Mini 413 - Famous CATS - Over! Quit pussyfooting around!
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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Glork, are you thinking what I'm thinking?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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I was actually pondering down another line of thought from your previous post.
I doubt the conjecture you've put forth in your most recent one is true.
Though I think it's probably safer to ask the mod.
Mod, do the bad guys win if they control the majority of the town as stated in the flavour
(In the town of Minto, everyone loves cats. Real, furry, breathing cats.
But a group of two-dimentional felines are trying toget all of the real)
cats out of the town in order to make animated/cartoon cats Minto's
favorite pet.
or if they kill a certain number of people as stated in the,The "scum" win condition is to eliminate all the actual famous cats.
Or are the two conditions equivalent? (the first mentions real cats, the 2nd mentions famous cats.)
I'm not sure I understand the question, but it seems a bit specific.
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What things do you give? can I have it? whatever it is?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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I received no "invention"Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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I'm thinking we might as well massclaim and try to break the game/outguess the mod from this point.
we've got so many roles in the open that I have to believe the scum have enough of an idea of the game setup for the MC not to give them that much more.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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this inactivity is treason
Everyone who does not post in the next 24 hours and hasn't since the return will be prodded and replaced shortly afterwards.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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this inactivity is still treason against the state!Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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your speculation about scum having provable abilities triggers a nine on my scumdar.
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-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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and my scumdar only goes up to 4 btw.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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because if the mafia don't, that's exactly what a mafioso would be saying.
duh.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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and also, we've already pretty much established where the mafia will hit, partial information reveal and total information reveal are not very different in that if the mafia know who's what, they also know who's NOT what.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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Interesting Miztef, why would you say Glork is "pretty pro-town"?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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you sound frightfully like I do when i'm scum and leading town on wild goose chase.
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-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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Glork, why do you think Miztef is innocent?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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Nice GambitGlork!
and we are at LyLo fyi.
I'm sure Glork realized it by now or he wouldn't have pulled this move on me.
Anyone feel like figuring out why we are actually at LyLo?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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Modwould you be so kind as to tell us how much money was found with the dead cat?
All that was found was a will indicating that he had inherited $450,000. No one has access to his bank account.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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I knew it
Miztef=Glork's buddy
Nai is innocent.
I'll spell their plan right out for you guys.
I have several things that I am using to figure out the true intent behind their villainous plan.
1)The town is completely filled with power roles and I mean absolutely stuffed, I believe the scum have similar power roles to fight back against the town. I believe 1 of these abilities involves the message sending that Glork has been setting up from day 1. The 2nd involves some kind of kill prevention such as either a roleblock or a nightkill immunity that prevents TheoVig from making a kill on Glork.(This makes LOTS of sense because that's the only reason the scum would go after some random rich cat instead of an actual power role liike Theo, since it's much more likely that the cat who already is rich has any additional power behind it, how does it make sense to shoot that rather than the town vig? I posit that Glork convinced his scum group to leave theo alive SPECIFICALLY in order to have that argument of not possibly gambitting to get me killed with his fake cop investigation which he's been setting up since day 1)
2) Here's the sequence of events that Glorkscum and Co. hoped to unleash on us.
Lynch Pooky-> 8 alive, kill and block Theo=> 7 alive, quicklynch RIGHT away on Nai(who takes half the votes to lynch)=>6 alive=>kill at night=>5 alive 3 scum= Scum WIN.
Oh and also don't forget to throw in the fakeclaim from the buddy who says Glork=Undercover Kitty who can't possibly be scum to reinforce it.
THEY ARE GOING ALL OUT AFTER ME.
He's trying to package it as an obvious not gambit by trying to say that this is NOT endgame.
Here's the catch... it IS endgame and if we let him fool us here we lose.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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And yes Glork I am saying you acted like that day one ON PURPOSE.
IF YOU OPEN UP VIEW POSTS BY AND CHOOSE GLORK AND READ HIS DAY ONE MESSAGES.
I believe they are DESIGNED to create MAXIMUM confusion among the town and to provoke reactions. I highly highly believe that this is a setup con job,
Glork saying that he has a terrible history of fakeclaiming and showing us those games is a HORRIBLE excuse. He did not HAVE a message sneding role as scum to fakeclaim WITH in those games. Fakeclaiming is a LOT easier when the mod ships you a provable power role ALONG with your scum role, those examples are NOT valid because similar circumstances simply DONT apply.
It's like saying that because Lance Armstrong won the Tour De France that he could duplicate the feat in the Amazon River Basin with rowboat, the ROLES ARE FAR TOO DIFFERENT TO BE COMPARABLE. Glork's excuses are PURE crap.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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and just LOOK at the timing of Miztef's comment.
it absolutely REEKS of "holy shit, my scumpartner is under attack and our plan to fool the town and waltz away with a win have been completely broken in half by the fact that this town happens to be full of VERY smart people. time to throw in the "i have role information that says glork is innocent" card"
This is how you know scum are desperate and trying to push that last yard to victory
when they start making crap up off the top of their head.
Town Miztef would NEVER have picked that timing to make his claim.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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Look guys
you have to realize
that the mafia
ACTIVELY CHOSE
to not kill carbon or primate
when they are pretty much asconfirmed as they can get
and choose to blow massive's brains out instead.
IF THIS IS NOT THE PICTURE OF A MAFIA ON THE BRINK OF VICTORY I HONESTLY DONT KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE THEN.
THEY CHOSE TONOTKILL CONFIRMED INNOCENTS OR GO AFTER THE DOC IN ORDER TO GET A GURANTEED NIGHTKILL ON SOMEONE WHO NOBODY WOULD THINK WOULD GET KILLED!!!Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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God and look at the timing of Glork's guilty
he just HAPPENS to get 2 innocents and on the crucial day when the scum can sneak a win out with a mislynch he GETS THE GUILTY.
AS SUSPECTED
WHAT CRAP HE IS SO BLOWING SMOKEShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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Just look for a second what type of power the town has.
and then think for a second that Glork is saying that IF THE SCUM HAPPEN TO BE COMPLETELY POWERLESS AND A STANDARD THREE PERSON GROUP THEN THIS IS NOT LYNCH OR LOSE AND IT IS SAFE TO LYNCH POOKY.
Just think for a second how likely it is that Bertrand armed the town to the bloody teeth with power and decided to make scum standard.
and then think, WHY WOULD GLORK USE SUCH AN OBVIOUSLY FLAWED ARGUMENT?
Answer is simple, he is trying to get away with one last mislynch.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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and seriously think
if a person is terrible at one thing(which glork claims is fakeclaiming as scum)
would that person decide to continue being horrible at it or WORK REALLY REALLY HARD ON DOING IT BLOODY SPECTACULARLY WELL THE NEXT TIME?
Now we all know what type of EFFORT glork puts into a mafia game and how bloody serious this game is to him(he won !@#$ing paragon of mafia hunters for chrissake)
Does it REALLY make any sense that Glork would choose to continue being absolutely horrid at fakeclaiming as scum OR would it make A LOT MORE SENSE THAT HE IS TRYING TO DO MUCH MUCH BETTER?!
I think the later applies here, THIS IS GLORK'S ATTEMPT TO GET MUCH MUCH BETTER AT FAKECLAIMING. it is an ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE in the sense that he was able to get away with pushing for wrong lynches on the first 2 days and STILL come out firing on day 3 with a fake investigation and tons of crap from day 1 that he claims somehow proves his innocence.(honestly how does pretending to be confused prove your innocence? I can understand it from a green newb but from the Paragon of Mafia Hunters?)
Think for a second what Glork would be more likely to do, continue sucking at fakeclaiming or begin actually working on pulling off a REALLY good one.
You'll come to the same conclusion as me.
THISISHIS REALLY GOOD ONE.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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God DGB I would kiss you right now if it wasn't for the fact that we're on opposite sides of the world.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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and the sidekick spews out a ton of even more random stuff right on cue...Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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I meant completely unbelievable stuff.
I know the "make up lots of junk so that they will believe you because noone makes up that much random junk" technique when I see it.
another mason pair? pssh! do you really expect us to believe this?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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you realize that if your role is valid then we know that there are FIVE masons:
1)Slippers
2)Socks
3)Buddy(Since you KNOW he's in the game, he's as good as a confirmed innocent since a bloody DOG cant possibly actually be an ANIMATED CAT)
4)Carbon Copy
5)Zindaras.
Add to the fact that there's Massive/Primate since Primate can confirm massive since massive is the one with huge amounts of money and primate can beconfirmed by being lynched.
do you realize just how horribly stacked the game would have to be for this claim to be true?
We could've just mass claimed and won on turn 1?
Do you honestly expect a setup that's been through thorough REVIEW to be gameable in this manner?
I certainly don't!Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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there is absolutely no way I could possibly be guilty on any investigation in any manner shape or form.
Glork is scum.
Die Glork Die.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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Dalton the Wonder Cat.
I can do ANYTHING.
universal replacement.
didn't replace anyone yet because there's nothing really juicy out there that I think would be useful.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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IF HALF OF THE BLOODY TOWN IS MASONED UP ACCORDING TO YOUR VISION OF HOW THINGS ARE THEN THE TOWN DOESNT NEED ANY BLOODY INVESTIGATIONS!!Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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Glork wrote:Primate:
I investigated Thesp N1 (he confirmed that the answers in the dayscene were his). Thesp was not evil.
I investigated DP/Skruffs N2 (Skruffs has confirmed that he recieved a message from him, and that DP's response was in the dayscene). DP/Skruffs was not evil.
I investigated Pooky last night; the reply in the dayscene is his. I don't know if Pooky will confirm this or not, but that's what I did. Pooky is evil.
Pooky -- Did you recieve the message which I sent you last night? Are those *YOUR* responses in the dayscene?
Of course they are
I have no direct effect on the dayscene. The letters found are my targets' own responses to the questions which I sent them.
Pooky's assumption that this alleged gambit involves roleblocking or unnightkillability holds no water. However, it cannot be disproven... it's an incredibly convenient "explanation" as to "Glorkscum's plan," and it's really the only thing that Pooky (whether scum or town) can possibly give.
And you want us to believe scum have no such abilities against an absolutely loaded town, which is more believable Glork? honestly?
If there are any other regular cops out there,NOWis the time to be coming out and counterclaiming me. Go ahead. I dare you. Pooky? Are you going to try to counterclaim me at this point?
I already claimed wiseguy...
Pooky, explainhowandwhyyou feel that my messages from D1 were designed to "create maximum confusion." Just yelling it in all-caps is not going to convince anybody of anything.
Right because questioning the difference between famous versus non famous real cats isn't confusing at all
You claim that "town Miztef" would never reveal his investigation at this time. When would you suggest that "town Miztef" reveal his investigation result?
Beginning of Day, basically ASAP, it's a one shot ability, why wouldn't you reveal right away?
Pooky's claim that "killing massive instead of Primate or Carbon Copy" makes no sense... is horribly flawed. As Primate said, Massive was practically confirmed as an unlynchable innocent, and he could have kept on feeding Primate new lives. I think that made themostsense as a kill choice, since it minimized the ability of prove pro-town players to continue to live.
how does Primate living matter in endgame? he's less confirmed because he could still be scum giving cash to look innocent
And all the while, Pooky is spewing shit like "if this isn't the image of scum on the brink of victory, I don't know what is.
Pooky, cut the rhetoric. You're not going to savvy-talk your way out of anything. Provide hard evidence to support your wild theories, or it will come down to one player's word against another. And, given that I have a proven message-sending ability and no apparent counterclaim to my Cop role, along with a wiki'dactual Famous Catas my rolename, I think that evidence is on my side right now.
Cuz your theories aren't wild at all? look at the three reasons you've given for the hyposituation. complete crap. You won't fakeclaim well because you haven't fakeclaimed well as scum in the past? how the hell does that even make sense? Proven message sending ability means NOTHING in a game like this
DGB's theory about Glork/Nai/Miztef being the scumgroup holdsZEROground, becauseif Nai were scum, then quicklynching him tomorrow would just be lynching a scumbag -- which would not win us the game.
I'm obviously not agreeing with the DGB theory
Pooky, please claim your rolename, any/all abilities you have had during the game, when you have had them and used them, which players you have used them on, and what results (if applicable) came from your use-of-abilities. Do so immediately, as your very next post, before you say anything else. I find it very surprising that, for somebody who has a guilty result claimed against you, you're just yelling about how I must be scum and not even trying to actually defend yourself, your role, or your behavior. Do you really expect all of this "GLORK IS GAMBITING SCUM" shouting to actually convince anybody (other than possibly DGB) that you're right and I'm wrong?
Again I already did
EDIT: Okay, so Pooky has claimed since I began my response. In spite of the fact that NaiTown implies we are at potential LyLo, you have chosen not to replace anybody so far. Why not? You say you're waiting for a "juicy" ability, but what would it matter if you were KILLED or ENDGAMEDbefore you ever got to take a player's ability?
Can you give us any more flavor than "doing ANYTHING"? According to Wikipedia, Dalton was the author of "My Litter Box is Dirty," and a television host. How does this translate into the ability to do ANYTHING?
ok wiseguy, which player would you have replaced? what looks useful in that graveyard? I'm the wondercat, that means I can do anything that needs to be done
Also, I believe that this means everyone has claimed. Pooky, are you insinuating that in a game where (according to you) scum have provable powers, the town has ZERO method-of-investigation to discern these powers other than a blind investigation and an Inventor's investigation (courtesy of DGB) which may not even fall into the town's hands? How do you feel this would affect the balance of the game?
Again if we're speculating on setup balance, I don't think a setup where according to you had MASONED townies in everything but name taking up 7 out of 13 slots is in any way balanced, heck WHY WOULD THE TOWN NEED INVESTIGATIVE POWERS WHEN THEY CAN CONFIRM THE INNOCENCE OF MORE THAN HALF OF THEIR PLAYERS ON DAY ONE? WHAT THE HECK IS THE POINT OF HAVING A COP?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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no when half the masons are MASONED WITH THEMSELVES.
If you're saying there are bastard masons, then it would have to be Miztef/Thesp since the other masons are clearly iinapplicable.
If its miztef/thesp then Thesp can't be it since he's dead
which leaves Miztef
the guy who claimed an innocent investigation on you.
congrats you fingered you scumpartner.
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yes i have the option of replacing the dead.
and Glork. THAT IS MY BLOODY POINT THAT IS WHY A COP MAKES NO SENSE IN THIS SETUP. IF THERE IS A COP THEN THE MASONPAIR STRATEGY PRETTY MUCH FORCES A TOWN WIN.
IF THE TOWN HAS A COP THEN THEY DONT NEED TO PROVE MASONS BY LYNCHING.
THE ONLY WAY THIS SETUP MAKES ANY SENSE BALANCE WISE IS IF THERE IS NO COP TO PROVE MASONHOOD WITH IN A WAY THAT IS NOT LYNCH.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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I'm the "Wonder Cat" this means I can do anything. Whatever the town needs I can do. Because of this I take over someone's job for them after they go down.(Honestly the idea of a cat that works for the police sending notes to people with questions on them is much much worse in terms of flavor than what I have)Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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In fact what I want to know is why you chose to push for CC's lynch when you could've TESTED HIS GUILT/INNOCENCE with a nightchoice that could've potentially saved the lives of TWO townies.
What makes NO SENSE to me is why aCOPwould push for a lynch of a Mason when the cop KNOWS he can investigate for guilt later.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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wait so if you're saying 2 masons act incredibly scummy, the protown play is to LYNCH one of them day one INSTEAD of investigate on night one?(This is incredibly shoddy logic, lynching a claimed mason is NEVER a slam dunk when an investigative option is available)
It is just incredilby stupid to lynch a claimed mason on day 1, if they are actually scum, the cop will find them and the game will be a slam dunk win for the town since 2 scum go down right away after cop reveals investigation. It DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THOSE TWO MASONS ARE DOING, AS SOON AS THEY CLAIM MASON THEY SHOULD BECOME COMPLETELY UNTOUCHABLE AT SUCH AN EARLY STAGE IN THE GAME.
What is thin about my theory Nai?
I didn't say that Glork was setting up this SPECIFIC thing since day 1, my point was that Glork had been setting up for a Lepton Gambit with his Messenger role since day 1, it just HAPPENS that LyLo is happening today, if your role hadn't existed, he'd be pulling the same stunt tommorrow.
Don't you think it's just a little bit of a coincidence that our "cop" happens to get innocents the previous days and just happens to hit his "guilty" exactly on LyLo?
Oh and on the nightkill thing, Massive IS less confirmed than Carbon Copy and Primate is an obvious nonfactor since his power is worthless in the endgame anyway.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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Bolded in above quote is my response to Glork.Glork wrote:Well, Skruffs... yes, I'm fishing.
I am confident that there is no Mafia Roleblocker or Mafia Redirector. I think that they would have just chosen to screw with my night action if there were one.
Look at this from our point of view, does this setup make any bloody sense if the mafia were completely toothless and had no way of screwing with us in the endgame?
If you or Carbon Copy can kill, then we have two possible courses of action:
1) Lynch Pooky. If he is town, Theo vigges Glork and Skruffs/CC vigges Miztef. We would both necessarily be scum, given that I would've lied about my investigation, and Miztef would have lied about me being Fred/Innocent.
2) LynchMEtoday. Once I turn up as a Cop, then Pooky could be vigged by Theo, and DGB could be vigged by you/CC. We would avoid the insta-loss, unless DGB is not actually scum. And the way she's sided with Pooky, it's pretty obviously balls-to-the-wall that they're trying to push for a mislynch/victory against me. But if we can foil their plan by going two-for-one, I think we're in good shape, unless my math is horribly wrong or DGB is completely terrible at this game.
Ok then Glork, tell me WHY mizteftown would choose to withhold a ONE SHOT INVESTIGATION UNTIL AFTER YOU COME UNDER FIRE.
(Of course, now that I think about it, this also fails if Skruffs is the Godfather and simply lies to us, so I'm not even confident that I'd trust a response coming from him -- really, I want to hear from Carbon Copy.)
Anyway, the idea is that if,even in the event of a mislynch, we can set up for *AT LEAST* one scumbag to die via vigging, then we are *NOT* in LyLo, and we can TEST my claim (to an extent... I suppose it's possible that Pooky and I could both be gambiting scum) by simply lynching either one of us. Now obviously, I would suggest Pooky in this case (claimed Cop versus claimed Replacement, and one of us must be scum)... but that's really up to the rest of the town to decide.
Again, I can see the only reason for you to be gambitting like this is if you had some way around our vig or if our vig was actually a scumbuddy of yours and I honestly don't see how it is unlikely that a town this powerful is up against scum that are so completely powerless to stop them
Pooky wrote:It is just incredilby stupid to lynch a claimed mason on day 1, if they are actually scum, the cop will find them and the game will be a slam dunk win for the town since 2 scum go down right away after cop reveals investigation. It DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THOSE TWO MASONS ARE DOING, AS SOON AS THEY CLAIM MASON THEY SHOULD BECOME COMPLETELY UNTOUCHABLE AT SUCH AN EARLY STAGE IN THE GAME. [/qoute]If you believe this to be true, why didn't youSAYanything on Day One?
I REPLACED into the game, by the time I had finished rereading everything you guys had already lynched Zindaras
This is a ridculous insinuation. The odds of me getting a guilty the first night were, assuming 3 scum, 3/12. The odds of me getting a guilty the second night were slightly better than 3/11 (for a non-random investigation). The odds of me getting a guilty last night would have been significantly better than 3/8.Pooky wrote:Don't you think it's just a little bit of a coincidence that our "cop" happens to get innocents the previous days and just happens to hit his "guilty" exactly on LyLo?
3/4*7/11*3/8 is 63/352 which is almost as bad as 1 in 6. I'm just saying its suspicious that this just happens to be the string of events that gives you your "guilty" on the LyLo day. I'm not saying its HORRIBLY unlikely. I'm just saying it's a bit of a coincidence
Are you saying that statistically speaking, getting Innocent, Innocent, Guilty is an anomoly? A coincidence? Are you saying that after two day/night cycles of investigations, lynchings, andobservations of behavior, it's mere chance that a Cop might hit a guilty on the third time around?
I never said anomaly, I said suspicious. I hold you to a better standard than 1 in 3 mr. paragon
Because if you are, you're either an idiot or you're being deliberately misleading. And I know, sir, that you are not an idiot.
Now Pooky's trying to have his cake *AND* eat it, too. Now he is trying to discredit the validity/innocence of an effective mason-pair, whereas earlier he was claiming that having several mason-pairs was broken in favor of the town (which would only be the case if they could be confirmed innocent).Pooky wrote:Oh and on the nightkill thing, Massive IS less confirmed than Carbon Copy and Primate is an obvious nonfactor since his power is worthless in the endgame anyway.
Primate (town) vouched for certainty that Massive was town. This is known. Massive cannot get much more "confirmed" than that. I'll grant you that Massive may have been "less confirmed" than CC if you compare like 98% to 100%, but that's an insignificant difference. Again, you're trying to misrepresent the facts to suit your own purposes.
It's a technicality sure but it is still valid. More importantly DO YOU DENY THAT A COP WHO HAS MESSAGE SENDING ABILITY TO CONFIRM HIM IN A SETUP WITH seven Pseudomasons who can be cleared together is LUDICIROUSLY overpowered for the town? If you do deny that this is ludicriously overpowered for the town, then TELL ME HOW MAFIA WILL SURVIVE DAY ONE MASSCLAIM! Because there is NO WAY this setup could be so imbalanced and still pass review
Here is my response to Nai.
Yes it may seem that some of the things I have said are random and must be true, but I know this must be so
Here are the possible mafia abilities that could turn what Glork is saying as a testable lynch into not an actually testable one:
1)Theo is lying scumbag and not vigilante
2)Scum have a roleblocker
3)Scum have a doctor
4)Glork is an unnightkillable scum
5)Scum have some kind of Day ending mechanism
6) Scum have a one shot daykill
7) Scum have some kind of redirector that can change the targetting of the vigilante
8) Scum have a bus driver that can swap Glork and another player so that the nightkill hits the other player
9) We are facing a 4 player scumgroup
Any of the above are perfectly valid reasons for why Glork is gambitting and why Theo wont be able to retal kill glork for the mislynch on me. It is simply inexplicable to me that the scumteam we are facing could be entirely powerless and be unable to prevent the kill because I KNOW I AM PROTOWN AND GLORKS MOVE DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME IF HE CANT PREVENT HIMSELF FROM BEING VIGGED THE NIGHT AFTER.
But you do NOT have the same information as I do that I am protown.
That is why I am asking you to CONSIDER for a second what type of power the town has.
SUPPOSEDLY THE TOWN HAS SEVEN PSEUDO MASONS WHO CAN BACK EACH OTHER UP.
IF YOU BELIEVE GLORK THEN THE TOWN ALSO HAS A COP WHO CAN CONFIRM HIS ROLE BY BASICALLY HAVING HIS RESULTS POSTED IN THE THREAD.
Does this not seem just a little bit too overpowered? How DO the scum survive the massclaim day 1 with every1 backing each other up and a confirmable cop who can CLAIM WITHOUT BEING PUBLIC ABOUT IT BY SIMPLY HAVING IT STATED IN THE NIGHTMESSAGE HE SENDS OUT NOT COMPELTELY WIPE THE SCUM OUT? It simply is incomprehensible to me that the town could possibly have a COP who can confirm himself with that many mason pairs/triplets!! The scum have ZERO chance of winning after the day 1 massclaim and that simply is NOT a game, the likelihood of such a setup passing review is absolutely NILL.
Heck take out the cop, let's say you don't know if Glork is the cop, then look at the 7 players in masonpairs/triplets. Do you honestly believe the scum have none of the nine possible abilities I've listed above that may let them pretty much smash the town completely? Do you think that a setup with such toothless scum against such a loaded town would pass setup review?
If you do I honestly have nothing more to say to you. I am NOT pulling random shit out of my ass in order to save myself. I am being VERY LOGICAL about this. IT SIMPLY DOES NOT MAKE SENSE AS A SETUP FOR THE SCUM TO HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE TO BEAT THE TOWN.
YOU CAN BURY YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND DECIDE TO BELIEVE THE SCUM HAVE NONE OF THE POSSIBLE ABILITIES THAT WOULD LET THEM GET AWAY WITH A LEPTON GAMBIT RIGHT NOW BUT THAT IS JUST WISHFUL THINKING AND YOU WILL BE DISAPPOINTED IN THE END!!!Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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Miztef
I know you're confused right now about supporting your scumbuddy.
But usually in a game of mafia
when the "cop" claims a "guilty" on a player
and you have an investigation that confirms that the cop is a cop
then you usually are voting with the cop on that player.
But you're clearly confused about how much you're supposed to support your scumpartner.
which is why you waited so long.
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I believe you're town because you'd need ot be for the scum to be pulling this shit off.
So I'll try to be very very clear with you.
1) Are you honestly saying its more likely given the power level of the claimed town that the scum are completely toothless? Yes my theory relies on the scum having some kind of power, but you do realize that this setup would be HORRIBLY UNBALANCED AND NEVER WOULD HAVE PASSED ANY REVIEW IF THE SCUM DIDNT HAVE SUCH ANY POWER BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE COMPLETELY WIPED OUT BY THE TOWN?
Yes my theory relies on the scum having power, but given the power level of the town do you honestly expect scum to not have power?
2) I was NOT contesting Miztef's claim of innocent result on Glork but the TIMING of the claim. IF YOU ARE A ONE SHOT COP YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO FUCKING INCENTIVE TO WAIT TO GIVE OUT YOUR INFORMATION BECAUSE THERE IS NO POINT!! IT IS A ONE SHOT ABILITY ITS NOT LIKE YOU NEED OT HIDE FROM THE SCUM IN CASE THEY SHOOT YOU TO PREVENT A FURTHER INVESTIGATION!!! HE SHOULD HAVE CLAIMED FIRST THING IN THE MORNING RIGHT AWAY. INSTEAD HE CLAIMS THIS INVESTIGATION RIGHT AFTER ALL HELL BREAKS LOSE AND GLORK COMES UNDER MASSIVE ATTACK.
He's also saying that it was his first oppurtunity, I think it's crap, but if you want to believe him, it's your loss.
3)
I know this to be true BECAUSE MY ROLE PM SAYS I AM PROTOWN AND THE ONLY REASON GLORK WOULD GO AFTER ME LIKE THIS IS IF HE WAS SCUM AND HAD SOME WAY TO COVER HIS ASS AND FORCE A WIN AFTER THE MISLYNCH I ALREADY !@#$ING EXPLAINED IT READ MY !@#$ING POST.
4) OCCAMS RAZOR? HAVE YOU SEEN THE GAME SETUP THATS BEEN REVEALED SO FAR? DOES ANYTHIGN ABOUT THIS GAME SEEM SIMPLE TO YOU ? ARE YOU !@#$ING KIDDING ME!?!?
5) It isn't a misrepresentation, according to Miztef he was masons with Thesp who could confirm him and Miztef could confirm Buddy, that's 3 then Carbon is Masoned with Himself. And Primate knows he needs money and chances are whoever is giving him money aint scum cuz a acartoon having money makes no sense and a scum would not give money to a protown role in the first bloody place so that's 7.
6) How are they NOT that powerful? here's a hypothetical situation: they all claim day 1
HOW DO YOU BEAT THAT AS SCUM?
7) right because the scum would SO RATHER USE THEIR ABILITY RIGHT AWAY INSTEAD OF SAVING IT FOR THE ENDGAME WHERE IT WOULD HAVE MAXIMUM EFFECT YOU MAKE SO MUCH SENSE.
i want ot honestly kick you
did you even read my post?
DONT !@#$ING TELL ME THAT I NEED RANDOM THINGS TO HAPPEN
WHAT I ACTUALLY NEED IS ONE THING TO BE TRUE
THE SETUP IS BALANCED
THAT IS THE ONLY THING I NEED TO BE TRUE
GIVEN THAT THIS WAS MADE BY A HUMAN BEING AND ALSO REVIEWED AND PASSED BY ANOTHER HUMAN BEING I HONESTLY DONT !@#$ING KNOW HOW THE !@#$ YOU CAN DECIDE TO SAY THAT THE SETUP BEING BALANCED IS A "RANDOM THING"
IF YOU THINK I AM BLOWING SMOKE OUT OF MY ASS LIKE CRAZY THEN STOP
STOP
STOP
STOP
Just think right now what the setup would be if Miztef/Glork are telling the Truth and I am actually Scum.
3 Masons in Thesp/Miztef/Buddy
2 Masons in Carbon/Zind
2 Masons in Primate/Massive.
Message from Glork that gives 1 innocent.
Massclaim Day 1. Masons get paired
What do scum do?
GIVE ME ONE WAY THEY COULD POSSIBLY AVOID LOSING WITHOUT HAVING SOME TYPE OF INCREDIBLE POWER THAT YOU ARE DENYING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE.
If they can't win then it isn't a BALANCED SETUP.
If it isn't a BALANCED SETUP then it ISNT THE SETUP WE ARE PLAYING WITH BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT HAVE PASSED SETUP REVIEW
THIS LEADS TO A CONTRADICTION WHICH CAN ONLY MEAN THAT GLORK/MIZTEF ARE LYING THROUGH THEIR BLOODY TEETH.
I CANT FATHOM WHY ANY PROTOWN PLAYER WOULD BE THINKING OF LYNCHING ME
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Wow
I don't think I've ever been more angry except for maybe MAD Mafia.
It's the exact same town goes crazy lynches pooky despite MASSIVE LOGICAL DEFICIENCIES IN THE LYNCH and then loses thing happening all over again.
Ok then point me to a SINGLE THEMED MINI GAME(on this site) WHERE TOWN CAN AUTOWIN AFTER A MASSCLAIM ON DAY ONE.Nai wrote:Stop using the 'this couldn't pass review' excuse! It doesn't NEED to pass review, first of all. I've had games just done without review. Don't ask like a review is end-all be-all.
No, I already said, I don't think that they're toothless. But I don't think that they're as powerful as you claim.
It's not RANDOM to assume that the setup IS BALANCED IN THE SENSE THAT THE SCUM AREN'T COMPLETELY WIPED OUT BY A MASSCLAIM.
Yes, it absolutely reeks of scum waiting to see which way the wind would turn before making his move. If he actually did make such an investigation why didn't he vote me on his first post?nai wrote:It was his first post of the day. Are you saying he was lurking for no reason?
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO ASKED ME HOW I KNEW. I !@@#$ING ANSWERED YOU QUESTION. DONT TELL ME TO STOP USING SOMETHING WHEN THE ONLY REASON I DID WAS BECAUSE YOU !@#$ING ASKED ME HOW I KNEW.Nai wrote:
This whole section relies on me believing you are protown. If I don't believe you, there's no point in you continuing to say "My role PM says I'm protown." I have no way of checking to see what your PM says, so there's no point continuing to say it. It means nothing to me. Sto using it
Except the Solution would also directly indicate that this game is something that is imbalanced against the scum completely and which never would've passed a review which then indicates that it couldn't possibly be the setup we are playing so that's a contradiction.Nai wrote: The game doesn't need to be simple for Occam's Razor to apply. The principle applies to the SOLUTION, not to the problem.
Wow, you honestly don't get basic strategy 101? MIZTEF KNEW "BUDDY" WAS IN THE GAME, MIZTEF KNEW BUDDY ISN"T A CARTOON CAT BUT A REAL DOG. THUS MIZTEF KNOWS BUDDY=/=SCUM AND ALL MIZTEF HAS TO DO TO "MASON" BUDDY IS TO SAY "HEY I KNOW BUDDY IS IN THE GAME AND PROTOWN CAN SOMEONE CLAIM HIM PLEASE, if scum claim buddy they get counterclaimed and lynched so they get buddy in the masonry"Nai wrote: Unles I'm missing something, Miztef could NOT confirm Buddy. He wanted buddy to DIE. That's not the action of a mason group. Get your facts straight.
OR EVEN MORE ADVANCED STRATEGY MIZTEF COULD SAY "I KNOW THERE IS A REAL DOG IN THE GAME AND THAT HE IS INNOCENT THAT DOG SHOULD CLAIM TO FORM AN OPEN MASONRY WITH ME THEN BUDDY CLAIMS AND CLAIMS HIS NAME SO MIZTEF CONFIRMS THE NAME AND THEN WHAMMO a 3 way masonry is formed.
I'm using Masonry very losely right now as a term that means "2 or more people who can confirm the innocence of each other"
when I said 7 players were masoned I mean these 7 "players" have the ability to confirm each others innocence which menas that the guilt of one would implicate hte other directly.
Scum can't afford to come out like this because to fake claim mason means that getting caught = 2 scum dead.
With 7 out of 13 "players" confirming each other. It would be absolutely clockwork to simply lynch everyone who isnt a mason while a cop scans everybody else.
I have read the day. I have put a massive amount of thought into this game, probably more than anyone else, if you don't understand something I've said, trying thinking about it a little more. Yes Primate doesn't know if Massive is scum or not according to his role, but given that there are cats who have inherited large fortunes and a cartoon cat isn't "rich" because it isn''t "real" and thus can't have "real" money it isn't a stretch to say that he knows his investor is indeed rich up the ass and actually real. He can ID massive simply by openly claiming in the thread and confirm at night, scum can't fake it because they'd totally screw up in the night exchange.nai wrote: There's no way for Primate to know that Massive is town. There's no way for Massive to know that Primate is town. Primate only knew that the person he was sending messages to (remember, he didn't even know it was massive, just an investor) had money, and Massive only knew he was answering someone. Read the day, get the facts, and stop making it up.
No I wouldnt but I sure would get the cop to investigate them one by one while sweeping the rest of the town with lynches. and that sir is GG scum.nai wrote: As Glork said: Would you really believe all that claimed day 1? I think not.
Tell me how you would defend against such a massclaim followed up by a lynching the minority along with a one by one investigation of the masons which will clear them in 3 days in worst case scenario and 2 days if the cop had investigated any one of the 7 in the first day 0Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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Ok Nai
Since we're going to do strategy lets go
7 Masons 6 Non Masons
Town lynches non Mason Cop investigates 1 mason group scum kills a mason.
-> 6 Masons 5 Non Masons.
At this point if cop investigated diff group from scum kill then that's 2 mason groups cleared. And only one group left to clear. If they hit the same group(1/3 chance)
then we are at
1-2 confirmed Masons 4-5 nonconfirmed masons and 5 nonmasons.
Town lynches another nonmason
scum kills the other cleared mason and cop finds another mason group innocent.
we are now at 4 nonmasons and 3 confirmed masons and 2 nonconfirmed ones(the last group).(keep in mind im assuming all mislynches in the nonmason region)
lynch in the nonmason region followed by another mason biting the dust and the last group is confirmed.
-=>3 nonmasons and 4 confirmed masons.
Good game scum lose even if town mislynched all 3 times.
Confirming Masons by "lynching" them however is quite idiotic and kinda voids this slam dunk win for the town i'll agree with you. Note that I'm using the worst case scenario imaginable(that the cop who investigates on n0 not only misses one of the 7 masons but also happens to investigate the same group as the one the scum kill)
Oh yea and I'm also not counting the fact that the nonmason lynches will hit scum higher prob since they wouldnt hit the d0 investigative target or the cop who can confirm himself.
Oh yea and if the cop does somehow die after being outted that still leaves enough masons/investigated innocent to outweigh and smash the scum.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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addressing Glork now,
DGB isn't exactly the most careful of players. I can see her contradicting herself as town just as likely as if she was scum, I'm confident that she's town in this game because she's defending me after I'm coming under heavy attack from you and because I bloody know I am a protown role.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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Primate backed Miztef where?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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and i didnt say both masons are scum...Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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ok nai
show me a single game other than this one where town lynched a claimed mason on day 1.
Hell show me a game other than this one where town has lynched a claimed mason who was ACTUALLY A MASON ON ANY DAY.
The reason towns dont lynch claimed masons is because IT CAN CONFIRM TWO PLAYERS OR THREE PLAYERS WITH ONE INVESTIGATION!(AND ALSO BECAUSE SCUM DONT FREAKING FAKECLAIM MASON ANYWAY, HECK SHOW ME ONE GAME WHERE SCUM FAKECLAIMED MASON ON THIS SITE AND GOT AWAY WITH IT) IF THE SCUM ARE SHOOTING INTO THE POWER ROLES LIKE THAT THEN THEY WILL GET VOTED OUT BY THE MASONS IN THE ENDGAME.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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sigh
omfg nai
you don't lynch claimed masons to learn the alignment of both BECAUSE SCUM DONT STICK THEIR HEADS OUT AND CLAIM TO BE MASONS.
To my knowledge there has not been a SINGLE successful mason claim by scum in the HISTORY of mafiascum, it SIMPLY CANT BE DONE BECAUSE PUTTING TWO SCUM LIVES ON THE LINE LIKE THAT WHEN THERE ARE POSSIBLE COPS POSSIBLE VIGS AND POSSIBLE SKS. IF ANY OF THEM HIT YOU THEN YOU HAVE JUST LOST 2/3 of your group. WIPING OUT 2/3 of a scum group when the town finds out which masonpair was completely full of crap would completely devastate the scum AND THATS WHY SCUM NEVER BLOODY GET AWAY WITH AN MASON CLAIM EARLY IN THE GAME.
I CHALLENGE ANYBODY HERE TO GIVE ME A SINGLE GAME WHERE SCUM HAS FAKECLAIMED MASON DAYONE AND GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT ON THIS SITE.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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Oh and here's an example of what SHOULD happen if masons claim in day one.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=
Lowell/Mikanoff acted scummy as hell day one, came under fire, claimed masons and pressure instantly vanished and niether of them were lynched.
glork also happens to be in that game.
note the huge difference between his behaviour there against day 1 mason claim and his behaviour here where pushes hard as hell for their lynch.
He was town in that game, guess what he is here!Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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No I don't get you at all
What is the difference between CarbonCopy/Zindaras which is 1 player who is playing 2 characters and a mason group of 2 players?
I'd think there's an ADVANTAGE in that the CC/Zind thing can't have a scum mason because it makes no sense to give 1 player 2 alignments which makes it BETTER than the standard mason pair.
Could you tell me what the difference is? WHY does the role make more sense as a scum role?(note that if it does make more sense as a scum role its very existence would be void as lynching the alt who signed up specifically for this game would be an optimal play whenever such an alt is present which makes the creation of such a scum role entirely pointless since the bloody alt is going to be lynched on day one anyway)Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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No it is entirely different.
If Pooky says he's innocent and he is cleared by a cop investigation, the scum can wipe that out in 1 night by killing pooky
If You say Zindaras is innocent and you are cleared by a cop investigation it takes TWO nights for scum to wipe that out.
Also you are putting two LIVES on the line in terms of game lives.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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No it can't work, it has never worked and it never will work.
Consider what can happen when scum claim mason day 1:
One of them can get investigated
One of them can get nightkilled by an opposing group or SK
If either happens that's TWO scum down and the scumgroup is pretty much screwed from there on out.
and even IF they somehow luckily manage to avoid the 2 possibilities from SHEER LUCK then by the time the endgame rolls around people will begin asking why both of the masons are still alive.
It's a claim that has INCREDIBLE RISK with very little gain because NOBODY EXPECTS REAL MASONS TO LIVE TO ENDGAME ANYWAY AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THE OCCASIONAL SK WILL TAKE A SHOT AT YOU.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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So do you have an example of where mafia fakeclaimed mason on day one and got away with it?
Heck do you even have an example of where mafia fakeclaimed mason on day one period?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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Actually yes it does make me feel better to shout
this game makes me want to pull my hair out and bash my head into walls
typing in all caps relieves some of the tension I feel.
Have fun criticizing what form I type instead of actually rebuffing my logic with actual counterexamples. You can shout appeal to emotion all you want and avoid trying to counter my logic all day. You'll probably even get away with it because it's apparent that this town cares nothing for logic.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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What I find interesting about my detractors is that not one of them can produce a SINGLE GAME where mafia fakeclaimed masons on day one on this site.(let alone fakeclaimed masons and gotten away with it)
Have fun attacking my character and avoid addressing my logic.
This conversation has everything to do with the game, it deals with the strategical choices available to the town at the beginning of the game and it shows quite clearly that the town would have to have an absolutely ludicrious advantage for Glork's claimed investigation to be correct.
I find it absolutely hilarious that our claimed cop is now willing to lynch a person he doesn't have a "guilty" result on at LyLo.
Kinda makes you wonder if he has a guilty result enh?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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Un1@#$ING believable, burden of proof on you?
How the hell am I supposed to back up the "Mafia never fakeclaim masons on day 1"?
Should I go through every game in the entire mafiascum library and wave the results in your face? even if I did would you take my word that they've never done such a move?
I can tell you that in my mafia playing history of three years, I have never once seen scum go for the fake mason claim on day one on this site and that includes games I haven't played in.
I even looked up a link of a different mini game where Glork decides NOT to lynch the day one mason claimers who looked scummy as hell.
Now you can go "I don't care if the mafia never bloody fakeclaim mason on day 1" even though there is EXTENSIVE history against it as well as the obvious logical reasons as to why they wouldn't do it. But if you're going to take that route, I demand you at least provide one sample of such behaviour. To choose to stick your head in the sand and attack me regardless of these facts would be nothing less than gross negiligence on your part.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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How does this not apply to this game?
When considering the possible setup of the game, if we could remove one setup from being likely to be in play, would we not be able to then see if some claims are necesarily true?
When considering whether Mafia ever fakeclaim masons on day one, if we could conclude definitively that they never do and never will would that not land Glork's play day 1 in the serious anti town category? How is that information not relevant to the game?
Ask yourself this, how is it that on this website there has not be a SINGLE fakeclaim of masons on day 1 yet Glork leapt to the conclusion that we were dealing with such a fakeclaim here?
You can yell to the bloody heavens that they are not "masonpairs" but two "lives"(and I term lives in the sense that it takes 2 nights for the mafia to kill them and also they control 2 votes which really is all that they need to really destroy the mafia in the endgame) who can confirm each other's innocence are in every way a masonpair.
Sure it doesn't fit exactly the definition laid out by the game rules but in terms of overall game strategy they function exactly the same way.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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Yes DgB, dig your way to China and we can make sweet love under a starry night.
If I was scum, me and my scumgroup would quicklynch you, I would steal your role, we'd roleblock TheoVig shoot your cop and I'd use your vig ability on somebody and we'd win.(since that hasn't happened wouldn't it imply something about whether I'm in a scumgroup or not?)
But of course logic isn't important here. All that matters is that you have your mind set on me being scum and refuse to consider any other possibilities despite the massive amount of evidence against it.
guess i'm screwed along with the rest of this town.
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do you think i have a replacement ability?
do you think there is a scum roleblocker?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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My claim and his belief of it are 2 entirely separate things Nai, I'm trying to trap him in a contradiction now because either a) he believes i am a replacement scumbag in which case I can point out the fact that the scum haven't killed anything useful for me to replace or that we could quicklynch you FTW since I can replace you and then use your ability to win or b)he doesn't believe my replacement ability in which case I can bloody prove it by lynching you and using your investigation ability on someone who will confirm that they were approached in a dark alley tommorrow.
He dodged the question with a "possibly"
It's amazing how awesome you've beaten my "plan" consider this:
9 alive now, we lynch you -=> 8 alive I replace/vig scum NK/block vig -=> 6 alive, town lynches me =>5 alive scum NK=> 4 alive with 2 scum => scum win.
You really don't think about what you post before you post it do you?
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even though his role is a thread confirmed cop without restrictions and yours not only has incredible restrictions according to you but is all a liability in the endgame as scum can quicklynch you to win which effectively moves Lynch or Lose closer by a day.
That makes total sense...
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Then let's lynch Nai and let me prove myself. He's an endgame liability anyway and this way I'd have a chance to prove my role.
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