Mini 1638: Mafia lottery - GG

[Brian Skies]

Will catch up later.

[Brian Skies]

Sorry, been busy. Will be caught up tomorrow.

[Brian Skies]

Oh, also, eyestott proved some parts of his role (particularly being able to rig the raffle), and unless you think the setup was designed around the idea of Maf being able to completely take one lottery ability off the market, I don't know why you're wagoning him. The wagon is probably scum-driven. There was something else that concerned me about eyestott, but after some thought I didn't think it was scum-indicative (or even anti-town).

I won't stop you from lynching him, but I won't be joining that wagon either.

Be back tomorrow.

[Brian Skies]

Because your continued existence will be a distraction and give both town and scum to generate noise over what to do with you. I plan on driving my own wagon once I fully catch up (assuming you live that long).

[Brian Skies]

I'll explain my personal disinterest in lynching you tomorrow.

[Brian Skies]

Oh, one last thing. Please don't end the day before everyone gets a chance to bid on raffles. Much appreciated.

[Brian Skies]

I have DV.

Prove it. I think you won the neighborizor ability. My decision to defend you or lynch you depends on your ability to do so.

[Brian Skies]

Voting isn't hard. You can vote anyone to prove you won the DV. My issue with your "claimed" rigged ticket is that the winning number was never announced for the neighborizor ability.

[Brian Skies]

I'd also like House to vote for someone different than Eyestott.

[Brian Skies]

I'd also like House to vote for someone different than Eyestott.

House isn't voting for eyestott. What kinda weed you smokin'?

I meant I'd like House to vote for someone that Eyestott isn't voting for.

Any shenanigans and I powerlynch you both.

[Brian Skies]

I can think of a lot of things. Refusal to comply is the equivalent of a scumclaim.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Eyestott

Can't be allowed to live, especially if he can rig a gun lottery.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Heartless

[Brian Skies]

Because your continued existence will be a distraction and give both town and scum to generate noise over what to do with you. I plan on driving my own wagon once I fully catch up (assuming you live that long).

The distraction is why I'm voting for Eyes.

We lynch Brian tomorrow.

What happened to this? I thought my lynch was supposed to be chained to Eyestott.

[Brian Skies]

I don't like investing into the unknown.

[Brian Skies]

Why would scum want Sheriff?

[Brian Skies]

I think it'd be more beneficial to them to go after the lynch-immune one. Or dayvig. Sheriff doesn't do anything for them and I don't think lotteries necessarily have winners.

[Brian Skies]

Eyestott doesn't share my wincon. He can try and gamble on Sheriff, but I'm not putting tickets into something I don't want (mystery).

[Brian Skies]

And I coulda sworn he said we got to choose which one for him to bid on.

[Brian Skies]

Choose Sheriff then. We can all agree not to bid on lynchproof and turn it into a scumclaim.

[Brian Skies]

Like, I don't see a reason for Sheriff to not be the choice for Eyestott. It's the most beneficial to town and we should be sinking our tickets there. Lynchproof can be made a scumclaim because only scum should be worried about surviving from here on out. And the dayvig is arguable.

[Brian Skies]

I guess if people are curious, you can gamble on mystery, but there aren't a lot of things better than a cop result.

[Brian Skies]

I'm fine with ending the day.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: StrangerCoug

Eyestott said there were only 4 non-town in the game. The closest thing you can get to not thirdscum is an SK. And I think it's more likely someone won the gun lottery from before and just used it last night.

[Brian Skies]

Feel free to throw the game away. But I'll be sitting here voting for someone that can actually be scum.

[Brian Skies]

You'd think I would be, but I haven't really invested a whole lot this game and for the whole, I feel like my reads have actually been pretty good this game.

I'm also not one for the AtE.

[Brian Skies]

1) I don't actively bus my buddies if I think it'll get them lynched.
2) I told you the wagon was being driven by scum on Day 2. Who did you think I was referring to? Do you really think all three scum were pushing that wagon?
3) Just because you don't ask for my reads or ask me to explain my reads doesn't mean I don't have them.
4) This game has been clogged and cluttered by a giant Survivor distraction and people running around with their heads cut off because they can't handle 3p anti-town roles. This has hampered my ability to make sense of people's motivations because both scum and town have been advocating Eyestott's death.
5) I couldn't give a shit what you want to do with me because I've already dealt with the stubborn "my reads are gold" type in lylo before. If you think I'm scum, you're not going to lynch anyone else because of your confbias, and I'm not wasting my energy preventing my mislynch or trying to convince you to lynch someone else. Because you're not going to listen to me and my posting this game has been pretty bare. Fun note: I'm not this lazy as scum and I know how to fake town sounding reads.

[Brian Skies]

1) Really? Because with all the dead and confirmed townies screaming for Eyestott's head, I think he had a chance of slipping off into the sunset with that one.
2) Okay.
3) I haven't had a reason to. Why do I need to give out my reads? I've been actively using my vote since I caught up and the wagons that were run up since I caught up were ones I was okay with (a claimed Survivor and a scumread, not really much to argue against).
4) I only lynched Eyestott because you wanted to give him a gun. Something about mislynching a townie and the survivor shooting a townie so he could joint with scum at 8p freaked me out.
5) I'd be playing against my wincon as either alignment by not convincing you to not lynch me. I could sit here and be defensive and tell you you're wrong, but I'd rather put my efforts to lynching scum.
5a) I've been getting mislynched in a bunch of lylos recently despite having good reads. It's not a reach out. It's one of those "here we go again" moments.

[Brian Skies]

Oh, and there was that one Newbie game where I had to mislynch the guy I thought was town in mylo because he wouldn't vote for anyone else except for me.

[Brian Skies]

3) I agree that more information is good for town. But there's no golden rule saying I have to give reads as town. And you guys could have asked me why I was voting for who I was voting and such and such. But you didn't, so don't go around saying "you didn't give reads, you're scum" because it's a fallacy and I only give them out when I want to.
4) He could just not vote and no one would get lynched. Then scum could just win with a nightkill. As far as who he'd shoot, he'd probably just shoot someone he thought was incredibly townish. If he shoots scum, then no big deal because he can just ride some towncred.
5) Look. I've already told you. If you're town, you're confbiasing and you're not going to lynch anyone but me regardless of what I say.

[Brian Skies]

Serious question? How about the person sitting on the lynchproof after we all told her it was a scumclaim? (By the way, if someone has the dayvig, it only says she's immune to the lynch)

[Brian Skies]

I'd consider Lynch Overflow, but only because they've been sitting on Mathblade and Heartless scumreads this game. But that would mean they've been looking for some heavy towncred this game.

[Brian Skies]

I'd consider Lynch Overflow, but only because they've been sitting on Mathblade and Heartless scumreads this game. But that would mean they've been looking for some heavy towncred this game.

Can you reword this so it makes a point?

I'd consider Lynch Overflow being scum because it's possible they're playing above their skill level and were looking for heavy towncred. But I don't think that's the case.

[Brian Skies]

Brian-explain your scumread on StrangerCoug.

His posts and positions feel forced to me.

[Brian Skies]

Eyestott said there were only 4 non-town in the game. The closest thing you can get to not thirdscum is an SK. And I think it's more likely someone won the gun lottery from before and just used it last night.

VOTE: Brian Skies

I am not letting you say this without backing up your words. Why do you suspect I, in particular, am an SK? Why do you think I, in particular, won the gun lottery?

I didn't say I thought you were an SK. And that was in response to:

That's easy enough you're probably the one who bus drove me. Two unexplained kills and you go for what you can paint. I wouldn't be surprised if you were the busdriver.

I'm going to sleep and I hope you wake up and come to your senses. Only one death which probably means probably 2 teams of two so I'm guessing that I'm fucked as town and playing kingmaker. In that case make your arguments as to who should win...Go ahead and claim har har nothing I can do to stop the derptastrophe. It would be pathetic if the entire game we only got one mafia. *sigh* Let's at least determine the winner House instead of cross bullshitting.

Assume 2v2 who are the teams and why (oh and assume I'm town and you're town)?

[Brian Skies]

1) Bullshit. Even if I was scum doesn't explain how there were two kills.

day 2:

pasive: attack immunity
gain immunity to all attack overnight

power: 1-shot gun
gain a gun to use in the night

protection: doctor
protect soemone at night, if sucessful both you and the target will be informed

invest: lookout
camp outside of someones house and see all who visit them

others: N/A

AND NOW THE WINNING NUMBERS!

passive:41

power: 99

protection: 3
invest: 74

black lotto: 61
black lotto: 11

check your numbers to see if you have won.

Also, I asked Ika on Day 2 why Eyestott was a DV and one of the lotteries was still missing. Apparently, if no one buys a ticket for a lottery, the winning number isn't announced. So for the most part, people have been buying tickets for all the powers.

[Brian Skies]

1) Bullshit. Even if I was scum doesn't explain how there were two kills.

day 2:

pasive: attack immunity
gain immunity to all attack overnight

power: 1-shot gun
gain a gun to use in the night

protection: doctor
protect soemone at night, if sucessful both you and the target will be informed

invest: lookout
camp outside of someones house and see all who visit them

others: N/A

AND NOW THE WINNING NUMBERS!

passive:41

power: 99

protection: 3
invest: 74

black lotto: 61
black lotto: 11

check your numbers to see if you have won.

Also, I asked Ika on Day 2 why Eyestott was a DV and one of the lotteries was still missing. Apparently, if no one buys a ticket for a lottery, the winning number isn't announced. So for the most part, people have been buying tickets for all the powers.

Or eyestott bought DV to "claim" rigging since no one probably put tickets into it and then stole mystery for himself and lied to us. Then the gun got purchased by scum. That makes sense. Which makes House still scum perfect since he said that was a scum claim

See I can pull a House too

There wasn't a winning number for the mystery power either. Did Eyestott come back from the grave to rig that one too?

[Brian Skies]

Wrong. I sunk all my points in DV to test his claim.

Nice try, but yet another fail from scum!Math.

You sinking all your points into a lottery doesn't make it true because he could have just gotten lucky. Circumstantially, however, I believe he was telling the truth about winning the lottery because he claimed the winning number before it was announced.

[Brian Skies]

1) Bullshit. Even if I was scum doesn't explain how there were two kills.

day 2:

pasive: attack immunity
gain immunity to all attack overnight

power: 1-shot gun
gain a gun to use in the night

protection: doctor
protect soemone at night, if sucessful both you and the target will be informed

invest: lookout
camp outside of someones house and see all who visit them

others: N/A

AND NOW THE WINNING NUMBERS!

passive:41

power: 99

protection: 3
invest: 74

black lotto: 61
black lotto: 11

check your numbers to see if you have won.

Also, I asked Ika on Day 2 why Eyestott was a DV and one of the lotteries was still missing. Apparently, if no one buys a ticket for a lottery, the winning number isn't announced. So for the most part, people have been buying tickets for all the powers.

Or eyestott bought DV to "claim" rigging since no one probably put tickets into it and then stole mystery for himself and lied to us. Then the gun got purchased by scum. That makes sense. Which makes House still scum perfect since he said that was a scum claim

See I can pull a House too

There wasn't a winning number for the mystery power either. Did Eyestott come back from the grave to rig that one too?

He said he can rig from the grave. He doesn't have to.

When did he claim this? The only thing I remember is him saying he could bid on a lottery and try to achieve his wincon from the grave.

[Brian Skies]

What CC claim?

[Brian Skies]

Because he didn't say he could. If he was trying to achieve his wincon, why lie about it?

[Brian Skies]

It's also possible Eyestott just didn't take the gun. He did say he could change his mind, as demonstrated on Day 1 when he said he moved the lottery from neighborizor to DV.

[Brian Skies]

I agree that lynchproof and dayvig are essentially scum claims. I am not holding off voting Heartless because I need to fix my mistakes and own up to them.

And this is why MathBlade dies D5.

Except I didn't purchase it? WTF :/

I'm guessing that mystery had to have been a busdriver. Seriously house...This is fucking stupid. Why would I say something is an out and out scum claim and then do that damn thing in a way everyone could see?

The obvious answer is because you didn't expect vote counts to scream that you were immune to a lynch. Saying why would you do it in a way that everyone could see is disingenuous because none of us knew that fact at the time of the raffle.

It surprised you and caught you off guard, and now you're trying to use it as a defense.

That's easy enough you're probably the one who bus drove me. Two unexplained kills and you go for what you can paint. I wouldn't be surprised if you were the busdriver.

I'm going to sleep and I hope you wake up and come to your senses. Only one death which probably means probably 2 teams of two so I'm guessing that I'm fucked as town and playing kingmaker. In that case make your arguments as to who should win...Go ahead and claim har har nothing I can do to stop the derptastrophe. It would be pathetic if the entire game we only got one mafia. *sigh* Let's at least determine the winner House instead of cross bullshitting.

Assume 2v2 who are the teams and why (oh and assume I'm town and you're town)?

Your interactions here with House indicate you're probably not what you're about to claim you are.

[Brian Skies]

As far as your Bus Driver theory goes, the lynchproof ability is passive. So I don't think that's a plausible explanation for you getting lynchproof against your will.

[Brian Skies]

If I am not an SK suspect, then why are you talking about an SK in this context?

Mathblade was talking about two scum teams of two. Eyestott claimed there were 9 town in this game, so if you count him as non-town, there can't be two towns of two. The only other possibility than a 3-man scumteam is a scum player on his own team (i.e. SK).

[Brian Skies]

Bus Driver

I've yet to see a bus driver in any game I've been in.

[Brian Skies]

Busdriver swaps two people's actions.

If player A targets Player B with an action.
And Player B and Player C are swapped.
Player A's action hits Player C.

Can happen with actions or inanimates. E.G. If Player C in that story was a PGO they'd still hit Player A because they were not busdriven and their immutable characteristic goes off.

It still doesn't explain how you got lynchproof despite "not bidding for it" as you claimed.

[Brian Skies]

Busdriver swaps two people's actions.

Also, I believe it swaps targets of actions, not the actions itself.

[Brian Skies]

That said, I recommend we look at math's interactions/associations to try to find her buddy, lynch who we find the most suspect and lynch math tomorrow.

I'd love for your thoughts on StrangerCoug in regards to this.

[Brian Skies]

If I am not an SK suspect, then why are you talking about an SK in this context?

Mathblade was talking about two scum teams of two. Eyestott claimed there were 9 town in this game, so if you count him as non-town, there can't be two towns of two. The only other possibility than a 3-man scumteam is a scum player on his own team (i.e. SK).

That takes care of that. Now answer the other part of my post.

I think it'd be more fun to interact and see what other people think before throwing everything down at once.

[Brian Skies]

You're wasting your breath. Math is confscum.

Town!Math feels me out and questions me. She doesn't leap to conclusions based on horrible assumptions.

Mathblade is reacting (quite badly) to being caught.

She's also been softclaiming a guilty. So there's some necessity to derail her attempts at muddying the waters.