem or any of my other feelings about this.

I honestly have been thinking that most of the town pr roles are weak powered or modified to be just like mine. That's why I thought ika/elmo's claims were believable.

I'll see how I feel after bert catches up.

[Honey bee]

Yeah it's a normal role. I've seen it in some open setups.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gladiator

Actually he's probably real-claiming joat at least, or else he'd run into problems tomorrow.

ugh oh yeah we have an IC too.. IC + win condition cop + joat is ridiculous amounts of power.

[Honey bee]

I think tbh that bert isn't worth lynching over his claim and my thinking right now that he's probably more self aligned than anything. I want him to use his one-shot abillities tonight and tomorrow though for accountability reasons.

Save the dragons feels town to me by his interactions (I thought he was misrepping me but I feel that he honestly just misread some parts about me), elmo probably didn't make up his claim, as well as bb (his role perfectly fits what bob described as the bastard part of this game). Bb's conclusion about ak is reasonable, so I believe he's town too.
I don't like who's suggestion to mislynch reinoe or his role fishing of bb. I am getting wary of t s o as he is not even bothering to figure out my alignment and I haven't liked how he defended dla early yet is now saying he never seemed townie. Cho I still have nothing on.

Also bert I was in that ffery mason and monks game which went at like 20 pages a day and I replaced out cuz it was rediculous and somehow my slot was still mislynched :l

These thoughts were kinda quick and I'll try to come back here later today or tomorrow. I need to think about this a bit more. So UNVOTE: for now.

[Honey bee]

Bb's conclusion about ak is reasonable, so I believe he's town too.

You mean, you believe he's 3rd party?
]

No I mean I believe ak is town.

[Honey bee]

I think Bert just townslipped.

Where?

Bert: do you not believe elmo's claim? why or why not?

[Honey bee]

oh, good point.

VOTE: ika

probably need to reevaluate elmo,

[Honey bee]

BB can you paraphrase for me all of your pm role as best as :!: you can?

[Honey bee]

Idk why that emoticon is in that post ignore it.

[Honey bee]

Yes, which is why I started being suspicious of him again. that and all the claims so far have been relatively normal.

[Honey bee]

As I said earlier, My concern was finding anti town and then finding the jester day 1. I never had a reason to be paranoid that the jester since no one voted with me. And I was trying to decide between elmo and ace as jester and ultimately I was wrong.

I'm not an important role so I'm fine lynch me. I don't understand how my point of view seems more like from someone who knew what they were doing rather than someone who just fell for it.

peedit: yeah, I figured that's how it would happen if scum were gonna try for it. The neighbors were long outted beforehand so no lynch was going to happen other than the neighbor one.

[Honey bee]

Honey bee, you said TSO defended DLA, but he only did on page 10...then changed it early on

Yeah, I was wary of his early claim of dla being town, but I forgot he changed his read at the beginning of day 2 and I thought he changed reads more recent than that.

[Honey bee]

BB can you paraphrase for me all of your pm role as best as you can?

Please answer.

I'd be a lot more interested in a who lynch than anyone else tbh.

[Honey bee]

Wait who has a secondary wincon?! Claim that shit immediately.

[Honey bee]

bb is bothering me a little less but once again I'm having trouble connecting his claim to bins d1 play.

[Honey bee]

Why didn't you say so after elmo claimed an investigation on you?

[Honey bee]

I saw that, and I meant unambiguously. I don't feel it's too hard to say " I have a second wincon that may mess up your results".

I mean I still don't like his claim, but you are the person who confirms or not he's telling the truth.

peedit: this is @ who.

[Honey bee]

beware the dreaded fruit vendor.

And yeah, I know reinoe. My concern was with elmo investigating who not with second wincons.

[Honey bee]

Alignment changes are considered bastard in any context though right?

I didn't think ak would die with all these roles claimes so I visited him :l

[Honey bee]

I'd support a massclaim but I have no business saying so since mine's already claimed. I'd like to make some sense out of the balance of this game when there's supposedly 3 town players who can reduce our numbers by winning.

Also STD if your telling even an ounce of the truth it really should be obvious who your target is.

I'm feeling the bb vote. How does Dragons claim make any less sense?

[Honey bee]

His immediate doubt of std doesn't bode well, and I have been thinking about how his claim has a huge contrast with bins play. I feel like he has the most motivation for killing ak (as it helps his claim with ak being town), but that's wifom territory. It's not a particularly strong read, but my gut keeps going in that direction.

I want std to tell us everything in his pm role if he may please.

[Honey bee]

Are you considered neutral dragons?

[Honey bee]

Sorry, i'm being a bit slow. Hypothetically if the town were somehow to win today and that didn't involve you or your target dying, do you win?

I also said it was obvious who your target was. You don't agree?

[Honey bee]

Who, does your wincon work in the same way?

I don't really know who your target is but considering how it's likely everyone has a role, your target is likely someone without much inherit power to fit balance. So unless someone has a role more useless than mine, I'd think it be me.

[Honey bee]

Who, which way does your wincon work?

Dragons original claim seemed ambiguous which is why I asked him to clarify. I don't think he contradicted himself.

[Honey bee]

oh I forgot about that.

BB is probably scum then if we have 2 players claiming that there secondary wincon doesn't affect their main one.

[Honey bee]

That could

h

ave turned out better but, meh, at least we're well off by not having lynched the jester. Today will

b

e the start of scumhunting then for real.
I conducted

f

ast read-throughs of ISOs during the night, and this is what I came up with:

TSO – town
Honeybee – unsure
AK – town
KA – town
Aceofspades – jester
Who – scum
Bins – town (?)
Cho – unsure
Elmo – unsure
Ika – town
Jon – town
STD – scum based on Zazier

They're all

v

ery quick reads, but it's a starting point, and I try to share whatever I find out.

I submitted replacement request 2-3 hours ago, since my solo game is now completed/past now!! (Mini 1602)

I have really bad luck because now I'm gladiated. :(

Read the third word of every sentence.

Honey Bee - Fruit Vendor.

That was DLA's crumb for the investigation. Look closely. I'm a Town JOAT.

My other abilities are 1-shot tracker and 1-shot follower. My predecessor used up the Rolecop 1-shot ability already.

I was targeted by a Fruit Vendor btw.

I didn't really claim but yeah i'm a fruit vendor. I targeted ak last night but he died. I only got a town wincon.

[Honey bee]

I want Not Mafia to claim next.

[Honey bee]

That could

h

ave turned out better but, meh, at least we're well off by not having lynched the jester. Today will

b

e the start of scumhunting then for real.
I conducted

f

ast read-throughs of ISOs during the night, and this is what I came up with:

TSO – town
Honeybee – unsure
AK – town
KA – town
Aceofspades – jester
Who – scum
Bins – town (?)
Cho – unsure
Elmo – unsure
Ika – town
Jon – town
STD – scum based on Zazier

They're all

v

ery quick reads, but it's a starting point, and I try to share whatever I find out.

I submitted replacement request 2-3 hours ago, since my solo game is now completed/past now!! (Mini 1602)

I have really bad luck because now I'm gladiated. :(

Read the third word of every sentence.

Honey Bee - Fruit Vendor.

That was DLA's crumb for the investigation. Look closely. I'm a Town JOAT.

My other abilities are 1-shot tracker and 1-shot follower. My predecessor used up the Rolecop 1-shot ability already.

I was targeted by a Fruit Vendor btw.

I didn't really claim but yeah i'm a fruit vendor. I targeted ak last night but he died. I only got a town wincon.

Yes I have I'm a fruit vendor lol. Bert claimed it for me yesterday.

N1: Bins/bb N2:ak

[Honey bee]

Who's next (ha).

[Honey bee]

VOTE: bbmolla
I suspect the sk is elmo. I am probably stds target considering all the claims, unless he's suppose to target both faith healers.

I can probably confirm myself tonight.

[Honey bee]

Theres 5-7 people that would give elmo false reports compared to single wincon town elmo has to be scum.

[Honey bee]

Did you target the same people as you said before or others?

[Honey bee]

It just makes a lot of sense considering all the roles, even now if he's an sk.I don't believe my role exists just to exploit a rule in bobs setup, so i suspect there was meant a greater purpose. I wasn't told of one though.

[Honey bee]

Its trivial. If who is gone tomorrow with his win announced, std is telling the truth. If not, one or both of them are lying.

[Honey bee]

So we have only one scum to worry about? 2 maf + 2 or more sk + jester feels right.

I'm still not liking bb.

[Honey bee]

Actually who can you tell me the specific wording of your 2nd wincon.

[Honey bee]

Does your pm role only mentiom the sk? Not The sk team?

And i meant bbmolla >.>

[Honey bee]

Ignore that garbage was suppose to be a confused smiley

[Honey bee]

Your an idiot. Just saying even before the STD claim. Kthx.

:roll: At least I'm not being worthless.

[Honey bee]

Please explain for the "dense" people then bb.

I don't believe t s o would shift the wagon on his scum buddy yesyerday.

[Honey bee]

Ok this is silly lets just try to break this:

(borrowing this list t s o)
T S O - Town Faith Healer
Who - Town Psychiatrist - will be confirmed
reinoe - Town Innocent Child - is confirmed
Elmo TeH AzN - Town Win Condition Cop
Honey bee - Town Fruit Vendor - can be confirmed
Not Mafia - Town Faith Healer
Save The Dragons - Serial Killer - will be confirmed
BBmolla - Lyncher
Bert - JOAT - is confirmed

Who, reinoe, and std are self explanatory.
Bert had a confirmed night action when mafia killed ergo can't be the other scum.
I can confirm myself by anyone receiving my visit during a night mafia kills.

Tonight Bert can use his track on elmo to confirm whether or not he targets the night kill.

That leaves bbmolla, not mafia, and T S O.
assuming mafia kills every night- 9p today > 6p tomorrow> 4p day after; we have 3 lynches. That's enough to lynch those three.
And if the scum ever try to no kill we'll receive another lynch in case elmo is scum. Or on a successful protect we lynch me if you don't trust me.
One faith healer should target bert, the other either reinoe or std.

solved.

[Honey bee]

HURT: Game-Specific

-Players may perform one action, either factional or individual, every night.

Yes you can assume that I can't do both.

[Honey bee]

yes we can.

I think if anyone was gambiting we'd figure it out by tomorrow. If there is actually 3 groupscum then we'll have a problem but 6 scum is quite large for 13p.

[Honey bee]

What's wrong with my plan bert?

I'm only going to target lynch targets to keep my targets from getting nked.

[Honey bee]

1 jester + 2 mafia + 1 sk and potential recruits.
jester gone, 1 mafia gone, sk will be turned town so if he did recruit he'd out immediately.

We lynch today > 8p
Who wins and leaves + mafia night kill > 6 p
lynch > 5p
nk > 4p
Lynch > 3p and end.

We get 3 lynches and we can confirm up to 6 people. Everything is accounted for I think.

peedit: no because he doesn't have a kill until recruitment.

[Honey bee]

We lynch the guy who's spitting nonsense to not get lynched (molla).

[Honey bee]

He's claimed an sk who doesn't kill and can be recruited by the mafia. In other words not an sk. and he believed that there could be 2 sks after claiming how sensible his previous claim was.

We have 2 slots as scum you're not going to lose who.

[Honey bee]

Why did dragons claim sk then? there's no point.

[Honey bee]

Yeah but that would only work if we saw that who won.

tbh from my perspective recruiting or not recruiting the sk serves no benefit to me. Either way we trade a town to get a new town.

[Honey bee]

bleh I mean we don't gain or lose town numbers either way.

[Honey bee]

yeah, I agree that be really sucky of you.

now I'm just considering there's more scum because someone is doing something that isn't making sense to me.

[Honey bee]

perhaps std only claimed in order to find another recruit so his faction could survive.

[Honey bee]

I don't see how a killing sk getting recruited by a nonkilling sk makes any sense.

It makes a lot mire sense you two are different alignments, as then the bastard element would be accoutned for.

[Honey bee]

Hopefully this will be over by then >.>

[Honey bee]

VOTE: Save the dragons

you're welcome :3

[Honey bee]

I want to hear elmo's results.

I don't see why scum would no kill just to prevent me from confirming but we can probably poe the rest depending on her results. It's possible the scum have been just unlucky due to faith protects.

[Honey bee]

The thing about bert is that him being scum would involve bbmolla lying and him actually preforming the ak nk and it seems like such a strange thing to lie about. This game is probably broken now in towns favor as we have 3 lynches still with two confirmed.

[Honey bee]

The thing about bert is that him being scum would involve bbmolla lying and him actually preforming the ak nk and it seems like such a strange thing to lie about. This game is probably broken now in towns favor as we have 3 lynches still with two confirmed.

? I don't understand the first part. What does Bb's n2 claimed no-action have to do with me?

Cell messed my quote wall up. Ouch.

Well, what did you do night 2 and what did you not do night 2?

[Honey bee]

No scum cant perform two actions at night. that's why your cleared and how I'm trying to be cleared. but at this point it doesn't matter because elmo can clear 2 people.

[Honey bee]

Town, who did you compare me to.

[Honey bee]

....
Did you read reinoes wincon....

[Honey bee]

Vanilla Townie:

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Town Innocent Scumhunter:

-

You're still alive

when all threats to the town are eliminated.

They're different.

[Honey bee]

she investigated reinoe n3 and me n4. As I understand it the wincon is compared to the previous person not all previous people.

[Honey bee]

she investigated reinoe n3 and me n4. As I understand it the wincon is compared to the previous person not all previous people.

Its of all previous people and I should have really read my role pm because yeah. Ignore me

Is who's secondary wincon counted as something different from someone who has only one wincon?

[Honey bee]

I thought you said that BB couldn't be trusted bert.

Hey everyone. Practicing my ISO-fu.
Who (the player not the question) might be scum because he looks like shit during VCA.

Who is confirmed town by bb's role pm.

[Honey bee]

they can't, but if bb molla did kill ak then the mafia kill is unaccounted for and you can't be confirmed then.

[Honey bee]

What makes you confirm town elmo?

Actually if the scum is anyone else but elmo I'd like them to tell us because there's no way they can win. If it is elmo it's likely we'll still win anyways. but either way if we can't confirm me/narrow the scum down to one person we can lynch me in lylo.

We lynch either bert/tso/ nm today.
if they're town, elmo targets one of whichever wasn't lynch (one of bert/tso/nm). I target anyone but elmo.
If no kill we can nolynch and determine the scum by having elmo target the last out of them.
If kill I'll either be confirmed or get another chance to confirm myself the next night.
If I mess up again, we lynch me and let scum win.
So the only situation that we lose is if I can't confirm myself within 2 nights.

Tbh I don't think it's a faith healer either because a scum faith healer still makes the scum team really weak. Idk what to make of bert now.

[Honey bee]

We can coordinate faith healer claims on the confirmed town if we lynch bert too.

[Honey bee]

faith healer protects*

[Honey bee]

it HAS to be HB/Bert/Elmo. HAS to.

there's got to be something which points to them being scum.

Yeah, I agree. But lynching me or elmo isn't productive as elmo can confirm someone and I can confirm myself. plus I've already been investigated.

I think the best bet is to just roll with the plan. if it was me I'd be fucked as my whole plan depends on me clearing myself and if it was elmo she'd have to get lucky twice.

if bert/you/nm were mafia there's nothing they can do as lynching one today + elmo's investigation or my visit would poe it down to 2 people which is as many lynches as we'd have left.

The odds are heavily in our favor.

[Honey bee]

I just was waiting for who to check in and to make sure no one comes in finding some folly with this. But if everyone's good I'll vote you.

[Honey bee]

Oh all right u cutie.

vote: Bert

I'll randomize between the 4 choices just to keep the scum guessing.

And don't forget faith healers:

i can just go on reinoe always.

nm can just go on who always.

[Honey bee]

Elmo you MUST investigate either t s o or Nm. Do not self investigate at this point.

[Honey bee]

Lol :)

Who is confirmed town because of bb's role. It confirms 2 recruiters (one town and one scum).
So nm -> protect who.
T s o -> protect reinoe.

[Honey bee]

ok i'm getting weirded out by these no kills. T s o has to be some luck god to prevent 3 kills.

is there any possibility that ika was the only mafia on his team?

[Honey bee]

In the event of a nokill I wanted to no lynch just to be sure but this game has dragged on way too long.

Nm, do you believe your partner to be scum?

[Honey bee]

so you believe I'm a godfather right? You wouldn't mind if we nolynched and see if all 3 of us have matching wincons?

I can still confirm via fruit vendng.

[Honey bee]

We can no lynch and investigate you if all 3 match we'll start entertaining godfathers and the like. There's no reason to lynch me until lylo/mylo.

also its only been 3 nights of nokills..

[Honey bee]

Elmos role is ridiculously weak without a godfather already.

[Honey bee]

with 2 people who give incorrect results (3 if godfather).

I don't understand your vote especially when you were very cooperative yesterday. Your more willing to believe I am a godfather than just elmo is lying to you and your suspicion of me feels out of nowhere.

[Honey bee]

You want to end the game because of disinterest yet you want to consider remote possibilities rather than just follow with the poe plan you agreed to yesterday. And I outlined it pretty clearly for you to do this wifom shit yesterday.

VOTE: Not_mafia
I'm good with this.

[Honey bee]

yes, by either elmo or by my fruit vending. elmo confirmed I share a wincon with t s o so unless we're both scum then we are town.

What makes you confirm town elmo?

Actually if the scum is anyone else but elmo I'd like them to tell us because there's no way they can win. If it is elmo it's likely we'll still win anyways. but either way if we can't confirm me/narrow the scum down to one person we can lynch me in lylo.

We lynch either bert/tso/ nm today.
if they're town, elmo targets one of whichever wasn't lynch (one of bert/tso/nm). I target anyone but elmo.

If no kill we can nolynch and determine the scum by having elmo target the last out of them.

If kill I'll either be confirmed or get another chance to confirm myself the next night.
If I mess up again, we lynch me and let scum win.
So the only situation that we lose is if I can't confirm myself within 2 nights.

Tbh I don't think it's a faith healer either because a scum faith healer still makes the scum team really weak. Idk what to make of bert now.

Did you even read this?

[Honey bee]

kk lets do this then.
VOTE: no lynch

[Honey bee]

If Elmo is telling the truth there's probably some sort of wincon godfather to make this balanced

I totally forgot about this, but I was rolecopped by DLA as well. You think i'm investigative immune against 2 cops?

[Honey bee]

HURT: Prodded Elmo.

Prod who please.

[Honey bee]

vote: Not mafia

Elmo confirm me please. Also gg.

[Honey bee]

wait what. blah?

[Honey bee]

There isn't really a point for the scum to continue, as we have 3 confirmed town currently. And judging from elmo's first post she's given up as she can no longer push a mislynch on me. If nm is the scum it really be shitty to delay the inevitable.

I'll move votes in a bit but i'd like the hammer and to hear confirmation from elmo too.

[Honey bee]

vote: elmo

[Honey bee]

I already said I wanted to hammer. What else were we waiting on? It's either nm or elmo and elmo is pulling up bs excuses about delaying her results.

[Honey bee]

...

[Honey bee]

I think it was impossible for Ace to reach his wincon with confirmed neighbors.

I think this setup was heavily townsided.

*sigh*.............................. good game nm. shooting me was a good decision..

[Honey bee]

Thank you for modding bob.

Reinoe you don't have anyone to blame but yourself. Elmo made mistakes but this game was solved and you could at least care enough to read and understand what's going on. If you don't care fine but don't blame others for how you played.

[Honey bee]

I don't think town played bad, this game was ours to be had. We were close at least.

[Honey bee]

I tried :( Everyone kept calling me scummy and nothing I said seem to convince anyone otherwise.

I thought my plan was foolproof..