Mini 1696: SPACE DANDY MAFIA, GAME OVER

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ahhhhhhhhhh

I just realized I know next to nobody here

VOTE: Oversoul

I kinda know him though!

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disclamer:

I feel like a raging fireball at the present moment, watch out!

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no, she's swimming

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*yawn*

VOTE: Fire bringer

serious vote.

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And to think, this is only one of the heads!

pedit: :/

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Firebringer should, actually die, though.

Or, give me what I want...

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(this is a hydra between Ms. Marangal and Tammy. Ms Marangal has been posting thus far)

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Mara + Tammy, did you guys watch Space Dandy?

nope! I just asked tammy if she wanted to play varsoons game.

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what's up with all these useless posts?

Pedit: we didn't

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Scum:

Firebringer
BP

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Dude, you aren't even scum-reading us.

pedit: most likely 3.

why are there still so many shitposts

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I'm not voting you, I'm voting firebringer.

pay attention to the game state, for one.

actually talk about serious things instead of complaing and asking for flavor though the latter can be ok depending where you go with it.

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That's what I meant, sorry.

Fine. Why is firebringer scum then?

he's being rude, as well as avoiding me.

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Hi!

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Oh less serious we should get started right away head checking in!

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I was excited to hear from my other half

I think she may have died

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VOTE: Drama Queens

The excitement level in their opening posts seems overdone to me.

I am laughing.

but, I'll bite. Why is this scum-motivated?

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do you really think that's plausible?

and, you've played with me (mara) before. Do you really think it's abnormal for my play.

also, do you really think it's purely scum motivated (IE has no town motivatoin behind it)

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That's what I meant, sorry.

Fine. Why is firebringer scum then?

he's being rude, as well as avoiding me.

:p

I was excited to hear from my other half

I think she may have died

Sorry I was walking earlier. I'm back now, but going to eat dinner. I'll be back with thoughts in a minute. Though I'm interested to see how this Alchy/you exchange goes.

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^I don't remember you posting this much in the early game, but I'm not an expert on your play. Yes, it is plausible for scum to be more excited at gamestart if they like being scum. The general excitement could be Town, but it felt like scum. Also, as I looked closely at the thread, you called Firebringer for "beinfpg rude" and I think you were pretty rude to BP yourself. Your posts in that regard seem as if you're a little on edge.

it's common knowledge that I hate scum, no questions about it.

firebringer is a special person, and I want interact with him the most.

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(this is also my first game ever with tammy, so I am actually pretty damn excited)

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Firebringer should, actually die, though.

Or, give me what I want...

Well here's a hint as to why Firebringer may be special. If Firebringer was pretending to be Dandy, then I guess that would make you the evil Dr. Guy who's name I can't remember.

That's not it, and it's not really important to anyone else at the moment. Any attempt to figure it out will just go awry.

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Sorry I was walking earlier. I'm back now, but going to eat dinner. I'll be back with thoughts in a minute. Though I'm interested to see how this Alchy/you exchange goes.

well so far it's really fucking boring

in vino veritas tonight?

yeah, I can see that.

Hell yeah, though, let's share a bottle or two!

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I think the one thing jumping out at me is that I don't like Yukari asking how many scum there are. They've played a mini theme before, so the question just feels odd.

Mara's doing this thing with fire bringer though and I want to see where that goes. Need to talk to her.

Anti - I actually have an early weak town read on Oversoul for those questions. He has a tendency to focus on something pretty small that most people think is irrelevant, so this is pretty normal.

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I wasn't asking for how roles were distributed, but thanks.

no, you're asking a question that's moot

nobody "chose their character." varsoon just said that.

Hmm... If Drama were scum, would they have crumbed their role like that? Maybe if they were unfamiliar with the series and thought flavor=\= alignment.

VOTE: Drama Queens

My Dr. Gel read on them is something I want to pursue.

P-edit: It will go awry, eh? If it's not important to anyone else, then why state it in-thread? You've come this far, why not come out with it?

That's not our role; we're not scum, but good try!

I'm just telling you you're going to guess wrong. Firebringer is special to us for a reason; it's not important for anyone else to know at this minute.

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I'm just telling you you're going to guess wrong. Firebringer is special to us for a reason; it's not important for anyone else to know at this minute.

Why tease us with this information?

IT'S NOT IMPORTANT.

JEEZUZ.

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because I'm a naughty, naughty girl!

also, lol neither of us know absolutely nothing about the flavor, and it has already been said so I wouldn't know if he was pretending to be a character.

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I agreee Drama Queens behaviour is very suspicious, calls me a "special person" but doesn't elaborate on that. I don't know Queens typical playstyle so it could be nothing. Going to keep my vote on Queen for time being though, nothing else is jumping out at me right now.

don't play sly, you know why your special.

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Oversoul, why do your scum-reads seem eerily similar to mine?

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BP and firebringer, from what I can tell.

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I've put her in a somewhat awkward position.

firebringer is important to me, but you guys don't need to know why at this point in time. I may reveal it some time later on, but at current you guys know all you need to know in regards to our relationship.

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I'm just telling you you're going to guess wrong. Firebringer is special to us for a reason; it's not important for anyone else to know at this minute.

Why tease us with this information?

IT'S NOT IMPORTANT.

JEEZUZ.

Then why did you even bring it up? You're still appearing to be on edge.

Give it a fucking break. You don't need to know everything on page five of the fucking game. It will come out when we figure out exactly what it means and not a moment before.

If I'm on edge at the moment it's because of stupid fucking needle ass questions like this when you should just sit back and leave it alone. Like try scum hunting for a change. That might be a start and then maybe I won't be so much on edge because you are trying to fuck with my other head's scum hunting.

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I didn't mean to be overly bitchy, but Mara is trying to get a read on fire bringer and I want her to be able to do that. She'll explain in due time, but it doesn't need to be right now.

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*twitch*

What's funny about fire is he claims he doesn't know what is special about him but then gives you the spoiler that we are neighbors. That's our connection tada.

Mara didn't like that he was avoiding listing in the neighborhood, that's what him "being rude and avoiding her" was, and she made it clear in the neighborhood that she was suspicious of the fact that he didn't post at all in the neighborhood. (It's something I'm not fond of except I wrongly suspected fiery of the same thing in smite, so I was watching how it played out).

Anyway, Mara told him that she wanted to sort him in the neighborhood and asked for his thoughts in the game and he's pretty much responded with a how dare you ask for thoughts, ogph they're pressuring you type vibe in the neighborhood all the while out here claiming he doesn't know what the connection is.

I told Mara I didn't want her to out the neighborhood right away so we could get reads.

For instance, alchemist and fire ringer almost definitely cannot be scum together based on alch's posts today and his conspiracy theory.

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Although fire fingers post also confuses me because he doesn't seem to realize alch's talking about both heads of the hydra rather than queen and fire ringer?

Idk

Oh and alchy - neither of us will sign our posts but our voices should be able to be differentiated as we post rather differently.

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Oh and alchy - neither of us will sign our posts but our voices should be able to be differentiated as we post rather differently.

Other Half hath spoken!!!

I feel like I am a little more straight forward, and brash than she is and she is more... proper

I don't think he is scum, ill analyze him more later. Going to give more reads on people later. Right now I am off to bed.

WE ARE FEMALE, BOTH OF US. FEMALE.

You guys misplayed the whole neighbor thing in my opinion. That probably makes Fire town.

VOTE: BP

You're boring

VOTE: Oversoul

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dunno. we will see later if I am yelled at!

@ mod Fix my slip please!

also, PK why are you RQS'ing. Furthermore, why are you RQS'ing when there is a bit of stuff to actually question?

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Watching the interaction between Fire and the DQ.

And?

I'm having a hard time deciding which is Town and which is Scum.

It almost looks like Scum trying to distance.

from the sound of this post, it seems you have gotten to the point where we are revealed. so

why would scum want to distance from their town neighbor?

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also, PF I (mara) am the more brash one

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you're PK >.>

I feel like they were pretty random, though!

What do you get from spectating experiene and such? (which is what I am gathering from your questions)

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What do you think about Firebringer and Drama Queens interactions wrt their neighborhood. I'm not asking for setup spec, but how you think they've all played the role?

I mean... neighbours would use the hood to plan that, wouldn't it? Tho Drama Queens did tell them they were being ignored, but to no avail.

I have no idea why any of them would lie about it tho. So... I really don't know what to think about that. Reading both as town because of that.

uuuuhhhhhhhhhh

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the interaction seemed genuine. they're either neighbours, masons or scum with day chat. I'm not sure about daychat scum - that's pretty unusal, even for bastards, right?

it is a possibility. but i'm inclined for town, mainly cuz of Drama queens.

uuuhhmmm.....

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And that gets followed by this. You didn't want to talk with your neighbor until this got brought up in thread?

what?

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Watching the interaction between Fire and the DQ.

And?

I'm having a hard time deciding which is Town and which is Scum.

It almost looks like Scum trying to distance.

When have you seen scum try to distance that way before?

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Yukari - in ori, you seemed frustrated because that setup was too complicated and you preferred the simplicity of the matrix 6 game, but you also tried to understand the setup in a more cohesive and comprehensive way and took the game a bit more seriously. Is there a reason you signed up for a Bastard game while preferring simplicity?

~~~

I'm amused at being considered "proper", though that might be accurate with the exception that I curse like a sailor. It's not meant to be offensive, I just have a tendency to curse when I feel rather...passionate about things. Which is kinda weird because I actually don't curse that much in real life.

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Hero aligned as in town or hero as in royal mafia

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I'm not sure at all why we're voting oversoul. I still am leaning town on him, so that's something we'll have to talk about. I might even go rogue and move it by the end of my catch up!

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You guys misplayed the whole neighbor thing in my opinion. That probably makes Fire town.

VOTE: BP

How does that make Fire Town? Are "you guys" just DQ or does it include Firebringer?

Actually, with reading over souls response to this it might be accurate. We have day talk, so I'd imagine scum do too, which would mean that fire ringer would have told his partners that he was in a neighborhood and they would have offered advice on how to deal with it.

In the neighborhood fire ringer was concerned that Maria's hinting at a relationship between the two of us made people suspicious that we were scum together, which I was thinking spoke to a self-conscious mind and was nervous that he was already found out. Though he also doesn't seem to know what a hydra is, so right now I'm kinda thinking that he could be town who thought he was being setup to be linked to possible scum.

So, he probably is town, or third party if anything, but probably not group scum.

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hoodz

You were just in a game with an all town hood where there was this discussion. Why are you not adding anything meaningful to the discussion?

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Isn't not reading your role against the rules?

Heh, the amount of games I didn't read my entire role before starting to post is numerous. You're suppised to know your alignment and who your partners are if scum. Not reading your entire role is not breaking any rules. In fact, I probably wouldn't know what our entire role was if Mara hadn't texted it to me, though I'd not have missed the link for the neighborhood.

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Oh my self-centered little drama queen heart loves that this page is all me right now.

I like skull-dug grey, alchemist, and oversoul for town. Leaning township on firebringer or at least not group scum.

VOTE: klingon

Need to talk to Mara about others, and pk does concern me with the hero/royal thing but I'm not completely sold on scum there.

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I'm too tired to catch up here tonight. Hopefully tomorrow. Maybe Mara will be around if I'm not.

(I have company coming over tomorrow and generally weekends are busy for me. I'll try to be around as much as I can, but I wouldn't expect too much out of this head.)

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Mara 1/2 V/LA until monday

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Mara 1/2 V/LA until monday

extended indefintely, hopefully by sometime next week

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Dunno if Tammy's here, but I am for about an hour if anyone wants to chat!

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mmmm...

I would move my neighbor to probably town, maybe keep klingoncelt where he is, move down Zakk, move Xtom to town and question the skull town read that you have there.

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Oh yukari!

I think they have a chance of being scum, as well... but not very likely

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mmmm.... Maybe... analysis is easy, though and it tends to take more than that to sway me. I also find analysis easier when you have previous information

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What I personally like the most,though is Elbirin scum.

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I have reads out there

don't need thoughts on everyone!

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probably.

I've put a good amount of legwork in already, and all I want to currently do is chat.

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Oh my self-centered little drama queen heart loves that this page is all me right now.

I like skull-dug grey, alchemist, and oversoul for town. Leaning township on firebringer or at least not group scum.

VOTE: klingon

Need to talk to Mara about others

, and pk does concern me with the hero/royal thing but I'm not completely sold on scum there.

Dunno if Tammy's here,

but I am for about an hour if anyone wants to chat!

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context is key.

still in the process of compare/contrasting

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Xtom doesn't have a whole lot of activity, but the activity he does have is pretty solid and advances the game-state as much as he can. He's very clearly reading, and he's bringing quite a bit to the table.

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also

Retract V/LA

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Tammy head was hoping I'd be able to catch up here tonight, but I had grading to catch up on after having company all weekend. I'm super tired and will catch up tomorrow.

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Reminder to myself, and for anyone who likes meta, a Klingon scum game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I'm surprised it took me so long.

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Can I get the Cliff's notes please?

Sure, tomorrow when I review it. It may amount to nothing, but there were a few behaviors in that game that I wrote off as town and I want to review it after I ctach up here tomorrow to refamiliarise myself.

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god

damn
it

oversoul

i wish for the warm embrace from someone who loves me. so far, tammy and mara have left me out in the

cold

hold
me
?

I'm not putting any effort in working with someone who isn't here, and hasn't made their alignment apparent when that's their strongest ability~

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Also, I remember from some time earlier that someone asked me where he's advanced the gamestate, or has been useful?

well, basically most of his posts are pushing something or a response to another that can easily be made to inquire about which is alot more than what I can say for other people atm. If you can't see it then... IDK?

..... I am talking to heartless (SPecifically antihero) at that point.

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Changing vote after talking to neighbor a bit.

VOTE: BP

I don't think he is scum, ill analyze him more later. Going to give more reads on people later. Right now I am off to bed.

What was there in the neighborhood that we talked about that made you change your vote that wasn't there when you made your neighbor claim just two hours prior to this post?

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Anti - I'm around tonight if you want in vino veritas!

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Watching the interaction between Fire and the DQ.

And?

I'm having a hard time deciding which is Town and which is Scum.

It almost looks like Scum trying to distance.

When have you seen scum try to distance that way before?

I might have missed it, but since you claimed it again last night I'm guessing you haven't, but could you answer this question, please and thank you!

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You guys misplayed the whole neighbor thing in my opinion. That probably makes Fire town.

VOTE: BP

How does that make Fire Town? Are "you guys" just DQ or does it include Firebringer?

Actually, with reading over souls response to this it might be accurate. We have day talk, so I'd imagine scum do too, which would mean that fire ringer would have told his partners that he was in a neighborhood and they would have offered advice on how to deal with it.

In the neighborhood fire ringer was concerned that Maria's hinting at a relationship between the two of us made people suspicious that we were scum together, which I was thinking spoke to a self-conscious mind and was nervous that he was already found out. Though he also doesn't seem to know what a hydra is, so right now I'm kinda thinking that he could be town who thought he was being setup to be linked to possible scum.

So, he probably is town, or third party if anything, but probably not group scum.

Hmm.. Would a noobTown player think they were being setup like that though? I guess it's possible, but how likely is it?

Also, can you give us any insight as to why he voted BP when he didn't believe in the vote?

Anything is possible. Once I kinda whiteknighted a newb town player. It was her first game and she was honestly trying but people were coming down on her and I defended her. She was convinced I was defending her because I was scum trying to draw a link between us. It was true that I was scum, but I just really felt bad for her that she was trying and was getting so much flak for her opinions.

So, sure I can see it.

I have no idea why he voted BP. He didn't talk about his vote there.

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I like that firebringer has so many scum reads even if some of his scum reads aren't for the greatest of reasons. Unless someone just really enjoys scum, often noobscum have a problem finding too many people scummy because they know they're town, so they end up having too many town reads.

Now his isn't too rock solid because there are people like me who generally do have too many town reads, but the weird cross-eyed way he looks at pretty much everyone doesn't feel that way, but his yukari read is weird, and it would be nice if he'd actualky read our ousts and make an honest read about that besides they're my neighbor so they can't be town!

Pedit: yep!

Pedit2: I agree that heartless is probably town, but that's a bad tell to use.

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Ok.

Also, I noticed you have 6 scumreads in your reads list. That's way too many for a game this size, but I think that's more likely to come from NoobTown because noobscum probably wouldn't want to step on a lot of toes.

UNVOTE:

Oh heh, this is what you asked me to address and it's what I just talked about.

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Ok.

Also, I noticed you have 6 scumreads in your reads list. That's way too many for a game this size, but I think that's more likely to come from NoobTown because noobscum probably wouldn't want to step on a lot of toes.

UNVOTE:

I feel the same as tammy!

alot of the last posts sum up my feelings regarding our neighbor, but I think he's more likely to be town.

also the fact that I havn't scum-slipped in the neighborhood confirms me as town justsayin

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tth doesn't like the way this klingon wagon's played out and i really don't either.

hey tammy, can in vino veritas conference happen tonight?

Most weekends are generally difficult for me to mafia during these days.

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Mara get Tammy in here

I'm here now!

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What I personally like the most,though is Elbirin scum.

Oh my gods!

Mind meld.

I was just literally, like five minutes ago, thinking Elvira might be scum. I'll see if he does anything and then talk to mara about it when I'm done catching up!

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Klingon - I hope everything is all right with your family.

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god

damn
it

oversoul

i wish for the warm embrace from someone who loves me. so far, tammy and mara have left me out in the

cold

hold
me
?

I'm sorry my weekends are busy, but my weekdays are all yours.

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god

damn
it

oversoul

i wish for the warm embrace from someone who loves me. so far, tammy and mara have left me out in the

cold

hold
me
?

Is this some House of Leaves type shit?

I got house of leaves for Christmas, but I haven't had a chance to read it yet with all the dissertation stuff going on, but now that that's over I'm hoping I can start reading it soon! Life has to get back in order first though!

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I have never been a fan of vanilla claims in any game especially one that is suppose to be a bastard game, so I am willing to hammer. What else do you guys want to talk about?

well we COULD talk about how amateurish this klingon lynch is, how many scum are in [pokerface, skull, and zakk], OR about how much of a passive-aggressive asshole i'm being right now

if you think me and skull are scum, you're really bad at this

Please don't do this. you can't possibly know skull's alignment of you're town, and you could be wrong.

Things like this tend to spark more dick waving in games that don't actually help the game at all.

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I'm not sure I believe Klingon's role because this is a bastard game. That would seem really unfortunate. Could she be the token vanilla role?

Trying to sort the VTs from the PRs?

Why yes, yes you are.

That's ckrarly not what he's doing.

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Need to talk to mara and catch up on a couple other things but I'm at town on oversoul, heartless, alchemist, firebringer and np of varying strengths.

I still read skull as town but am interested in heartless' take there. Cautiously optimistic on a xtoxm town read.

I need to review that scum game of Klingons that I linked too. I'll try to get to that tonight. But we have a week, so if not tonight I'll get to it tomorrow.

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Np is bp and I think yukari is also town.

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Not sold on Klingon being town, but.

VOTE: elbirn

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It's a joke none of you guys would probably understand.

It was spoilered for a reason.

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I feel like this game is dragging on indefintely and I want a lynch.

preferebly on scum.

I also decidely don't want to lose my neighbor today, at least.

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Elbirin feels Shallow, and looks like he's trying to engage with easy stuff but not really And I think he should probably be seeing as much pressure as BP, Firebringer, and klingon has faced becauuse he seems to be just as useless which is what most of these pushes seem to be like for most people, from what I can gather.

If you Iso'ed them side by side, you would see content, post rate, and thought process's that are aparent are close enough to be considered Identical yet no ones even thought of touching Elbirin

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Let's not continue this circlejerk plzthnx

Pedit: uh, no he isn't.
I also highly doubt he is scum, and I trust my judgement more than yours. though, dead scum neighbor. But I would also like a living townie neighbor more than a dead townie neighbor more, I think to be willing to take the risk.

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Not sold on Klingon being town, but.

VOTE: elbirn

I WANT YOUR LOVE AND I WANT YOUR REVENGE

tth and i are out of sorts b/c we're not really on the same page and your slot's one of the points of contention.

you're taking a really passive stance towards pokerface (been a pretty big wagon for a while) and that bugs me

I don't care for Pokerface. He could die, and I would hammer with no regrets!

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that wagon also has two town-reads who I think have pretty solid scum-hunting skill so I think the potential for it to be scum is also there. Why should I care for him, anyway?

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VOTE: Pokerface

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Flip time~

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^ Hooray for survivalism. For that is as transparent as it is scummy.

Wow really Dq?

Yeah Alchemist my vote with Xtoxm isn't very much helping. Pokerface is still not contributing much. I vote that puts him within hammer right? He won't be hammered?

Ahh w/e

VOTE: Pokerface

This is clearly self preservationist scum. He's under pressure so he changes his vote to PF who he's been calling town all day while calling me scum?

This dies tomorrow.

Just going to put these out there, more later when I am home maybe!

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Was Heartless in the same neighborhood as DQ and Firebringer?

Nope!

This is interesting

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The only thing I'm bummed about with mara hammering poker face is that I wanted to talk to heartless about skullduggery, who yes skull I know they had a scum read on you, I wanted to talk to them about why.

Anyway from what I gather mara hammered pf to both end a lagging day and save firebringer who we think is town and whom momentum seemed to be shifting towards.

I'll have to look back at our conversation in night, and talk to Mara as we've been on different schedules this week.

Edit: we both think Klingon looks town from this.

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Drama queen

Talk to us about skull digger

It will please me

I had her as an early town read but I need to reread through day one. My thought when I caught up in night was that she was one of the most Likely bussers on the wagon due to the interaction with poker face. The interaction looked like it could easily be distancing.

I'll ry to solidify this in the coming days. I will admit that m early town read took a hit when heartless suggested a scum read in her. We don't always agree on reads but I respect how they read people, so I'm second guessing myself there a bit and want to take a deeper look.

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Skull, is there anyone else in your neighborhood? why didn't you guys claim it when we outted ours?

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Hmmm I wonder if the Neighborhood name indicates alignment?

I doubt varsoon would make flavor's this easy to break

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Skull - I made it clear yesterday I wanted to talk to heartless about you in case they saw something I didn't. I don't need to talk about heartless concern about me at the end of day. Their concern was wrong. I know it was wrong. Since it was a about "passivity around the poker face wagon" I'm going to guess the concern was primarily telltale hearts who has demonstrated a terrible ability at reading me in our very limited experience. Antihero would know that I don't look at wagons, it's almost never a thing I pay attention to. Anti always pokes at me a little early to get me involved but also knows I don't really get going until the game goes on a bit.

What does concern me about you and this accusation is throwing shade on me for the nightkill when anyone half way competent at this game would know that's a kill anyone would have made. They were the only probable night kill last night for any team. But quite frankly, I'd have probably left them alive.

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Been gone for a few days, nice to be back playing.

Anyways, so Heartless was Meow huh. And there is another neighborhood?

Hmmm I wonder if the Neighborhood name indicates alignment?

Our neighborhood is named Jaicro Empire. I am guessing the Aloha is full of town. The Gogol Empire probably has a neighborhood and is the evil were are looking for.

Going off of votes alone I would say BP is most scum just by voting pattern.

So thats my vote:
VOTE: BP

Where are you getting the other neighborhood?

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Oh I guess it would be helpful to look at the flipped role pms.

I guess that's why they suspected skull? If they're neighbors then I'm just going to laugh even harder that she had the nerve to claim I had a reason to kill heartless when scum would have every reason to get rid of their neighbor partner.

Has anyone ever played with skull? Her scum hunting sounds really disingenuous but I don't know if this is just playstyle or not. I feel like some of the stuff she's throwing at zakk is trying to create a narrative rather than actually scum hunt and try to figure out the game.

[Drama Queens]

DQ why would scum have every reason to get rid of a neighbor partner?

Being scum in a neighborhood is very tricky. You have to negotiate reads in the thread along with reads in the neighborhood in a more private setting in which you are more likely to be caught out by your neighbor. In NY 146 being in a neighborhood with scum is pretty much the only reason I was able to make the right choice in lylo. My scum neighbor's posts in the game didn't match up in the neighborhood and the way he tried to manipulate me in the neighborhood became rather apparent.

Scum find being in a neighborhood a rather exhausting and tricky experience.

[Drama Queens]

Skull - I made it clear yesterday I wanted to talk to heartless about you in case they saw something I didn't. I don't need to talk about heartless concern about me at the end of day. Their concern was wrong. I know it was wrong. Since it was a about "passivity around the poker face wagon" I'm going to guess the concern was primarily telltale hearts who has demonstrated a terrible ability at reading me in our very limited experience. Antihero would know that I don't look at wagons, it's almost never a thing I pay attention to. Anti always pokes at me a little early to get me involved but also knows I don't really get going until the game goes on a bit.

What does concern me about you and this accusation is throwing shade on me for the nightkill when anyone half way competent at this game would know that's a kill anyone would have made. They were the only probable night kill last night for any team. But quite frankly, I'd have probably left them alive.

I disagree with this a fair amount. I didn't think Heartless came away from that lynch as the end all, be all nightkill choice. Why do you think so?

They were one of my strongest town reads. First on the pokerface wagon, unlikely to have been a bus, and I don't remember anyone worrying about them. They just seemed like the most likely nightkill to me.

[Drama Queens]

It's possible we made a huge mistake last night.

[Drama Queens]

737 is mara.

The other two are me. Heartless' flip says that they were in a neighborhood, which I hadn't read until trying to figure out what the heck people were talking about. Skull said that there was an obvious reason why heartless suspected her, which she might spell out later if necessary.

It wasn't obvious in thread. Skull said yesterday that she had a reason for town reading them other than their pushing her. The logical, though maybe not conclusion to all of that, is that they are neighbors.

[Drama Queens]

It's possible we made a huge mistake last night.

How so?

It's not important and might have been a knee jerk response.

[Drama Queens]

Been away all day and just reading through the new posts. I wasn't going to name anyone, but since we're on the subject I touched on before, I believe that both xtoxm and skull are neighbors to Heartless. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, if flavor is alignment indicative in this game, then all the neighbors to Heartless should be Town.

I doubt he'd make the flavor so unbreakable. Someone could easily have a fake claim that fit with the flavor of the neighborhood.

There being more than one neighborhood actually makes me concerned that there is scum in a neighborhood. But thanks to FFX, it's not something I think is worth pursuing in lieu of actual behavior.

[Drama Queens]

Anything is possible. Once I kinda whiteknighted a newb town player. It was her first game and she was honestly trying but people were coming down on her and I defended her. She was convinced I was defending her because I was scum trying to draw a link between us. It was true that I was scum, but I just really felt bad for her that she was trying and was getting so much flak for her opinions.

There's a nearly identical situation happening right now in this game too. Do you know who I'm talking about?

No, enlighten me.

also the fact that I havn't scum-slipped in the neighborhood confirms me as town justsayin

Even if you did, do you think Firebringer -- a player that you have called "noobtown" or some variation thereof several times throughout the game -- would have noticed?

This was a really obvious joke.

(She was referencing the last time she was in a neighborhood and was scum. She mistook the neighborhood for the scum qt and scumslipped in the neighborhood. Experienced players laughed it off. Actually she might have done that twice.)

[Drama Queens]

I'm sorry for not stopping by. I was sure I posted here yesterday.

Anyway, today I'm looking at Zakk, DQ, Firebringer, and BP. Not in that order.

yeah because both scum share a neighborhood and both decide to be the last two lynches of the wagon of their scum-buddy who had the ability to make themself unlynchable.

yeah. totally.

[Drama Queens]

Are you even paying attention to the game?

[Drama Queens]

You're really going to put him at L-1 after the stunt I pulled yesterday?

Also, I am decidedly not comfortable with a wagon already having been formed too L-1 this early into the day

[Drama Queens]

also with people who have abilities to make a lynch happen with one less vote?

[Drama Queens]

I'm in the middle of doing stuff and will get to this later, but real quick.

Skull - Cool story, except none of it is accurate because we're town. We don't have partners, and you can continue creating this fictional narrative all you want; it's not going to make any of it true, not in the tiniest.

I didn't initially suspect you because you were in a neighborhood but it's nice that you're trying to create a narrative about something that was an after the fact, oh yeah that could make sense when I didn't originally know you were in a neighborhood with heartless. You'll note that I didn't know if because you told me that it should be obvious or you would spell it out later. So, yeah it makes sense.

Again, I couldn't care less that heartless were suspecting me in the neighborhood last night or how strong it was. Whatever their suspicions were was wrong, cuz ta-da we're town.

I think your case on zak is as disingenuous as your "scum" read on us. I think that all of your scum hunting looks disingenuous and is designed to spin the events of the day to fuel your narrative. It's pretty simple. Scum often push stuff that looks scummy but actually is not scummy when you actually try to determine the mindset of the people you are scum hunting. You are not trying to figure out the game; you are trying to write a novel for the game, and you're trying to add this added level of confidence in order to look genuine.

You don't look genuine, you look fake.

Now, I haven't had a chance to meta you and see if this is how you play. I've never played with you. You've never played with me. Have you even played with Mara? Because from what I'm gathering is some hearsay meta and that you're actually trying to insert hearsay meta without having anything to back it up is laughable. So, come back at me when you actually have an understanding of my meta and then we'll talk. Otherwise this is hot air designed to look like "scumhutning" It's not fooling me.

I'm not using heartless' place on the wagon for why I was town reading them. They were my strongest town read because this was their town game and several games in the recent year, including a misread on them recently, has given me an idea of how to read antihero. Oversoul asked why I thought that they would be the most likely nightkill and I answered.

You threw suspicion on me for a nightkill that from my point of view was a standard night kill because they suspected me when they suspected me for really weak reasons. You said it yourself that they are a strong voice, so why wouldn't that also be a reason they were a nightkill? When I die night one, it's not usually because I was the strongest day one player but because of my reputation. I tend to not live past day three because that's when I start getting my shit together, but yeah tell me about that second hand meta expectations you've got there.

I don't know if I'd leave them alive, but there's a possibility that I would. Since I don't have a nightkill, I can't say for sure because I'm not thinking of the game in who would be beneficial for me to kill, but I've been able to manipulate antihero before, and telltale heart is horrible at reading me, so. I also find value in leaving alive people who suspect me if I can get away with it. I mean all of this would be dependent on my partners/the gamestate, so it's not a certainty, so that's just a thought of what I might do.

And I think your case against zak is superficial and is basically slinging the kitchen sink at him in terms of things that look scummy but are not scum. I don't like your case because you are again creating a narrative. You're not scum hunting to try to figure out the game, or figure him out. You're telling him what he did, instead of trying to figure out why he did the things he did. You're doing a similar thing to us. I mean it's cute you want to act all confident about it and all, and people do tend to town read that kind of thing, but I read the way people scum hunt and you look fake.

I need to finish submitting some grades and this has taken longer than I originally planned it to, but I'll respond to your silly theories which don't actually make a lick of sense later.

tl:dr: we're town. zakk is probably town. skullduggery's "Scumhunting" is nothing more than creating a narrative instead of trying to figure the game out.

[Drama Queens]

As much as wall offs fuel me with adrenaline, I have to get up stupid early in the morning. I'm going to try to respond to the points the skull has made, but I'm extremely tired and will probably fall asleep in the middle of it.

I do want to meta skull before I respond to her though to see if there's actually a possibility she's just "obstinate town". I don't see it. I can't see the mental hoops you have to jump through to believe the nonsense she's saying is plausible from town, but I guess it could be.

Anyway, I feel like I'm up against a BBT again like in White Flag where I knew I knew and said that his aggression and arguments were fake and everyone was like LOL Tammy u so silly, he's obviously town. The most townie town. And he went on to win the game. If that happens again and I let you people talk me out of a correct scum read again because oh aggression, confidence and obstinance is soooooooo town, I will fucking scream and haunt you all in the mafia afterlife.

[Drama Queens]

If anyone else likes meta:

Skullduggery scum: varsoon bastard mini

Skullduggery town: alice

Ideally I'd like to find a town game in which scum was lynched and she still lived so I can see how she goes after suspected partners, but that will take more time than I have. From a cursory glance, her play is superficially similar as both alignments. Being a quote striper makes one particularly difficult to parse, so I'll look a bit more tomorrow.

If I do find that as town she cherry picks and takes things out of order, then meh maybe. We'll see.

I would like for people to actually read her posts and talk to me about this. Please don't ignore it because it looks obstinate and that's so town.

Tomorrow when I'm not abut to crash I want to point out where she's kinda cherry picked stuff or convoluted the timeline to construct her narrative, but it would be nice if someone else saw what I see or at least engages.

[Drama Queens]

Hrm I messed that up.

Fix'd your tags. <3

[Drama Queens]

Surprise surprise one of our major scum reads votes us.

That's not talking to me about skull though!

[Drama Queens]

Probably a better town game to look at. She survived to endgame here http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[Drama Queens]

Well there's not much I can say about the hammer. It's not my style scum or town to do that, though I have seen mara do it before as town. Don't know about scum. I imagine shed hammer her scum partner in a way that actually gives us some town cred instead of the scum midst way possible, and I'd like to think she'd actually be in contact with me about it if we were scum.

My scum game sucks but I've never bussed a partner in a way that didn't give me maximum town cred. Maras no scrub, and if people would actually look at her reasons it would make sense.

And in hindsight, people should actually be thanking her for doing it. Heartless was starting to waffle on poker face and there was potential for that lynch to fall apart. The only way we did fuck up is if we are wrong about firebringer and misjudged the momentum shift toward him.

[Drama Queens]

My mojo is awesome town mojo. Of course I'm going to discredit the pints against me. They're not only wrong, they are in some instances cherry-picking, misrepresenting what I said, mixing up the timeline in order to creat a wrong case in me.

For instance: quick point, she's tying to claim that mara tried to gain town cred. Her response to klingon's list of people she was going to ISO.

What Mara said was sure two scum buddies piled on their last scum buddy to quick hammer. It makes no sense to suspect us both is what she's inferring, but skull twisted it. Besides you don't get town cred from a hammer like that.

[Drama Queens]

Do you think he put two scum together in a neighborhood then? It doesn't make sense to suspect both, which was maras point.

She never claimed town cred at the hammer. She wouldn't. She'd probably point out that it's not within the realm of her scum game to do that, but hammering on scum after being asked why you were ignoring the wagon? The only people who think that's town cred are people who haven't bern playing that long.

I know it's not scummy because I have the benefit of sharing her role pm. I'd probably also realize she was town because I've seen her do that before as town.

I'd probably be more annoyed about the quick hammer if it wasn't on scum, who looked like momentum was shifting against, and if I didn't have faith in my ability to shine as town and deal with the corner glances from the hammer. But hey, it was on scum, so I can't be upset.

[Drama Queens]

Read the last point of 824. I'm in bed on my phone or I would, but Klingon said she was going to reread a few people including firebringer and us. Mara made the point about how unlikely we are to be scum buddies because does it make sense for buddies to quick hammer another buddy that way. She was addressing the idea we were scum together.

Skullduggery turned that into mara trying to claim town cred for the hammer, which is a conclusion I don't think anyone who is actually trying to figure out the game would make.

(And yes, I think it's perfectly reasonable to suspect one of us/both independently, but I personally don't thk it's reasonable to suspect us as partners. The point I'm making is not that. The problem I have is the way the skull misrepresent that interaction to claim something that didn't happen did happen. It's part of the constructing a narrative rather than figuring it out.

[Drama Queens]

Hmm I'm reading through the scum qt of the previous varsoon game and skull had a role that when she was investigated that she came back as a toen-hider. Scum also had a recruitment they could use which essentially ended the game early. Hrm.

I don't know why I'm still awake or doing this, but I think what it means is that people could have a fake claim that is confirmed in some way to look true when it actually isn't, so behavior is going to be more important than roles/clears through roles.

This is kinda reminding me of how much precaution has to be taken in a Cabd game. Regardless, I think zakk' behavior about his role and what he thinks it means/does for him and the game still makes him likely town.

[Drama Queens]

and you're not listening. scum is MORE likely to push a lazy wagon.

I

am

listening, and that is absolutely not what you said. You

just said

that "lazy wagons" like PokerFace's are pushed by people who just want to "look busy and do something," which you yourself admitted is not alignment-indicative. Now you're saying that Scum is more likely to push a lazy wagon? This is a complete contradiction.

Okay it's not a hammer, it's L-1.

Vote: PokerFace

State intent to hammer before hammering pls.

Oh wait

Unvote

. I forgot this was a game where people have ~abilities~

PokerFace, claim.

This looks sketchy as fuck. You knew that PokerFace had an ability that would end the day phase with no lynch, so your L-1 vote and request for him to claim just looks like posturing so he'd have a chance to use it and save himself for another day (not to mention grant your team immunity to Night 1 actions).

This is a point that I didn't like and felt like you were really stretching to construct a narrative. Since both of our neighborhoods have day talk, the scum team almost definitely do too. This is the clunky type of behavior that I would expect from a scum team without day talk. Oh I'll *whistle* put my barely here partner at L-1, then oops no unvote cuz abilities, so you can claim, doesn't really make sense at all. This seems like a conversation that would have happened in the mafia qt, not in thread, if they have day talk.

And if he was just posturing, he could have just told him to claim when he was at l-2 for the same reasoning that he applies here. And I'm of the mind that scum would have remembered the l-1 abilities that others have, particularly considering one of them who've claimed were on the pokerface wagon.

And from what I'm gathering if the end game of that situation was to get him to use his ability, why wouldn't pokerface just

use that ability

. It's not something that needed to be set up in thread.

In other news, hurray! PokerFace was scum. I'm psyched about that.

Classic Scum tell right here -- celebrating the death of a partner to appear more Townish. It also reads completely fake. You're psyched about the lynch of a player that you subtly tried to defend? You're psyched that the wagon you tried to dispel ended up being on Scum in the end? Yeah, I don't buy this at all.

This isn't a scum tell at all. Why wouldn't you be psyched about a player flipping scum no matter what you tried to do with the wagon at the end of the day.

Town are just as equally likely to celebrate a scum flip as are scum trying to appear town. It's not a tell when it's equally likely for both alignments to do.

I thought PokerFace was lowkey useless all day, but I didn't really see him as scummy.

But he was "an objectively good lynch" anyway? Yeah, okay.

Don't see a problem here either. There are many times that there's a player who is somewhat null, useless, but not overwhelmingly scummy that I consider a good lynch.

The game was almost 30 pages and to take the day too much longer would have been bad.

How do you figure? Also, if you're saying that extending the day was a bad thing, then why did you want extra time before we went through with the PokerFace lynch?

It's pretty standard for town to want a potential lynch to claim. You're asking a question that has a pretty standard answer. Someone can want the day to end but also want the persona about to be lynched to claim.

Oversoul
BP
Xtoxm

I am under no illusions that I can call the scum team on Day 2, specifically this early, but I think if we examine those three, we will find AT LEAST one scum in there, possibly two

When you flip Scum, that clears these three players. Very helpful of you. Thanks.

What makes you think that he'd post a list of town players to find his partner and not put two town and one scum in here for distancing purposes?

It's odd that you would claim that all three of those are town upon his scum flip.

~~~

I'll get to the rest as the day goes on. At the moment I'm waiting for a call and will be leaving my house, so probably later throughout the day. These were among some of the points that gave me that first feel that skull was constructing a narrative rather than trying to figure out the game. She doesn't feel like she's scum hunting zakk and these points are incredibly weak, which just doesn't ring real to me.

[Drama Queens]

The only thing I'm bummed about with mara hammering poker face is that I wanted to talk to heartless about skullduggery, who yes skull I know they had a scum read on you, I wanted to talk to them about why.

The original source of Heartless' suspicion should be obvious to anyone who is paying close attention. (Maybe I'll spell it out eventually, but not yet.)

Also, let's not gloss over the fact that Heartless was beginning to suspect

you

near the end of Day 1. Their death last night definitely makes me wary of you. If you're Scum, you know that Heartless is a formidable enough player to figure you out and you wanted to nip that in the bud.

I've already addressed this, but for completeness, I'm not concerned about someone's suspicion on me at the end of the day. I know it's wrong. What I don't know is if either I or they were wrong about you.

Drama queen

Talk to us about skull digger

It will please me

I had her as an early town read but I need to reread through day one. My thought when I caught up in night was that she was one of the most Likely bussers on the wagon due to the interaction with poker face. The interaction looked like it could easily be distancing.

I'll ry to solidify this in the coming days. I will admit that m early town read took a hit when heartless suggested a scum read in her. We don't always agree on reads but I respect how they read people, so I'm second guessing myself there a bit and want to take a deeper look.

Again, Heartless turned their read of me around and began to suspect you instead. Why do you not feel the need to acknowledge this? Are you hoping that nobody would remember?

I don't typically feel the need to acknowledge that someone has an incorrect read on me when they aren't around to discuss it with me. Their suspicion wasn't significant, it was based around me not being active enough about a wagon I didn't have a read on, like my read on him was meh but null. In fact, Anti's end read or stated concern about the read on pokerface pretty much mirrored mine. He's an older player with an older play style that can sometimes be read as awkward today. My team mafia teammate recently experienced this and because his play is awkward based on how people play today he was nearly lynched day one until I found a scum slip made by Thor. I was trying to figure out if I thought pokerface was in a similar situation. But again, don't really need to bring up that the dead suspected me incorrectly.

This is the last in thread post they made about you:

I have never been a fan of vanilla claims in any game especially one that is suppose to be a bastard game, so I am willing to hammer. What else do you guys want to talk about?

well we COULD talk about how amateurish this klingon lynch is, how many scum are in [pokerface, skull, and zakk], OR about how much of a passive-aggressive asshole i'm being right now

Which does not indicate that they were turning around their suspicion on you. Now maybe over night in your discussions they came around to thinking you were town. And maybe over night in your neighborhood they expressed suspicion on me. I can't possibly know that. So, you acting like I'm operating as if I knew they were calling you town and am still wondering about their scum read is bogus. As is part of your reason that we killed them because of suspicion on us when the in thread suspicion was rather benign.

Regardless, it would still be a conversation I would have liked to have had.

[Drama Queens]

VOTE: Zakk

Scum team is PokerFace/Zakk/Drama Queens.

Thank you and good night.

This pinged.

Now town can make this type of post too, and this is part of the reason why I want to meta skull, but I've also seen this come from scum too many times trying to boast and display fake confidence in an attempt to sound town.

I could be wrong about Zakk but I'm pretty certain I know how to read my own role pm.

[Drama Queens]

I am back, my homies, exhilarated by having caught scum on D1!

I shall now read the thread and will be back later with some thoughts - hopefully.

Skull - Is this an instance of your classic scum tell?

I didn't see you comment on this at all. How is this one different from zakk's psyched comment?

[Drama Queens]

Okay headed out the door. I will finish at some point today, hopefully. And I promise I'm not only going to concentrate on skull, don't worry. But I think she's really important to figure out.

[Drama Queens]

She's probably pressing on skulls double standards. Also, when zakk flips town, the entirety of Skulls stance on the scum-teams goes out the window, but I do agree with my other head on the certainty he seems to have on the team

Anywho, trigger finger here!

Klingon, why did you omit the neighborhood part of your claim when you made it?

Also, I don't recall heartless getting suspicious of us at all, during the end of the day phase, just anti getting butt-hurt about the fact that we weren't communicating with him.

As far as neighborhood claims when we came out goes, it was probably a necessary move to have made considering the fact that it would change the entire threads view about the game state, as it would mean there is probably scum in one of the two neighborhoods. Most likely the bigger one, so... yeah. Also, Skull is playing the vague game of "I'm not going to claim who my neighbors are, but I'm going to hint the fuck out of it despite me thinking that we're essentially masons" which is pretty amusing though kinda sketch.

also, uhm.. I think sarcasm is lost on skull? We are Tammy and Mara. We do not need town cred.

I also made it pretty clear that I would have hammered anybody who had gotten ran up that wasn't my neighbor because the day dragged on longer than it had to, and I wanted to keep my neighbor alive.

why is Erratic voting a scum-tell, skull?

As far as Disingenuous goes, I personally cannot see where your mind is at, and I'm more surprised at the flip you have on the content you thought we put out. Yesterday, we were poking and prodding people, and today we are being superficial

[Drama Queens]

They did seem pretty confident that you were Scum in the neighborhood last night, and I definitely see where they're coming from. Your posts thus far have been somewhat superficial and low-key, and that concerns me since I know that both of you are strong voices -- when you're Town, of course. I would expect Town-DQ to be a much stronger presence at this point in the game, and I'm definitely not seeing that right now.

This also concerns me just as much as it does my partner

I havn't played in over a year, only having sparsely played in '13 and I don't think you were one of the people I've played with. In these past two years, I've been deteriorating as a player and I've been less of a strong voice and more of a tunneling person who breaks down at any given moment.

This also seems to be saying that we are strong voices only as town which, as far as meta goes is completely inaccurate. I tend to have a much stronger voice as scum so where are you getting all this meta material from?

[Drama Queens]

Guys, heads up, I'm going to hammer Elbirin as soon as I see an L-1

[Drama Queens]

Klingon, why did you omit the neighborhood part of your claim when you made it?

Where did Klingon indicate that she was part of a neighborhood?

Also, Skull is playing the vague game of "I'm not going to claim who my neighbors are, but I'm going to hint the fuck out of it despite me thinking that we're essentially masons" which is pretty amusing though kinda sketch.

What? I have knowledge that points to my neighbor being Town -- knowledge that not every player in the game has -- and I should share that just because I'm asked? Have you ever been a Mason before? Do you reveal your partner in the game thread just for the hell of it? Of course not. That would be stupid. Why do you say that it's sketchy for me to do something that isn't stupid? Are you saying I should have revealed the identity of my neighbor so they could become a night kill target? Your concern here makes absolutely no sense.

I havn't played in over a year, only having sparsely played in '13 and I don't think you were one of the people I've played with. In these past two years, I've been deteriorating as a player and I've been less of a strong voice and more of a tunneling person who breaks down at any given moment.

This also seems to be saying that we are strong voices only as town which, as far as meta goes is completely inaccurate. I tend to have a much stronger voice as scum so where are you getting all this meta material from?

Reputation and perception, mostly. It's nothing concrete, I'll admit, so I'm not going to sit here pretend that I know either of your play styles intimately or anything. Perhaps my expectations were unrealistic and my respect for this hydra was too high, which is why I found your Day 1 performance to be lackluster. If so, I suppose you could argue that the fault is mine. I'm not going to dwell on it too much.

I hate playing with hugeass quotes, but these are the most relevant.

Klingon didn't claim to be a part of the the neighborhood, I had deduced it in a similar manner that I had deduced you to be in the neighborhood. Back in D1, you would leave him alone because he was important for some reason. what was that about?

Also, you are saying we felt lackluster D1, but during D1 you said that we were town because we were being productive and actually talking to people. Us having lack-luster play has only come out now. You don't think that would be weird from an outside perspective? possibly even scummy, and seemingly like a person cannot keep their story straight?

you are hinting the hell out of your neighborhood which in turn would make them an open target for scum later on.

Regarding your scum-read on me, it seems like alot of it has to do with the fact that heartless was suspecting us, and was killed, your mis-placed meta, and hammer WIFOM.

all points are disproved.

I also have zakk as decently town, and it has nothing to do with your push on him, but more of how he's played. I also like using the exact same words other people use because reactions are funny, and I hope that it helps other people see how stupidly strong their word-choices seem to be. You said "when zakk flips scum" so I just used the opposite wording.

781 was sarcasm and a response to klingon saying both people in our neighborhood was scum to which, I believe was a pretty stupid conclusion to get to.

I Personally love it when tammy uses the word narrative, but as far as zakk goes, it feels like your biggest case on his is erratic voting, especially in the place of it happening to scum. which is why I asked

also, you said we were lack-luster (at least this day phase I guess?) which would mean we would be an easy target to pick at from your perspective I guess, then again it's completely opposite from what you've said yesterday.

Pedit: vigging? I'm not vigging anyone, but I do want the hammer because it seems to have a good success rate so far!

[Drama Queens]

oh

that site fuck-up made me miss stuff

[Drama Queens]

Actually it's not. It's really really not.

I need to catch up with what happened today and why someone danced, but zakk are you literally voting us because we town read you?

Klingon - we neighborized oversoul last night.

Anyway, we have more to say and I need to finish my responses to skull and points elsewhere, which I will tonight.

[Drama Queens]

Vote: DQ

We were watched, visiting someone who didn't die, and you actually ignore that to go oh guys this is a good one *premature jizz*.

Are you even reading the thread.

(Now

that

role doesn't confirm us as town, but you don't pause in your pissiness that were town reading you?

[Drama Queens]

I have never been a fan of vanilla claims in any game especially one that is suppose to be a bastard game, so I am willing to hammer. What else do you guys want to talk about?

well we COULD talk about how amateurish this klingon lynch is, how many scum are in [pokerface, skull, and zakk], OR about how much of a passive-aggressive asshole i'm being right now

if you think me and skull are scum, you're really bad at this

Hey zakk, remember this.

This is a sentiment you are never allowed to express again, in any game, as long as your vote is on us.

Just so you know what bad actually is.

[Drama Queens]

UM

What?

[Drama Queens]

I can't tell if I've just been called too stupid to remember my someone's vote is on me or someone is just being stupid.

[Drama Queens]

Vote: DQ

We were watched, visiting someone who didn't die, and you actually ignore that to go oh guys this is a good one *premature jizz*.

Are you even reading the thread.

(Now

that

role doesn't confirm us as town, but you don't pause in your pissiness that were town reading you?

You did not answer the question. The last post in the thread was someone claiming to have watched us visiting

someone who was not the nightkill

and your first thought is to ignore it and push for our wagon instead without ever wondering what we are?

Whoops

[Drama Queens]

Yes, I was neighborized by Dairy Queen last night.

It is part of the reason that they said "We made a terrible mistake last night!" because they apparently chose that night action thinking I was really town and then when I wanted to discuss things with them they got really mad at my approach. Trouble in paradise, I guess?

But at least no one died and we probably got a lot of conftown stuff out of it. Doctor on Klingon tonight though

I am so so so confused by you. I'm trying to give you some time and leeway here because oversoul, but if you could respond to me in the neighborhood before I have an in thread meltdown about you, that would be awesome.

It also may be unnecessary because apparently you're confirmed town now, but still.

[Drama Queens]

Elbirn - Why did you "dayvig" yukari instead of say the person you're voting? And when asked about it, how come you said that it was either yukari or zakk? Why not us?

[Drama Queens]

VOTE: Zakk

Scum team is PokerFace/Zakk/Drama Queens.

Thank you and good night.

Lol no

I could go through and try to address everything you said against me but it probably wouldn't make much difference

I am town

Also I think drama queens is town

So, you're big turn around on us is because we...think you're town?

I just want to be sure on this whole thing here because um yeah.

[Drama Queens]

So now that we're at L-2.

We are Jonny, leader of the Jaicro Empire. We have the ability to Neighborize, but we also have a one-shot unlynchable, which at breakfast this morning I realized makes us confirmed town due to symmetry. The night that we make ourselves unlynchable, we have a side-effect which has the potential to do something really great for town. I wanted to wait until day three to use it because that's the day that I usually die.

Anyway, I realized that there's a certain symmetry in this game. Dr. Gel had a stop the day role which had a side effect for his team. We have an unlynchable shot which has a side effect for town. There's Yukari and Oversoul and I have figured out how that plays into it and there's the two dandies, and I haven't figured out how that plays into the symmetry. Earlier I thought Dandy might also be a neighborizer and have the same kind of symmetrical role we do but then that was kind of dashed.

But, yeah, anyway, we should be confirmed unlynchable here in a minute.

[Drama Queens]

*I haven't figured out.

[Drama Queens]

skullduggery played, as scum, in the last varsoon bastard mini. I'm quite shocked that she's not being a bit more skeptical about stuff in this game.

For instance because apparently people don't read, she had a role, bullshitter, which she could pick her role and that would be what she investigated as. So, she had varsoon have her investiage as a town hider. I pointed this out before, but the fact that elbirn is claiming a one-shot cop on klingon and accepting it and apparently so is she without any questions, is really concerning.

[Drama Queens]

Also I feel really squicky about skull demanding that firebringer claim his flavor. She's made a few suggestions as to why, but there's no reason at all why she'd investigate firebringer in any capacity. He's already indicated that he's a part of the jaicro empire, so if she was a flavor cop and it came back as someone who shouldn't be there, then firebringer would be on her scum list. He's not.

If, in the neighborhood overnight, heartless had made such an impassioned plea about our reputation and why we're scum, if she were some sort of cop why not investigate us? Or zak? It feels like she's trying to intimidate into claiming the person she feels is most likely to do so.

It's sad the main character's supposed side kick is such a bully :/

[Drama Queens]

To be quite honest the mod asked me for the level of confirmation/explanation of my ability that I wanted him to provide, and I asked him to hint at it, and nothing more. My action is very powerful, and nobody gets to know what it does until its effects become readily apparent.

Either way, it's super awesome hahaha

Also, I can have the mod confirm any of the above to you at any time, and I've chosen not to.

But like I hinted at before (ISO me) I'm not going to be lynched today (or any day), and I'm basically confirmed town. Because if you can't lynch scum, how do you kill them? Vig them? What if the vig dies? Then the game is broken.

Ergo I'm confirmed town and I'd like a doctor on me please tonight.

I'm also going to reread the game and contribute max level insight as soon as I have time.

Lol, theme games are great.

You made this post zakk, and you're surprised we're town reading you, even though we were town reading you before you made this post.

Yeah, I'm going to just go furrowed brow on you voting us for town reading you while making a post like this.

[Drama Queens]

Nope. I'm saying town REALLY DOESN'T WANT TO MISLYNCH me.

And I'm sure there are some townies on my wagon
And I'm also sure that scum can't lynch me by themselves.

Therefore, if I'm lynched, town is reeeeally dumb, and I have more faith in this town than that, seeing as we (even without me) lynched scum Day 1.

So you're a negative utility to town by being lynched. That doesn't make you conf town at all. All I'm getting out of this is that if there's a day vig, now would be a really good time to kill you.

Why didn't you do this then? And why did you choose someone else?

[Drama Queens]

They did seem pretty confident that you were Scum in the neighborhood last night, and I definitely see where they're coming from. Your posts thus far have been somewhat superficial and low-key, and that concerns me since I know that both of you are strong voices -- when you're Town, of course. I would expect Town-DQ to be a much stronger presence at this point in the game, and I'm definitely not seeing that right now.

How do you know this? What type of strong town voices do you expect we would have on day one? And how is that mitigated by the fact that we hammered scum, not that I'm trying to claim town cred from the hammer or anything...I wouldn't be so droll. I'm just trying to figure out exactly what you expect from us.

What does concern me about you and this accusation is throwing shade on me for the nightkill when anyone half way competent at this game would know that's a kill anyone would have made. They were the only probable night kill last night for any team. But quite frankly, I'd have probably left them alive.

If they were the only plausible kill, then why should I believe that you would have left them alive? Why are you trying to use that as a defense while saying that any Scum player would have killed them in the same breath?

I believe I've already responded to this but for completeness sakes. Nobody needs to believe that. I'm not even 100% sure if I would leave them alive. They were, as far as I'm concerned, the most obvious night one kill, that means that I wouldn't make kill assumptions on the entire game. The only reason why they might have been alive is if anti's near waffling about pokerface at the end of the day could have been exploited by crafty scum. Otherwise, *shrug*, I don't have a nightkill, so me saying I'd probably leave them alive doesn't mean much because I'm not looking at the gamestate of who is the most beneficial for me to leave alive. I just know that I, in particular, would not kill someone for the reasons your insinuating.

I believe that if you did have some sort of indication of either of our metas, which you are insinuating in the previous quote, that you would know that that is not an indication of either of our scum metas. So you can accept your Jon Snow status of knowing nothing or you can spout nonsense. Your choice.

If they're neighbors then I'm just going to laugh even harder that she had the nerve to claim I had a reason to kill heartless when scum would have every reason to get rid of their neighbor partner.

Okay, let's assume for a moment that I really am Scum in a neighborhood with Heartless and at least one other person. If I kill a neighbor that I know to be Town, wouldn't that just make it more likely that the other neighbor would suspect me? Wouldn't that just put me in an even worse position than before?

As I've already said, I'm quite confident that our neighborhood is all-Town. But please, explain why Scum-me would have had "every reason" to get rid of a neighbor who had just started to accept that I was Town.

A.) You're acting as if I knew that there was more than just you and heartless in the neighborhood. There was just firebrringer and us in the neighborhood until we added oversoul. Why would I assume anything different?

B.) I have no way of knowing that that neighbor accepted you as town.

Furthermore, I don't think you're appreciating the impetus for this discussion. *I* hadn't figured that heartless was anything but scum's way of getting rid of the most obvious town person. *YOU* are the person who tried to define it as a reason by suggesting that we killed heartless for their nebulous really not at all suspicion on us. *YOU* put the heartless kill and why on my monitor by suggesting that because it looked to me like you were trying to deflect their nightkill onto someone else, which made it look even more suspicious. You trying to deflect their kill is what made me think you killed them for reasons but wanted to push it on someone else.

There's a cause and effect in games. You gave me the reason to look at why they might be killed beyond just they were the most town person here.

Has anyone ever played with skull? Her scum hunting sounds really disingenuous but I don't know if this is just playstyle or not.

Kindly explain how my Scum-hunting has been disingenuous. This accusation looks like little more than an attempt to diminish the weight of my words since it would be troublesome for you if the other players started listening to me, would it not?

Read everything I've said in response to you. You've been telling people what they've been doing instead of trying to figure out *if* their actions make sense as scum. I, for instance, know I'm town, so I happen to know that every single bit of drivel that you claim I've done something for a scum agenda is so completely incorrect it's not funny. But, you're saying it with such stubborn insistence that you're trying to make it sound like it's something that is actually happening. You're not trying to figure out whether it makes sense for scum or town, you're trying to claim it. That's not scumhunting.

The weight of your words is nothing sweetheart. We're town. And yes, it would be troublesome for town if town listened to the weight of your words because you might as well be yelling in a canyon. If you're town, you should start scumhunting instead of whatever you have been doing, because it's not netting you scum here.

I feel like some of the stuff she's throwing at zakk is trying to create a narrative rather than actually scum hunt and try to figure out the game.

Cite examples of this. I'm pushing on Zakk because I believe him to be Scum.

And while you're at it, please do continue defending Zakk under the pretense that you think I'm Scum pushing a mislynch. It only makes me more confident that the two of you are connected. Are you afraid of what will happen when Zakk flips Scum (as you know he will)?

OKAY.

I've responded to the zakk case earlier.

I think Zakk is town. (you've moved from voting him so you do too?) SOOOOOOO can you tell me something. You think that PF/Zakk/DQ are the scum team, correct? So your supposition is that we quickhammered PF and are now defending zakk from a lynch because we're afraid that he'll lynch scum and that will betray our connection. And we're afraid what will happen when zakk flips scum?

I'm sorry. And I don't mean to be rude, but exactly how much crack did you smoke when you wrote that?

Can you go back, reword this, and make a more logical accusation please? Because reputation or no, I really don't appreciate being accused of being a stupid moron. Thanks.

Scum find being in a neighborhood a rather exhausting and tricky experience.

And you believe I've demonstrated symptoms of this? Where, exactly?

Pretty sure that I was addressing the concept of being scum in a neighborhood in a general way, as I was asked why would scum kill their neighbor.

I'm not in your neighborhood, but part of this is moot as I've stated before I though that heartless was the likely kill for any scum team. YOU only got on my radar for killing them for a reason when you accused me of killing them for a reason because scum LOVE throwing the blame for a night kill on others.

First on the pokerface wagon, unlikely to have been a bus, and I don't remember anyone worrying about them.

This is interesting. You use Heartless' placement on the PokerFace wagon as a reason to call them Town, but in 729, you insinuate that you see my interactions with PokerFace as "distancing." I was easily one of the most outspoken proponents of the PokerFace lynch yesterday, but my continued push on him is not as significant or meaningful as my placement on the wagon? How are these two situations different enough to make one person Town and the other person Scum?

My reasoning for thinking they were town had nothing to do with pokerface. They were a strong town read because of antihero.

Oversoul asked me why I thought they were likely to be the nightkill and that's what I answered for. That was not why I thought they were town, but why I thought they would be a nightkill.

Your interaction with pokerface is the type of interaction I could see as bussing/distancing.

If they're neighbors then I'm just going to laugh even harder that she had the nerve to claim I had a reason to kill heartless when scum would have every reason to get rid of their neighbor partner.

There being more than one neighborhood actually makes me concerned that there is scum in a neighborhood. But thanks to FFX, it's not something I think is worth pursuing in lieu of actual behavior.

You use neighborhood reasons to paint me as Scum, then say that you're wary of pursuing neighborhood reasons to paint someone as Scum. Fascinating.

No, i didn't do anything of the like. I didn't know you were neighbors for quite a long time. I worried I was misreading you as town because they expressed suspicion that you were scum. I didn't know why (didn't know you were neighbors) so day one thought I was missing something. Night one I looked at the game and the wagon and thought that your interaction with pokerface looked like distancing (ie you looked like me/others who do quite well at expressing suspicion on their partners and didn't have a reason to rule it out as town on scum suspicion) and that's where I wanted to look more in depth at you. Was not convinced you were scum from it, but wanted to look at you more deeply to make sure I wasn't overlooking something.

You claimed I was scum for a nightkill in a way that was weird and didn't make sense. When it came out that you were in a neighborhood then it made sense why they suspected you (ie look at how we were with firebringer early day one) and since you accused us of being scum for the nightkill, and I know we're not, then it looked like you deflecting to something it would make sense you did.

I'm not voting you. I'm very obviously metaiing you and the last varsoon game to make sure that this is how you play before I go after you. You are jumping the gun. That's suspicious.

I'm sorry for not stopping by. I was sure I posted here yesterday.

Anyway, today I'm looking at Zakk, DQ, Firebringer, and BP. Not in that order.

yeah because both scum share a neighborhood and both decide to be the last two lynches of the wagon of their scum-buddy who had the ability to make themself unlynchable.

yeah. totally.

The fact that you're using your hammer of PokerFace to clear yourself indicates that you hammered him for precisely this reason. Let's roll with my PokerFace/Zakk/Drama Queens theory, shall we? You saw PokerFace going down in flames near the end of Day 1, and Zakk's behavior with regard to that wagon made it obvious that he was a partner who was almost certainly going to be lynched on Day 2. You needed all the Town cred you could get if you wanted to carry your team to victory, so you hammered PokerFace just so you could point back to it at a later date and say, "I wouldn't have hammered my partner if I was Scum because look at this useful ability he had! See? See? That makes me Town!"

It's a gutsy move, but it's a move that I can absolutely see you making. Should I have any reason to believe otherwise?

I commented on this yesterday but this is a stretch. Mara was commenting on the possibility of firebringer and us being scum together. she was pointing out our roles and actions for that. She never once tried to claim town cred for that. You're stretching.

by the by we're town because we're town, not because we hammered.

[Drama Queens]

what did i do?

[Drama Queens]

I mean the proof is in the pudding

Day 1 and arguably day 2 mean nothing

It's day 3 and after when you start getting weird looks from me if you remain aggressively, resolutely stupid "just because"

It's a town tell early on though IMO

What if I pointed you to this?

I'll keep pushing on Mollie so my irrational stubbornness will come off looking Townish (hopefully) while simultaneously giving me a reason to avoid voting for you.

Granted this is a post in which she's claiming that she'll keeping irrationally pushing a townie so that she can avoid pushing her scum partner,but it still shows that she knows that she can irrationally push a townie and here, after scum has been lynched day one it's really really important for scum to lynch town today.

So, start reading people today? Thanks.

[Drama Queens]

I am back, my homies, exhilarated by having caught scum on D1!

I shall now read the thread and will be back later with some thoughts - hopefully.

Skull - Is this an instance of your classic scum tell?

I didn't see you comment on this at all. How is this one different from zakk's psyched comment?

So you think that is also a classic scumtell or are you just pressing on Skull's double standards?

I think if you read my post you'll know I don't think it's a scumtell.

I'm pressing on her double standards.

1) a post that is equally likely for scum and town to make is not a scum tell.

2) sometimes it's about context

3) this looks like selective scumhunting, which is objectively one of the better scumtells as i find that when someone is trying to paint one person as scum but not another they are likely to ignore the same exact tell in one person that they exploit in another.

[Drama Queens]

I refuse to go down while Firebird doesn't address Skull's exposé on Zakk. I can feel the scum gathering around my wagon.

I will claim within the next two hours if no one does. Please no one hammer because I will most shamefully flip town to our own disgrace.

Why do you want firebringer to address skull's expose?

Do you and your neighbor's talk? Do you have any type of consensus?

What do you think about heartless certainty we were scum in the neighborhood over night???

[Drama Queens]

VOTE: Zakk

Scum team is PokerFace/Zakk/Drama Queens.

Thank you and good night.

This pinged.

Now town can make this type of post too, and this is part of the reason why I want to meta skull, but I've also seen this come from scum too many times trying to boast and display fake confidence in an attempt to sound town.

I could be wrong about Zakk but I'm pretty certain I know how to read my own role pm.

THIS pinged ME

Why?

[Drama Queens]

/in before "oooooh I have a strong town read on you"

serious question is serious.

Have you been reading the game???

[Drama Queens]

Oh, and Firebird, given the fact you said the Aloha Oe is full of town and i'm there, could you like not vote me?

I'd like to lynch scum today and not get lynched.

this sounds kinda town.

[Drama Queens]

the tl;dr is the nature of their speedlynch on PF and the ability this prevented PF from using are pretty convincing townie actions.

Is it sad that I'm looking at this guy and going he's town because he's using his brain?

Or maybe because he's like one of the few people that recognizes that we're town and that's just a bad hold to get into.

[Drama Queens]

i don't really have an opinion on him

DQ could have lynched a dead weight scumbuddy for town cred SO easily though.

i mean, PF literally was being dead weight. anyone can see that

tell me more

tell me more

cuz you're so very wrong

uh huh um bop uh huh um bop uh hum uh bop yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

[Drama Queens]

Scum often push stuff that looks scummy but actually is not scummy when you actually try to determine the mindset of the people you are scum hunting.

And Town never tries to push stuff that "looks scummy" then? Only Scum do this?

Competent town look beyond superficially scummy things to things that actually look like scum. They don't superficially scumhunt. But if you'd like to sell yourself as incompetent, by all means, go ahead, I'll forgive you and give you the VI pass. It's a special pass but it means I only pat you on the head and say "you're so cute".

Because from what I'm gathering is some hearsay meta and that you're actually trying to insert hearsay meta without having anything to back it up is laughable.

It's laughable that I expect your Town game to be better than what I've seen thus far?

Er...I don't know how to answer this because I don't know what your expectation is. I think it's funny you're using hearsay meta when I absolutely know this is my town game. There are some people on this site who respect the hell out of me and some people who don't (incidentally, my own other head basically claimed tonight that she doesn't respect my town game, so who fucking knows what people think.) Regardless, you can sit back and have a mocha and I can explain my game to you, but the short of it is that basically what *my* reputation is is a town game that is thoughtful and looking at everything. Because of that mostly I get town read. My early day one play is lazy and shit. In a bunch of games, I've derailed a scum lynch by coming up with reasons for why scum is definitely town. By mid-to-end day one, I'm starting to get myself together with a feel of the game. But over days two and three, I really start to shine. I have a couple flips to work with, hopefully a scum one, and then is where I can make some progress. It's why I rarely die before night three. I do die nights one or two sometimes but that's often a function of the gamestate/who the scum are and if they thought they saw me crumb that gets me killed. By day three, I've made an impact and right around then is when I die.

Anyone ANYONE claiming that I make great impacts in games before then is fooling themselves. It's a super duper rare game that I make an impact on day one. So expecting anything of me day one is just demonstrating no meta knowledge.

BUT but, before a newbie game a few months ago, I hadn't lost a scum game in over two years over three websites. I think my scum game sucks. But, I do have my strengths. One of my strengths? Making my partners not look like my partners. So these mishaps you or anyone else is claiming is a part of my scum game is trash, because that's the absolute one thing I'm proud about my scum game. I consider myself the most expendable partner so I do my best to make my partners not look so. And when I vote/hammer my partners? I telegraph the shit out of that to make me look awesome. Which is why I in part suspect your interaction with pokerface to look like distancing.

It's not because I think you suck. It's becauae damn that's what I consider good scumplay distancing from each other. it's why I've wanted to meta you. You'll note I haven't voted you. I could make a case against you because damn do I think you're scum. But you could just be decent town who had it right on poker face and got over confident and are pushing bad cases elsewhere. I'm trying to figure this game out. If you do happen to be town, you should join me instead of doing whatever it is you are doing. (Creaiting a narrative!!!)

When I die night one, it's not usually because I was the strongest day one player but because of my reputation.

You pride yourself on your reputation as a good player, yes? Why, then, is it laughable for me to assume that you're a good player?

What reputation is that? And what reputation do you think I'm referring to?

i really want in your own words what you expect from us.

creating a narrative

Sweet buttery Jesus, you've said this phrase so many times, it's beginning to lose its meaning. I don't need to rely on fancy buzzwords to argue that someone is Scum, so why do you?

It's fine if you want to reduce it to a buzzword, but it's really obviously an aspect of your play.

I do want to meta skull before I respond to her though to see if there's actually a possibility she's just "obstinate town". I don't see it. I can't see the mental hoops you have to jump through to believe the nonsense she's saying is plausible from town, but I guess it could be.

I keep my wiki page up-to-date. Meta me to your heart's content; I have nothing to hide. Have fun, sunshine.

I like hte condescension in the sunshine. (no, i really like it.)

Well there's not much I can say about the hammer. It's not my style scum or town to do that, though I have seen mara do it before as town. Don't know about scum. I imagine shed hammer her scum partner in a way that actually gives us some town cred instead of the scum midst way possible, and I'd like to think she'd actually be in contact with me about it if we were scum.

My scum game sucks but I've never bussed a partner in a way that didn't give me maximum town cred. Maras no scrub, and if people would actually look at her reasons it would make sense.

Funny you should say that, because that's the exact point that Heartless made in the neighborhood last night: Mara would have hammered PokerFace for the Town cred that you tried to grab in 781. I think that's a very good point. Don't you?

I have no idea what this means? Are you saying that mara wouldn't hammer like this as town?

For instance: quick point, she's tying to claim that mara tried to gain town cred. Her response to klingon's list of people she was going to ISO.

What Mara said was sure two scum buddies piled on their last scum buddy to quick hammer. It makes no sense to suspect us both is what she's inferring, but skull twisted it. Besides you don't get town cred from a hammer like that.

Why do you say that a hammer like that would garner no Town cred?

On this site, people think that the person who hammers hammers because they want to be seen on a scum wagon in order to appear townish because people think that everyone is nervous nellies who need to be on the scum wagon of their partner. Therefore because that's the general impression, a hammer on scum especially when someone had asked why we hadn't really posted about it, would not generate town cred because it would look like it was forced or done in order to get town cred. But neither of us are trying to claim town cred for the hammer, but I do urge everyone to look back at the end of day and really really tell me that mara hammered for town cred.

Look at how people were starting to shift towards firebringer. (If firebringer ever flips scum with a better role than pokerface, accost us then.)
Look at how heartless was starting to falter about pokerface.

Both of these things indicate that pokerface could have been saved. We chose to hammer him instead. Why???

This isn't a scum tell at all. Why wouldn't you be psyched about a player flipping scum no matter what you tried to do with the wagon at the end of the day.

Town are just as equally likely to celebrate a scum flip as are scum trying to appear town. It's not a tell when it's equally likely for both alignments to do.

It's something that I see Scum players do all the time. That makes it a Scum tell, does it not?

Not if it's also something that you see town players doe all the time as well.

I'll tell you a little story. I have a "favorite" scum tell. It's when people ask people to ask them questions. It shows that people are asking to be engaged rather than get engaged. I've had really good luck with scum doing this, but hey town do this too.

And you know what, your "scum" tell is something that is equally done by scum and town, which makes it a null tell and makes it something you need to look at context for. Which you didn't, so is something to be ignored.
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And yet, Zakk

didn't

answer. Instead, you're answering for him.

What makes you think that he'd post a list of town players to find his partner and not put two town and one scum in here for distancing purposes?

It's odd that you would claim that all three of those are town upon his scum flip.

You want an honest answer? I was being a smartass.

I love this answer.

This is the last in thread post they made about you:

I have never been a fan of vanilla claims in any game especially one that is suppose to be a bastard game, so I am willing to hammer. What else do you guys want to talk about?

well we COULD talk about how amateurish this klingon lynch is, how many scum are in [pokerface, skull, and zakk], OR about how much of a passive-aggressive asshole i'm being right now

Which does not indicate that they were turning around their suspicion on you. Now maybe over night in your discussions they came around to thinking you were town. And maybe over night in your neighborhood they expressed suspicion on me. I can't possibly know that. So, you acting like I'm operating as if I knew they were calling you town and am still wondering about their scum read is bogus. As is part of your reason that we killed them because of suspicion on us when the in thread suspicion was rather benign.

Regardless, it would still be a conversation I would have liked to have had.

Yes, I will confess that I was probably getting Heartless' posts in this thread mixed up with their posts in the neighborhood. They all kinda mix together after a while.

Well you are free to discuss their suspicions from the neighborhood with us. I can answer any of them and if you're town there should be no reason not to.

Now town can make this type of post too, and this is part of the reason why I want to meta skull, but I've also seen this come from scum too many times trying to boast and display fake confidence in an attempt to sound town.

Please explain the process that you use to differentiate between authentic confidence and fake confidence.

Tone.

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the rest of this is not addressed to the me part of this hydra. I'll pick it up later, but I think mara did.

[Drama Queens]

First instinct to the DQ unlynchable claim is..why the hell would town have that ability? But who knows.

OMG you were my brain trust. don't fail me now.

[Drama Queens]

I was expecting him to be the professor.

[Drama Queens]

Just to give you a heads-up, DQ, if I see you use the phrase "constructing a narrative" in any of your posts again, I am going to immediately stop reading that post and move on to the next one.

well then stop constructing a narrative and start scumhunting and maybe I'll stop characterizing your post as such.

[Drama Queens]

I do agree that the repetition of narrative is needless/buzzwordy.

tell me more.

[Drama Queens]

Counter wagons, ahoy! I do endorse the Drama Queens pressure.

Tell me more about this.

[Drama Queens]

Why would Tammy-scum go after you like this?

I started attacking DQ first. They had no choice but to try to shut me up.

I posted these posts at the start of the day:

The only thing I'm bummed about with mara hammering poker face is that I wanted to talk to heartless about skullduggery, who yes skull I know they had a scum read on you, I wanted to talk to them about why.

Anyway from what I gather mara hammered pf to both end a lagging day and save firebringer who we think is town and whom momentum seemed to be shifting towards.

I'll have to look back at our conversation in night, and talk to Mara as we've been on different schedules this week.

Edit: we both think Klingon looks town from this.

Drama queen

Talk to us about skull digger

It will please me

I had her as an early town read but I need to reread through day one. My thought when I caught up in night was that she was one of the most Likely bussers on the wagon due to the interaction with poker face. The interaction looked like it could easily be distancing.

I'll ry to solidify this in the coming days. I will admit that m early town read took a hit when heartless suggested a scum read in her. We don't always agree on reads but I respect how they read people, so I'm second guessing myself there a bit and want to take a deeper look.

And then you responded with an attack on me.

You can paint it any way you like, but this is not you attakcign me and me responding, this is me expressing suspicion on you and you going full throttle at me over it.

Oh I'm sorry did you think I'd be a little flower easy to wilt at your pressure, no sorry, you're full of shit.

I think a better question is this: If I was Scum, why would I go out of my way to pick a fight with Drama Queens, of all players?

WTF?

[Drama Queens]

I want Zakk's head on a pike, but I see a wagon starting to form on Drama Queens and...and I just can't help myself.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Drama Queens

"i wanna lynch this person i know to be a townie, but here, let me vote this other townie (bc more ppl are voting them, hehehehe)"

~Words Many Scum Have Said Before (even if only in their heads)

How does that fit in your head when you realize you're voting us?

[Drama Queens]

Hmm.. Elbirn town

UNVOTE:

Why?

[Drama Queens]

Drama Queen is the least scum player here, Who the hell hammered scum again? Yeah, DQ. You are so bad Zakk.

Also really on Yukari? Why not on Klingoncelt.

This looks bad, will we get a flip before day ends?

Why are so many people on DQ? Jeez you guys are acting like bad town.

Get of Elbirn, like he said when have you heard of scum day shooters?

Pedit: I don't think sabotage works after you already fired. Especially since its a night ability right? Also Yukari could still be scum with that ability.

He and town get sooo many town points for actually having a brain.

Though - there have been quite a few mafia dayvigges.

[Drama Queens]

Moral of the story, stop wagoning and trying to vig townies

Where's your vote again?

OH RIGHT

on a townie.

[Drama Queens]

So

I'm Space dandy. I'm in the aloha oe neoghborhood with skull and bp.

Bp is some how also space dandy? We think he's the chameleolian, either way he confirmed has the same role pm as me. When we both claimed it we went at each others throats for a bit, but then he was smart and crumbled a bit of our role pm...and then I crumbed a bit more. And so on, back and forth, until it was apparent that yes we are both dandy and we have the same role card and are both therefore town.

So bp is town.

I was actually a 1 shot vig 1 shot cop. I used my cop on klingon. Klingon is innocent.

Toodles

I posted information about varsoon's last mini bastard game, and skull was also in that game, from what i've read it had fuckery. why are you both accepting said fucking. Did skull talk about last game's fuckery at all?

Why do you think BP is town with your same role?

[Drama Queens]

Oh Yukari is really probably town.

[Drama Queens]

I'mn going to pick up company. I'll pick up at the top of 43 tonight some time.

[Drama Queens]

Oversoul
Klingot

Drama queen

BP
Elbirin

Skull
Yukari
zakk
alch
xtoxm
fire


This is where everyone lies, and if anyone wants to argue the fact that two scum-partners have similar roles in the game than have at it, but we aren't getting lynched today anyway, so it'll be a waste to try and get a lynch there unless people really want to get it to be confirmed.

I am personally looking at

Zakk
Skull

and maybe alch and xtoxm because as far as the game goes, Zakk is pretty much just antagonizing everyone, and pulling some pretty hard core AtE around the fact that him being lynched is stupid. We were told by the mod that our action has gone through, and not cancelled so that isn't making much sense to me since he is scum-reading us, and is apparently able to cancel out abilities.

VOTE: zakkVOTE:

[Drama Queens]

VOTE: zakk

[Drama Queens]

VOTE: zakk

[Drama Queens]

Also, as far as I'm concerned, all this cancelling things out is disrupting town PR's making it near impossible for anyone to use their abilities as needed, making him a negative utility scum will keep around, if town.

[Drama Queens]

skullduggery played, as scum, in the last varsoon bastard mini. I'm quite shocked that she's not being a bit more skeptical about stuff in this game.

For instance because apparently people don't read, she had a role, bullshitter, which she could pick her role and that would be what she investigated as. So, she had varsoon have her investiage as a town hider. I pointed this out before, but the fact that elbirn is claiming a one-shot cop on klingon and accepting it and apparently so is she without any questions, is really concerning.

If you had been paying attention to the game, you would have noticed that I had already concluded that Klingon was Town

before

Elbirn revealed that he had a Cop innocent on her. She's Town even without that investigation result, so why should I spend time questioning it?

You were in the last Varsoon game, you know because you were scum that scum had roles that would clear them by investigation. So, yes, I wouldn't just expect you, who had the role that could be cop cleared, to just wholesale accept a cop clear.

Also, why in the heck did Elbirn investigate Klingon anyway? I'm not sure if I asked or if he answered, but Klingon looked pretty town from the pokerface incident yesterday. Apparently in the neighborhood you guys had a pow-wow which came down to me scum and zakk scum, in which you presumably looked at the behavior of the people who were on/off the wagon. Why did he investigate Klingon, who came out of it looking pretty damn town?

Why not investigate someone who looked suspicious?

Also I feel really squicky about skull demanding that firebringer claim his flavor. She's made a few suggestions as to why, but there's no reason at all why she'd investigate firebringer in any capacity. He's already indicated that he's a part of the jaicro empire, so if she was a flavor cop and it came back as someone who shouldn't be there, then firebringer would be on her scum list. He's not.

If, in the neighborhood overnight, heartless had made such an impassioned plea about our reputation and why we're scum, if she were some sort of cop why not investigate us? Or zak? It feels like she's trying to intimidate into claiming the person she feels is most likely to do so.

It's sad the main character's supposed side kick is such a bully :/

No, what's

really

sad is the fact that you're such a shitty player

that you have to resort to petty name-calling to get your point across. So, what, you're butthurt that your attempts to mislynch me are failing, so you're just going to pout and call me a bully in response?

Fuck you for this. I am not a bully. Do not call me a bully again. Now you're making things personal, and that is not a road you want to go down with me.

Your attempt to fish for my night action is noted. Your acknowledgement that I really am QT and you don't think it's just a fake-claim is also noted.

And here's the rub. You are a bully, that's not a personal attack, that's a comment on your approach to the game and how I have felt dealing with you. You are trying to railroad this game. You are not trying to figure things out. You are telling people what they are doing, when in the case of me, I know you are 100% wrong. You are misrepping stuff in order to further your agenda. You have twisted stuff and ignored stuff that should make you question that rock solid wrong scum read you have on my slot. If you don't like it, maybe you should take a step back and evaluate the way you play and if you do like the way you play, own up to it. Years ago, people called me a bully or condescending or too aggressive in games. I didn't mean to be but I thought I needed to drive the game forward and I didn't know how else to do it. I reevaluated my approach, because that was not how I wanted to come across, it wasn't my intention, and it wasn't conducive to what I think is the best way to win games as town, which is find a means of working with others and reading them in an honest way.

I'm not fishing for any night action. You are demanding that someone claim their flavor, and it doesn't make sense.

The bolded is way to prove you're not a bully. This kind of thing is uncalled for, and when it's directed against another player, I can mediate but when it's directed at me, there's nothing really I can do. This is a kind of toxic bullshit that I just refuse to deal with in games, and although I have some really big choice words for you this game is a clusterfuck enough, that me staying in this game is just going to drag it down for town. I hope you're scum. I really do because if it's your town game to call someone a shitty player while tunneling the fuck out of them as town, then yeah . But, when I flip town, I hope you look back at what I've said because it's 100% true.

We are town. We're unlynchable today and that has already been confirmed to us by the mod, which he will confirm in thread once we tell him to confirm it. You can make of that what you will. Apparently zakk doesn't affect all day actions or varsoon wouldn't have confirmed with us that our unlynchable activity was activated.

Anyway, we are 99% replacing out because I refuse to play with someone who actually thinks playing mafia is bashing someone by calling them a shitty player. It's a great scum tactic, but I refuse to turn this clusterfuck into a shitfest. I need to just make sure I'm not making a knee jerk reaction, but I'm pretty sure Mara is already on board with leaving. We'll make our last reads post and then adieu!

[Drama Queens]

Mod: We're replacing out

Tammy said what she needed to say, and if people want to test our unlynchable ability, then so be it. I came into this game as a hydra because I can't play solo, and I am not letting Tammy suffer though this crap, nor do I want to suffer through this crap.

[Drama Queens]

I don't mind the pt being public

And I,am pretty sure Tammy doesn't mind either

But I am pretty sure that I am not going to be playing with zakk or skull anytime in the near future.

I also am not overly upset over the setup, and I think the roles themselves were nice, though I don't think everyone used.their powers optimally

[Drama Queens]

Also, I completely looked over the bea claim because fire looked so much like someone who didn't know the team because he... Didn't. I also didn't think/have seen traitor used in that way before

[Drama Queens]

I completely disagree with any "lynch alls" and I feel like they will, ultimately end up with town losses more than scum losses. Moreso since, just lynching on policy reduces the amount of actual scumhunting going around, which hurts town overall