Mini 1670 - WTF MAFIA

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*sigh*

can anyone make order while I sleep

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6860335
^^^this is what I'm looking for, or at least something similar, or even nearing anything in that level

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See, ARS, this is where you did wrong.

Suppposedly, if some asked you to nuke a specific VC you'd get their alignment, yes?
So why not use it as a 12x Daycop?

VOTE: A Royal Saint

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^^^this.

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ARS is flailing really bad. No true scotsman, anyone?
He changed his claim about 7 times by now.

ARS, you are probably lying; if you went ahead and said 'everyone ask me to nuke a vc somewhen in the game', would that suddenly make you vanilla?

And what did ika mean by 'prompted', aupposedly, lol? If you juat claimed "anyone who asks me to nuke a VC i will get their alignment' - doea that count as asking me to ask you?

Bullshit.

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*hugs*

Moar ARS voats plz

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btw
re: Jeanne
in the queue someone sid that Jeanne lurks and drops out of games and all

so this might not be scum-pointing.

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Lol
Mcmenno is yhe dayvig third parteh
Just lybch alrdy

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shos: do you think mcmenno is a survivor restless spirit with a dayvig-shot? I find this hard to believe in combination with his early claim. It also doesn't fit. I should first mention that 'scum' to me is an anti-town role with killig ability. So a 3rd party dayvig or a SK, or whatever else ika can come up with, or ofcourse the mafia team. Not a survivor, who just has to stay alive until the end of the game to win. Now it could be that mcmenno claimed survivor because of the expected 3rd parties, but as a dayvig he could have gotten towncred, and if he does have restless spirit as the dayvig instead of being survivor, being killed by mafia shouldn't matter to him because then he can get them to lose in the afterlife and then still win himself. And mcmenno said he wanted to do that, although I'll have to see that first before I believe it. There's a really small possibility of mcmenno being mafia but I don't really see them claiming a role where they put themselves in a position to be a policy lynch at some point, even with the restless spirit role.

uh, lol, no?
I think McMenno is a scum SK, probably BP, whose shot is a dayshot. what he claimed is just general bullshit to prevent him from dying.

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This post is referring to 1564-1574.

Re: Jeanne - I should do the meta check when I get the time. if it appears that, she should be banned, because such personal meta is not allowed by site rules, but anyway - other than her being scum it heavily implies Tere is town.

Re Menno - I don't think we should deal with him yet. still dangerous, and we still have lots of other stuff to do and focus on. so keep these thoughts for later.
Since I cannot die, I will keep your posts in mind if you do.

I agree almost fully with the readslist by Tere in 1569. almost COMPLETELY. The only takeback i have here is Jeanne, which is not obvscum to me yet, and should stand in a 'to be investigated' section on her own.

BRantz - I played with you before. You weren't as lurkish. Y U NO PLAY?

also, gimme a scumgame of yours?

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ARS, for fuck's sake, do you still not realize that there are only 4 bad guys in this setup? honestly?

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^^^this should be, maybe, 'do you think that you pretending to not realize this would make me think you are town?'

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Good.

Lynch ahoy.

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I like how when you write ARS without caps it looks like arse

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Omfg.

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I wont answer that yet.

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So uh
Who is still alive? Anyone got time to make a good, ordered list of claims like I wanted?

I dont even have time to mod my game lol

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I dunno. Still in shock from recent deaths.

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I guess I am up fot lynching Jeanne and/or Brantz.

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Jeanne, that's a bad post, and we're practically 1600 posts into the game, I expect more of you if you are town.

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Paranoia.

Also I am noy satisfied with brantz' activity, and dont want to end the day like this. This town is failing miserably. McMenno, any input from you on Jeannr?

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And who might that obvgroupscum be? With whom?

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Everyone claims they are town. that's why it's useless to say that. suspecting someone because he isn't conftown s stupid too because nobody is conftown. you've done nothing so far.

However, my gut says it's just a VI thing. fi it was a scum tactic, then after failing with everyone and getting so close to lynch, it would change. the fact it didn't makes me think it's genuine VI.


Do you guys think we should lynch Menno now? we have 3 scum alive right now, I don't see how this game isn't over.

VOTE: McMenno

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Lynching the 3rd party now will bring us much cloaer to lylo tha a mislynch. Also, Jeanne is not a misslynch.

do you realize we are 6 people and 3 scums in them?

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liek, if Menno was telling the truth, there are 2 groupscum, 1 lonescum, and 1 survivor, vs 2 townies.

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oh lol I counted badly :X

still, if there is 8 alive, and 3 are scum, and menno is 3rd party, then we're doomed either way. that means Menno is lying. 4/8 antitown should be game over by now.

VOTE: McMenno

@Drixx: the letters on the VMC are too small. I need you to also send me a magnifying glass or something like that

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Wanderer and mcmenno scumbutts

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there are obviously stuff that can prevent this from being game end. But I realy find it unlikely, considering that we've all claimed so all the townies probably didn't lie, which means we don't quite have the power to prevent this from game ending if all the scums claim and McMenno cooperates.

I doubt this is the setup, and I think Menno is the lone scum, and I want him gone.

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Doesn't it bother you guys that Jeanne is at L-2 as a policy+illegalsitemeta(?!) lynch after two days already? who does policy lynches so deep into the game?

And I repeat:
If this was a scum tactic then it would probably not cotinue once it's been made pressured. That is why I think this is a genuine frustrated Jeanne trying to play town.

Spoiler: Offtopic

Jeanne, you should really join newbie games if you need practice on how to actually play town and all.

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@Belle 1678:
Wanderer's going int he wrong direction imo, and that is a direction he hasn't been in yesterday. as such, any normal townie would have doubts, and not SO MUCh conviction, supposedly, in his read.

@Tere 1679-80:
This all sounds very like 'metametameta'. meta is not enough, and especialy not alignment-wise meta, which is illegal. if we lose this game because of this, Jeanne should be banned from joining more games, and should focus on newbies. You say that she doesn't give a fuck as town, and since she seems to give a fuck here (?? where..? by not replacing out..?) she is scum. This is not nearly good enough Jeanne's version is much more likely, that she's trying, and just doesn't quite know how to do it.

You also haven't responded to my reasoning earlier:
if this was a scum tactic, then it would stop by the time her wagon gets too dangerous. But the ignorancy doesn't stop, you see?
refer here:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 3&sr=posts
This is all her posts sitewide. Refer to any completed game - the posts are ignorant and unmotivated, regardless of alignment. THIS IS A PLAYER WHO IS STILL LEARNING BASICS OF MAFIA. not scum. And these two, pushing that angle sooo hard - Tere & Wanderer - are my current theory for groupscum, when Menno is the lone scum.

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@1681: the fact that someone once told you something doesn't make it so you remember it always. and her not replacing out as a scumtell? do you realize the catch-22 in this?? <<<scum behaviour at its best.

@BElle 1682: here's a counter for you: find me a scumgame by Jeanne and a towngame by Jeanne that show that this is her scum meta. BOTH METAS ARE THE SAME. There's not a single post in all her 321 site posts that has more than 2 lines.

@Menno 1684:
Yep, you are lonescum, Wanderer is groupscum with Tere.

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Tere, how bout you answer my post?

@Jeanne, you should find some better defenses lol. Saying "I am town" helps nobody, because scum would say that too. You need to explain why the people calling you scum are wrong, you know. Read some other game first and see. meanwhile, scumhunt here.

@ EVERYONE:

If there were 2 group scum, 1 lone scum, and McMenno, who is a survivor, then scum would all just claim and prevent us from lynching. Town have already claimed so we know that they're supposedly safe. Therefore: THIS IS NOT THE CASE.

Now, we know that there are 2 group scum and 1 lone scum. So that means the faulty piece is McMenno.

Therefore you should all be voting McMenno by now.

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Do you realize how dar fetched this is

Town massclaimed already
Theres a survivor. He has no reason to nit cooperate.

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Lol learn what a misrep is

Brantz, claim please

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Investigation helps nobody if we cannot lynch.

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^^^ כןמשךךט דםצק רקשך עםםג אם'מ פםדאןמע

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^^^Finally some real good town posting.

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No, that was really good posting.

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Drixx is town.
Anyone accounting for the nokill?

Everyoneplease post "i can win with town"

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Now is the time to talk, people.

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^^^ is not an acceptable post. the post should contain ONLY "I can win with town".

But Drixx can be excused because he is indeed town lolz

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Drixx gave me a magnifying glass, and now I know how to use what he sent me yesterday, which is apparantly a Lie Detector. I will get the results at night today. There's no way I can be dead so all we need is the game to not end until tomorrow.

everyone post what I said.

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People lurking right now arw scum hiding inplain sight, imo.

Alsi menno is still scum.

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It was a quite night as nobody died

Not lurking, thank you, just talking elsewhere. I don't believe any of this for a minute but just for you, Shos.

Took you almost two days to post a contentless post in a 7-days dsadlone lylo.

Please.

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McMenno and Tere are scum.
More sureof Mrbno, again, since 3 scum alove+survivor would end the game by now at 7p.

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PEOPLE STOP FUCKING LURKING.

If you are town,vote mcmenno.

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For fuck's sake, will anyone show me some respect and give any comment, at all, about my thought about why mcmenno is scum? please?

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Ika: Could you please make a post with the countdown tags so that I can know exactly how long there is to day end?

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Ika: Could you please make a post with the countdown tags so that I can know exactly how long there is to day end?

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ok so,
This setup has a group of 3 scums, 1 lone scum, and all the rest are either town/third parties that can win with town.
McMenno claimed to be a third-party survivor whose wincondition changes if lynched/killed to be "make sure the one who killed/hammered you loses" or something.
Till now there was only one dead scum, and he was dayvigged at D1. Nobody claimed that shot so we assume it was scum/third party.

Currently there are 7 players alive, of which 3 are scum. I think if McMenno was a survivor, they would just cooperate with him and game would be over by now. that's why I think he is lying. and am voting him
(making sure:
VOTE: McMenno
)

I am deathproof, and I've proven this on D1; Drixx is a proven inventor, he send me stuff in all the last nights. N1 was something that went boom and did nothing, N2 was a lie detector but ika changed it so that I cannot READ THE INSTRUCTIONS, so I said it here and Drixx sent me a magnifying glass, so now I can read, and I can use it today.

The others have claimed stuff as well but I don't remember,.

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If three are scum then McMenno is not a survivor, otherwise scum would just tell "Hey mcmenno, vote shos with us, we win" and win.

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Tere is for later. My Lie-detect will tell me if he can win with town or not, and I'm deathproof, so all we need is a scum lynch today for me to get the result. basically, if game doesn't end when we lynch menno, then we're in a very good position

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Seriously.
Who is vigging? XD

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"I told you so"
lolz

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Yes, spent it on you already, and cant die, so if you are scum, sorry mate!

Aaaaanyway.
Who was the neighbourhood? Who made it and when?

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PAGETOP

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PAGETOP

By this I mean "

@ika: Could you please edit the first post with dead guys, alignments and flips? no biggie.

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Why on earth would anyone think that

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ARS
Jeanne11
elusive:
Wanderer-nl
shos:

Wanderer-nl, drixx, Ricastle, elusive, jeanne, titus, bins

BRantz
titus:

ARS

Drixx:
McMenno
Bellaphant:
Ricastle:

ARS, shos,

Bins

(expired on 2015-05-26 16:00:00)

day event activated

VC have been reset, you may only vote for wander-nl or bin for the rest of the day phase, 24 hrs will be added to the clokc

"Yeah lets lynch the confirmed lynchproof that makes sense"



Tere,why not lynch mcmenno? What was faulty in the argument I previously stated?

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Also my lie detect on you will come through tonight so that should do

VOTE: mcmenno

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Uh, yup. Ill hammer.

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unvote

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^^^why?

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@Menno 1684:
Yep, you are lonescum, Wanderer is groupscum with Tere.

Ill jist lay tgis here lol

You guys are both still avoiding my question

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Also wabderer i suppose you arent going to share those reasons ya?

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how is it a 'risk' for you. it's a risk for ME to hammer YOU, not for YOU to hammer ME.

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Tere and Wanderer, would you please answer my question

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^^^ is a good poster.
Also, I think (?) I'm flattered, lol.

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Justsayin': tere posted like 10 times while avoiding an answer to my question

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Spoiler: all the related posts

Tere, how bout you answer my post?

@Jeanne, you should find some better defenses lol. Saying "I am town" helps nobody, because scum would say that too. You need to explain why the people calling you scum are wrong, you know. Read some other game first and see. meanwhile, scumhunt here.

@ EVERYONE:

If there were 2 group scum, 1 lone scum, and McMenno, who is a survivor, then scum would all just claim and prevent us from lynching. Town have already claimed so we know that they're supposedly safe. Therefore: THIS IS NOT THE CASE.

Now, we know that there are 2 group scum and 1 lone scum. So that means the faulty piece is McMenno.

Therefore you should all be voting McMenno by now.

Do you realize how dar fetched this is

Town massclaimed already
Theres a survivor. He has no reason to nit cooperate.

Investigation helps nobody if we cannot lynch.

McMenno and Tere are scum.
More sureof Mrbno, again, since 3 scum alove+survivor would end the game by now at 7p.

For fuck's sake, will anyone show me some respect and give any comment, at all, about my thought about why mcmenno is scum? please?

ok so,
This setup has a group of 3 scums, 1 lone scum, and all the rest are either town/third parties that can win with town.
McMenno claimed to be a third-party survivor whose wincondition changes if lynched/killed to be "make sure the one who killed/hammered you loses" or something.
Till now there was only one dead scum, and he was dayvigged at D1. Nobody claimed that shot so we assume it was scum/third party.

Currently there are 7 players alive, of which 3 are scum. I think if McMenno was a survivor, they would just cooperate with him and game would be over by now. that's why I think he is lying. and am voting him
(making sure:
VOTE: McMenno
)

I am deathproof, and I've proven this on D1; Drixx is a proven inventor, he send me stuff in all the last nights. N1 was something that went boom and did nothing, N2 was a lie detector but ika changed it so that I cannot READ THE INSTRUCTIONS, so I said it here and Drixx sent me a magnifying glass, so now I can read, and I can use it today.

The others have claimed stuff as well but I don't remember,.

If three are scum then McMenno is not a survivor, otherwise scum would just tell "Hey mcmenno, vote shos with us, we win" and win.

ARS
Jeanne11
elusive:
Wanderer-nl
shos:

Wanderer-nl, drixx, Ricastle, elusive, jeanne, titus, bins

BRantz
titus:

ARS

Drixx:
McMenno
Bellaphant:
Ricastle:

ARS, shos,

Bins

(expired on 2015-05-26 16:00:00)

day event activated

VC have been reset, you may only vote for wander-nl or bin for the rest of the day phase, 24 hrs will be added to the clokc

"Yeah lets lynch the confirmed lynchproof that makes sense"



Tere,why not lynch mcmenno? What was faulty in the argument I previously stated?

Uh, yup. Ill hammer.

@Menno 1684:
Yep, you are lonescum, Wanderer is groupscum with Tere.

Ill jist lay tgis here lol

You guys are both still avoiding my question

Tere and Wanderer, would you please answer my question

and still no response from tere

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Scum don't NEED majority. Nolynch is great for them and they can force it if mcmenno is survivor

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I am willing to hammer mcmenno. I think that shouldbe enough by itself.

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Do you realize that this lurking supports my theory

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I don't see how anyone can think I am scum when I am willing to hammer mcmenno.

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@wabderer:
If he is a survivor, cooperating with town is against his wincpn now.

He can cooperate with scum - preventing any lybch at all - and make sure he wins already. If he was trily a survivor, this ge qould have been over days ago. Scum know that a survovor means an extra vote for them. If this was the case - 1 surv and 2 scum whwn 6 alive means town cant lynch.

Even if scum do not want to explicitly claim, they can just not vote, and then nolynch happens again


If he is third party, then both him and the scumteam are just extremely stupid for not having won already.

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I don't understand what you don't understand.
If he was a survivor, then he wouldn't care who wins this game. In 6 players, with confirmed 2 scum alive - what would you do?

Put yourself in his shoes.
You are a claimed survivor, knowing that there are 2 scum alive, OTHER THAN YOU. So then, what do you do? keeep scumhunting? or rather...
"Hey scums, sup, let's win this, vote nolynch with me, kill a townie, and let's win this"

...instawin.

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why would they not let you live. you literally guarantee their victory; it's like an additional scum vote.

from the wiki about survivor:
"One nasty strategy at early LyLo as Survivor is to vote a Townie immediately and let the scum perform an extended quickhammer for the win."

it's like, mafia 101.

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Tere, I dont get your point

You have avoided answering the mcmenno issue repeatedly
Answer me one simple thing: why would mcmenno not do what I said?

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WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE TRY TO LYNCH 2 SCUM, WHEN HE CAN ONLY GUESS WHO THEY ARE, WHEN HE CAN JUST FORCE GG???

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If he is a sirvivor:
Option 1: lynch shos. If town, he wins. If scum, he still has 2 nights and 1 4p mylo to survive.
Option 2: cooperate with scum. Game over, wins.

How can you say that in his situ it isbetter to lynch anyone?

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@drixx: cpnsidering we have ot *mod confirmed* that 2 mafia are left, mcmenno notscum cannot ever be. Tere can be derptown, because we cant have all of {tere, wanderer} scum. So lynching any of them is stupid.

Can you remind me everyones claims

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Revisiting gamr start and bells ISO I kinda think that mcmenno is an SK.

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[As in,he is the lone scum,andhe killrd bell and flubber]
Tere, I donthave a big case fpr you, thats why I dont vpte you. I think you are 50/50 with wanderer.

Basically, and nooffense,but the reason i think you are scum is that I dpnt think any townie can be that stupid re: mcmenno

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Whats bleeding survivor in his play? Intrigue me. His input this game has beenminimal, a titbit over proddodging.

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Good point. If i was scum with drixx, lynching mcmenno would not win the game for me, because mvmenno will autovote me from.the grave, and we will be instalynched.

So now that you see this, can we proceed and have me hammer mcmenno

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Tere you keep ignoring my posts is there a reason or are yoy just scum

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Mad Citrus and wanderer should be ebough though

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Stalling because we need MC's vote and Wanderer's vote, and wanderer is stalling and MC isn't here.

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Ill gladly take this risk. If drixxis scum he earned his win.

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Stalling because we need MC's vote and Wanderer's vote, and wanderer is stalling and MC isn't here.

Yup.

Wanderer: where is your vote leaning to?

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I honestly cannot say I saw a town play so stupidly.

MC, please read past few pages andcomment

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Possible scenario:
2 scums(Tere and MC), 1 SK (McMenno), 3 town left(drixx, wanderer, shos).

This explains why there is no cooperation between McMenno and scum, but also, this means that if we lynch Menno the SK, it's like a mislynch in mylo.
Should we divert to a Tere lynch?

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So MC what you're trying to say is that you haven't read the game. Final scum doesn't exist yet, yeah?

firstly, in the first posts the mod publicly says that there are FOUR scums. three groupscum and another. Considering that we have 2 scum dead, and we don't know if they are groupscum or not, we should be assuming the worse - both groupscum. That means that currently, assuming McMenno is a survivor, half the game has antitown wincon, meaning, we've already lost. hence, MCMenno is not a survivor.

I honestly cannot believe this game went to trash like that

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Crappity crap!
we had no chance anyway xD
good game, all. Tere, I hope you know I'm right by now!

but darn, 3p scum, and 3 scum, and McMenno?!?!?! I'm in shock it actually got to 3p!

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Actually, McMenno going with town was surprising and could indeed help us win. Yeah I exaggerated. but darn, the day I got lynched, mcmenno really SHOULD have been lynched. Then we'd be in a 4p game of 2 townies, 3rd party scum and scum - so it would all depend on who he shoots, again...

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drixx you played great.

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Great setup, ika.

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It's ok mate
just the fact that you tried to play with town gives you credit enough
you could have won much more easily if you publicly announced that you cooperate with scum