Mini 1681: Pokémon Mafia (Abandoned)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

First!

LOL @Random buying the Flame Orb...

Target: Boonskiies

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1 week deadline as well.

Nice.

About time.

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did we have the ability to buy already?

How do you suspect Random has lost 10% of his health?

Did you miss mod comments?

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No voting.

Silly.

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I've mentioned that it's a warped version of a 4:9 nightless.

Is warped another word for bastard?

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You didn't think of reading the rules for a game that is entirely different from any other Mafia game on this site?

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Enough PM's are in to start however a few people are deciding wether to get an item. I'll give them (expired on 2015-06-04 00:49:33) to do

Did you miss this as well Lucky?

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Kari, you had to state it was random?

Target: Kari

Time to get serious.

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Nice attempt to discredit.

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People didn't accuse me of my target being a serious one...

I didn't say it was random either.

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Why am I town?

Are you trying to appease me now?

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@ lucky: lol

@ toffee: idk. something about your posts give off a townish vibe.

Yeah. That's not going to cut it.

VOTE: A simple plan No plan is simple unless you're scum.

Watch out for item effects as well. Town could only buy certain items, people with ones costing more have to be scum, at least before some people faint.

We can't vote. Why are you RCS'ing when we have something to talk about?

I am not voting yet as its pointless but

I can see da guy on fire to have some kind of strat with the "hand" ability (which switches items.) which can be pretty interesting. Not really sure tho. But its a weird move imo.

Z, thoughts on Kari and her town read of me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

EBWOP: Marcrell, why are you RVS'ing..

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Umm, that was super defensive...

First, you can't vote. Not in a 'that's my opinion kind of way' but in a 'that's not how this game works kind of way'

What do you think about Kari's town read on me?

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VOTE: Domino

Good to see you again, Lucky. It's been far too long. Also, why a Pokemon avatar? That's Mareep, right?

ASP, what do you make of Kari's town read of me?

Read is weird though. Maybe an appeasal. But it doesn't seem that strong to me. More of a lean, or better vote parking. Not that she really went anywhere better though.

Hmm. It's still a very early town read with no reasoning at all. I don't see how it was vote parking though?

VOTE: Prohawk

Please get here!

McMenno, what are your thoughts on Kari?

Only interested in Kari if I don't like her reason(s) behind the BBT-read

She provided her reasons. She didn't have any.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, so can you take a stance on it?

Which of the two do you feel it is likely to be?

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Exactly, it's weird right?

Can you target Kari please?

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Nah, it isn't.

You're going to need to visit a PokeCentre soon.

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It says it would inflict burn status on holder in the BattleShop Spoiler.

Pro, can I interest you in targeting Kari?

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I'm not intending to annoy you.

I just think you're scum and would like you to be targeted for it.

Is there something wrong with that?

Are you a newbie or an alt btw?

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No.

I want her to be targeted because a) she made a point of her target being random and b) she town read me for no reason and couldn't give a reason when prodded.

Have you read the thread?

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Good, then you should know the reasons I want Kari targeted...and you appear not to...why is that?

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Are you fucking dense?

That's not what I just said.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Is that some sort of attempt to get support?

Please. You're going to the PokeCentre.

You didn't answer whether you were a newb or an alt.

PEdit - No, it has a lot more to do with her town read on me. You would see this if you actually read the thread.

I just told you about the Flame Orb.

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I have no idea what LPL is.

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Ah, you are an alt.

OK, why did you sign up as an alt?

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Yeah.

Please die.

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@ toffee: idk. something about your posts give off a townish vibe.

Explanation is here.

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That was her explanation. I asked her why she town read me and that's what she said.

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Why would you answer for a supposed scum read anyway?

Because she has already answered and I don't understand what you're doing.

Kari, my tunneling never stops. I want you to know this.

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Come on Pro, target Kari. You know it feels right.

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Hiii Lucky!

Can you target Kari, at least for now?

What question?

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Apologies, that was meant for Pro.

I didn't make that very clear.

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Really? I'm having fun too.

I'll be enjoying it even more when you're dead.

Have we played together before?

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Maybe we should have less talk about the Flame Orb and more talk about caught scum?

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Also, I have over a third of the posts in this thread already.

Where is everyone?

PEdit - Maybe he can give it to someone else?

PEdit v2 - You do that. You're scum. I know it. You know it. We both know it ends in your lynch.

Have you played with me before?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Normally, people's first vote in a game is RVS.

This is why Kari's stating of her vote being random irked me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Doesn't it?

I mean, your town read is the main reason I scum read you, so, whatever I guess.

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Explaining your reasoning now does nothing to change my opinion of your early town read.

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Random targets everywhere!

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Scum have already been caught.

It's only a matter of time.

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Okay, I was under the impression that Kari was a new player who didn't understand RVS or something, hence the weird comment and sudden jump off BBT. Since you're an alt, that's apparently not the case. Calling BBT's initial target an omgus despite him having a reason for it etc. Keeing an eye on this one

BBT's tunnelling is pretty typical of him, meh so far, nothing really catching my attention, continue as you will.

Prohawk seems fine so far. You're questioning McMenno's vote on you, do you see it as not random?

~ M

Hiiiii Mikaa!!!

Can you target Kari for me please?

I am not a fire type.

Then why did you buy the Flame Orb?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Do you know how it works?

Does it inflict burn status on people who have Fire Pokemon?

Can they just pass it on to someone else?

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Not going to vote Kira yet.

Why not?

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You feeling OK Random?

You're posting much more than I'm used to...

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36 - I don't understand why you would point this out Marcrell. If you thought it was a good way to catch scum, surely it's best not to reveal it?

Further, I'm actually thinking the opposite - I think it might be a warning for your buddies not to reveal what they purchased.

46 - Marcrell, can you clarify your position on what you think of Kari's early town read on me? This comment;

Read is weird though. Maybe an appeasal. But it doesn't seem that strong to me. More of a lean, or better vote parking. Not that she really went anywhere better though.

Doesn't make much sense to me.

I especially don't get the 'More of a lean, or better vote parking'. I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

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I just dont agree with someone town reading you so fast. out of all games I had with you I know better that your allignment isnt that clear early on .- Unless u were scum then it has a few vibes. But a town read already? imho u havent done anything yet. SO yea.

Z, if you dislike Kari's early town read of me, why have you done nothing about it?

Also, your statement appears contradictory? Like, you say my alignment isn't clear unless I am scum in which case it has a few vibes. So, if there are no vibes, you're saying this would point to me being town, correct?.

Can you clarify?

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I've never been in it.

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112 - ASP, how much reasoning do you usually need to vote someone at this point in the game?

114 - Nyan, same question for you. You seem unimpressed with Kari's town read on me yet don't think it's sufficient reasoning to vote at this point in the game. Why not?

119 - McMenno, why Kari?

132 - Why Z over the other low posters Marcrell?

Also, you missed a question from me;

OK, so can you take a stance on it?

Which of the two do you feel it is likely to be?

Read the post in context of the game if you're unsure what it's about.

137 - ASP, given the Mod has assigned pokemon, and we don't know what method he used to choose the pokemon he did, you cannot claim which pokemon are more/less likely to be used in this game.

139 - ProHawk, who are you talking about with the lazy/scummy voters?

I agree with Random that your theory for Random/Marcrell both being scum is reaching pretty hard. Your last point on Marcrell is pretty good though.

148 - Random, I'm not sure ASP said it wouldn't make sense for scum to purchase the Flame Orb (if he did, I missed it).

I actually think it would be a viable scum strategy to purchase it and give it to town (especially if not everyone can give it away and they may be stuck with it)

I disagree that spreading damage is the way to go. We should consolidate on one/two targets because we need flips to provide more information to the game and spreading out the damage is not a great way of doing it.

PEdit - I'm clearly not reading the rules properly. Where does it state scum have day-talk?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because my move means I can give my item away by self-targetting. I was annoyed bwcause your post looked like you were saying I was scum without giving a reason.

I don't get this. If you target yourself, that means whatever your move is in the attack phase it affects you. So, yeah, can you clarify?

pts?

You're coasting. Engage. Do something.

the part i dont like @ random is the fact that that item isnt really pro town, burning someone really badly over rounds (and possibly killing him)is not really a great thing imho.

I agree with this. Does the Flame Orb possess any positive qualities?

Pts - private topics.
I think it is town because it isn't hard to get rid of (just buy another item)

Unless you spent your money pre-game. In which case, you're stuck with it until you get more.

I'm not sure about this whole Flame Orb. I see no town motivation in purchasing it. I'm wondering whether Random bought it thinking that he could give it away before it burned him and therefore hiding the fact that he had bought it in the first place.

In the BattleShop, it states it causes a burn status. Maybe he thought the burn status wouldn't take effect until after the first attack phase.

I also didn't see Mod's post in my PEdit for some reason.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Even as I dislike Kari's early town I have reasons to believe that it might be just a town's movement or being lazy (or the original person knowing you enough)
Also the idea about the vibe is the fact that you dont always give a vibe as scum either. Its kinda complicated but I do tend to town read you if I dont feel you scummy. But I am not sure,.

Hmm, I don't like this explanation Z. You're not making any sense.

Also, I can tell you that I have never played with Kari or her alt so it can't be that she has experience with me for why she town read me so early.

Can you expand on what reasons you have for Kari being town?

I'm considerably less active and engaging when town. I'll coast for now and let you tunnel people.

Hmm, I might have to tunnel you instead then.

Coasting doesn't help the game much. You should contribute.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Half because Hydra hasn't been around for me to talk to and half because Kari has also not been around to elaborate on her weird behavior. Also, I did find her main account, and looking through her posts, this type of posting actually seems somewhat typical of her.

Mika, can you elaborate on what's 'typical' for Kari?

Also, I find it strange that you didn't want to target Kari without talking to Hydra but you're willing to target Marcrell...

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Replacements/prods are needed for this game.

6 people with 5 posts or less on page 8.

Mod, Marcrell is due a prod.

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This inactivity from a hydra is deeply disturbing. Both heads are this inactive? Really? Hmm...

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Not your hydra. You have at least provided ~things~

Talking about the Burn hydra.

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Target: Burn

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Sure.

Yet, here you are posting.

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OK, I can see where you're coming from with that.

Didn't think about approaching the game that way at all.

I still maintain it's much better for town to target/isolate one or two people instead of spreading the damage around.

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It doesn't have to be one player.

We can have a two, or even three top choices that everyone targets. People doing bits of damage here and there is not the way to approach the game and I think it's anti town to do so.

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You're right, we should have.

Unfortunately, the game hasn't been very active. When the replacements enter, we can have this discussion then and decide what we want to do/who to target.

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Sure, what you wanna talk about?

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I would do Kari and Burn right now.

Possibly another of the lurkier people as well.

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Feel free to invite people to this game, we currentely need two replacements and in two hours three with Marcrell. I'm really sorry about this.

I'll get on it. It's not your fault, it's the players who should be sorry!

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Marcrell, I knew there was someone I was forgetting.

Marcrell/Kari/Burn are easily the top 3.

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What did you dislike about Z's posts?

OK, but do you feel the town read was justified? Do you think Kari is town or scum?

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Also, Hiiiiiiiii Bella!

Please be town.

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Ohhhh, Bella! I wanted you to be town!

Read the thread and give me your thoughts please?

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K, so Marcell, burn and Kari are prob scum, with questionable reads on zzzx, mcmenno and lucky.

Prohawk, bbt and the other hydra are prob town.

I'm confused by randommidget. Boon needs to post

Explanations for these reads would be just fantastic.

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Guys, there should be more pressure on Burn.

Seriously.

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Burn showing up right after I target them is no coincidence.

Also, their catch up didn't go very well. Managed the whole of one post.

MS, I know you're very active on this site. Where are you?

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MS IS OVERSEAS

IDGAF where MS is, I KNOW he is posting on this site, so why isn't he posting here?

Sup, diggity dog?

You scum Boon?

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I can tell you that I KNOW FOR A FACT MS has been posting on this site.

Not only that, but the fact you're both doing fuck all is pretty shitty.

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Burn should be everyone's top target.

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OK, but your partner didn't cover for you, did he? In fact, he did pretty much nothing for the whole time.

Now, I have a question; have you been posting on this site? Because your hydra buddy seems unaware of it and I would like to clear it up...

I mean, I like Kari for scum as well. It's just, at least she posts and will be easier to catch in the long run. I'm sick of letting scum lurk by while active townies slit each others throats because they're the only one's around.

As for your final post; you don't think you need to engage with anyone else in the game? There is more than one scum, you know this right? Tunneling is an easy scum tactic to avoid interactions with other players and I'm not a big fan of your play so far.

So, how about you get started?

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So you have been posting. Thanks for clearing that up.

Why were you able to post in that TM dead PT and not contribute to this game?

I'll bet you're fine talking to me; I'm one of the last people you want pushing your wagon.

I look forward to your contributions when you get back, remember, we only had a 1 week deadline.

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It could be exciting if you contribute.

I mean, replacements have already started and we have numerous lurkers. If you're unsatisfied with the current state of the game, you should do something to change that.

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You know I pay no attention to meta.

I just see you lurking and not contributing, and I don't like it.

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Sure, I'll be happy to go back to Kari.

Once I feel somewhat OK about you being town.

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Have not consulted with mika yet so this is my personal pick. It would be burn, marcrell, and well honestly there are so many lurkers at the moment that I don't know who to choose from in that basket. So burn and marcrell for the moment with a pending third. Actually third would probably be Kari.

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Explaining these choices would be great

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Scum hunt.

Outside of Kari.

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They have both crossed my mind, especially Nyan's last post.

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Sure thing.

Come back with some good town shit, k?

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Target: Kari

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I don't get it Lucky...

Why are you moving off of Kari?

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I think there is a good chance that Bella is scum.

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VOTE: Bella

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I mean, I love you Bella you know I do, it's just unfortunate that you drew scum. Are you saying you think I'm scum in that post? I don't like ambiguity.

Your stances in this game feel convenient. I also don't feel like your scum hunting.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Kari wagon is U.G.L.Y.

Where you gone Bella?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm not sure how I feel about Kari, I think I don't think she is scum anymore. Too many opportunists jumping on the wagon for my liking. You agree that Kari wagon is ugly? If so, why? Further, why are you still on it?

What do you want to talk about re: Mario?

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I'm not completely sure, I just know I dislike your stance/posting in the game more than Kari's and I feel that's where my vote should be. I need to reread the game myself and I plan on doing this soon so we will see if anything comes to light.

I'll look at Mario.

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There isn't much from Mario.

His reasoning for his initial scum read on Kari is exactly what I'm talking about with regards to the wagon on her though.

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kill the other one toMario.

Happy scumday!

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What do you wanna talk about Bella?

I'll try to catch up with this game at some point today/tonight.

Why are you not voting Marcrell given he has a big wagon and you're scum reading him?

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1) I don't think anything of it. What do you think about it?

2) I think Burn is town.

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I understand you think the interaction is odd, but what do you think it means?

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That's it?

Your whole post contains a null read on me?

Fantastic.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Currently rereading.

K, so Marcell, burn and Kari are prob scum, with questionable reads on zzzx, mcmenno and lucky.

Prohawk, bbt and the other hydra are prob town.

I'm confused by randommidget. Boon needs to post

This was one of your early posts I really disliked Bella.

Do you see the convenience of it? You don't even provide reasoning, it's just very 'go with the flow and don't make waves.'

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Aka, Lucky wants to use Growl. Common move, doesn't tell us much, but is a safe claim relative to a strategy town would take over scum.

Just a thought on this; it doesn't make Lucky town to be doing this. If scum see their buddy coming under heavy fire and likely to be targeted by many people, a great way of keeping their buddy alive would be to weaken the attacks of the people targeting their buddy.

I'm not suggesting this is what Lucky is doing; I'm just saying to keep this in mind.

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target: burn

Don't know if you responded to this Lucky but why did you target Burn after agreeing with what they said?

So, my thoughts on my reads.

Burn: The three set-upish posts in a row look forced, followed by a bunch of empty posts, defends the inactivity, 240 is a fence-sit, says people scum-reading his slot are looking for an easy target when they've done nothing to prove towniness, the response to bbt still doesn't show a huge amount of scum-hunting, then throws out an accusation at me at Nyan. Nah, this is scummy.

Marcell:first two posts are rvs-y, even though we're not in rvs. Again, terrible fencesittng about Kari, votes zzzx and says isn't happy voting kari. There's nothing here to town-read, and the response around Kari is odd. If I'm wrong on Kari, this moves to null

Kari: first three posts are rvs, then makes bbt town, but basically votes mcmenno as rvs (so, doesn't seem to know if rvs is over herself, which isn't progressing the game), the bbt town-read so early, really defensive of the scum-read on her and survivalist without much other scum-hunting, I really don't like 109 .

McMenno, letters and boon are pretty content-less, no real reads here. Lucky, as a I said, some things are pinging for me but I like her questions, looks like she's trying to sort the game.

Can you elaborate on these reads Bella? I feel like you're stating things that you think makes someone scum but you're not explaining why it makes you think they're scum.

For example, what is the scum motivation of Burn defending against accusations that they're lurking? Why wouldn't they do this as town? Why does their accusation of you/Nyan being scum make them scum? There are others here, but I'll see if you address them first.

With Marcrell, you say there is nothing to town read. What is there to scum read? Instead of providing a commentary on what he has done, explain

why

you think what you think.

As for Kari, why is her town read of me scummy? Why does being defensive make her scum? Why wouldn't she do this as town? What exactly don't you like about 109?

Also, who is 'letters'?

target: boon

Can you explain this target Kari? Why did you target Boon over Burn or Marcrell?

ok, burn's really grasping at straws here.

target: burn

Can you show me where Burn is 'grasping at straws'?

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So: she's either town who doesn't know what to do and scum is taking advantage of this, scum and trying to appease Mario (least likely, because I don't think she'd post 360) or they're both scum and Mario is coaching her.

In my two likely scenarios, Mario is scum. But I'd like others' thoughts.

Kari is not a newbie. She is an alt.

Does this change your view of her slot?

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TOWN:
BBT- Pretty obvious. He’s scumhunting well, and doesn’t take any nonsense.
ASP- Yeah. Townslip.
ProHawk- He’s been playing aggressively which I consider a town thing to do, because the scum would probably try to soften everything.
Nyan- She’s picking out bits in posts that she feels are scummy, and asking for more information.
MAFIA:
Marcell- Why ZZZX?
Kari- Lots of things ping my scum radar. Firstly, why the need to specifically classify her vote as RVS? Secondly, why downplay a serious target as OMGUS? Thirdly, if “no one is pinging your scumdar”, then why all the business with Burn Your House Down?


Happy with my predecessor's target.

Mario, how did you decide who you would put in your reads list? For example, why did you leave people like Lucky and Burn out of it?

Your reasoning for your town reads is very generic and your reasoning for your scum reads is what other people have stated. There is nothing original or fresh about this post. I don't like it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

As for Kari, who is null for me, I do kind of want to vote her, mainly to figure out my BBT read. If BBT I can successfully read BBT as town, then him and I can probably work together really well.

Instead of using me as a really bad reason for jumping on the Kari wagon, if you're truly interested in gaining a read on me, you can always engage me and see how that goes?

BBT has been scumhunting well. Most agree he is town. It's not really worth risking a target over, especially if BBT vs Kari is actually Town/Town. Would town be willing to target a nullread just to confirm one read?

Something feels off about this post and I don't know what it is. Making note of it so it's in my ISO for later in the game.

I mean, it feels like you're suspicious of Boon but you don't outright say it (nor follow up on it).

I don't like the emotional argument between BYHD and Kari. Leaning Kari scum because of her seeming over-reactions.

Welcome back, Boonskiies. How kind of you to join us. What I've seen from you looks pro-town so far.

You think scum could fake that interaction between Burn and Kari, ASP?

Also, I don't get the pro-town comment on Boon. He has hardly done anything.

Kira is slightly scummy on the whole ordeal. Final verdict.

I don't believe tunneling means scum. Most tunnels I've seen have been town. 1v1s have tended to be townvtown.

What ordeal are you talking about here, Marcrell? I don't like how you have finally committed to a read on Kari when half the game thinks she is scum.

Also, given you seem to think most 1v1s are town v town, why do you think Kari is scum after the 1v1 between her and myself?

I have strong townreads on the following players: BlueBloodedToffee, Lucky2U, ZZZX, A Simple Plan,.

Can you explain your strong town read on Z please?

OK. Bellaphant's vote on Kari makes me uncomfortable.

I would rather have randomidget Trick to Kari. And if he receives an expensive item, she is 100% caught burned scum.

VOTE: Bellaphant

I don't understand this?

You think both Kari and Bella are scum, and you leave the bigger wagon (Kari) to start a vanity wagon on Bella. It doesn't make sense, especially now that you know Random can't use trick and this seemed to be your reasoning for the switch. So, why haven't you switched back?

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hey, when i flip town, look at boon. that was opportunistic as hell with no real reason behind it.

This post feels like it was wrote in an effort to appear town. You haven't been lynched (killed) yet and you don't know if you will be, why are you acting like you can't do anything about Boon's vote?

I also don't understand why you're not targeting Boon if you think he is scum. Especially when a little further down the page you're asking other people for who you should target.

how sure are you, bbt?

What was the purpose of this post Kari?

He's just super town and seemed like scum was trying to set him up for a mislynch.

Who were the scum trying to lynch Burn?

actually, anyone prefer me targeting elsewhere? as long as its not bbt, nyan, prohawk, or random

Yeah, if you are town you should probably target Marcrell.

VOTE: Marcrell

Alright, after rereading properly I can see where you're coming from Bella. It's weird because Mario wasn't in Kari's list of town reads and you would think that is where she would take her advice from if she was truly lost. However, I don't think it's scummy. I don't see the sum motivation behind the posts. Can you explain it to me?

I'm not feeling good about this post from Mario, because it feels like he's leading Kari as it is, but the fact that she jumps on this immediately from someone who has no town cred to speak of is highly suspicious, as if she's begging for a way to appear town.

VOTE: Kari

It is, however, something that scum may see as an opportunity to attack someone. ASP, can you explain to me how Kari is attempting to appear town in that sequence of posts? Because to me, I think everyone's first impression (including my own) was 'WTF just happened?' So, I'm interested to hear how you think she was trying to appear town.

opportunism. lmfao

first boon now you.

You fail to see how people are seeing your voting as opportunistic? Really?

ASP, I think that if she is town, Marcell is likely scum, so that's why I asked her...

Can you explain the link between the two...

There are two players I, and lots of others, view as scummy, and with 4 scum it's likely at least one is a Dark Pokemon.

No, this is stupid and very, very bad reasoning for you lining up lynches/attacks. I hate this post.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The mario/kari thing is bugging me out. Kari is listening to Mario, yet Mario is voting Kari. Yeah, we hit scum in Kari. Kari toDay; Mario tomorrow.

Yeah, this is scum Boon talking. In what world is that a scum-scum interaction? Explain it to me.

The burn/bbt interactions feel really off to me. Boon's really low content negates the couple of town-flashes so is still null.

What feels off about our interactions?

I don't see the town flashes you see from Boon. Can you show me them?

Mixed vibesfrom BBT.

ALso haven't been too active here and I apologize for it

Nobody has questioned this post.

Seriously. Like, he just avoided all the major issues of D1 and gave a null read on me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK.

There are 4 scum.

I am pretty sure, due to the scuminess of Kari and Marcell, at least one of them is scum

. So I advised Kari to target Marcell, as if Kari was town than the player I consider most scummy would be Marcell. And I think that lots of people agree that he is scummy.

I genuinely laughed out loud at the bold. Have you ever stated (outside of your extremely weak introductory post) why you think Kari/Marcrell are scum?

I'm not sold on kari as scum.

Why wait so long to say something?

Ok, and least you are talking to me.

I find it harder to explain 'why', generally, but I'm working it.

With Burn, his early game showed a lack of scum-hunting, and more a defensive play. This isn't town motivated - they could use their posts to engage with the game: you've just got frustrated at zzzx for doing the same thing, but that's more his meta. The accusation of me/nyan being scum feels very 'go with the flow' and not hugely supported, especially their nyan read. I don't see a lot of actively sorting the game, and I do see a lot of things I see as opportunistic, which town wouldn't need to be. I don't feel like we're coming from the same place at all.

Disagree with nearly everything you said about Burn. I find your reasons for scum reading him extremely weak. You don't think Burn has been engaging with the game?

Can you show me who Burn was sheeping when he said you/Nyan could be scum? Further, how many people are scum reading Nyan outside of Burn?

Mario can be scum without Kari. Mario could be bussing. This doesn't make Kari town; I also feel BBT's actions lean more towards a BBT/Kari duo also. Hot damn, am I calling out all the scum in this game or what?

My guess for the scum team...BBT/Kari/Mario! Moo haha! Come back to this post later, boys.

Can you show me which of my actions make you think I could be scum with Kari?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@BBT - wrt the Kari/BYHD faking thing, I have done that to an even more extreme with Pieguy in the burning. Granted, it wasn't Day 1, but Scum Theatrics is a thing. It's most likely not scum v scum, though.

What Kari/Burn faking thing are you talking about here? This post is crap as well, btw.

lucky is town probably. maybe bella too.

Can you explain town read on Bella?

Yeah, I know, there has been talk about your meta and how it isn't that usual. That's why your scumread is not as large as Kari's or Marcell's.

This looks like incentive to try and get a switch for his vote onto Marcell. Bus a buddy; vote a townie. CLASSIC. If he changes from Kari, instalynchem both.

How does it? I see no sign that Mario is looking to change his vote. Unless, of course, you were worried about him voting you and tried to discourage him from moving off of the Kari wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm fully caught up and this is my strongest scum read

Target: Boon

The interactions between Bella and Boon on page 18 feel awkward as fuck. Something is off there.

I'm doubting my scum read on Kari, I think she could be town. Burn, Nyan and Prohawk are town reads. Random might be town as well.

I don't particularly have a read on Lucky, feel like he has just coasted by not really doing much. Unsure on ASP as well, some things feel town and some feel scum. Need to see more from both of these slots.

Marcrell is still scummy (waiting for replacement). Z needs to do something.

Top 3 scum reads are Boon, Bella and Mario.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Pagetop reminder to target Boon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Bella, are you going to pretend that I don't have reasons for scum reading you? Because if that's the line you're going to take, I see no point in continuing this discussion further.

How is Kari's vote an attempt to look town? Can you name one person who has town read her for that action? Given it's nightless you can assume scum have day chat (as if you don't know)

325 is something that anybody can point from any alignment. It's an obvious observation. What do you like about 327?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't give town reads.

Scum is Marcell and possibly bbt

Behave.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

This game deserves so much more than the players who have replaced out.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Something not in-game related as it happens

Wonder why that is?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You should commit to a stance before allowing other people (giving yourself an excuse) to influence you too heavily.

Why am I scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm not looking hard for reasons to scum read you; you're presenting them very openly for me to see.

I don't understand your 460 and I disagree with a lot of the things you say in it.

I'll ask again; can you tell me one person who town read Kari for changing her vote when Mario asked her to? I mean, in what world is that supposed to make her look town...just becauise Mario said so?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

EBWOP: Because...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, I don't know how to phrase mine any clearer either.

Put yourself in Kari's position; in what world do you think you get town cred for making the decision to vote someone because someone else told you to?

Further, it was one person's opinion; it seems a little hasty to make that action to gain one town read, no? What do you think about the rest of Kari's posting?

I would really like for Kari to come in here and start doing something now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mario comes out and says 'if you are town, do x'. On the face of it, Kari might then have thought she should do x to show she is town. That's the only point I've tried to make. I'm not arguing that it worked, 'coz it clearly didn't, I'm saying I can understand the motivation behind it.

Also, you came to this conclusion on the basis that Kari was a newbie. I told you she wasn't (I think she has been around since 2012) and I asked if it changed your thoughts. You said yes.

What changed?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why is his replace out alignment indicative?

What parts of her early game are you less forgiving about? She is Feirei (something like that, not sure how it is spelt).

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why does it change her early town read of me? In what way is it worse coming from an experienced player as opposed to a newbie?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I literally typed out a target for you then.

I don't think I have ever seen you do *anything*.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

^^^ is scummy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

^^^ Is also scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, we have under a day left no matter what happens I believe.

You changing to Boon?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mario is also pretty scummy.

Forgot to add that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Boon, am gon' kill you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Do you think I have no reasoning for thinking Boon is scum?

Do you think I should ignore my strongest scum read to join another wagon?

I mean, the only other person I would have voted that would have created a wagon was Bella (a 2-man wagon at that). Would that really have been that much better than pursuing my strongest scum read?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah, enough people were on Marcrell/PN and I disagreed with Kari wagon.

Where else am I supposed to go?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I just realized you said 2 man wagon would have been better.

It wouldn't. I doubt two hits would kill someone.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well, you seem to think two people would have been enough.

Why would five not be?

Further, you're assuming everyone is attacking. Scum could be on the Marcrell wagon and healing or some shit. We don't know yet.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

PN doesn't have to do anything if they think they're dead.

Though, if they're town, some sort of contribution would be nice.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Would 'we' be the scum team :p

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Mod, how many are we waiting on?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

PN, what move did you use to attack Z? What was its effect (not very effective, super effective etc)?

I don't understand how Boon has 100% health...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT, did your move not work on Boon?

It said it wasn't very effective...it was a normal type move. The only thing I can think of is that Boon is Ghost-Type...though not very effective implies it should have had some sort of effect...

btw, why are you asking PN and not like Bellaphant who was the only one targeting Mario

% differences. Wait, I just realized something. I think Boon got healed/used potion. I'm sure I saw him at 91% health and Z was at 93% so I was like wtf...

you missed? you were the only one targeting him, what did you use?

Normal type move, not expected to miss at all.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Or maybe not? I might have mistaken him for someone else?

I think Boon could be Ghost-Type.

Mario is at 91% and Z is at 93%. Both only attacked by one person.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mine was attached in a little area box at the end of the PM. Make sure you didn't miss it.

I just realized it might not matter a whole lot because of the power of each individual move.

Type matters a lot. If scum know your type, they can hit you with moves that are super effective. Which I realize now that I fucked up because they know my type.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, it wouldn't.

You find someone's type, you scum read them because x, y and z, you attack with super effective move.

What is so obvious about that?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah, scum still have to find reasons to scum read whoever they want to attack.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I didn't suggest sharing types.

Are you fucking reading? I said not to do it.

You wanna try that again?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Random targeted himself so he could give the item to someone else.

He gave it to you.

Enjoy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Target: Mario

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think Mario could be scum. I apparently can't harm Boon, so I have to look towards my other scum reads. I could target you if you like? I really don't mind.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That is interesting.

I was wondering how they lost so much health.

I mean, it would take one, maybe two, people to take PN out of the game now. So, no need to hammer them with everything.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hey Boon,

Who do you think is scum and why?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Man, prod received.

Why is Kari being targeted?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Target: ZZZX

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not at all Z.

Doing nothing for an entire 29 pages is scummy though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't care for meta.

Quite frankly, it seems like every game I have played with you, you never seem to do anything.

So, yeah.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm targeting you out of Policy.

I don't think you have ever caught me as scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

LOL Z.

Try harder.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fine, I dont trust you both but if he survives I know where to look next which is nice

That's a nice scummy line.

You don't trust them...so you're gonna leave them to do the job...what?!?!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

3 people targeting someone with 9% health seems a bit excessive.

Bella, can you choose a new target please?

Boon & BYHD, can you explain why you're targeting Kari?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Z, state why I'm scum.

You never did that catch up you said you were going to do. Your vote on me is a quite blatant OMGUS.

Why am I scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I endorse the above post as a good post that should be sheeped. Except for Kari, I don't think that slot is scum anymore and I would like to hear something from her.

Mario can visit the pokecentre tomorrow after Z.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nooooo.

No, No. No. No. Fucking NO.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

My post was not in response to your question.

It was because you replaced in.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

See. This ^^^ is exactly why.

You spam post. You make a game unreadable. Please, please, please don't do it.

PEdit - FUCK OFFFFFFFF!!!!!!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BYHD have gone back to doing very little after their little activity burst during D1 when I pressured them for lurking.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT's being overagressive this game imo.

Is this alignment indicative?

ah apologies, we are having exams right now and when we have time, we kinda focused on our own games, our bad.

i know i said i'll catch up on this game after today's paper but i promise to catch up tomorrow instead cause i don't have a paper tomorrow.

You're not having problems elsewhere on site.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

More people should target Boon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Leave two people on PN, and then everyone else pile onto Boon and Z.

That sounds like a great plan if I do say so myself.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I am pretty sure I was, Althou I didnt talk much he was one of the few I targeted, And I know I hit him pretty hard too.

No, you wasn't.

And if you're scum with PN, you're trying to use his flip to add credence to your push on me knowing he will flip scum.

Obvious scum is obvious.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because I will super effectively hit my mafia team mateee. Suspect him all the time and prove he is sxum. Because fuxk logic

Like I said, you didn't push PN very hard, I don't know why you're acting like you did.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ignoring what points..you haven't made any.

I'm just showing you trying to claim cred for an impending PN flip (which you seem sure is going to be scum) and then trying to use this credit to paint me as scum because you were 'right' about PN.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It concerns me that no one is targeting Mario that isn't on PN

Yeah, Mario successfully lurked this target phase out.

Mario should be tomorrow's target.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It is?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, Mario is scum.

Did you see his replace out? It was scummy.

Don't be nervous. I think we're on the same side.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I would second that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Prodge

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Scum ^^^

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Inactivity from too many people has killed this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yikes.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Target: Mario.

My attack was not very effective...again.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, 4 people attacked Z and he only lost 21%...wtf.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mario is scummy.

Did you see his replace out/replace in?

I'm sure I have cited other reasons in my ISO as well.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Umm, what are you doing?

Can either of you tell me why I'm scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Was right about pn. Am satisfied kinda

I said you were going to do this. It was so obvious;

And if you're scum with PN, you're trying to use his flip to add credence to your push on me knowing he will flip scum.

Obvious scum is obvious.

Actually just lets get 6 people on Mario or 7 and he rest go bbt.

Alright?

No, nobody should be targeting me. Mario has 91% health, 6 people should be enough to take him out. The rest need to go onto Z.

Scum team is

Pn/bbt/Mario/??

PN/Mario/Z/BYHD.

Fixed that for you.

I know luv. Otherwise I would a lost more.

At least I have narrowed down your type. Considerably

Nah, you haven't. I bet you're not even close.

Bad bus is bad bus

I wish I can have more that one target. Meh

If you want to see a bad bus/attempt at distancing, you should see Mario's target below.

target: ZZZX

I am pretty sure there is scum here.

Reasons for this target Mario?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I too got 700 I think we should leave bbt and ZZZX till we have a second scum flip. Youguys argruing won't get us anywhere.

LOL?

Why doesn't it get us anywhere? I think Z is scum, Z thinks I am scum. If we suspect each other as scum, what would you have us do?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm bussing. Cool story. Any reasons for me being scum yet?

You're right, I can't do any significant damage to you. Which is pretty annoying and it means I have to rely on other people to do it for me.

As far as I am aware, the only type that Normal attacks are 'not very effective' against is Rock, right? Am I missing something?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can you state those reasons again? That would be just great, all in one post, can even use bullet points if you like.

I think you should stay on Mario to make sure he dies.

I'll just buy a potion dude.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thanks, I would appreciate that list.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Conf town Boon? That sounds interesting.

Shine some light?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

LOL.

Scum can catch their buddy's slip and take advantage to earn the town cred. Boon would in no way be confirmed town.

You think Mario wasn't going to get targeted Today anyway? There was already ample suspicion on that slot.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Add into the fact that Mario doesn't seem all that interested in playing and, quite honestly, I could even see that being planned to some extent.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm happy to target Mario.

I would be happy to target Z and maybe Boon but I can't damage them.

I would also target BYHD.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

3 people on me.

Well, shit.

I don't think I have seen a single reason. WTF...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No wait, Lucky is voting me because 'gut'. On Day Three.

Forgot about that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you're now serious Lucky, you should give reasons for your scum read.

Also, what did you learn from voting me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Z, your next post was supposed to be a case for why I'm scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you're now serious Lucky, you should give reasons for your scum read.

Also, what did you learn from voting me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

LOL. Meta reading me is a truly awful way to try and read me.

I tunnel as either alignment. I also haven't tunneled in this game sooo....

I changed my mind Yesterday after you were lining me up before PN's flip.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

UNVOTE:

Quick skim of Z's ISO leads me to believe he is unlikely to be scum with the PN slot.

He pushed that slot harder than I remember.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

LOL, I'm not targeting Z.

Target: Mario

Z can be town for now though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Which means Lucky or PK are the scum on my wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

PK, why are you voting me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wrong.

Are you going to continue to ignore me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Everyone is ignoring me.

I just love games like this.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm not ignoring you. Also, Lucky needs to explain how your reaction to his vote makes you scum.

THANK YOU!

What do you think about PK's vote on me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It is if I believe Mario is scum and I'm the only other viable option if you scum don't want to be on the Mario wagon right now.

Who is this posting?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Still waiting for those explanations for the votes on me.