Mini 1673 - Greatest Idea Mafia (Game Over!)
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In post 24, Soren wrote:In post 11, Ricastle wrote:VOTE: Enomis
As these discards look pretty mediocre, to get the ball rolling, why don't we all reveal the card we used for our alignment? Would anyone be up for that?
This is kinda scummy. In the other greatest idea mafia game i played someone suggested something similar and it was shot down. Since the more cards you reveal, the easier it would be for scum to know what cards are already used, and can therefore fake claim.
Why are you asking people to reveal their alignment card?
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In post 36, Soren wrote:In post 34, PeaceBringer wrote:the asking, not the questioning the asking that is
You mean, upon reading my post, you now find Ric sketchy?
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In post 45, Ricastle wrote:Peace, any particular reason you aren't voting, or even making a comment on, Jeanne?
we are on page 2... I have not felt like voting yet... i don't know what to think of Jeanne...
she comes off as genuine and does not seem to be anything of a threat...-
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In post 44, Soren wrote:In post 43, PeaceBringer wrote:In post 36, Soren wrote:In post 34, PeaceBringer wrote:the asking, not the questioning the asking that is
You mean, upon reading my post, you now find Ric sketchy?
no, I was making a comment...
Yes a comment. You said someone/something is sketchy.
something, generally there is a propensity in varied setups for scum to propose some sort of "claim" element as part of looking town, so it has raised my eyebrow but I really want to observe more...-
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In post 49, KittyCupCake wrote:Yes, I did propose that claim as the SK, but only because it's the first thing I would have done as town, and wanted to earn some points by saying it first. The moment I was given the opportunity, I turned around and started fighting against it.
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In post 50, Ricastle wrote:
She has literally claimed a non-town faction only she is in. You must think she's a Survivor, then?In post 46, PeaceBringer wrote:we are on page 2... I have not felt like voting yet... i don't know what to think of Jeanne...
she comes off as genuine and does not seem to be anything of a threat...
eh, not worried about an indy/non-town aligned. Not all non-town aligned are threats including survivors, jesters, lynchers and so on... I think an acutal threat would not have engaged in such a way...-
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In post 55, Soren wrote:In post 52, PeaceBringer wrote:In post 50, Ricastle wrote:
She has literally claimed a non-town faction only she is in. You must think she's a Survivor, then?In post 46, PeaceBringer wrote:we are on page 2... I have not felt like voting yet... i don't know what to think of Jeanne...
she comes off as genuine and does not seem to be anything of a threat...
eh, not worried about an indy/non-town aligned. Not all non-town aligned are threats including survivors, jesters, lynchers and so on... I think an acutal threat would not have engaged in such a way...
You use a lot of ... in your posts.
It gives a rather uncertain tone.
go read my meta, this is something I do... I am comfortable generating uncertainty...-
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In post 57, KittyCupCake wrote:I would have done the exact same thing as town though, so I don't think it means much.
It can go either way, which is why I simply said it was sketchy....-
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In post 73, Ricastle wrote:
There is none. The only available roles that fit her criteria are Survivor and Down Lyncher.In post 71, PeaceBringer wrote:um, folks, what is the most likely role of 2 people "aligned" and not necessarily town aligned that pose no threat?
By "who I am aligned with" I'm pretty sure she just means her faction.
a lover can be simply aligned with their lover...-
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In post 78, Ninja Boy Hideo wrote:In post 72, Soren wrote:In post 70, Ninja Boy Hideo wrote:Then at least comment on the reasoning in my post above.
Which reasoning? That I should claim my alignment card?
Spoiler:
Yeah, Lover is an ability not an alignment.
this, we pick an "Alignment card" and a role card. A lover can be unaligned. Looking at rules there can be a "mason group" and a "lover group" without a Town designation even...-
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In post 114, Crowlage wrote:PeaceBringer are you aligned with Jeane? I've been curious on why you've been defending her so readily.
nope, I defend stuff I think is stupid... it is stupid reaction to her on stuff that has no indication of a threat...-
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there is nothing inherently scummy about what she siad or done. There is nothing "threatening" about what she did. In other words, based on her behavior and the phsychology of the exchange there is no reason to state that. And you provided no reason, just said, um that is scummy. Which basically means not something you would say or do. Folks can lynch her if they want, but it really is poor play at this juncture to be focused in on a probable non-threat... may just as well no lynch if that is what you are going to do...In post 117, Soren wrote:In post 109, PeaceBringer wrote:In post 107, Soren wrote:Ok she's scum then.
idiotic statement here...
Explain how and why it is idiotic please. You resorted to an ad hominem attack instead of questioning the line of reasoning behind my post.
At the start of the game she said that she is the only one in her faction.
She chose mason as her alignment card. She cannot have chosen town mason because there are more than one town in the town faction. Therefore she chose some other mason card. Which is either werewolf mason or survivor mason. Which means she is either aligned with werewolf or survivor, and in that faction, she is the only one.-
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In post 135, BRantz wrote:Oh, well that makes it even worse. You're right, just re-looked at the roles no jesters.
there is lynchbait though...-
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In post 138, BRantz wrote:I am somewhat concerned about that Peace. But it seems less likely the more Jeanne posts to me.
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In post 142, Ricastle wrote:Lynchbait is if it's lynched, all lynchers in the game win, right? Who the hell would choose that as their role?
I don't understand why you're so desperate to defend Jeanne, Peace. It's seriously weird.
desperate is your perception
I am not desperate...
just doing with I do...
at default in comparison to mafiascum standards and culture my baseline would be considered weird...-
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In post 174, Crowlage wrote:Well seeing PeaceBringer willing to protect Jeane and I buy her claim, I don't see mafia/3rd party doing something like that. So if Jeane really does fit the Town Cult Leader I think PeaceBringer may be safe as well.
please do not conclude affiliation... the push on this was highly anal and stupid... her behavior was clear she was not a town threat... I actually do sense that there is something there, but no, folks cannot live with the ambiguity and just had to know... her play was town all day... just awkard and poorly executed and the akward and poor execution always gets run up around here, usually with poor results.-
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In post 177, Soren wrote:In post 174, Crowlage wrote:Well seeing PeaceBringer willing to protect Jeane and I buy her claim, I don't see mafia/3rd party doing something like that. So if Jeane really does fit the Town Cult Leader I think PeaceBringer may be safe as well.
Buddying up with players is a scum tactic so then if they get lynched and flip scum the person they buddied up with looks bad
that was not "buddying"- if you look at any calling a town action as ill advised as buddying, well then it is all just mob mentality and no one should ever identify town reads or go to bat for them. Town defends perceptions of town plenty. This post is awful from you.-
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and you go from bad to worse...-
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In post 192, Soren wrote:
Thus is wrong.
no lynch should never be consider on day 1, ever...-
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In post 201, KittyCupCake wrote:In post 199, Soren wrote:Does farside's 183 make you think that she doesn't have a targetting ability?
I don't want to play that game until I decide if I trust Jeanne. -Because if she's lying, then revealing all targeting abilities is bad.
this can probably be settled soon enough...-
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In post 217, elusive wrote:? Explain, PB? You just sort of flipped massively?
Kitty, if by some of chance she's scum and now you've been converted into scum or goo then would you really tell us? No because that would be against wincon. So my plan only works if we can certainty say her alignment but does anyone who targets her become goo\convert or only people trying to kill her?
Therefore, if she only converts those who try to kill her that makes life easier as first thing to do is find out her alignment. Then, the next night all players that are suspicious have to target her?
I guess there's some flaws in the plan, though? I can't think anymore but people with experience might comment on the claimed role and such.
Jeanne, why did you claim Mason? I think that's what sort of leads me to believe your claim about your role if not alignment. Claiming mason would set a scum target on your back and if they attacked they would be converted to your cult (town or other?). So that seemed like a good plan before you were forced to full claim, if indeed you are town.
Can you share if the person who attempts kill is converted or anyone who targets you?
well if folks that are aligned with Jeanne only get a town win then I am screwed as town, right? so it is not in my town interest right? anyone who targets her converts...-
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In post 217, elusive wrote:? Explain, PB? You just sort of flipped massively?
Kitty, if by some of chance she's scum and now you've been converted into scum or goo then would you really tell us? No because that would be against wincon. So my plan only works if we can certainty say her alignment but does anyone who targets her become goo\convert or only people trying to kill her?
Therefore, if she only converts those who try to kill her that makes life easier as first thing to do is find out her alignment. Then, the next night all players that are suspicious have to target her?
I guess there's some flaws in the plan, though? I can't think anymore but people with experience might comment on the claimed role and such.
Jeanne, why did you claim Mason? I think that's what sort of leads me to believe your claim about your role if not alignment. Claiming mason would set a scum target on your back and if they attacked they would be converted to your cult (town or other?). So that seemed like a good plan before you were forced to full claim, if indeed you are town.
Can you share if the person who attempts kill is converted or anyone who targets you?
asked and answered by mod elusive, please keep up-
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In post 224, Ninja Boy Hideo wrote:If you dayvig her and she flips Town Black Goo then you will be converted to cult aligned and she will die. It will be public information that you're cult aligned and you'll get lynched rather unanimously.
Its worth noting that Black Goo could be a fake claim here. I'm not really sure what the motivation behind that would be, but I'm not exactly sure Jeanne has any idea what she's doing right now anyway.
bah predits aren't being read quite yet
that has been established now, but thanks for the answer...
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In post 226, Ninja Boy Hideo wrote:the answer to your mod question is yes, which is the basis behind my point that no one who actually knows what they are doing picks Town Black Goo given the cards she claimed.
predit. well you literally just asked it
no mod answered my question on killing goo... trying to understand fully the other element. So really, this makes no sense at all...
she really cannot be left with the risk of 1. her lying 2. creating unknown cultists-
... unless someone has a better idea...
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In post 234, KittyCupCake wrote:In post 210, farside22 wrote:You guys are talking about targeting Jeannie and that it makes people cult.
I don't see the town motivation for that.
My motivation is winning with whatever tools are handed to me. -I'm currently town, but I have no issues with winning as the cult if presented with that option.
this is why Jeanne needs to be lynched...-
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In post 236, KittyCupCake wrote:In post 235, farside22 wrote:Why do you believe her?
I'm not sure I do. -Which is why I'd be willing to target her alone Tonight first, to see what happens, and report back Tomorrow.
um, no and if you do I will day vig your ass so fast...-
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In post 245, Crowlage wrote:I'm not sure on how the mafia/alignment chats work on Mafiascum but because Jeane is town and whoever targets her becomes anti-town of course they wouldn't share the same chat rooms so Jeane would never know who became a cultists or not.
So ultimately the role is a foe producer in this game isn't it?
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In post 247, Crowlage wrote:If you are who you claim to be PeaceBringer than I rather you use your ability for a more important time than riding of Black Goo and in turn converting yourself.
I'll see what others think of the situation but regardless it's a dangerous role to keep around and I may vote to rid of it In the end.
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In post 264, Soren wrote:All we need is at least 7 people that are down to target Jeanne11 and cult has effectively won the game.
THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN!!!!
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In post 311, Soren wrote:There's another option.
We leave Jeanne11 aliveBECAUSE SHE IS TOWNand no one target her. Since if you don't have 7 people as cult, you probably won't have much of a chance to win as you do now.
you already have people wanting to target her and even making plans to test her. Nope. Since I am the day vig. I demand she is lynched or I make myself a loser. No other options is viable. I am not going to advocate a mass claim at power roles and people are tripping over themselves to out that they can "target." We already have you and KCC being idiots...-
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In post 313, Soren wrote:In post 312, PeaceBringer wrote:In post 311, Soren wrote:There's another option.
We leave Jeanne11 aliveBECAUSE SHE IS TOWNand no one target her. Since if you don't have 7 people as cult, you probably won't have much of a chance to win as you do now.
you already have people wanting to target her and even making plans to test her. Nope. Since I am the day vig. I demand she is lynched or I make myself a loser. No other options is viable. I am not going to advocate a mass claim at power roles and people are tripping over themselves to out that they can "target." We already have you and KCC being idiots...
If you wasn't a day vig, would you target Jeanne11 and become cult?
it would be a temptation, certainly... I wouldn't fall all over myself announcing it either...
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In post 316, Soren wrote:In post 315, Ninja Boy Hideo wrote:I cant get over how bad of a decision picking Black Goo over Doctor is. That alone makes me want to say she's not town, but then again I dont see anything anywhere that indicates she has any idea whats going on right now.
At this point I think we just policy lynch her and move on.
Can we not lynch town please
you will be lynching someone who seems to have started as town today.
Either the "threat" generator in Jeanne
or waste a dag vig shot and have someone become former town...
It is one or the other. It is clear you want her around to try and get a cult win...-
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See it is not likely that there are 7 PR's with ability to target Jeanne that are not killing, may be close given the game structure though. So lets say we end up with 3-4 people targeting her. Then it is them staying alive and reducing the #s of the rest but without knowing who each other are. She cannot stay alive!-
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In post 323, Jeanne11 wrote:Sound to me like PeaceBringer wants me dead because I am town.
No I want you dead because you create an anti-town cult that will cause us problems...-
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In post 326, Soren wrote:In my last GIM game town lynched scum everyday but town still lost. Why? Because there were too many scum in the game. Every single town member we have is crucial and should be kept alive at all cost if we want to stand a chance at preventing scum from outnumbering us. Especially when we don't know how many scum are in this game.
you keep her alive there WILL BE MORE SCUM-
she is alive, then we have to lynch you and KCC... as you both made clear your intent. So we lose 2 town there. Then who knows how ever more potentials there is.
Keeping her alive increases the # of scum... it is not hard logic-
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In post 327, Crowlage wrote:This is such an interesting scenario...
certainly the strangest day 1 here I have been associated with, even bringing all sorts of game ethic questions into play...-
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In post 330, Soren wrote:There will only be more scum IF people target her. And that's assuming that town targets her. Maybe a scum targets her.
here is the deal, you have NO IDEA what will happen. YOU AND KCC ALREADY INDICATED YOU WOULD TRY FOR THE CULT...
she would be targeted, it would happen. We cannot trust otherwise.-
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In post 368, Ricastle wrote:If Jeanne is left alive the town will almost certainly lose. It doesn't matter if she's town - it needs to be done.
what about this is hard to understand?-
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