Mini 1696: SPACE DANDY MAFIA, GAME OVER
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I am the bringer of fire!
Also known as the True Mvp! I come from the wayward place of SC2Mafia where everyone is a special role, except here where I feel so weak trying to figure stuff out.
Won't you adopt me and hold me? I just need a hug.
End of silliness, Drama Queens voted me and I responded kindly. You call me rude but I was just pointing out how you were creating drama and that your name applies! I am not rude, you are!-
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You watch the whole show? I don't want to spoil it but yeah, watch up until the end.In post 110, Alchemist21 wrote:@Skullduggery, yeah, I see your point. I was exploring possibilities because the initial excitment just seemed off to me, but now I think the first-time hydra reason is plausible and more likely. The Dr Gel read was because DQ said they wanted something from Firebringer, who was dropping some quotes from Space Dandy. In the show Dr. Gel was always chasing after Space Dandy, so I thought there may be a connection there. In hindsight, it wouldn't make sense because for them to hint like they did as scum, they'd have to know the show to know Dandy's phrases, but at the same time not know enough to know Dr. Gel is the bad guy (which is made obvious by the first episode). Also, the fact that even the other head isn't sure what's going on is telling me I'm wrong on that anyway.
In post 108, Alchemist21 wrote:@Drama Queen, It's ok. How do I tell your heads apart? I think I'll need to be able to tell you two apart in this game.
I am the normal one. She is the one insisting theres a connection between us. Which I find very odd. I find her behavior suspicious in general.
In post 105, Alchemist21 wrote:I didn't realize both heads were posting now, and I completely missed one head not even knowing what the other head is talking about wrt firebringer, so I'll leave it alone for now.
UNVOTE:
We aren't one person, like what are you talking about? She keeps trying to say we are like one person or something, but we aren't.
Spoiler: We are Neighbors.-
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Umm yeah, I didn't even know I was in neighberhood, I didn't read full role card lol. Host had to pm me to remind me.
Also I didn't want to reveal but I think its better so that town isn't focused so much on us, (need more time for me to figure out if drama queen is scum) to look for more viable targets.
As I just posted in the Neighborhood chat, I think alchemist is trying very hard to be townie and that is suspicious to me.
I don't have enough suspicion on you yet to vote on you.
I want to hear more from BP he sounds like he is giving just basic answers to questions.-
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We have way too many votes on way too many people. It doesn't apply any pressure if its spread out like this.
Some questions I have right now.
BP why are you voting Klingoncelt? Why does he appear scum to you?
Klingoncelt, Yukari. Why are both of you refraining from voting, do any of you have reads yet? What do you think so far?-
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In post 242, Klingoncelt wrote:I just voted for Zakk, because he gave the lamest stock/fluff reads ever on my posts followed by a bad vote.
I'm Town, just so ya know.
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Yukari-Active scumhunting, getting reads on everyone. Being very active in game. I think he is most pro town in this game so far. I don’t think he is just scum appearing pro town though, just gut feeling on that. Strong Town Read
Alchemist-I posted before on my thoughts on him, I think he is scum trying to appear town. Moderate Mafia Read
Zakk-votes for klingoncelt for reasons that seems good. The fact he didn’t post till four pages in and only because he had a vote on him. Weak Mafia Read
BP-He hasn’t given much detail into his thoughts I think, he could be keeping most of it for later as town, not sure on him totally. Most of his recent posts are complete fluff. Weak Town read
Heartless-Jumps on Pokerface wagon pretty quick, he thinks Xtomx is a good vote too, which I don’t necessarily disagree with. Weak Mafia Read
Xtomx-rarely posts, doesn’t put much detail into them. Appears like active lurking. Strong Mafia Read
Oversoul-Appears to be tunneling on Pokerface, his reasons aren’t elaborated on, but hey I have done this strategy as town before so I am not going to go with other people saying that he is executioner. Weak Town Read
Drama Queen- I still have suspicions on her, I don’t think it’s likely both me and her are town. So I think I have good reason to distrust her. Weak Mafia Read
Klingoncelt-Doesn’t post much, he justifies his vote though when I asked him. I see why people voted him, but I don’t think he is scum yet. Weak Town Read
Pokerface-He doesn’t post a lot in the first few pages but I don’t think his posts are fluff either, he could just be not active town. Weak Town Read.
Elbirn-Not much thoughts on him, he hasn’t posted much and he doesn’t seem super active scumhunting, he asks a few questions but I don’t think he puts much pressure on them. Weak Mafia Read
Skullduggery-Not much thoughts on him, I think he is town. Just got that feeling. Weak Town Read.-
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In post 303, Yukari wrote:In post 302, Firebringer wrote:Drama Queen- I still have suspicions on her, I don’t think it’s likely both me and her are town. So I think I have good reason to distrust her. Weak Mafia Read
This just feels strange.
"I don’t think it’s likely both me and her are town."
The way you said this.. why? If she is town would that make you scum?
I just don't see why put a neighborhood together with two town, why not just have masons?
Also theres a chance we could both be Mafia. O_o
I think more likely 1 mafia 1 town. If you want to twist my words into supporting you thinking I am scum go ahead.
PEDIT: Because I told DQ was going to vote BP because I wanted more from him. Just because I think someone is possibly scum doesn't mean I don't think theres possibility that they might be voting on one of their allies. Due to WIFOM, if I was scum I would pressure my allies to create a good distance between us.-
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In post 324, zakk wrote:In post 307, Yukari wrote:In post 305, Firebringer wrote:[quote="In post 303, Yukar
In post 312, Yukari wrote:In post 298, Yukari wrote:
In post 212, Firebringer wrote:Umm yeah, I didn't even know I was in neighberhood, I didn't read full role card lol. Host had to pm me to remind me.
Host?
Also:
In post 302, Firebringer wrote:Yukari-Active scumhunting, getting reads on everyone. Being very active in game. I think he is most pro town in this game so far. I don’t think he is just scum appearing pro town though, just gut feeling on that. Strong Town Read
This feels scummy to us. Unless you are familiar with our meta, we should be getting null to scum read. We can see ppl reading us as town, but "most pro town in this game so far" and "strong town read"? And cuz gut?
Yes we are scumhunting and getting reads, but we are curious what you think our reads are and how this all translates into us being "most pro town". This is all the more interesting to us because although we just posted our reads list, we have intentionally left out the reasoning behind things for now.
Plus, let us compare our reads lists to see how similar they are:
Oversoul - Cpl things pinged us the wrong way, but overall Town.
-Weak Town Read
Klingoncelt - Slight scum/bad vibes
-Weak Town Read
Heartless (Hydra; Antihero & TellTaleHeart) - Town
-Weak Mafia Read
zakk - Didn't care for the voting block thing, but overall Town
-Weak Mafia Read
Elbirn - Town
-Weak Mafia Read
PokerFace - Scum
-Weak Town Read.
Skullduggery - Null
-Weak Town Read
BP - Slight Town
-Weak Town read
Drama Queens (Hydra; Ms. Marangal & Tammy) - Slight Town
-Weak Mafia Read
Alchemist21 - Town
-Moderate Mafia Read
Xtoxm - Town
-Strong Mafia Read
Soo.. we agree on BP, and that is the only exact match. So what is it about our reads that you like? Also, going by postcount, alchemist and drama queens are more active than us but get scum-read. Why are we the most town?
Your post looks like try to buddy us. We don't understand your reasoning.
VOTE: Firebringer
I don't see how you Xtoxm as town, nothing he posts shows has given me anything.
Alchemist21 I don't think is town, I just get bad vibe on him. Gut feeling. (meaning no exact post)
DramaQueen because neighborhood I explained this already.
Skull looks enough town for me not to put much analysis on him.
Looking back on Heartless I was probably wrong about that one. Didn't jump on the train, actually started it. Unlikely mafia starting a train.
Oversoul we agree on too, but I just say he is "weak town"
I don't see how Pokerface and Klingoncelt are mafia can you give me reasons again?-
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In post 354, BP wrote:*tick tock*
I'm gonnaunvote.
It's too soon to hammerdown. I wanna hear from Klingon, and risking hammer w/out his word with more than a week til deadline is just dumb.
wait don't you need a vote tag for that?
I agree we should hold off on hammer, I think Pokerface is innocent.
Not voting him yet, unless he gives me reason to suspect him, which so far he hasn't.-
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In post 361, BP wrote:Shit, we didn't hammer Klingon by a second.
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Seems like what scum would do. Put almost everyone as town as to not make any enemies.-
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In post 556, zakk wrote:In post 555, Firebringer wrote:
Seems like what scum would do. Put almost everyone as town as to not make any enemies.
That's like the opposite of what you're doing; so tell me, is that on purpose? (you having so many scum reads)
Not completely, but I do tend to see scum more than town.-
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None of DQ posts have much weight too it in substance, I can't fish anything useful of it out. If she wasn't my neighbor I would just write off as Null. Seeing as how I doubt a TvT, I am putting her as Scum until I have reason to suspect otherwise.-
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In post 561, Skullduggery wrote:
In post 555, Firebringer wrote:
Seems like what scum would do. Put almost everyone as town as to not make any enemies.
Who would they try to lynch then?
My wording on that is a little off, "putting almost everyone as town as to not make many enemies".
Anyways I would imagine scum start off keeping to themselves and being defensive maybe prodding a little but not give any scum/town leads. When the trains start coming they pile on to one they think will actually lynch. If trains starts not working they can abandon and refocus their 'reads' onto someone else.
Right now I suspect at least 1 person on Pokerface/Klingon is scum although thats doesn't exactly narrow it down.-
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In post 612, Xtoxm wrote:In post 574, zakk wrote:Still trying to figure out if that's a meta that older players hide behind or not
Either way, policy lynches are dumb
Policy lynches would tend to benefit the site in the long term. After you get policy lynched couple times for claiming VT..by people who previously were town reading you, you learn it make it an absolute last resort. I understand the argument behind it. For me, i'm somewhere in the middle. If someone I want to lynch claims VT, then it won't change my mind.
Strange how quickly those voting Klingon have abandoned the wagon.
In post 555, Firebringer wrote:
Seems like what scum would do. Put almost everyone as town as to not make any enemies.
Ireallywant to believe this is scum.
My understanding of a policy lynch is. . .X isn't playing how we want to play. Lynch them!
Its basically like bullying on this site. The same way as asking someone to be replaced is, I mean calling someones play bad or OMGUS is one thing but somethings seem a little more childish. . .
Anyways anyone have reads on Xtoxm? I still think he is scum. Also I would think scum would favor policy lynches than anyone else.-
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The push on me is real.
Anyways, I think evils are more willing to just join trains in the middle of them. Less likely to do so at beginning or end. The last two votes are more likely to be town. Since I said that who knows if the evils will do it differently. Especially in middle of trains less people expect you to give reasons for it (or I assume at least).
So far my vote on Xtoxm hasn't give me anything new, no evil or town reads. Gonna keep it there though, who knows maybe someone will see what I am seeing.-
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In post 653, zakk wrote:In post 652, Skullduggery wrote:In post 648, zakk wrote:In post 646, Skullduggery wrote:In post 577, zakk wrote:I'm just trying to figure out if PokerFace is a lazy wagon
Because I HATE those
What exactly is a "lazy wagon" and what does it indicate about the alignment of the person being wagoned, in your experience?
wagons where people aren't paying attention to the game, they just want to look busy and ~Do Something~ (as either alignment)
lazy wagons are usually on town, because scum isn't being as lazy as town.
You're saying that lazy wagons are pushed by both Town and Scum (and are therefore not alignment-indicative), but why would Town have any need to look like they're doing something?
If the composition of a lazy wagon is not alignment-indicative, how do you conclude that they are usually on Town players?
If Scum is less likely to push a lazy wagon since they aren't "being as lazy as Town," why do you not want to associate yourself with a wagon full of Town players?
because townies have a desire to look pro-town too, otherwise they'll be lynched
people get busy, they get behind, they jump on wagons to "do stuff" even though they have little/no read on someone
it's a real thing
and they're usually on town players because a) there are more town players, b) scum is less likely to let a wagon on them grow to that size without suggesting an alternate wagon, and c) herp derp why i am i answering these dumb questions
and you're not listening. scum is MORE likely to push a lazy wagon.
Townies have that incentive, but I don't think its even quite as great as evils.
If you think about it, you are pulled in for questioning by cops while being innocent.
Would you act super defensive and act innocent as hell? Or would you throw a fit and get pissed off that you are in the situation?
I think evil have more incentive to play "good boys" just like criminals try to be nice and cooperative with cops to make themselves appear more innocent.
If you are innocent, theres nothing you need to prove except tell the truth.
Those who are guilty must work harder to prove their 'innocence' which causes you to create a persona that people are more likely to not pressure/convict.-
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In post 657, zakk wrote:So you're saying I should vote you for acting all innocent then?
It's funny, you're doing my favorite scum tell. It's like clockwork.
Go ahead and vote me.-
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In post 685, zakk wrote:^ Hooray for survivalism. For that is as transparent as it is scummy.
You going to hammer or not? Or going to call me scum all day. I can work with either but the hammer is more useful for getting info to the town.
Right now you are just a broken record. Which is getting annoying.-
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Hold up, Mod the day one post says 5 days 20 minutes for Day 1. This is followed by each post saying the same. The first post was made on July 7. It is well passed 5 days. This a mistake?
I am guessing so. How much longer do we have?
The Deadline post updates in realtime with a countdown. The time shown on any of these deadlines is how much time you have left until the deadline as of right now.-
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Been gone for a few days, nice to be back playing.
Anyways, so Heartless was Meow huh. And there is another neighborhood?
Hmmm I wonder if the Neighborhood name indicates alignment?
Our neighborhood is named Jaicro Empire. I am guessing the Aloha is full of town. The Gogol Empire probably has a neighborhood and is the evil were are looking for.
Going off of votes alone I would say BP is most scum just by voting pattern.
So thats my vote:
VOTE: BP-
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Yeah, it might not be. Considering theirs what? Only about maybe two dozen characters in the show. Majority being only appearing in 1 shot off episodes. I think we can be assured that he probably wouldn't make it that obvious.
Anyways, keeping vote on BP, I think given his voting pattern is good enough reason to vote him. I don't think anything he says could change my mind. Unless he was Dandy or something. Or possibly QT (although like i said the flavor is probably not that indicative of alignment I think)-
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In post 793, Xtoxm wrote:Yeah I get that, but what I don't get is:
1. Where is he getting that i'm neighbors with Skull and Heartless
2. Why is he speculating on this
3. It's commonplace on this site to provide fakeclaims, so why would you assert that they are all town
1. Your interactions perhaps? I would have to go back and read but I swear someone claimed a role yesterday.
2. I think I was first to speculate that neighborhood indicates alignment. Though I didn't speculate who is in Aloha neighberhood.
3. My understanding of my role and the only other roles I have seen.
Right now I am guessing three neighborhoods/mafia chats
Gogol Empire (Scum Neighborhood)
Aloha Oi (Town Neighborhood)
Jaicro Empire (Probably full town Neighborhood)-
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@Skull I said that his voting pattern was a scum indicator but his actual posts said something completely different. I don't think Zakk is scum, I think more likely its BP or Klingoncelt but even Klingoncelt seems way to obvious to be actually scum. Seems like BP is safe bet if I were going solely on voting patterns.
Anyways. Still leaving vote here. Also not revealing my flavor unless I get pressured, I don't see you claiming your flavor either so don't expect me to either.-
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In post 918, Alchemist21 wrote:That seems to be the case. Why don't you vote xtoxm with me?
He joined pretty early on PF, my better judgement relying on the voting pattern tells me that Xtoxm isn't scum. Even though I read him as such yesterday as scum. My reliance on these voting patterns could screw me up though. . . . .-
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Drama Queen is the least scum player here, Who the hell hammered scum again? Yeah, DQ. You are so bad Zakk.
Also really on Yukari? Why not on Klingoncelt.
This looks bad, will we get a flip before day ends?
Why are so many people on DQ? Jeez you guys are acting like bad town.
Get of Elbirn, like he said when have you heard of scum day shooters?
Pedit: I don't think sabotage works after you already fired. Especially since its a night ability right? Also Yukari could still be scum with that ability.-
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Zakk I think you are town almost a 100%, you are just totally misguided on this game. This whole game you have been on wrong side and you have managed to have so many people think you are scum.
How is DQ scum? Point it specifically out, because everything points to no.
You say relying on votes is bad, well actions speak louder than words. How often does scum hammer their own?-
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In post 992, zakk wrote:P.s. I was like the only one to get the scum right in our last game so don't you dare give me attitude
I was right before therefore I am right now. Yeah. . . .not going to go there.
No, I tend to no read half of your posts because most of them are grouped together. I assume your first post contains all content you want to say and the rest are fluff. How about just posting everything at once?