Mini 1673 - Greatest Idea Mafia (Game Over!)

[PeaceBringer]

anyone play this setup before? is there any use in the discards or is that ultimately more confusion. It does give some interesting divisions...

[PeaceBringer]

VOTE: Enomis

As these discards look pretty mediocre, to get the ball rolling, why don't we all reveal the card we used for our alignment? Would anyone be up for that?

This is kinda scummy. In the other greatest idea mafia game i played someone suggested something similar and it was shot down. Since the more cards you reveal, the easier it would be for scum to know what cards are already used, and can therefore fake claim.

Why are you asking people to reveal their alignment card?

super sketchy imo...

[PeaceBringer]

the asking, not the questioning the asking that is

[PeaceBringer]

the asking, not the questioning the asking that is

You mean, upon reading my post, you now find Ric sketchy?

no, I was making a comment...

[PeaceBringer]

Peace, any particular reason you aren't voting, or even making a comment on, Jeanne?

we are on page 2... I have not felt like voting yet... i don't know what to think of Jeanne...
she comes off as genuine and does not seem to be anything of a threat...

[PeaceBringer]

the asking, not the questioning the asking that is

You mean, upon reading my post, you now find Ric sketchy?

no, I was making a comment...

Yes a comment. You said someone/something is sketchy.

something, generally there is a propensity in varied setups for scum to propose some sort of "claim" element as part of looking town, so it has raised my eyebrow but I really want to observe more...

[PeaceBringer]

Yes, I did propose that claim as the SK, but only because it's the first thing I would have done as town, and wanted to earn some points by saying it first. The moment I was given the opportunity, I turned around and started fighting against it.

this is my point...

[PeaceBringer]

we are on page 2... I have not felt like voting yet... i don't know what to think of Jeanne...
she comes off as genuine and does not seem to be anything of a threat...

She has literally claimed a non-town faction only she is in. You must think she's a Survivor, then?

eh, not worried about an indy/non-town aligned. Not all non-town aligned are threats including survivors, jesters, lynchers and so on... I think an acutal threat would not have engaged in such a way...

[PeaceBringer]

it is also no loss if she goes, but were are 3 pages into day 1... not even everyone has fully engaged the game...

[PeaceBringer]

we are on page 2... I have not felt like voting yet... i don't know what to think of Jeanne...
she comes off as genuine and does not seem to be anything of a threat...

She has literally claimed a non-town faction only she is in. You must think she's a Survivor, then?

eh, not worried about an indy/non-town aligned. Not all non-town aligned are threats including survivors, jesters, lynchers and so on... I think an acutal threat would not have engaged in such a way...

You use a lot of ... in your posts.

It gives a rather uncertain tone.

go read my meta, this is something I do... I am comfortable generating uncertainty...

[PeaceBringer]

I would have done the exact same thing as town though, so I don't think it means much.

It can go either way, which is why I simply said it was sketchy....

[PeaceBringer]

um, folks, what is the most likely role of 2 people "aligned" and not necessarily town aligned that pose no threat?

[PeaceBringer]

um, folks, what is the most likely role of 2 people "aligned" and not necessarily town aligned that pose no threat?

There is none. The only available roles that fit her criteria are Survivor and Down Lyncher.

By "who I am aligned with" I'm pretty sure she just means her faction.

a lover can be simply aligned with their lover...

[PeaceBringer]

Then at least comment on the reasoning in my post above.

Which reasoning? That I should claim my alignment card?

Spoiler:

My thoughts on claiming alignment cards:

The idea that it makes fake-claiming easier for scum players down the road is a little misleading. Reality is that there are enough town cards that scum have a safe alignment card to claim in the group of {VT/Conspiracy Theorist/Mason/At least one more that I'm missing of the top of my head} if they want to take it. The real benefit of making people claim now is that it locks scum players into a card and reduces their flexibility down the road. Scum are very unlikely to get caught via counterclaiming specific cards in this setup, but it is possible to catch them because their claimed cards don't add up from a decision making perspective. So yeah I prefer claiming alignment cards asap.

Yeah, Lover is an ability not an alignment.

this, we pick an "Alignment card" and a role card. A lover can be unaligned. Looking at rules there can be a "mason group" and a "lover group" without a Town designation even...

[PeaceBringer]

now she did say only one in faction, so lover doesn't make sense...
I do not think there is a threat there... probably no harm to be run up and lynched. Still early game and really want to get more information before lynch someone who does not seem to me to be a threat, whatever ended up drawing...

[PeaceBringer]

Ok she's scum then.

idiotic statement here...

[PeaceBringer]

vote soren

[PeaceBringer]

PeaceBringer are you aligned with Jeane? I've been curious on why you've been defending her so readily.

nope, I defend stuff I think is stupid... it is stupid reaction to her on stuff that has no indication of a threat...

[PeaceBringer]

Ok she's scum then.

idiotic statement here...

Explain how and why it is idiotic please. You resorted to an ad hominem attack instead of questioning the line of reasoning behind my post.

At the start of the game she said that she is the only one in her faction.

She chose mason as her alignment card. She cannot have chosen town mason because there are more than one town in the town faction. Therefore she chose some other mason card. Which is either werewolf mason or survivor mason. Which means she is either aligned with werewolf or survivor, and in that faction, she is the only one.

there is nothing inherently scummy about what she siad or done. There is nothing "threatening" about what she did. In other words, based on her behavior and the phsychology of the exchange there is no reason to state that. And you provided no reason, just said, um that is scummy. Which basically means not something you would say or do. Folks can lynch her if they want, but it really is poor play at this juncture to be focused in on a probable non-threat... may just as well no lynch if that is what you are going to do...

[PeaceBringer]

Oh, well that makes it even worse. You're right, just re-looked at the roles no jesters.

there is lynchbait though...

[PeaceBringer]

I am somewhat concerned about that Peace. But it seems less likely the more Jeanne posts to me.

baseline reaction...

[PeaceBringer]

Lynchbait is if it's lynched, all lynchers in the game win, right? Who the hell would choose that as their role?

I don't understand why you're so desperate to defend Jeanne, Peace. It's seriously weird.

desperate is your perception
I am not desperate...
just doing with I do...
at default in comparison to mafiascum standards and culture my baseline would be considered weird...

[PeaceBringer]

Well seeing PeaceBringer willing to protect Jeane and I buy her claim, I don't see mafia/3rd party doing something like that. So if Jeane really does fit the Town Cult Leader I think PeaceBringer may be safe as well.

please do not conclude affiliation... the push on this was highly anal and stupid... her behavior was clear she was not a town threat... I actually do sense that there is something there, but no, folks cannot live with the ambiguity and just had to know... her play was town all day... just awkard and poorly executed and the akward and poor execution always gets run up around here, usually with poor results.

[PeaceBringer]

Well seeing PeaceBringer willing to protect Jeane and I buy her claim, I don't see mafia/3rd party doing something like that. So if Jeane really does fit the Town Cult Leader I think PeaceBringer may be safe as well.

Buddying up with players is a scum tactic so then if they get lynched and flip scum the person they buddied up with looks bad

that was not "buddying"- if you look at any calling a town action as ill advised as buddying, well then it is all just mob mentality and no one should ever identify town reads or go to bat for them. Town defends perceptions of town plenty. This post is awful from you.

[PeaceBringer]

I'm happy with option 2 let's go.

VOTE: No lynch

and you go from bad to worse...

[PeaceBringer]

I'm happy with option 2 let's go.

VOTE: No lynch

and you go from bad to worse...

Thus is wrong.

no lynch should never be consider on day 1, ever...

[PeaceBringer]

okay, I had/have no grasp of the "goo" role, never heard of it and went and looked it up. I see what you guys are talking about now. So if a goo is targeted with a kill they do not die, correct?

[PeaceBringer]

at least in the case of the black goo...

[PeaceBringer]

Does farside's 183 make you think that she doesn't have a targetting ability?

I don't want to play that game until I decide if I trust Jeanne. -Because if she's lying, then revealing all targeting abilities is bad.

this can probably be settled soon enough...

[PeaceBringer]

someone please answer my question... TIA

[PeaceBringer]

MOD if Black goo is targeted with kill does the goo die?

[PeaceBringer]

and given the nature of things I am going to have to out myself
alignment vanilla town
role 1 shot day vig...

thus these questions...

[PeaceBringer]

then alas sadly, for my win condition-

vote Jeanne...

no other play in line with win conditions...

[PeaceBringer]

? Explain, PB? You just sort of flipped massively?

Kitty, if by some of chance she's scum and now you've been converted into scum or goo then would you really tell us? No because that would be against wincon. So my plan only works if we can certainty say her alignment but does anyone who targets her become goo\convert or only people trying to kill her?

Therefore, if she only converts those who try to kill her that makes life easier as first thing to do is find out her alignment. Then, the next night all players that are suspicious have to target her?

I guess there's some flaws in the plan, though? I can't think anymore but people with experience might comment on the claimed role and such.

Jeanne, why did you claim Mason? I think that's what sort of leads me to believe your claim about your role if not alignment. Claiming mason would set a scum target on your back and if they attacked they would be converted to your cult (town or other?). So that seemed like a good plan before you were forced to full claim, if indeed you are town.

Can you share if the person who attempts kill is converted or anyone who targets you?

well if folks that are aligned with Jeanne only get a town win then I am screwed as town, right? so it is not in my town interest right? anyone who targets her converts...

[PeaceBringer]

this is the card- 54.Black Goo (Town; anyone who targets it with an action becomes Cult)- so Black Goo is town and any one who targets becomes Cult... she doesn't become cult but cult develops around those that target her.

[PeaceBringer]

unvote-

I don't have a clue...

Mod do those that Target black goo become cult and therefore anti-town yet black goo remains town?

[PeaceBringer]

? Explain, PB? You just sort of flipped massively?

Kitty, if by some of chance she's scum and now you've been converted into scum or goo then would you really tell us? No because that would be against wincon. So my plan only works if we can certainty say her alignment but does anyone who targets her become goo\convert or only people trying to kill her?

Therefore, if she only converts those who try to kill her that makes life easier as first thing to do is find out her alignment. Then, the next night all players that are suspicious have to target her?

I guess there's some flaws in the plan, though? I can't think anymore but people with experience might comment on the claimed role and such.

Jeanne, why did you claim Mason? I think that's what sort of leads me to believe your claim about your role if not alignment. Claiming mason would set a scum target on your back and if they attacked they would be converted to your cult (town or other?). So that seemed like a good plan before you were forced to full claim, if indeed you are town.

Can you share if the person who attempts kill is converted or anyone who targets you?

asked and answered by mod elusive, please keep up

[PeaceBringer]

If you dayvig her and she flips Town Black Goo then you will be converted to cult aligned and she will die. It will be public information that you're cult aligned and you'll get lynched rather unanimously.

Its worth noting that Black Goo could be a fake claim here. I'm not really sure what the motivation behind that would be, but I'm not exactly sure Jeanne has any idea what she's doing right now anyway.

bah predits aren't being read quite yet

that has been established now, but thanks for the answer...
I really do not know the play here...

[PeaceBringer]

the answer to your mod question is yes, which is the basis behind my point that no one who actually knows what they are doing picks Town Black Goo given the cards she claimed.

predit. well you literally just asked it

no mod answered my question on killing goo... trying to understand fully the other element. So really, this makes no sense at all...
she really cannot be left with the risk of 1. her lying 2. creating unknown cultists-

vote Jeanne

... unless someone has a better idea...

[PeaceBringer]

You guys are talking about targeting Jeannie and that it makes people cult.
I don't see the town motivation for that.

My motivation is winning with whatever tools are handed to me. -I'm currently town, but I have no issues with winning as the cult if presented with that option.

this is why Jeanne needs to be lynched...

[PeaceBringer]

Why do you believe her?

I'm not sure I do. -Which is why I'd be willing to target her alone Tonight first, to see what happens, and report back Tomorrow.

um, no and if you do I will day vig your ass so fast...

[PeaceBringer]

the other option is if we cannot get lynched I will play to my current win condition and day kill Jeanne... and than lose as goo cult... but it would be within current win condition and hopefully she is lying-
really puts me in a sucky place...

[PeaceBringer]

so KCC, you are not going to have the option... best play is to lynch her... if that doesn't happen I will take the antitown option out of play...

[PeaceBringer]

I'm not sure on how the mafia/alignment chats work on Mafiascum but because Jeane is town and whoever targets her becomes anti-town of course they wouldn't share the same chat rooms so Jeane would never know who became a cultists or not.

So ultimately the role is a foe producer in this game isn't it?

correct

[PeaceBringer]

If you are who you claim to be PeaceBringer than I rather you use your ability for a more important time than riding of Black Goo and in turn converting yourself.

I'll see what others think of the situation but regardless it's a dangerous role to keep around and I may vote to rid of it In the end.

so would I

[PeaceBringer]

All we need is at least 7 people that are down to target Jeanne11 and cult has effectively won the game.

THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN!!!!

either vote Jeanne or I make myself a loser...

[PeaceBringer]

THERE ARE ONLY GOING TO BE 2 OPTIONS HERE!
Vote out JEANNE or She get DAY VIGGED and I get lynched.
1 or the other! make your choice...

[PeaceBringer]

There's another option.

We leave Jeanne11 alive

BECAUSE SHE IS TOWN

and no one target her. Since if you don't have 7 people as cult, you probably won't have much of a chance to win as you do now.

you already have people wanting to target her and even making plans to test her. Nope. Since I am the day vig. I demand she is lynched or I make myself a loser. No other options is viable. I am not going to advocate a mass claim at power roles and people are tripping over themselves to out that they can "target." We already have you and KCC being idiots...

[PeaceBringer]

There's another option.

We leave Jeanne11 alive

BECAUSE SHE IS TOWN

and no one target her. Since if you don't have 7 people as cult, you probably won't have much of a chance to win as you do now.

you already have people wanting to target her and even making plans to test her. Nope. Since I am the day vig. I demand she is lynched or I make myself a loser. No other options is viable. I am not going to advocate a mass claim at power roles and people are tripping over themselves to out that they can "target." We already have you and KCC being idiots...

If you wasn't a day vig, would you target Jeanne11 and become cult?

it would be a temptation, certainly... I wouldn't fall all over myself announcing it either...
the temptation needs to be removed.

[PeaceBringer]

I cant get over how bad of a decision picking Black Goo over Doctor is. That alone makes me want to say she's not town, but then again I dont see anything anywhere that indicates she has any idea whats going on right now.

At this point I think we just policy lynch her and move on.

Can we not lynch town please

you will be lynching someone who seems to have started as town today.
Either the "threat" generator in Jeanne
or waste a dag vig shot and have someone become former town...
It is one or the other. It is clear you want her around to try and get a cult win...

[PeaceBringer]

And right now the # is 7. That number goes down as the #'s go down.

[PeaceBringer]

See it is not likely that there are 7 PR's with ability to target Jeanne that are not killing, may be close given the game structure though. So lets say we end up with 3-4 people targeting her. Then it is them staying alive and reducing the #s of the rest but without knowing who each other are. She cannot stay alive!

[PeaceBringer]

Sound to me like PeaceBringer wants me dead because I am town.

No I want you dead because you create an anti-town cult that will cause us problems...

[PeaceBringer]

In my last GIM game town lynched scum everyday but town still lost. Why? Because there were too many scum in the game. Every single town member we have is crucial and should be kept alive at all cost if we want to stand a chance at preventing scum from outnumbering us. Especially when we don't know how many scum are in this game.

you keep her alive there WILL BE MORE SCUM-
she is alive, then we have to lynch you and KCC... as you both made clear your intent. So we lose 2 town there. Then who knows how ever more potentials there is.
Keeping her alive increases the # of scum... it is not hard logic

[PeaceBringer]

This is such an interesting scenario...

certainly the strangest day 1 here I have been associated with, even bringing all sorts of game ethic questions into play...

[PeaceBringer]

There will only be more scum IF people target her. And that's assuming that town targets her. Maybe a scum targets her.

here is the deal, you have NO IDEA what will happen. YOU AND KCC ALREADY INDICATED YOU WOULD TRY FOR THE CULT...
she would be targeted, it would happen. We cannot trust otherwise.

[PeaceBringer]

Maru, it is clearly a team game, my action is team oriented...

[PeaceBringer]

please share your thought Maru on what should happen with Jeanne...

[PeaceBringer]

If Jeanne is left alive the town will almost certainly lose. It doesn't matter if she's town - it needs to be done.

what about this is hard to understand?

[PeaceBringer]

please share your thought Maru on what should happen with Jeanne...

Soren has summed it up in a nut shell, we shouldn't lynch town, when she is pretty nearly accepted as telling the truth and probably town. We need to focus on non-town

This is one of the rare cases that having a townie alive could destroy the town later on. I still believe riding of her will be best for town in the late game but there seems to be a split in this and nobody is budging from their stand point.

I do agree however that we should focus more on finding scum as well.

I agree, after we lynch one or two scum, then she might be a higher priority, but until then, we need to get rid of scum.

by then there will be an unknown increased number of scum... what is so hard to grasp here?

[PeaceBringer]

If he is really day-vig, i think he would prefer having more information for his shot but i guess it's up to him.

this, unless someone pisses me off enough that I shoot on less... I would prefer hold it... if they are worried about me to waste a night kill on me to take it out of play, so be it.

[PeaceBringer]

I almost think we should have Jeanne at L2 so no one can hammer and PB shoots, the flip happens and we discuss and then we can figure out things or have more info to work with.

I have no intent to use it day 1, why the hurry?

[PeaceBringer]

Pb you are holding us hostage that if jean isn't the lynch you wil shoot her. I think she's at l1 and don't to wnd day early but I also don't like forced situations and think that your claim could be either town or scum. I'm not a fan.

Jeanne I think I have it me nicely to only ask once more because you are new and seem a bit idk I've looked at a myanime game and its a little more jokey and seems less deep but if.you are town you have to fight the lynch.

don't have to be a fan... I saw the situation spiraling in a way that harmed town and it was my in power to do something about it. So, you do not have to be a fan. This day spiraled in an unpredictable way. And the village was free to choose which course of action to remove the threat, but the threat was going to be removed. Period.

[PeaceBringer]

PB but do you think she's town?

could be, could be lying. But if she is town and is as claim she threat generating town. Town eliminates threats. You cut off the threat at the source.

[PeaceBringer]

Shooting Jeanne at any point of play removes peace's chance of winning, especially by shooting her day one. If we shoot jeanne, we then have to lynch peace as he is cult and cant win with the town

that is my call... as been described I would be in a lose-lose situation and therefore have nothing to lose, really, and the most pro-town action would be removing a threat and therefore that is what needs to happen to work toward my current win condition. Now trumps any potential change.

[PeaceBringer]

3 night kills ugg

[PeaceBringer]

You're most likely wrong far. I have sufficient evidence that Soren is scum.

day vig sufficient, as I was itching to

[PeaceBringer]

I am town watcher. Kitty, brantz and ric targetted peace last night.

ooh, -popcorn-

[PeaceBringer]

someone is not telling the truth- kitty is dead

[PeaceBringer]

unless someone targeted her and not me

[PeaceBringer]

could be true...

[PeaceBringer]

I'm at work right now and will be home in a few hours.

I can claim as well before the town decides I'm worthy enough for the day lynch. It'll be a pain trying to keep it hidden from this group anyway.

Errantparabola isn't a serial killer that's for sure though.

Hint much~

hmmm

[PeaceBringer]

Ricastle reads as town. Farside as well. PeaceBringer if you had to shoot someone now, who would you shoot?

I do not know

[PeaceBringer]

no elusive, just trying to sort things out and see if/when I have enough to pull the trigger...

[PeaceBringer]

man, I haven't got much from anyone. Soren is engaged and while irritated me not sure that is the direction....
Elusive care to expand on why

NBH- thoughts on Enomis

Errant is getting juice? thoughts?

Crowlage is just kinda here...
Shrug

[PeaceBringer]

naw, what was I thinking- crowlage is town and likely as claimed. That is what I get for just looking at the VC...

[PeaceBringer]

Any town read I've had of pb is gone at this point

[PeaceBringer]

You 2 are fine.
Pb, hideo, Soren, enomis, errant and crow are all just riding the low train of effort

I have been trying to gauge who to DK. Crow is town. Soren- probably town... so that leaves the rest to sort through

[PeaceBringer]

Player Name	Discard	Alignment Card	Ability Card
BRantz	Mafia Seer
PeaceBringer	FBI Agent
Crowlage	One-Shot Governor
elusive	Lyncher (Above)
farside22	Vanilla Townie
Maruchan	Hirsute Goon
Errantparabola	One-Shot Dayvig
enomis	Vanilla Townie
Ricastle	Lover	Nymphomaniac
Ninja Boy Hideo	Mafia One-Shot Governor	Seer
KittyCupCake	Mafia Godfather	Conspiracy Theorist
Soren	Roleblocker
Jeanne11	One-Shot Paranoid Gun Owner	Not Town?

I told you my alignment card- Vanilla townie and role card 1 shot day vig...

[PeaceBringer]

And?
Your not really doing anything to figure the game out

you aren't either...

[PeaceBringer]

accutally I think NBH is outdated and not followed through-- half hearted effort...
Oh, NBH- please explain and give thoughts on where you are coming from...

Hey farside, you want me to start forcing claims? that would be another tact to take vs observing and trying to come to best conclusion. I could always make an emotion based decision and that usually does not work out well. Part of why I haven't killed Soren at this point.

[PeaceBringer]

You're sure your card was 2-shot?

Sk card that is 2 shot BP.

It's a bit why I'm scum reading enomis.
I wonder if I was shot at last night and he's trying to push a lynch because they couldn't kill me.

there were 3 deaths last night, you think there is a 4th?

[PeaceBringer]

may as well get full claims at this point...

[PeaceBringer]

You're sure your card was 2-shot?

Sk card that is 2 shot BP.

It's a bit why I'm scum reading enomis.
I wonder if I was shot at last night and he's trying to push a lynch because they couldn't kill me.

there were 3 deaths last night, you think there is a 4th?

Here is what we know.

Someone is either a vanillizer or errant is lying.
No one has claimed that do you wonder why at all?

Next maru is a hider. He most likely hid behind scum or his behind someone that was killed.

Are you trying to figure anything out

right now I am trying to figure out who to day vig without emotion

[PeaceBringer]

enomis claim makes no sense
hoping this is the right call but no loss if wrong

DAY VIG ENOMIS

[PeaceBringer]

Okay scum are:

PeaceBringer - dayvig claim bblah blah. his alignment still could be scum, however his shenanigan on day 1 shows town mindset, about how he would kill jeanne11 since many people would convert to cult if she was left alive. Or maybe he is on a small scum team. His actions on day 2 are poor, sure he shot scum, but he's done absolutely nothing. Lean scum.

Crowlage - I believe his claim

elusive - lean scum

farside22 - could be town, but wouldnt be suprirsed if flipped scum

Errantparabola - could still be lieing about alignment

Ricastle - probs town. but alignment could still be faked

Ninja Boy Hideo - probs scum, he still hasnt revealed his abilityt card

soren, if I let my emotions get the better of me you would have been the day kill, I have indicated I took my time, I processed things to find a most likely scum target vs what my emotion would have dictated, which would have been you. And yet, you have the gall to post this crap. If you seriously believe that the way I have engaged the game is Scum motivated because I took a measured approach to the day, well, then you suck at this game. But, oh I guess, I was all-knowing and am a scum aligned day vig who claimed to draw protection and have a night kill as well and am responsible for a kill at night. I guess that is the theory, right.

[PeaceBringer]

Are you saying that I'm allowed to have slight suspicions about you in a game of deception?

you can have suspicion, but at this point you would be having extreme paranoia and would require me having a high level skill of manipulation and ability to pull such off... it is dependent on a huge # of what if's or faulty expectations on what to expect from any given player.

[PeaceBringer]

Well I don't have many solid town reads.

I'm not seeing peace do much in the game.

please compare my engagement in the game with others. How is what I am doing compared to others. I told you I observed to find the proper kill and made one. You are still here... you just want to keep getting under my skin. I have done more then 1/2 the player list...

[PeaceBringer]

I can't even attempt to understand a town read on crow, at all. The most you got is you believe his claim?!?

it must be all the work he put into the day, it is stunning...

[PeaceBringer]

This game is moving at a pathetic pace and time is running out. Can we all agree on a Soren wagon? It's a pretty agreeable wagon, wouldn't you say?

no

[PeaceBringer]

This game is moving at a pathetic pace and time is running out. Can we all agree on a Soren wagon? It's a pretty agreeable wagon, wouldn't you say?

no

So who are you scum reading enough to vote then?

you just can't help it can you-
when I make a decision on my vote I will vote...

[PeaceBringer]

I can vote for a couple slots but there Is no point to it as they are not around. Right now, this is the tact I am taking... or we could exchange shots back an forth while waiting for the prod/replace factors...how would that help?

[PeaceBringer]

PB, I mean your vig shot I think pretty much clears you as town. It's hard because the only people talking are people I think are town (except Soren who something is off about) and there's not much else to do.

We need a replace on Crowlage and possibly errant and then the replaces need to restate their claims. Maybe errant is scummy but I don't like voting in absentia.

this

[PeaceBringer]

but add ninja onto the mix

[PeaceBringer]

I am not going to be online here much tomorrow... birthday and all... so hopefully some action then-

[PeaceBringer]

thanks for the wish, quick stop in...I will throw a vote down tomorrow.

[PeaceBringer]

SERIOUSLY THOUGH...lynch me if you like, but I want to state for the record that I sincerely thought it would be taken as a joke. I would never purposely play against my win condition.

yeah, humor and shtick do not go over well around here...

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Persivul isn't going to be scum...
I don't think it is wise right now to go with one of the "watchers" in Ricastle and Soren. Obviously they cannot make it to lylo but the behavior was predicatable.
I also know I rub Ricastle the wrong way, and he is irritating me. Also soren was one I wanted emotionally to off, so my guess is he is as he claims.

After putting in though and thinking over my cards the errant/RC slot is the one to be flipped at this point.

vote RC

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I think it's odd he thought Soren is scum but doesn't vote him

huh, when did I say that. He is the type that pushed my buttons and emotional trigger me. I was tempted to shoot him but that would be emotions. Fact is he watched me. He is a watcher along with Ricastle. So for Soren to be one of the killers he would have a kill and a watch at the same time. Same with Ricastle. I do not think either are the play today.

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Oh good lord. Is anyone other than me Farside & Bert town?

seriously? this kind of comments are over the top...

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well RC is town then...lol
hadn't seen that before
RC- quite calling yourself better than others, you were a reasonable suspect...

unvote

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VOTE: Soren

so what is your argument here really. Lets go back to the start of the day.
You proclaim Soren scum.
He comes out and claims watched me and his results matched your watching?
Are you figuring that KCC was killed for bodyguarding me?
Yet the doctor was protecting me as well, so wouldn't KCC been protected as my bodyguard?

I do not get the obsessing on this and why soren is getting votes. Please explain this thought process folks voting Soren.
It seems to me that folks are not even attending to the game at hand.

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Mod: would a doctor protect a bodyguard or only protectee?

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PB who do you think is scum? Cause I'm at quite a loss here.

this is what I am trying to sort out right now...
RC town
Peri Town

bert seems town vanillizer

ricastle and soren are both watchers

down to farside and elusive

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Pot.....I'm going to tell you there is no kettle to compare to you.

first of all, we don't see eye to eye or get along really... so wtf was your point?

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I think it's odd he thought Soren is scum but doesn't vote him

huh, when did I say that. He is the type that pushed my buttons and emotional trigger me. I was tempted to shoot him but that would be emotions. Fact is he watched me. He is a watcher along with Ricastle. So for Soren to be one of the killers he would have a kill and a watch at the same time. Same with Ricastle. I do not think either are the play today.

Sorry I took it to mean you were scum reading the guy not just wanting to shot him because ......emotion.....what did he say that made you feel like shooting him?

sorry, did not see this question...
it was the whole attitude... emotion does not make sense but it was the whole approach on day 1...

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1) I asked you a question you ignored
2) you are bypassing scum can do watch and kill
3) you said nothing about the points against Soren other then to throw his role up like it confirms him.

If I don't answer a question it is because I missed it.
2.) yeah, I might not be fully taking that into account... Ricastle and Soren would be the same
3.) what are the points, that he shifts votes and reads. That is null behavior and in my experience more likely to come from town not scum. Soren could be scum. But yeah, looking at the whole bit around me has the appearance of less than likely scum. Ricastle came out hot and heavy, Soren came out with the watching... it all played out a way that seemed town. Now given more than one type of scum likely, and not considering 2 actions allowed 1 person, that does change the flavor. But that whole scene is one that pointed me to sorting out the other elements of first. For all I know Soren and Ricastle are scum. Hell, it could have been scum theatre for all I know. Does not read like that. And actually both Ricastle and Soren have interactions that irritate me, as do you for that matter. when irritated, it is harder for me to be objective.

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I'm not effective at building cases.

I see scummy stuff and he becomes a scumread but I can't really put it into the words in the same way it goes into my mind.

+1- some folks just do not understand us intuitive types

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Mafia is a game where you have to convince players to see what you see or at least understand it. I think of myself as having intuitive "feelings" about players. Then I look at the data and try to support my case. Otherwise it's like someone telling you to do something based on their horoscope, it just doesn't fly. And someone wise once told me that intuition is based on some actual post\language\tone\behavior\something that can be analyzed, the harder part is figuring out what it is.

Ricastle hasn't tried to antagonize me, which is interesting but I'm also thinking that one of him or Soren is scum and Soren seems scummier? I don't think Ricastle could fake his excitement at revealing\info?

VOTE: Soren

there is some persuasion goes on here, but is really a myth that folks do much "convincing" around her or communicating in a way that people understand. It really does not happen much.
Ultimately, as to the game, you identify a suspect, you get a claim, you sort out the information. And yes, intuition is based on something but the intuitive brain is not one that easily pieces together. When I try to actually piece together elements, I have been wrong more than right. Oh, and I come from a place where folks do not say much, do a lot of shtick and so on, but you have already heard that.

right now I have no intuition on anything, nothing is screaming at me, other then trying to muddle through the facts and having a narrow range. And now that we have the claims out, it is a matter of PoE...
Ricastle and Soren's behaviors have the appearance to have played out straight forward and that is my gut.

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Well I'm at L-1

I'm town.

Take a look at Bert, elusive and farside tomorrow if I end up being lynched.

Not that anyone bothers to check the dead's posts and opinions anyways, but oh wells.

those are the direction am looking at...

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I want to go back and look at who was pushing yesterdays stupidity.

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ah yes, farside... I an absolutely go farside...
I still am SMH over the decision...

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I thought Soren was wolf with emonis

As I said, it was a stupid thought... easy to hide behind if you are scum...
perhaps it is about those that went along with the stupidity quietly though... it is really something that could go either way.

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SMH?

shaking my head

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Soren did play very weirdly to be honest, his play does't make sense and the only thing he said was he wasn't invested which was a bad argument. PB what do you think of the Soren wagon?

I thought it was crap, I expressed thoughts that it was crap. "Not making sense" is not scum behavior. I see such run up around here over and over and over and over with similar results. It is stupid play. There was no reason to go that direction. None. Guess what, town, in general have to make a guess. Town in general are more likely to flip around. Soren was trying to engage the game but just was flopping. His behavior was null to town... but hey, guess what, you can now rule out the fucking scum watcher theory. A complete waste. Now I am trying to sort out who is scum in the foolishness and if there was scum doing something else... (as in Zoro.)
For all the proclamations of reasons and logic, there was nothing reasonable or logical about that...

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Persivul, numbers are not my strong suit. Did Ninja Boy ever claim? The problem is that if he didn't claim, Bert can claim almost anything right now and there's no way to confirm or deny it?

you been here the whole game and you do not know this?

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Ninja Boy disappeared a while back and didn't claim I think, I have to ISO when not phone posting to check but I'm not sure and my memory's imperfect.

PB, you were pushing Ricastle too even though he was more obviously town based on his meta. There is a slight difference there.

did I say to lynch him, nope... he was making bad takes imo...we butted heads. sure, did I consider the possibility, yes, but I thought dealing with the watchers was not the play, and I said so, many times... the argument by Farside pointing out a watcher could kill and watch was what tilted things...

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Also my mother didn't raise no fool

Vote: no lynch

what the hell information do you think you will gain by a no lynch... bad guys narrowing down 2 more? Please explain your logic here...

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Also my mother didn't raise no fool

Vote: no lynch

what the hell information do you think you will gain by a no lynch... bad guys narrowing down 2 more? Please explain your logic here...

I'm immune to kills.
Elusive is obvious scum. Why lynch anyone else but him?

so what is pro town for anyone else... you are not voting elusive, you just voted no lynch...
why is elusive obvious scum?
why don't we just lynch you?

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WTF- skimmed over the Only one of bert or farside can be lynched....
well that is a pile of fuck...

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well there is no way out of this muck then... brilliant...
I am too disgusted... scum aligned gladiator crap... lovely...

only chance is if one of bert/farside are scum...

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clearly there are at least 2...

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there is just no way for town to win here...
so I ain't voting, this can go to a deadline as far as I am concerned...
there is no more point
whichever of you are scum... well played
bye

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well, correction, only way for town to win is to get the scum of the 2 of you if you are both town, the it is peri and elusive, clearly and one of them will win

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pretty sure elusive is one
so either peri is the other or one of bert and far...
also if one of scum decides to try and off the other...
welp..
this is craptastic

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I feel like I am the only town, since there was in fact a cult... peachy

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PB: if that was true the game would be over.
I thought yesterday persivul and Elusive was scum together, but the unvote from persivul and berts flip makes me think Elusive is the last scum

not with opposing scum...

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PB: if that was true the game would be over.
I thought yesterday persivul and Elusive was scum together, but the unvote from persivul and berts flip makes me think Elusive is the last scum

bert an unconnected scum, really? only 1 scum left and you claim you were shot, seriously, you are selling that load of crap...

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I refuse to pick which scum will win

No Lynch...

out pretty sure this will go the 2 weeks until deadline.
Maybe if someone actually told the truth I may go ahead and give you all the win but clearly far and elusive are scum...
leaves perri...
so we will go 2 weeks and night moves will determine

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that was

vote no lynch